UPDATE: I've received a ton of helpful comments, so thank you all so much! It might be a while before I get back to this project, but I've already ordered a new PSU with a 25A 5v rail and will try a lot of the other ideas presented. You guys are seriously the best.
@jumpmaster5279 Жыл бұрын
Yo, jump here When i downloaded my xp copy totally legit i installed ethernet driver and then used legacy windows updater and it sorted out some of the problem Not sure what your problem is but it might worth some effort
@lexluthermiester Жыл бұрын
The problems you encountered are things many of us have been through. We remembered and feel your pain! You did very well actually!
@emilypeters8888 Жыл бұрын
yeah these are fun, that said mobo's of that era when amd was supporting both ddr and sdram depending on chip and mobo, and some mobos even taking newer chips that would forced clocked down for compatibility as you ran into as you would have needed a board with a divider for ram and other slots to keep speeds correct, to run that 2400+ with a 266mhz bus. The jumper setting would have like been 133mhz, and then doubled in the bios for the cpu, with 2x divider set for the rest of board. Also 4x agp can be very tricky as there was a higher output volt version of agp 4x for agp 4x specific cards only that could fry anything but the specified compatible 4x cards. So best bet for systems of this era is the ddr compatible Athlon socket 462 boards with 8x agp, or a P3 socket socket 370 or even p4 socket 478, 533mhz bus, lga 775 also existed for p4, but p4 on lga was kind of pointless by then. Anyhow good luck I hope you eventual get victory with this system.
@Cpt_Wolf Жыл бұрын
Few tips for you here. Old AMD cpu's like Athlon XP, need to be set up manually in bios to report correct speed. Motherboard for safety reasons, will boot only with lowest available multiplayer, granted that FSB is set up correctly. You need minimum 25-30A on 5V rail to power these older Athlon XP's. Otherwise you will get a lot of instability and blue screens. They fixed that problem with nForce 2 chipsets which supported 12V 4 pin cpu power plugs. That's why nForce 2 motherboards are so sought after, simply because you can use it with modern power supplies, and you get dual channel for ram as a bonus.
@qwertykeyboard59017 ай бұрын
Yeah, but those motherboards love to die.
@cheeseisgreat24 Жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite parts of trying to resurrect older systems, the whole learning process of things that aren’t obvious anymore and frankly weren’t even very well understood then unless you were well steeped in all of the IT garbage of the day. I have a bunch of old machines from the 80s and 90s that I’m trying to cobble together into at least one working system, and it’s harrowing at times, but when you figure it out it’s one heck of a dopamine rush 🤣
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Such a rush haha
@michaelkane6797 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes that stuff is fun... but watching you struggle through this reminds me why I still have a box of these old parts, and at the same time why that box is taped up in the basement. Unopened since our last move. 13 years ago. You're a great story teller, regardless of the topic. Thanks!
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Man that means a ton, thanks!
@BrianMaddox Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this is the crap those of us who are a bit older had to constantly deal with back "in the day." I'm so happy that it's easier to build systems these days.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Yeah, but sometimes I do feel like I missed out on a bit of a golden era. It was definitely frustrating though haha
@BrianMaddox Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven My greatest stupid Windows trick was when I added a sound card to my Windows 95 box back then. Windows popped up an error dialog box, played a ding, and the error was "Sound card not detected." I was like "Then where did that sound come from?"
@Stealth86651 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. It's such a simple and easy process nowadays. Even *if* something is a bit confusing, you've got about 30 different videos/blogs who tell you how to fix it. Just imagine if we were to switch back to not having such a vast communication and information repository that we do now, accessible at all time.
@sneakycactus8815 Жыл бұрын
@@BrianMaddox LOL. thats a fun memory
@DrDipsh1t5 ай бұрын
@@BrianMaddoxmy personal favorite was "keyboard not detected, press F1 to continue" with the old ps/2 keyboards that aren't hot swappable lol.
@s8wc3 Жыл бұрын
Your CD drive just needs a new tray belt, and maybe the laser lens cleaned. Don't turf it until you've tried that
@Alixedomn Жыл бұрын
Yeah, most likely the belt is slipping due to aging. You can try to take it out of the pulleys and dunk it in near boiling water for 5~10 min. It will shrink a bit, making it grip again (measure diameter before reassembly). If this works try getting a new belt with the same diameter or slightly smaller. Fixed a bunch of CD/DVD drives with this problem over the last 10 years.
