There are now 3 competing press tool brands RLS Mueller and Parker Sporlands Zoomlock Max - Connex Maxi pro side by side comparison of the ACR press offerings
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@rlsrapidlockingsystem7572 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the review Navid!
@gusnamazi20742 жыл бұрын
This is great information. thank you energy technologies.
@joshliljenberg11325 ай бұрын
Great run down... Was looking for some help deciding which path to go. After hearing your thoughts on the double O-Ring... Sold
@kruszy762 жыл бұрын
Just bought Rls m18 jaw kit for my hilti npr 32-a thanks for making greatest review so far in my opinion
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@lookItsJayden2 жыл бұрын
I got the streamline jaws because I already had the m18 tool. And I like the redundancy of 2 of rings. Haven’t used it just yet though
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
They all have M18 jaws. Milwaukee makes RLS and Mueller jaws with their branding. let us know how they work
@henryleon6384 Жыл бұрын
hilti make those jaws as well, i do own the npr 32, and the milwaukee force logic m 18 as a back up
@nmhvactech5474 Жыл бұрын
What’s your opinion on the Nibco PressACR? I wish there would be a standardization for all of these ACR fittings like ProPess for water.
@69Crimthann10 ай бұрын
Maxi Pro does not allow R-22, granted most only do new install, but I thought I would mention it.
@DwarfenRage7 ай бұрын
I just bought ACR streamline Muller fittings (500) to get a free tool. I just wish filter driers and units came with a way to attach these easier. Let people who weld coupling or sweg.
@energytechnologies2067 ай бұрын
They make press compatible dryers valves etc
@manuelherreros46095 ай бұрын
For refrigeration application which jaw kit is best? I recently purchased the zoomlock max jaw kit 24Kn, hopefully i made a smart decision. Let me know please.
@mylesm7947 Жыл бұрын
How close to a compressor can it be use
@1FourMe2 жыл бұрын
Can it be used on soft and hard drawn? 1/4 thru 7/8.
@Nightmare521994 ай бұрын
Hi, can you give us an update on these? Which one do you prefer the most? Also, I would like to ask info about pricing. The Mueller fittings have 2 O-rings, so I imagine they are more expensive than the others. In Europe I can only see Conix Banninger actively on the market.
@AddisonHomes2 жыл бұрын
This is a great overview and summary of these different technologies! I purchased and RLS jaw set for an M12 tool only to find that my two main supply houses stock the MaxiPro fittings. I really like the double seal of the RLS Zoomlock fittings. Any ideas on why nobody in my local market carries the Zoomlock versus the Maxipro?
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
They likely carry Maxi pro/Zoomlock max because they are already a Parker distributer. Distributors may like the way its packaged in hangable bags vs boxes. Supplyhouse.com has the full selection FYI they can get you product very fast. We have the opposite situation in the Seattle market RLS is easy to get they are at all Gensco locations and have it cash and carry vs Zoomlock Max is only really stocked by Thermal Supply which is not my primary supplier.We are at Gensco daily for pick ups as we primarily install Mitsubishi and American Standard. Johnstone carries it but in limited quantities.
@AddisonHomes2 жыл бұрын
@@energytechnologies206 That's so interesting. Thanks for the perspective. I'm buying from our Mitsubishi / American Standard distributor here and they only stock MaxiPro. Your video was a great summary of the different products and I really like the double sealing of the RLS. I called Johnstone in our market and they were like "huh? press fittings? what are they?".
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
@@AddisonHomes Johnstone is a franchise so each location is different Their main distribution centers have both Zoomlock Max and RLS and they can supply both of them. Just look up the part numbers and they will be like yah they are in Portland / Henderson DC etc
@stamfordson Жыл бұрын
I stock/sell RLS, where are you located? RLS is the superior product but not it’s hard to flip people because they have a gauntlet of jaws for their guys to use.
@neilcomparetto52822 жыл бұрын
Navid, I'm in the market for a press tool and I like the idea of cross-compatibility of the jaws to reduce the cost of the initial investment. My primary use will be residential refrigeration, but we do some water heater swaps so I would like to use it there too... I'm leaning towards the M12 Milwaukee - some kits come with a few water jaws - will those jaws work with the Zoomlock Max fittings? Thanks!
