Across the Spiderverse Review

[@RenzyTheGreat]

I don’t think she realizes that Gwen telling Miguel “maybe you weren’t hard enough on him” in regards to Miles was her being sarcastic. Like of course Miles isn’t going to listen, he was slamming him against a train and yelling that he doesn’t belong with them.

[@grAnita-]

Yeah, It’s odd how Hezu missed that, it’s made pretty obvious that Gwen was being sarcastic

[@sweetrain50]

Exactly. It went completely over her head. SMH

[@Tessodan]

@@grAnita- I think it's because Gwens tone and delivery of it were serious and didn't really seem like sarcasm. Also the mood was pretty tense so a lot of people couldn't tell

[@grAnita-]

@@Tessodan bha I don't know, it sounded pretty clear in my opinion. But it's not a big deal anyway

[@Terraider]

Just what I was thinking she’s being sarcastic

[@Je-S1001]

24:04 Pav getting extremely offended was the joke, also It’s part of another joke earlier in the movie when Miles called out Spot for calling it an ATM machine when the M stands for machine. The Chai Tea joke was partially about calling miles a hypocrite with that sort of thing.

[@grAnita-]

20:46 Hobie colors skims are inconsistent because he said “I don’t believe in consistency” so he keeps changing

[@striker07927]

Hezu, about Gwen’s “inconsistency” regarding her behavior, it’s actually common to switch how you act in certain settings, you could be ignored, abused and disrespected, depressed, gloomy, Etc when in school, while your bundle of sunshine at home, you could be an actor who’s happy on set, rude off set, also I think the movie did a great job showing how she’s really conflicted, how she switches up between doing one thing and being mad or frustrated about another, she’s trying to be a good friend to Miles and make him happy while trying to stay in the Spider Society, when she can’t do both because they’re opposing natures and she had to choose which one, except she couldn’t, because Miguel in his frustration and already harbored resentment towards Gwen and Miles, kicks her out in a moment of frustration and bias, also at 12:11 I think of it more as side effects of Spider-Verse 1, rather than “imploding in on itself”, 34:22 I view it in my opinion that the universe is kinda like a mug, it can be broken, unfixable, some are fragile, some are stronger, but you can put the pieces back together, it can maintain its shape without it being broken forever, Earth 42 is a broken mug that compensated itself from collapsing on itself, and mapped itself out from there, if the mug however is too broken, it can’t be fixed, 2099 broken the world’s mug and now it can’t be fixed, if Miles tries to save his dad as an anomaly, then he can’t fix his world after that, it is what it is and Miles believes he can fix it, but Miguel doesn’t

[@Treck533]

Also she was obviously being sarcastic when she told Miguel he was being hard on Miles, idk how this chick misread that line.

[@sweetrain50]

Great, great points!

[@hannahrisken7183]

Sun spider also made a comment about it. Asking Miles if what he thinks of creaking jokes to hide your feelings

[@excalibur2772]

She's LITERALLY wearing a mask lol

[@ThomasThePanzerTank]

I'm confused on why everyone is hung up on Penny looking upset/tired? She's confirming that her friend's father is destined to die or his universe will collapse. I don't think she would ever look like her anime self while delivering such heavy news like that.

[@BlueBlazeKing]

It’s because it’s an EVA reference

[@MCPhatman]

The chai joke works so well because of the subtle jokes it sets up and it puts Miles in his place after his ATM comment.

[@tuc-kaankaraayan]

It also shows how much of a spiderman Miles actually is since it's literally his joke repeated by another spiderman without them knowing. Confirming that at the very least he is as much of a spiderman in mind wise as someone other than him.

[@mochii813]

​@@tuc-kaankaraayanthis is really funny considering the joke is coming from a Peter Variant.