@TheMadhatter2561 Жыл бұрын
That ECS board really can't handle the 2xxx series Athlon CPUs without the latest BIOS or a hacked BIOS. At this point I'd stick with 1xxx series Athlon XP CPUs. I also highly recommend you replace the capacitors along the VRM next to the CPU. These were notorious for leaking and failing causing random crashes or failures.
@LionWithTheLamb Жыл бұрын
Especially on a ECS board which is a "High End" PC Chips brand board.
@t94xr Жыл бұрын
ATI drivers were a f'ing nightmare, they never got better, AMD had to entirely redo the driver package with their new AMD graphics cards, but it was half the reason why NVIDIA got so large. back in the day.
@NiHaoMike648 ай бұрын
I remember when Nvidia was the one with the buggy drivers. They sure managed to turn it around with the transition to 64 bit.
@fliegevieh Жыл бұрын
I'm working/messing around with servers as a hobby. I found your videos about a home linux server and I was so amazed to see what is possible to do. Now, (about 1 year after) I'm pretty good with linux, docker and so on also probably because of you. Thank you for inspiring me! Greetings from Germany.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
That’s so awesome to hear!
@waynerowlinson6177 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the "Part 2". It was fun to watch you overcoming your struggles. Fun to watch in a 13 minute video, probably not so much fun on your end. I see there have already been lots of pretty good suggestions listed. One thing I found useful with "new" IDE devices was using 80 wire cables vs standard 40 wire. I couldn't tell watching if that is what you had or not. Better signal, less of a chance of error. One thing I remember doing often "back in those days" was creating an image of the HDD as soon as I got everything up and running properly. I used a program called PQDI. I built a lot of systems for others and had 5 desktops in the house and kids that used and abused their systems. Was nice to pop in a CD and restore back to a good, working image without having to reinstall all of the drivers. There was a time in our house when all 5 of our desktops were Athlon XP's. I think the slowest was an 1800+ and the fastest was a 3200+. Slowest GPU I recall using in them was an NVidia MX-440 and the best was a Radeon 9800 XT. Still have the MX-440 and a 9800 Pro in the house. I have one in a Windows 98 P4 system and the other in my XP P4 system. Funny thing is I never ran anything Intel during this period, but have given away all my XP stuff and have to "suffer" with P4's 🙂 Thanks again for the video.
@edlippjr Жыл бұрын
god I loved Unreal tournament. Had a few of these nearly identical AMD boxes setup back in the day and did some LAN gaming w friends. The low gravity level was my favorite. Just jump around and fire rockets all over the place where people usually pop up and rack up the kills lol
@DarkDragonEWA Жыл бұрын
Videos like this make me glad I built my old hardware collection back when people were literally throwing stuff like this out.
@maladamedialabs4214 Жыл бұрын
Those old junkers can be a lot of fun... if you like spending money and banging your head against the desk. I started messing with computers in the age of drive jumpers and CPU jumpers so I had a little chuckle about that. My advice is to always look for the Fine Manual so you know more about the beast you're about to operate on. Keep up the good work!
@JonathanTalksHW Жыл бұрын
Wow. I really don't understand the whole nostalgia stuff cuz I'm not born before these older software came out. But still learning the old computer stuff on your channel tho when you release those vids. Also nice video and keep up the great work.
@fabricius2642 Жыл бұрын
I love this type of content. I was messing around with my family's pc for a while. It was an old Gateway with a Pentium III and I remember experiencing some of the pain you had with your project but also learning a lot. Always tried to find something useful to do with those old things so I installed antiX linux, so they had a modern operating system for whatever I wanted to do with them. Great video, as always
@fridaycaliforniaa23611 ай бұрын
I didn't know the Everyday Astronaut was in computer restorations 🤣
@26DR71510 ай бұрын
I can not believe that you never have seen or played with old tech, these were around when I was in my teens and now I'm 60, I still use a couple of old systems for radio work and retro gaming
@drakkon_sol Жыл бұрын
SPACECADET! I make sure to have a copy on every windows PC I own, in every version of windonts. Ahhh this was like watching my late teens and early 20's all over again, but through someone elses eyes. 😅 This was a lot of the gear I started really messing around with, since I could finally afford to get my own, and I still have some of it. That first PC I ever bought is an XP system and it still works perfectly. While I don't really have a use for that PC other than nostalgia, I wonder what you would do with the system from this era, since I think they're too low-tier for NAS/HomeServer stuff. BTW, Great work with your channel. I love watching your videos.
