⚠️ Acid wheel cleaner shootout - Detail Bug Black Widow vs KKD Devils Juice

🧪⚠️ Acidic wheel cleaners are something everyone needs in their arsenal, but some of you may only have to use them regularly. Here I'm testing one the UK industries most recommended - KKD Devils Juice V2, and I'm pitting it against Detail Bug Black Widow. Both at 1:4
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[@KarlHampson-TCB]

Great video. Definitely one thing I need to get in my arsenal is a acidic wheel cleaner. Will take a look at detail bug. Thanks

[@SuperchargedLlama]

I feel like, with detail Bug, you can get a lot of things that's needed in the arsenal, you know? Apparently their tar and glue remove is banging, I think I grabbed some of that too. I know I've got mantis, the alkaline wheel cleaner, and I think I've got some.of their shampoo.... can't remember what else I grabbed though 😅

[@PaulDoldenDetails]

Need to dive into Detail bug Adrian good comparison 💪🏻

[@SuperchargedLlama]

Thank you darling, it was the same for me - everyone always speaks positively about the products, Waxstock was too easy an opportunity to let it pass.

[@itsallinthedetailing2784]

Another great comparison video bud, really impressed with that detail bug wheel cleaner, and I never picked any up at waxstock so I’m gutted… but I’m a massive Devils juice fan

[@SuperchargedLlama]

I've got mantis too, the alkaline one? I'm going to give that a go soon, partly because I want to include it in a tyre cleaning test.

[@itsallinthedetailing2784]

@@SuperchargedLlama sounds good, I washed the works van with their products last Friday and really enjoyed using them, and they all work well and for the price you can’t knock it

[@SuperchargedLlama]

@@itsallinthedetailing2784 that's absolutely right, the performance puts other brands to shame, and then you factor in the price!

[@markmoore6264]

Great test as always, I've been tempted by the KKD but my wheels never get into a bad state so the HDD wheel shampoo does me for now.

[@SuperchargedLlama]

Thank you my good man. I think your situation is the same for many people who look after their cars, I never found a need for it until I started doing this commercially.

[@WEZ4136]

Excellent comparison, side by side I couldn’t see a difference other than the drying time or appearance of drying on the right side, like many of us I’d have assumed the dry would have slightly better or slightly worse compared to the pre-rinse test but, I was surprised to see no noticeable difference in the tests.

[@SuperchargedLlama]

As was I! I actually did this because Auto-wheel and Malco Brake Off suggest a dry application. I found that works well with Brake Off, but Auto-wheel gets cleaner on a pre-rinsed wheel in my experience. I'm glad you found it as enlightening as me 👍

[@WEZ4136]

@@SuperchargedLlama everyday is a school day buddy no matter how old we get 😂

[@paulquickmire4140]

Great video Adrian. Don't have any acid based wheel cleaner as my wheels are brand new. However I am very wary about using acid wheel cleaners just because of MY lack of knowledge, good to have people like yourself explaining things to us weekend warriors/beginners 👍👍

[@SuperchargedLlama]

You're welcome! I didn't mention it in this video but I always wear a respirator and either safety glasses or face shield when applying wheel cleaners, especially acidic ones.

[@sheepstardetail]

@@SuperchargedLlama this! They are not something you want to inhale!

[@AutoCareHQ]

Great comparison, good to see that both products are really effective. I've got KKD Devils Juice but only really use it when I absolutely have to to be honest. I usually reach for IW Incinerate when I'm really struggling with stubborn brake dust but sometimes I have to step it up to KKD if it's a really bad wheel

[@SuperchargedLlama]

That's the same for me. I used to reach for Malco Brake Off, but when I came across a set of wheels that even that it couldn't clean, I reached for this. I've found I've developed a good eye for when acid will be needed now... And it's often these when designs that have a gully behind the spokes!

[@sheepstardetail]

Great video! Acidic wheel cleaners are a must have for anyone detailing neglected cars. I usually follow up with an alkaline degreaser to neutralize any remaining acid and add a grease cutting component to the clean. I would check out 3D nano pain wheel cleaner and Meguairs wheel brightener as well. Not sure how much those are in comparison in the UK, but they can be diluted down to 10 (Meguairs) and 12 (3D) :1 for even more economical cleaning.

[@SuperchargedLlama]

I was talking to a chemist the other day (different field btw) and he said, given the volume of acidic in these products and how much water is used when rinsing, there's no need to neutralise them after the rinsing off. The degreasing element is more relevant I'd say, I've not tested this yet but I wonder if Garage Therapy wheel shampoo is a pre-wash foam is sufficient for this in most cases?

[@sheepstardetail]

@@SuperchargedLlama I don’t have access to garage therapy so couldn’t tell you. I never though that the acid levels wouldn’t “properly” rinse off, it was more of a “what if *I* don’t properly rinse it off. I would do it regardless for tire cleaning and any grease that may be present on the wheel, though.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

So, lets say you're a bit of a clot and repeatedly curb every alloy wheel, repeatedly, could highly alkaline or highly acidic wheel cleaners do any damage?

[@SuperchargedLlama]

Yes, because they could get under the paint and react with the metal. But I'd say this could happen with any wheel cleaner, because none of them are pH neutral and any good. Fallout remover might be the safest option in this scenario. You'd likely be okay doing it once or twice, but frequent use would very likely cause you issues. To mitigate this you could spray within the barrels and then use a chemical resistant brush with the cleaner sprayed in to it to apply the cleaner locally to the spokes.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

@@SuperchargedLlama good advice, thanks. I shall tell the person who's crap at parking..... and definitely isn't me.

[@SuperchargedLlama]

@@pigeonpoo1823 beat them mercilessly.

[@decker0373]

Sounds like my wheels, they were damaged when I bought the car but I have inflicted more 😢

[@peterplumsklo5365]

Just one thing to make sure: Some acidic wheel cleaners contain Hydrofluoric Acid and or its derivatives. That is so nasty that tin my eyes its not worth it to risk your health for using those products. Always read the SDS and do your proper research on PPE or in case of those HF containg wheel cleaners, really no-one should honestly use them.

[@SuperchargedLlama]

A good point to make. I wear a face shield and respirator when applying any wheel cleaner these days, and the respirator stays on for nearly all atomised products (you can see it at about 3:48 in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3PJknyrob-gZ9U)

[@peterplumsklo5365]

Yes, that is an awesome start. One thing that boggles me - in a lab setting with trained chemists Hydrofluoric acid is basically a banned substance, its only really used in very controlled environments and needs special training (for otherwise already fully trained chemists) Yet in the detailing industry this stuff is simply old OTC like its nothing. One thing you might consider useful, we are required to have this in the lab for any work with HF based stuff is Calciumgluconate gel. As soon as even the slightest bit of HF touch you, you should apply that immediately and then go to the next ER@@SuperchargedLlama

[@Admin-ie9hp]

Good video 👍🏻. Would I be able to use either one of these products on the paint if I have hard water stains when it's properly diluted?

[@SuperchargedLlama]

It's funny you ask this because I was wondering that myself, having just run out of Garage Therapy WSR (and waiting until they release the 5L version). I suspect you can, but I've not tried it. I was going to start super safe at 1:20 or something like that, and obviously not in direct sunlight.