[@JurassicLion2049]

The Parental Themes hit home especially for Hispanic / Latino viewers because family is so important. But also, Spider-Man comics were always about the relationships / regular life of the character beneath the mask. Where the first film was moreso focused on Miles and his dad and Uncle, his black heritage & how black family is like, this film focused on his Hispanic heritage & his relationship with his mom. But also emphasizing how, for us Latinos at least, family is more than just blood or even culture. You dont need be Latino / Hispanic to be included in family. Nor does being half non Latino make you less so. Rio is speaking to Miles about general growth and life stuff but its also as much reflective of culture. Miles wishes to be more independent & Rio is coming to terms accepting that when, in Latino families, closeness is emphasized. We help each other out, stay in contact, etc. Also the emphasis on family and how you can have both found and blood family I think hits home Hispanic families even harder. Miles has foundish family with fellow Spider people like Gwen, Hobie, and Peter. They have found families with each other especially the more isolatef Spiders. But they still have non Spider loved ones. What they fight for is their families & friends. Thats why parental figures & family is emphasized. What interest would thete be in a superhero with nothing to fight and put your all for?

[@StevenJones851]

i really love the family theme here in this Movie

[@Mimi-Aury]

Yes it was so so good it was one of my favourite parts I didn’t even notice he was half Hispanic/Latino in the first one and I like how both the movies as a whole show how complicated family can be how there is not one meaning of what is family.

[@joeprovo3627]

Correction: Gwen isn't mad that Miguel wasn't "hard enough" on Miles, she's mad because Miguel was handling the situation the wrong way from the get-go. Miguel was straight up aggressive with Miles because he believes the boy to be an anomaly. Gwen believed that maybe she could convince Miguel to take a different approach by meeting with Miles, but Miguel, stubborn in his ways, tries to control Miles for his own agenda. And then, when Gwen confronts Miguel about his behavior towards Miles, she wounds his ego by saying they were "supposed to be the good guys". This shows that even though Gwen made some rash decisions, she still cares about Miles and wants the best for him.

[@silverbells24]

I can agree with this! Bro was really throwing dukes with a fucking teenager. But yeah, I felt Miguel was just an egotistical asshole the whole 2nd half of the film. I liked Miguel in the first 10 minutes of the film, but suddenly, he switched from a badass to a jerkass in the span of a couple hours or weeks "idk how time works in the spider society". But yeah, Gwen made some weird decisions, but in the end, she still tried everything to defend Miles despite Miguel literally attempting to murder the guy multiple times.

[@joeprovo3627]

@silverhawk23 Yeah, you get it. Miguel was literally telling Miles not to save his dad, and when he doesn't get the answer he wants, he gets mad and attempts to beat the kid into submission until he loses him. That's not what a spider-man should do. That's not an ideal Spider-Man would strive for. And there's also a bunch more evidence, both overt and subtle, to support how Miguel himself doesn't fully understand how the spiderverse works.

[@LauraM96829]

I think the inconsistency in how the canon works is meant to indicate that Miguel’s thinking towards Canon Events and Anomalies is incredibly flawed and mainly him projecting his own trauma. As you said, Pavitr’s dimension collapsing could be entirely because of the Spot, and it just happened to occur after Miles saved the inspector. But Miguel insists it’s because it’s the cannon and doesn’t even entertain the possibility when Miles brings it up. And if Miles isn’t supposed to be Spider-Man, why does it matter if he breaks his own canon or not. Likewise, Mayday shouldn’t even exist, since according to Miguel, if Miles wasn’t bitten, the collider would’ve been destroyed before it went off, and Miles and Peter B would never had met. Peter B states that he only had Mayday because of Miles. So if Miles is an anomaly, then that means his influence on Peter B’s life should’ve also meant his universe should’ve collapsed like Pavitr’s. I think it’s more that Miguel is so driven by guilt and trauma, he’s catastrophizing everything. In reality, he might not fully understand or know what caused the universe with his daughter to collapse, and is just running with the first theory that makes sense, while ignoring some of the obvious evidence that says that the canon isn’t entirely set in stone. It also explains why he is so insistent that Miles not break the cannon, even though he doesn’t even view Miles as a Spider-Man. I think when he sees Miles trying to say he can do both, he’s reminded of himself trying to have it all with his family, and is projecting all his guilt and self hatred onto Miles. My personal theory is that breaking the canon events comes down to who it is doing the breaking. Miguel replacing himself and Miles saving Pavitr’s captain was harmful because they were outsiders directly influencing events as they happened. But something like Gwen’s dad quitting, Miles being Spider-Man, and Peter B having Mayday are fine because they were the results of actions made by Spider people in their native universes. Even though Gwen and Peter B were inspired by Miles, it was ultimately their own actions and choices that changed the course of their stories.