@WaynePittenger Жыл бұрын
The 3D Pinball at the end hit right in the nostalgia
@fridaycaliforniaa23611 ай бұрын
I have some bad memories from my Windows 95/98 youth, when all we had to tune PCs were jumpers and fuckin Molex/IDE cables 😂
@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын
5:19 I can hear echoes of @philscomputerlab saying 'If there is a bios, we will flash it'
@blankcanvasbrewery3264Ай бұрын
That is hilarious! I am lucky enough to have built 98 era Pc's so I remember having to set Master and slave jumpers for configuring machines to run properly and take it for granted. What a headache. Glad it turned out in the end
@alphabusinesscommunicatiio373315 сағат бұрын
Fun Video for me as I have been fixing systems since the 80s before windows. and your learning path was very similar to many of my experiences less the internet. when I started we were lucky if the manufacturer had a (modem) bulletin board.
@Yuriel1981 Жыл бұрын
Your frustration is absolutely warranted. I remember having issues even back in the day with many drivers in win2000. Not to mention navigating those old BIOSes was a nightmare. Especially being a noob back then. Great work btw. Also I'm spamming Jeff Geerlings comments to get him in touch with you for that Kubernetes Ansible video..... lol.
@samandsanvideos Жыл бұрын
Great Work!!
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@JosephFrietze Жыл бұрын
"At least I Learned Something.... I guess." should be a t-shirt.
@JaikrishnaAdithya Жыл бұрын
Actually I wasn't expecting a follow up video soon lol
@Tech101yt Жыл бұрын
For the first half of the video i was screaming "FRONT SIDE BUS!!!!" lol
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
I know 😂😂😂
@laurencejohnson4106 Жыл бұрын
A fun project and you are not the first person who forgot to set the jumpers correctly! It may be that graphics card which is causing the problems, I have a stack of old parts from the Windows 98 era through to the Windows XP era, but I live in the UK., and international postage is very expensive.
@postnick Жыл бұрын
I love watching you learn stuff. I feel like i'm not that much older than you but i remmeber the S/M and jumpers on IDE so much.
@LionWithTheLamb Жыл бұрын
While most of the Athlon XP 2600+ Were 333Mhz bus, there are also 2600+ that are 266Mhz bus. If you have a square CPU die it's a 266 based "Thoroughbred" die and is 2.133Ghz, while if your CPU die is a rectangular die then it's a 333 based "Barton" die and is 1.917Ghz. The Barton has more cache (512KB vs 256KB) and a faster front side bus (266Mhz vs 333Mhz) speed than the Thoroughbred dies. 2600+ Bartons run at 1.917Ghz, while 2600+ Thoroughbred run at 2.133Ghz. As for the exposed cpu die there were shims that were inexpensive that kept that from happening. I've seen quite a few systems that had cracked dies because people didn't know about the shims.
@davidg5898 Жыл бұрын
Great job getting the system up and running. Despite all of the frustration, you obviously had some fun. I highly recommend avoiding WinFlash and instead using the DOS utility in the future. I've seen multiple systems bricked due to a WinFlash lockup and there's no dual-BIOS or BIOS Flashback to save you if that happens.
@Rhysco80 Жыл бұрын
People building PC's today have it so easy compared to years ago!
@patrikmckane4903 Жыл бұрын
On athlon XP you need to set the correct fsb and multiplier in bios according of the spec of the CPU. Granted not all motherboard supported the laser athlon XP 2600+ and up CPU. BTW the plus sign or the whole name was unoficialy this. Athlon XP 2600+ (running on 2.133ghz) shold perform same as a Pentium 4 clocking on 2,6 GHz.
@LionWithTheLamb Жыл бұрын
That board likely doesn't have BIOS settings for the CPU FSB. It's a ECS board and is likely a VIA-KT266 or KT266A Chipset. If he had a VIA KT-333/400/600 or Nvidia NForce 2 Board then yes.
@NSHG7 ай бұрын
@@LionWithTheLambNot even 266. KT133A with SDRAM. ECS K7VZA rev 3.0 is the model.
@pablosantiago571110 ай бұрын
apreciate the 100% honest stance regardless of what others might think
@wagnonforcolorado Жыл бұрын
I cut my teeth on these systems. The Athlon was the first AMD CPU to really bury the Intel chips in performance. Three thoughts from my foggy recollection: As mentioned in at least one other comment on this video - chipset drivers. Secondly, in the bios, check for AGP speed. It may be set wrong. It is possible that there is an AGP 33 vs 66mhz? Finally, look around for an old IDE drive. The IDE to SATA piece may be problematic. Good luck getting it going!