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
I think only jaws that will be the same are Zoomlock max 3/4” inch ACR which is 1/2 water 7/8 inch ACR which is 3/4 water copper
@danhvac2276 Жыл бұрын
Can I get jaws for the klauke 19kn for water fittings ?
@georgetsetsakos60882 жыл бұрын
Howdy! Great video. Do you know if the Zoomlock Max fittings are compatible with the standard Milwaukee M12 force logic press jaws?
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
discover.parker.com/ZoomLockMAXJaws ACR pipe is not allways the the same as type M/L water sizes. but they do make a Jaw kit for that platform. click on the link 24KN jaws are what you need
@benjaminwoodward2362 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen any issues with the Mueller system and soft copper line sets? I’m looking into one of these systems and I like the double o-ring design, but just want to be sure about working with soft copper line sets.
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
No issues . Used RLS / Mueller / ZL max on soft copper no issues so far
@TerryRGraham2 жыл бұрын
They're not doing enough to bring the cost down. Besides the cost of the tool, a 3/4 coupling is 16.00, and you cant hardly find the stupid fittings at the supply stores. Online stores are often out when I check, and I doubt that it's because they're selling so many. I'm meticulous when I braze and never get leaks on my joints, but with this thing, I figure there will be at least some leaks, so, with the stupid price of refrigerant, Id be increasing my costs. Other than that, I like it.
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
Which brand are you having trouble finding. Gensco has done a good job keeping stock up for our needs
@hvac01453 Жыл бұрын
What about cost comparison?
@908dirtyjerz Жыл бұрын
Can I use the zoomlock max jaws to press the viega fittings on water systems or do I have to change jaws?
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
Viega will say no in practice if it fits it ships remember ACR and type L are marked as different sizes
@richardprater4653 Жыл бұрын
we install American Standard also. how do you crimp on the filter dryer?
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
They make filter driers with 3/8 ACR stems
@jhovanimendoza6384 Жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever done a full VRF heat recovery system installation with this fittings, if so which one and did you have issues with leaks down the line with the copper fittings since they’re expanding and contracting constantly?
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
We only do residential so the largest units we install are Mitsubishi smart multi
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
So no larger than 8 zones
@TrustHisWord4 ай бұрын
Hoping manufacturers can get their prices down on these fittings! $75 for a 7/8-3/4 reducing coupling is really out to lunch.
@energytechnologies2064 ай бұрын
You need to talk to your supplier that kind of fitting is around $27 at my local distributer
@energytechnologies2064 ай бұрын
Supply House has them for $28 www.supplyhouse.com/RLS-RPC078-075-7-8-to-3-4-Refrigerant-Copper-Press-Reducer-Coupling
@TrustHisWord4 ай бұрын
@@energytechnologies206 a lot of suppliers do not ship to Canada..i am stuck with paying crazy high prices here in Alberta.
@joepiscitello4661 Жыл бұрын
are the fittings and jaws cross-compatible between brands?
@LibLibertyLibertarian Жыл бұрын
If I'm understanding correctly 2 of the zoomlock pro fittings are compatible with water copper jaws?
@victormartin26472 жыл бұрын
Great review! Regarding the 30-day leak, it may be the tool. press tool must be recalibrated every 10k presses or so.
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
All of our tools have been serviced and there are 5 tools so non of them ever made it to 10k presses It was likely a nick/ slit in the pipe
@Gcanno Жыл бұрын
A Different Color O Ring Would Probably Be Best At Identifying The Different Fittings .
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
You need a clear color coded sticker or something easy so everyone in the supply chain can easily see what to ship.
@SuperSteelhorseman4 ай бұрын
I’ve cut out those crummy Zoom Lock push to connect fittings installed by other companies/technicians due to leaks too many times. Would never recommend use/them them. I’m interested in the press fittings though.
@user-wd7bb6mx4j2 ай бұрын
You mean shark bites? Lol
@SuperSteelhorseman2 ай бұрын
@@user-wd7bb6mx4j nope Zoom Lock. Never had to cut out a Sharkbite plumbing fitting. Have 2 shark bites installed in my house going on 10 years without issue.