[@spritemon98]

I love how the spot went from a villain of the week to a multiversal threat. Its so good and unexpected

[@dgmilloway]

The inconsistency in Gwen's character is classic Spider-Man. Peter Parker is always under tremendous personal stress and angst, dealing with horrible stuff, but he always quips with the villains he's fighting. He's always funny when he puts on the mask. It's a coping mechanism and fighting style to drive his opponents crazy and make mistakes.

[@chrisf4268]

When gwen was saying that Miguel wasn't hard enough on Miles she was be sarcastic, she actually meant that Miguel was being nothing but hard on Miles.

[@clownmoss]

31:55 that is the point, canon events are bs, Miguel just wants to rationalize his grief in the worse way possible

[@donnamitsuki281]

I'm honestly not over the chai tea joke,Pav getting THAT offended IS the joke. While I agree that the trailers loved that one joke way too much,it's nice. It's also a bit of a callback if you want to call it that of how Miles made a comment on why people call it "ATM machine" when the M stands for "machine". Maybe it's me being latina and getting the annoyance tourist can be that made me find it so charming for Pav to be legit annoyed about things like "chai tea" and "naan bread" and how people go to India to "find themselves",on top of the "AND HERE'S WHERE THE BRITISH STOLE ALL OF OUR STUFF :D" he's so damn funny and charismatic

[@000Dragon50000]

Honestly despite the main character supposedly still being Miles, this felt like Gwen's movie. She got all the character development and major story beats.

[@thebigidea9659]

Felt that too, feels like Miles's character gets focused on more in part two.

[@ggt47]

True. Apparently they wanted to make a spider-woman spinoff but it never so instead they made the sequel Gwen's story for some reason.🤨

[@Giant_Flying_Hermit_Crab]

​@@ggt47No, the spinoff is still happening.

[@HobieInTheBox]

Yes, we got the story from her POV this time. The third movie is gonna conclude the entire story

[@danielfletcher706]

this is kinda a finished story for me because of this. Gwen's arc is mostly finished. everyone's just waiting for her to and miles to kiss passionately

[@miserirken]

20:46 pretty sure this has been actually addressed and pointed out to be on purpose, kind of visual cues about Hobie's nature. In color, composition, and framerate, all over the place yet in organized chaos, he's both a true anarchist and a living punk DIY magazine. But yeah i can see why Hobie is a sensory overload for some viewers. 21:44 and this, yeah, idk why but apparently there was some mayor audio mixing issues in some screening of this movie (i was lucky i hadn't said issues but some of my friends had those in their respective views). Maybe that was also part of their quirky ass multiple versions of the same movie (ugh, still a dumb idea and yet another reason to not give it a 10). But yeah, bad mixing was a thing for several people. Still you're right about the subtitles, with or without bad audio mixing, the multilanguage aspect can be a problem for several people. It's quite pointless making your movie less accessible (and this comes from a latino who watched the movie in English just 'cause i don't support the awful "influencer dub" practice).

[@antoine1486]

Gwen bouncing back and forth in moods at the beginning of the movie is normal Spider-Man behavior. It was even pointed out by the Spider-Woman on a wheelchair during the chase saying, “Spider-Men often use humor as a crutch.” Get it? Crutch! 😂

[@lucid5017]

Well for Hobie, I feel like the whole point is that he follows no rules, he is an anarchist at heart.

[@grAnita-]

This is why his design keeps changing; he states in the movie that he doesn’t believe in consistency…. haha genius!

[@naomi7918]

I don't think that Gwen has "more" personality in the sequel. She already was a very well rounded character in the first one. But she didn't had much screen time because it was obviously Miles story, and therefore we (the audience) didn't really get the know her, except through Miles lens. In the sequel we got introduce to her world and got to know her and her personality

[@Dr.PicklePh.D.]