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the IDE thing as well, but I was having similar issues in 2000 with the IDE drive
@wagnonforcolorado Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven try using a different IDE cable, and use the 2nd IDE connector on the MoBo. If you have already tried these suggestion...you are one step ahead.
@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын
Retro Hardware Haven
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Not for long. This wore me out haha
@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven Lmao, you can ask questions. I dabble in retro myself. I also know retro youtubers that probably would be happy to collab too.
@kanaest7126 Жыл бұрын
@@MarcoGPUtuber I like retrohardware too, i also have the knowledge, got that from fixing stuff like this. Would also like to collab someday, with somebody.
@BenReese Жыл бұрын
Dude.... I didn't feel old until I watched this video 🤣 I've still got a drawer full of IDE hard drives, DVD drives, and probably a floppy drive. My PS2 wireless keyboard and mouse are still in use along with my PS2/VGA KVM switch. Makes me wonder if my P3 800MHz hanging on my wall would still boot 🤔 Kudos on keeping on and not giving up!! Also, while you can't use SMB to share files, you might get FTP or Webdav to work in IE.
@soldiersvejk2053 Жыл бұрын
Ah, it has been exactly 20 years today since I got my first PC. It was an Athlon XP. How time flies!
@thyphon10 ай бұрын
Oh, boy. Mine was a Pentium MMX DX 66MHz. I still have It, but it is quite dead due to CPU PIN oxidation.
@DuneRunnerEnterprises Жыл бұрын
Oh,joys,that awaits me,in my way!!! I've just got a socket 462 motherboard. So much things i've forgot.?....
@edlippjr Жыл бұрын
installing XP and dealing with all the drivers was a PITA. God bless Windows 7/8/10/11 and their ability to do so much of the driver installation lol
@MarcosCodas Жыл бұрын
"If you haven't seen the first video, check it out here" Yep, OK, I'll do that. Gimme 15min, I'll be right back.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Whoops. I need to add in the card and link. My bad
@MarcosCodas Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven I actually found it in the recommended section and just finished watching it. So I'm back here for P2!
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@ToniHiltunen1980 Жыл бұрын
That random crashing could be issues in RAM, you should run memtest with those memory sticks and also check the RAM speed is compatible with CPU FSB. I am a retro PC collector, i have many Athlon/AthlonXP systems and i have learned that nforce chipsets vs VIA...nforce is my opinion most stable chipset for ATi cards, there was some issues in the past with earlier VIA chipsets(133, 133A and 266/333 chipset) with AGP controlling with drivers etc, so i needed to use lower AGP speed(4x, not 8x) also disable fast write.
@grimreaperplayz5774 Жыл бұрын
I'm the other way. Always AMD graphics. Superior stability when you tune it correctly. Just more work. This is why there is aftermarket driver utilities.
@Le_Grand_Rigatoni Жыл бұрын
You could have just re-lubricated the fan instead of buying a new one. There is usually an opening to the bearing under the label. 7:13 That's probably because of the belt inside that degraded and got loose over time, maybe cleaning it would help. Also, burned discs are harder to read than retail (pressed) discs, so if the lens was dirty, that could have caused the read errors. Last thing, updating the chipset drivers can be quite important on these old machines, especially for AGP. If you don't want to figure out what chipset you have/track down the proper driver, you can use a program called Snappy Driver Installer Origin, which basically does all the work for you.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Super helpful
@John-jc3ty11 ай бұрын
the USB disconection thing might be bad caps at the motherboard. the pentium 4 era had a ton of these issues with the USBs. i went over 3 motherboards with bad usbs
@kaboommusicmixer8149 Жыл бұрын
The CD drive has the same issue as OG Xbox, you can pull out the rubber band and wipe it down, reinstall it then it’ll work.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
I was hesitant to try and do any cleaning/fixing since that was my only cd drive, but I might take a look later on
@kaboommusicmixer8149 Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven Sometimes the band inside of it can be access through the tray, should be near the front on the left.