@shanebroome4033 ай бұрын
What should I get for the Milwaukee? I already have the Milwaukee M18 press tool what ones work on the m18
@energytechnologies2063 ай бұрын
All of the fitting makers make jaws for that took
@hvac01453 Жыл бұрын
You look like Horatio Sands onSNL I wonder if you could use one fitting on both ref & water? Lead is of no concern in heating applications.
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
The can be used in non potable applications
@keepthinking26662 жыл бұрын
Viega should just make one fitting to rule them all lol just put same o ring no possible law suits no lead
@joshuamaldonado292 ай бұрын
So you can use Viega jaws to press maxpro refrigerant fittings?
@energytechnologies2062 ай бұрын
Theoretically on 2 sizes. But in general all of the jaws look the same for ACR VS water so the sizes don't match.
@joshuamaldonado292 ай бұрын
But do they press to the same PSI rating? I thought jaws for plumbing only press to 200 PSI while refrigeration jaws press to 700 PSI
@prestigemechanical3600 Жыл бұрын
condenser and evaporator coils are brazed from the manufacturer. The skill set of real tradespeople is low so having press and push fittings is a must so large shops can hire those with little brazing skill and still get the job done. I braze
@richardprater4653 Жыл бұрын
will RLS tool work on Zoom Max fittings?
@energytechnologies206 Жыл бұрын
The jaws are not the same between all three platforms It is not like plumbing. 5 brands of press fittings same jaws Many of the press tools are interchangeable
@prestigemechanical3600 Жыл бұрын
Just braze, I only suggest pressing mini split fittings as they come pre flared and the copper is much thicker than a flare made in the field.
@keepthinking26662 жыл бұрын
U still need braze because of small repairs in coils, but I get ya
@energytechnologies2062 жыл бұрын
True. On the service side you still need a brazing kit
@keenanwalker65976 ай бұрын
Zoomlock is nice until your doing commercial refrigeration and you got 400ft of copper with 75-80 fittings then I take brazing any day 10x faster
@kenlangham337 Жыл бұрын
Design a fitting that will attach to the flare at the service vales you lazy but greedy tech guys. If you cant solder just say so.
@matthatmaker48217 ай бұрын
When you are ready to discuss a true comparison between the 3, please let me know. Your commentary is amateur at best.
@energytechnologies2067 ай бұрын
I am open to any suggestions on how to make the video better. Or an update to it.
@matthatmaker48216 ай бұрын
@energytechnologies206 I appreciate the opportunity to add some commentary. The MaxiPro fitting is sold all pver the world is in numerous way is superior to all other productd. -It does us a 3 point press method(you referred to as water press type) and this is the most widely used press type in the world for ACR, water, steam and games. It is used in all types of fittings (copper, stainless, carbon steel. -MaxiPro os clearly marked on each fitting with a high vis PINK logo- clearly identifying as an ACR fitting -MaxiPro is hard annealed copper which makes it more durable than a soft copper fitting that is easily damaged -MaxiPro is delivered in an airsealed/resealable bag similar to med gas fittings. This delivers a 100% contaminant free product (which is hugely important in our industry.....and unlike some of MaxiPro's competitors) -MaxiPro has a industry leading 15 year warranty -The MaxiPro fitting design was developed to emulate the length and size of a braze fitting. They offer standard and long radius fittings. Because they utilize a 3 point press, the length of their fitting does not increase like other products. Additionally, becuase they hydrofoil their fitting as opposed to bending it like others do with soft copper, the MaxiPro fitting is almost same size as brazed fittings that have been traditionally used. Hope this helps and I appreciate you openess to info.
@energytechnologies2066 ай бұрын
@@matthatmaker4821 www.conexbanninger.com/uploads/files/June_4_2019_Press_Release.pdf Maxi pro Connex design is from 2019 RLS design is 2015 commercial availability. Maxi pro was sued by RLS for patent infringement and changed the design slightly.
@energytechnologies2066 ай бұрын
@@matthatmaker4821 Maxi pro / Zoomlock max are derived in air tight packaging. RLS is in cardboard boxes. We haven't seen this as a real bonus if you will or a detractor in a sense because the packages are opened and put into Milwaukee pack out trays as soon as we take delivery of them. Yes the sealed packaging is probably a bonus in placed that are extremely humid to decrease oxidization in humid places like Florida .