I enjoyed this video a lot! Still, I really disagree about the parenthood themes being too much. It was a major theme of the film--take it away, and there's still lots of stuff about Gwen and spider society and Miles uncovering things, but the parenthood thing really provides a consistent thematic through line in a way that I don't think anything else quite does. On top of that, I think it's really important to have those scenes to establish the parents as people. And a really good way to show humanity is to show a character's struggle. If we don't spend a good chunk of time with them, the only reason we would care about their safety is because of the way it would affect their kids (which could work just fine in some stories, but I don't think would have been enough in a trilogy like this). We got to know Miles' dad in the first movie, but his mom was almost not even there, so giving her the majority of parenthood scenes in this film makes sense. Tie that in with the scenes with Miles' dad, Gwen's dad, Peter B., and heck, why not throw Uncle Aaron and Jessica Drew in there too, and we get (in my opinion) a really interesting spectrum of authority figures and support systems! You said that most of Miles' issues with his parents could be resolved by them knowing that he's Spider-Man. Put aside the legitimate worries they might have about his safety and the restrictions they might put on him because of it, I don't know that it would solve everything. Look at Peter B.--he knows everything! He can fully sympathize with Miles! But that doesn't mean there aren't still issues and mistrust between them. So many movies aimed at a younger demographic paint parents as overbearing and unreasonable, and when they show a sympathetic side, they do so without dwelling too heavily on the parents' motivations. Parenting is hard. Relationships with your kids are tough to navigate, especially when they're teenagers and you're having to constantly renegotiate the power balance because they really need support and encouragement but they're also kinda dumb and lack a lot of experience (but they're constantly gaining more experience and becoming better at navigating life!). I think parents and older adults can relate to harsh but sympathetic parents (like Stoick from How to Train Your Dragon) by putting together the pieces and using their experience, and I'm sure some kids can too. But I also think it's really refreshing to have a movie lay that struggle out clearly in a way that clearly shows the parents' thoughts and feelings to the kids in the audience. My mom told me a lot of stuff as a teenager that I didn't really get at the time, but it makes total sense now. Movies are special because they can give you a way to depersonalize and sympathize with a parent when it might be hard or confusing to do that in your own life because it's so emotionally charged. In conclusion, yes. I think the parenting themes were explicit and could maybe even be perceived as a bit heavy-handed. I totally understand not jiving with those parts and wishing the movie was more focused on the stuff you did jive with. However, I think it was a good thing to have at least one major scene focused on each of the major parental figures in the film, and I think comparing those scenes would even result in a lot of neat parallels and messages I didn't get into here. I think it deserves to be examined and discussed as much as any of the other major themes in the film. I've seen a lot of the sentiments about parenting play out in real life, and my hunch is that a lot of other people have too, and will have something really neat to relate to or learn from! I feel like I could've written a whole essay about this (kinda did... oh well. I could make it a lot longer, maybe I will when I have more time lol) so I'm sure I missed a lot.

[@Caine7ify]

29:50, YES! THANK YOU! For all the DESCENT points Miguels has, they're just THEORIES. Not PROVEN FACTS. The point Earths 1610 and 42 still exist prove that Miguel's theories on Canon Events are NOT 100% ACCURATE. Then again... what if that part was INTENTIONAL?

[@Tessodan]

18:50 I JUST REALIZED THAT PROWLER MILES DOING THIS IS A PARALLEL TO UNCLE AARON DOING THE "HEY" THING OMG THIS MOVIE

[@000Dragon50000]

Miguel's whole idea of the Canon being wrong is strongly implied, but I'm not sure how the destruction of the world he adopted fits into that. Perhaps another villain he never saw? but that feels weak.

[@DromusTH]

Wrong how? It already happened several times so their evidence.

[@000Dragon50000]

@@DromusTH They don't provide several examples, though, Miguel only provides one, the world he adopted after losing people in his own. Everything else in this movie was caused by the Spot directly. (Spiderman!Miles and Prowler!Miles' worlds should have fallen apart already if his theory was actually true.)