@pinateszek6975 Жыл бұрын
Always makes my day watching a video of you. Keep up the great work
@pieteryts Жыл бұрын
an advice for going retro hardware is to have a lot of stock replacement parts. starting from processors, ram, mainboard, BIOS, VGA, IDE/SATA card, USB card, NIC (if need networks), ISO (using emulator), all the way to spare cables like SATA/IDE and jumpers (for the dreaded MA/SL/CS to multiplier/FSB selection on the mainboard). software wise also. that's why I used to keep installer when using my old PC. because not all the software can be found on the internet. well unless we go to very unlegit software sites and download from them. keep your soldering iron near also to replace bad caps or components. 20+ years of use and storage made them bad. cause multiple issue from random crash to unable to start. oh and also a huge amount of patience and research. lol. PS: try replacing the IDE cable using 80 pin one. secondly, look carefully on the mainboard for bad solder joint, or obvious damage on the PCB trace. if its bad, you can save troubleshooting time by replacing the bad board with another one. or fix it manually if you up for the challenge. lol
@ThePuuFa Жыл бұрын
I’d bet your problems are caused by either the new PSU or dried up capacitors on the motherboard. Some caps could be failing without showing any visual signs, especially Teapo and OST branded ones often do that. If I see these brand of caps on a motherboard or GPU I usually recap them just in case. For a PC this old I’d always use a period correct PSU of decent quality (and preferably recapped) because I’ve seen the newer ones cause really weird issues for no obvious reason, pretty much like what you’ve encountered here. Hope you’ll have fun with it! I sure did when I built my first PC back in 2001 and I still have it btw :) Oh, a word of advice; if you want the best performance out of your rig you should research what driver versions give you the best performance and stability. The latest drivers are definitely not the greatest. That goes for both the GPU and motherboard drivers. With the right (older) version you can sometimes get a noticeable performance boost with less issues. That’s because the technology back then was developing very fast and the later drivers were designed for the newer chips that were significantly different. You should also spend some time learning and tweaking the various BIOS settings because the defaults were never optimal. A huge performance boost can be gained here. This hobby can be a real rabbit hole but I think it’s much more fun and rewarding than the modern hardware today :)
@ThePuuFa Жыл бұрын
You could also fix the CD drive by changing the rubber belt that operates the open/close mechanism. They all stretch over time and it's an easy fix. Some lubrication might help too. I believe you can probably buy new belts from ebay but I myself scavenged a bunch of them from dead drives back in the day so I still have some spares. I wouldn't bother with the SATA converters because that's another potential source of weird issues. It's usually not worth the trouble IMHO and it's kinda nice to keep them period correct👍
@explorer9049 Жыл бұрын
Those errors he got when trying to install unreal is similiar when i had faulty or unstable ram and eventually got the PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA BSOD stop code. It could be bad ram or faulty capacitors that affect the northbridge where the memory controller is hit by power ripple or spikes. Either ladder since this hardware is from the capcitor plague era.
@qwertykeyboard59017 ай бұрын
AGP cards also love dying from bad capacitors, flip chip plague, or both.
@Neptune7309 ай бұрын
If I'd known you were making this video I could have given you most of that stuff you bought. I have a bunch of that old stuff still. I even still have a working 486 MB(or at least I think it is a 486) to run DOS on. It was used for an old piece of surveillance system I have.
@0xC4aE1e5 Жыл бұрын
My PC actually has half the VRAM (at least, the GPU only). It has 64 but likely extends to more because it's shared. Also, BIOS can't properly detect CPU speed.
@mOddEdLiKeHeLL Жыл бұрын
Socket 462 is my favorite socket. Everything from the first few years of motherboard requiring strong 5v rails for the CPU, and the last years motherboards coming with a dedicated 12v cpu pinout, to the change from SDRAM to DDR in that same era. That era supported win9X, 2K, XP, VISTA/SEVEN even though it was running out of steam by SEVEN. 😂
@mOddEdLiKeHeLL Жыл бұрын
The first SATA controllers were so finicky. You needed drivers to be loaded up from a floppy during the beginning of the XP install or switching to "IDE mode" for SATA controller in the bios.
@mOddEdLiKeHeLL Жыл бұрын
FSB overclocking was the real deal stuff back then.
@jurpo611 ай бұрын
When I built my first amd 2100+ system back in the early 2000's, I put way too much conductive thermal paste on the CPU and I couldn't figure out why it wouldn't work. All my friends made fun of me but some older pretentious kid fixed it and I always regret failing on my own.
@JMassengill Жыл бұрын
New systems are so much more forgiving. 486 systems had so many jumpers on the motherboard. I just installed win 2003 and found a usb drive to be a saving grace for getting drivers on the system. Back in the day I loved 2000 and hated XP.
@_Hasboa_11 ай бұрын
Btw i had a similar ECS board and it was a pain in the ass to find drivers for it Great video as always!
@Cobaltios Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, good ole' IDE jumpers...
@2handsome39810 ай бұрын
Watching you bang your head against a brick wall is exactly why ive never bothered to do a resurrection build. All the old obsolete IO, expensive parts, manual jumpers, jank ass drivers and picky OS installers give me a headache just thinking about it. Combine that with the fact that its only real purpose in a home setting is retro gaming and for me doing one of these just isnt worth it. I'll stick to VMs and emulators, at least that is just software.