[@DromusTH]

@@000Dragon50000 If that was the chase miguel wouldn't have said this. Miguel: And now, Miles, because you changed the story, Pavitr's dimension is unravelling. If we're lucky, we can stop it. We haven't always been lucky. Which mean it has happened before, multiple times and if Spot really was the one that caused it wouldn't Gwen watch have told her? 🤔 Instead, it's when Miles saves the Captain the message pops up and the world starts glitching. Maybe the reason it didn't glitch when Spot cause it was because something similar was supposed to happen? The whole Spiderman Miles and Prowler Miles seems to be somewhat weird, I'm guessing it's because their world is too similar. 🤷

[@GoliathWarfare]

​​​@@DromusTHPeter B. Parker replaced his dead self in his own timeline, same as Miguel and nothing happened to Miles' world. Peter B interacted with MJ, Aunt May, and multiple villains with no consequences. Also the black hole in Mumbattan was a giant spot while Miguel's world was destroyed from a glitch shatter. Miles even says the Spot was responsible. Miguel is definitely hiding something. I think Miles is a counter anomaly, not a regular one, meaning he heals canon naturally instead of breaking it. It would explain how he helped Peter B to have a kid and indirectly saved Gwen's dad through his actions leading her back to him.

[@kojoattah3987]

​@@GoliathWarfareeven though I feel like Miguel being wrong is definitely possible Peter B Parker didn't really replace his counterpart cuz he stayed hidden and didn't interact with anybody Miguel actually went back to his family and lived with them

[@gjk-arts5855]

29:09 I'd say the theme of the movie is also about belonging. Gwen trying to find a place where she fits in, her “band.” (and in the end, she starts her own - she makes herself a place where she does fit in.) Miles wants to find somewhere where there's people he can talk to and relate to with his problems living a double-life (the spider-society) and also what rio said: “And he doesn't let ANYONE at those BIG FANCY PLACES he’s gonna be in… tell him he doesn't belong there.” and lastly, Miguel telling Miles “you don't belong. you NEVER did.” Parenting is a big part of the movie too, though - and I like how they show multiple sides of parenting. Gwen and her dad were more distant and had trouble communicating with one another, but they clearly love eachother deep down. Miles' parents are more supportive of him but also can be strict sometimes, they do try to listen to Miles but are still learning. Though.. I think Peter B's part with Mayday might be overdoing it. Maybe they just needed a way to give Peter B more screentime?

[@misterzygarde6431]

I do wonder…. How would Miguel react if he had to face, Spider-Man from the 1994 cartoon, Peter, Miles, and Gwen of the 2017, along with Spidey and his Amazing Friends. Especially since the latter two have Gwen and Miles operate alongside Peter.

[@Essu_]

The irony is that Miguel himself isn't even supposed to be a Spider-Man. He went out of his way to become one.

[@Thila-Thila]

After choke slamming Miles, I won't be surprised when Miguel choke slams the toddler Spider people 💀

[@olddog4090]

@@Essu_ Ngl, I'm seeing this spread a lot and it's just not true. Miguel became a Spider-Man against his will and you could figure that out with a simple google search.

[@spritemon98]

34:35 from what i understand is that miles dimension still works is because he never crossed dimensions only the spider so it was so minor that it didn't destroy it and since miles was bitten by the spider from dimension 42. He's essentially the link for it to not go and poof

[@starlight6947]

Another really fun thing is the little clues for the more observant about Miles being in the wrong universe. First of all the movie shows you he's going to Earth-42 when his earth is Earth-1016,a detail easy to miss if not paying close attention. Then we got the subtle differences,Miles' hoodie and jacket combo is green and purple instead of red and black,her mother's eyes are green instead of brown,she mentions Comic-Con when it was established there's no Comic-Con in Miles' universe,her reaction about Miles' hair,her reaction to his comment about his dad. The differences start building and building up until the terrifying reveal. Miles being so scared and Miles-42 probably being internally freaked out himself makes a lot of sense,and it even makes you think how truly dark what Miguel did (replace an alternate him who died) is. It's just fascinating,touching upon that uncanny territory that could be multiple you existing. I *love* it. I personally hope Miles-42 is indeed a vigilante who makes justice best as he can his own way,it honestly would kinda prove Miguel wrong on his assumption that dimension is completely unprotected,sure it means Earth-42 is basically Gotham but I don't mind the idea Miles-42 still has a good heart but he's been broken down by the world around him and yet got up as he always does,just with a different perspective

[@Kamil_Horvath]

I thought the point of the logic behind canon events being contradictory was to show that Miguel is wrong and not all stories are supposed to follow canon.