@leo_craft129 күн бұрын
Getting old windows to do anything other than throwing incorrect command line arguments is a pain in the (ehm)
@gyulamasa651211 ай бұрын
Maybe, the instability issues are comming from the dried out electrolitic capacitors on the motherboard! This PC is coming from about that era when it was a huge problem... Try to replace the cap, it will cost you like less than 20 USD, even if you buy higher temp rated ones.
@Davide0033 Жыл бұрын
oh, thanks for remembering me about my athlon xp computer. it has some old nvidia agp card (i think it's a geforce mx4000 whit 128mb of vram and a dvi slot) that i payed 7€ in 2021, an athlon xp 2600+ (which i wanted to upgrade to a 3800+, but it's not supported by the mobo, it can't even clock that cpu higher than 1.1Ghz) and 3gb of ddr memory (the maximum supported by the mobo) i still have the 3800+ and the radeon 7000 that was in the pc
@vikingwithwings Жыл бұрын
So A follow up video trying Linux instead? I love this "useless tinkering". Really fun to do and watch. Great job and love your honesty in your videos. Cheers.
@themistoclesnelson2163 Жыл бұрын
You've made when your sponsored by Squarespace!
@Max_Mustermann Жыл бұрын
6:20 - you could maybe try to create a shared folder on the Windows 2000 machine and enable backwards compatibility for earlier versions of SMB on your Windows 10 PC. Then you could just transfer files into that share from Windows 10.
@comedyflu Жыл бұрын
Old PC building be hard...
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Facts
@plainsabertooth7828 Жыл бұрын
You know they do sell usb to ps2 adapter.
@AlejandroRodolfoMendez Жыл бұрын
Seeing this I realized that I have the same pc. Probably also with the same fsb issue. Maybe the agp card is not the correct one because of the bus speed. Also try changing the ide cable, sometimes those make weird errors when are in the breaking point.
@matthewhoare1614 Жыл бұрын
Get a psu with at least 25 amp, preferably 30 amp on the 5v rail. 20 amp is not enough for an athlon xp
@sagejpc1175 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video!
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@robmorgan83925 ай бұрын
sometimes its fun to mess around with old computers.. im a ham guy and i do radio programming mainly for myself but others too, i was surprised how a 600mhz cpu and only 512mb of ram ran win 7 32bit.. it was slow to load up but when it did tell you what for me it was worth the pain.. as for drivers i have a 13gb iso driver pack that has helped me with alot of driver problems ive ran into.. i almost had 500hmz cpu run win 7 but it was a shity laptop that people did god knows what to it.. im still shocked how win 7 is stable on older computers that wasnt made for that.. i also installed win 11 on my older laptops and they run strong and as long as i dont do much too fast it runs pretty decently.. i sometimes get computers people ask me if i want them and i do take them and if you wanna have a decent challenge install win 7 32bit on these older computers..
@dab42bridges80 Жыл бұрын
Next time, try istalling all your software via floppy disks :-)
@indimopi Жыл бұрын
Because of the randomness of the errors, i suspect the fault to be with the hard drive (you can test with CrystalDiskInfo) or the ram (you can test with MemTest86).
@user-jg1gk5pt5z Жыл бұрын
"2 decades AMD system" looks very unusual for someone born in the 2000s...
@Nuka_Gaming Жыл бұрын
The last couple of weeks has been me messing around with a Pentium 4 computer from 2001, finding the drivers was the worst part, but luckily I seem to have gotten it going. I found an original Baldurs Gate 1 copy and I've been playing it on that computer. About 2 weeks ago while at work I stumbled upon possibly one of the craziest finds I could have. A fully complete gateway 98 essential setup with everything included and on top of that it was barely used and just as clean as my main pc
@Asgard-vdS Жыл бұрын
windows 2000 should also be able to mount totally legal iso files
@ljrretropcs Жыл бұрын
Your PSU doesn't have enough amps on the 5V rail. This is the problem. You are welcome ;) Try to find one with 25A or more. AthlonXP systems are notorious in retro computing for being power hungry and they pre date having the extra 12v supply onto the motherboard.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I really would've assumed 100W on the rail was enough considering the 2600+ is listed as only like a 70W cpu. I guess if the 5v rail is being heavily utilized by the mobo or other devices that might make sense though... thanks!