[@dtoonergames7450]

gwen didn't yell at Miguel for not being hard enough on him, she sarcastically yells at him for being TOO hard on him

[@cardbutton892]

As a note, Gwen wasn't telling Miguel to "be harder on Miles". She was calling out Miguel on "being too hard on Miles" after Miguel started shifting blame to her for the outcome of Miles' escape. "Maybe you weren't hard enough on him?" in that context and tone is calling attention to Miguel's harsh treatment of Miles, not telling him he should have gone harder. As Miguel was the one who escalated with Miles several times even b4 the chase.

[@superherochestsymbol1032]

That and Gwen telling jokes to Miguel in the middle of battle is a Spider-Man thing, idk how she missed that, it was even joked about how many jokes a spider-person can tell when Miles arrived in the Spider Scociety.

[@Dondissimo]

5:11 She’s yelling at Miguel in a facetious way. She’s saying he actually was too hard on him. The way you called it a flip flop makes me believe you took it literally.

[@gjk-arts5855]

33:44 most likely this was caused by the FULL-SIZE COLLIDER SPEWING LARGE AMOUNTS OF DARK MATTER (which you know is pretty bad for a dimension from the first movie) which caused the building to be covered in dark matter, and when it fell it left a huge quantum hole. The Spot made the collider go off, I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the canon (and Miguel has like 89 plotholes in his canon theory anyways he's definitely wrong about it in most aspects)

[@hannahrisken7183]

Woman get sidelined as soon as they become pregnant. In real life and in fiction. It's nice to see a woman still being able to do her job while pregnant. This is fantasy. There's superheroes with super powers. Her baby can probably withstand impact due to her spider powers.

[@tigerbear5845]

For the canon event issues thing, I think it's implied that the hole "Break Canon=Universe Collapse" thing from Miguel might be BS, or he's wrong about what causes universes to collapse and assumes it's these "canon events"... Like some people have read it as putting out the question of "Does spider-man need the trauma to be spider-man?" But yah it's still unclear, as it's very much left an unanswered question. (Though I do think that this is going to lead to a "canon events are not a thing" twist...)

[@QTRemnant]

Why are people questioning if spider man needs the trauma? Just sounds like people don't want bad things to happen to a character imo. I do think that writers go too far sometimes (one more day and the recent comics), but if the character never goes through hardships, then it's just boring in my eyes.

[@tigerbear5845]

@quantelthompson4261 That's... Not what I'm saying? I think people are just speculating that the film asks, "Does Spider-Man need Uncle Ben to die to be Spider-Man". or "Does Spider-Man need bad events in his life to convince him to become Spider-Man"... The idea is that Miguel is convinced that if terrible things don't happen to Spider-Man, the world ends... (E.G You can only be Spider-Man if you had an Uncle Ben figure who died, and that XYZ canon events happened...) I don't think anyone is arguing "Nothing bad should happen to Spider-Man, there should be no conflict in the story at all!" I think they're just saying... "Do we really need to adhere to the canon of 'dead relative pushes spider-person to become spider person" It's not saying that Peter Parker shouldn't have a dead Uncle, or that bad things shouldn't happen to Spider-Man, but that "Is a Spider-verse alt relativity spider-person without a dead Uncle Ben equivalent still Spider-man"... Or that if a Spider-Man lacked an Uncle Ben equivalent, he wouldn't/would be a lesser spider-man.

[@QTRemnant]

@@tigerbear5845 That's what my question was referring to(probably should have worded it differently). I just think it's a weird thing to question or speculate about since a big part of being a superhero/spider man is not being able to save everyone while still trying to. Maybe I just got my understanding of the speculation wrong altogether. I'll probably just drop this, so sorry if I wasted your time.

[@tigerbear5845]

@@QTRemnant Nah don't worry, didn't waste a lot of time. Do hope to see what direction beyond the spider verse takes seeing how amazing ATSV was.