@ljrretropcs Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven the GPU is also pulling from the 5v and you might find the HDD and ofc usb are pulling from there too. Some HDD from back then used 12v only to spin up. There is a good video on the subject by philscomputerlab who did a lot of testing with different athlonXP CPUs and GPUs to test the draw on 5v.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Any recommendations on available PSUs?
@ljrretropcs Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven Many of us have good luck with corsair PSUs from not so long back. Almost all of them have 25A on the 5v rail and Phil tested them to be capable of going even higher than corsair specced them for.
@GhostieXV Жыл бұрын
Yes those Athlon XP's hating a lot of power supplies and were very picky back in the day. I had a Athlon XP 1800 and an Athlon XP 3200+ both required 25A to run smoothly and god help you if you overclocked.
@Mini-z1994 Жыл бұрын
Worst case scenario is getting a motherboard with an eps 4pin for cpu power which later socket 462/socket A boards utilized instead for power, usually nforce chipset ones, which instead has a habit of dying similar too the early generations of the xbox 360 unfortunately. Otherwise I'd perhaps move too a set of later hardware for just the windows xp experience with less of a hassle with hardware even if compatibility might suffer a bit with earlier games. Like socket 775 with a core 2 duo, ddr2 ram with a pci-e slot motherboard opens up a lot of possibilities. Like a nvidia 8500 gt or similar for a gpu with under 1 gb vram or maybe as late as a ati hd 5770 1 gb which does have windows xp drivers still. Or socket am2, am2+ or AM3, AM3+ platforms should all have windows xp support. Some games ofc like Need For Speed Porsche 2000/Unleashed has issues with both too much vram. (With a modern patch too get around the too fast cpu issues which is past 2.1 ghz i believe it normally starts having issues.) Like some things rendered in are despite being changed in the settings forced too be at minimum settings at all times in game which can kind of ruin the look of the game having very low poly models but decent textures & a quite short view distance. I get graphical glitches on my gtx 1660 super here in porsche 2000/unleashed which has 6 gb vram, like things aren't simply rendered in at all anymore after a few races & turns sections of the tracks & cars blank white, i still need too sort that out here i just haven't really played it much but kept it installed anyway.) Btw the vogons forum has a thread called " List of Socket 462 motherboards with 12V 4pin power connector " If you want too keep at it with specifically this era of hardware still. Also once you have a clean windows install, clone the entire harddrive & make it a disc image you can just write over too the harddrive with some program that can write it too that drive again. I'd also get a soundblaser zs soundcard for that eax sound emulation, which is kind of emulated virtual surround & other effects like reverb in vents in half-life for example which was removed due too technical issues & lack of software emulation for it.
@perolagamer3653 Жыл бұрын
Tip: leve a cd inside the cd drive and it will open every time
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately that didn’t work, but thanks!
@questionablecommands9423 Жыл бұрын
Radeon cards from this era are known for their terrible, buggy, crash-prone drivers. The AMD buyout fixed a lot of issues, but it took 5 years past the acquisition to see any meaningful improvement and even then things were still quite buggy when compared to nvidia. I Highly, highly, highly recommend you pick up an nvidia card.
@Eterna1Link10 ай бұрын
I have that exact gpu, and it led to a lot of issues on my end as well, i would definitely try a different gpu
@grimreaperplayz5774 Жыл бұрын
This is like a comedy, loved it! Do yourself a BIG favour, get the following Daemon Tools HP usb tools You just have to use that specific tool to boot from usb. It formats the USB drive as a hdd with mbr. And force compatibility on hardware when you are using cards. Ps2 is for old slow cpus. It is a interrupt. Get Ps2 to usb adapters.
@unperrier5998 Жыл бұрын
The RAM is probably too old. Try to reduce the FSB to 100 MHz (that will also reduce the CPU speed, sure). Or the AGP bus goes too fast for the card: try to lower the frequency in the BIOS. Either of those should make it more stable.
@JaikrishnaAdithya Жыл бұрын
Hey also when are you releasing your remaining soundtracks (like 'if you want to')? Because you are really good at music :)
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Sometime. Lol In all seriousness, I might try to get to that over the next few weeks or so
@NOATHEBOA92 Жыл бұрын
Damn, it's been so long since I watched a Hardware Haven video. 89k subs 👀
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Welcome back! And yeah, it’s been wild 😳
@NoNamenoonehere Жыл бұрын
need to revisit this machine,BUT this time,,,do server stuff instead :D
@acid3129 Жыл бұрын
Do what I did when I wanted to play my retro collection install windows 7 it is alot easier to deal with and I stall but its old enougth it had support for win 95 98 xp software and hardware it's a good middle ground abmore modern easy to use interface and user experience but the benefit of decent backwards compatability
@LeoLijo Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@anothersiguy Жыл бұрын
I also spent way too much time playing pinball in XP lol. My only thought is maybe that hardware is a little old for XP. If I recall correctly my first XP rigs were on Socket 478 and the AMD equivalents were on 754 or 939. Might still work but have better driver support on 95/98.
@AliceC993 Жыл бұрын
Windows XP support for Socket A is about as good as one could ask for; drivers are almost always written for WinXP for this type of hardware and was typically kept updated longer than for earlier operating systems. Performance shouldn't be a concern on a system like this either as WinXP was meant for hardware of this caliber. Technically speaking, the Athlon XP predates WinXP by a few months, but it's more apt for the task than most Pentium III chips or original Athlons, and neither of those struggle with XP in my experience, no pun intended.
@JaikrishnaAdithya Жыл бұрын
Hardware Haven is now Retro Haven lol
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Nope.. definitely nope 😂
@chrisbamford19798 ай бұрын
I had a 486 sx25 with 4 mb of ram in 1995 with a 200mb hdd you don't no nightmare imagine running windows 95 on that n when I wanted to play doom I had to shift key at the boot up so it would bare boot 😳🤣🤣
@theanglerfish Жыл бұрын
try newer motherboard and psu (not enough power 30 A 5V) + some set ups in bios it should work
@jumpmaster5279 Жыл бұрын
Yo, jump here When i downloaded my xp copy totally legit i installed ethernet driver and then used legacy windows updater and it sorted out some of the problem Not sure what your problem is but it might worth some effort
@firenado4295 Жыл бұрын
god it was painful to see you buy the old keyboard, mouse and gpu . you can get that crap for free if you look in the right places or at least maybe a couple bucks. I hate how people put that junk on ebay at 50 bucks and call it "vintage retro", no its junk found in the spare room unless its something iconic like the model m keyboard or a 3dfx vodoo gpu. also its kinda funny seeing you revive a system like this since my father has a Pentium 3 pc he's been using as a voip server for the last 20 years almost. its still on 24/7 and has been for most of its life and has the original hdd in it. Also the cpu fan is still good lol.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
It was for sure Junk, but I honestly struggled to find anything like that locally when I needed it. I feel like Hat I’ve been looking two weeks before they would’ve been 20 listings worth of mice and keyboard like that. Haha
@firenado4295 Жыл бұрын
@@HardwareHaven yeah isn't it always the way nothing when you need it but before and after the fact you would have been swamped with stuff lol. also I just thought, you could have just gotten a usb to ps/2 adapter. those are like 2 bucks and I think even modern usb keyboards work with them. Oh well hindsight is always 2020.
@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын
6:33 The ASUSTOR has SMB1. Needs to be manually changed.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
I figured, I just stopped caring enough to worry about it haha
@keepitshort420811 ай бұрын
What works on an old laptop with these specs ? System Type X86-based PC Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T6400 @ 2.00GHZ, 2000 Mhz, 2 Core(s) Would appreciate thr help 🙌🏼
@clark85 Жыл бұрын
I miss setting the FSB
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
It does feel more fun to move jumpers around haha
@matthewday7565 Жыл бұрын
VIA chipset... did you try the appropriate Hyperion / 4 in 1 drivers? The "retro chipset" VIA 4 in 1 version 4.43 may be best... the final Hyperion 5.24A still supports the older chipsets, but is not optimized for them Also, memories of Master / Slave / CS - and in CS, a 40 wire CS cable has a cut CS between the two connectors, making the first one master and the second one slave, while an 80 wire reverses that order to avoid leaving a tail when only one drive is used. I remember as I had my system set up to use CS, so that I could swap a drive and just set it to CS whatever it was replacing
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Hmmm no, I may look into that if I ever come back to it haha
@simonsonjh Жыл бұрын
I admire your persistence for such a frustrating, and useless, project. I worked at Microsoft when such machines were common. I never had so much trouble as you, but have seen many of the same errors. I went to Linux not long after.
@whitebeartigtig Жыл бұрын
Just so you know, Windows 2000 supports NTFS.
@HardwareHaven Жыл бұрын
Yeah I figured that out after filming haha.. 🤦🏻♂️
@Hadisabetghadam Жыл бұрын
Do you have the link to WinFlash? My motherboard is p4vmm2 but the BIOS is old How do I update it? P4vmm2 Is AmiBios
@MarcoGPUtuber Жыл бұрын
Is the Squarespace website compatible with Internet Explorer 6?