[@QTRemnant]

@@tigerbear5845 Same here. Have a nice day 👍

[@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450]

34:23 My guess is that *if* the universe needs a spider to hold it together then 42 is just on hold, because, well, the universe is arguably older that it's spiderman.

[@bastel_art]

36:20 this is a really good point, and I'm interested to see if you're right about the third movie's title being a hint

[@JustDough]

Honestly better than the first IMO! Not saying the first is bad!! This one just plays a lot more into my interests!

[@gjk-arts5855]

6:31 he actually whispers “hey. peter pan” WHICH IS SO CUTE BECAUSE - HE CALLS GWEN “GWENDY” ITS PETER PAN AND GWENDY. they all ship gwiles (“ghostflower”) canonically its so CUTE

[@ckm5702]

I love your avatar design and all the poses she as it's so adorable. I found your helluva boss reviews like 2 months ago and subbed so this is my first live video of yours. Keep up the good work

[@spinjitzumasterfalcon]

Alright, let's do this one last time. My name is Falcon and I freaking loved this movie. When I saw Into The Spider Verse, it started a spark in me to have the desire and passion to start animating and hope to one day create my own original animated movie. And to this day, I still hold that passion as I'm about to head into college. But this movie is my all time favorite movie of all time. I've seen it 4 times already and am excited to buy it on DVD. And, Miles, man. Dude, this movie solidified why he's my favorite Spider-Man of all time. He showed me to always stand to my own beliefs and to do my own thing no matter what anybody says. I try to love by that statement everyday and not let anyone else tell me who I am. And to add to that, the freaking animation is so gorgeous! I just can't get over the fight with Spot (who's amazing), and Miles against the entire Spider Society. It just looks so fantastic. Then the music! Oh my gosh, Am I Dreaming just has me on a whole new spiritual plane. So overall 10/10!

[@shanevaldez12]

Im sure everyone else has talked about the cannon stuff already but i want to put my thoughts on it. My theory as to why miles's universe isnt gone is because the cannon events arent as set in stone as miguel makes them out to be. For instance, the moment that the spider bit miles is teleported into his universe, prowler miles's universe shouldn't exsit at that point. But yet it's still there and it's ruled by crime. And during the movie, peter b tells miles that he had mayday because of miles. If cannon events were supposed to be super connected, than peter's universe shouldve collapsed when he either had mayday or got back with mj. His story was supposed to be him being super down on his luck and never have anything good. But after meeting miles hes a proud dad and is proud to be spiderman. Now with all in that in mind, the reason why miguel talks about the cannon events like the way he does is because he understands that most spider people have to go through specific tramatic/amazing events in order for their universe to stay intact. However, not all of the events are all alike nor do they need to happen. The reason why miguel is so adamant about keeping the cannon intact is because of his experience messing with the cannon. He believes that because of the universe that was destroyed because he was in it, was a direct response for him messing with the cannon. Theres no true explanation as to why that universe collapsed and why the rest of the spiderverse hasnt collapsed. Miguels reasoning for stopping future anomalies for being in different universe's is because is him projecting his fears onto others. Thats why he's so dark and bruding with anger about everything. Hes a flawed character for a reason. He doesnt have the answers for everything but he thinks he does because he went through and experience that he believed was his fault. So in conclusion, cannon events aren't all black and white. We're ment to believe that because of miguel and his reasoning for creating the spider society. But in reality the cannon can be shifted.

[@everythinggirly916]

That's exactly my gripe with this movie. All the spider-people folow Miguel without questioning anything.

[@billybois5745]

I was looking for your channel the other day, but i forgot your name. Thanks for uploading this rn so i could find you

[@GustavoSuperSonic2001]

Well, IDK the web that connects all the Spiderman is called "The Web of Life and Destiny" enfasis in DESTINY. Many things if you know the comics happened (Like Hobbie killing Norman Osborn, or Peny losing or her Family) Some other themes in this movie apart of parenthood, is about Destiny and the Changes, yet Miguel things about algorithms and other things

[@DolphyShark]

A movie that i wanted a review of by my favorite review channel!! love you ❤

[@kerisuri]

My favorite art styles were Hobie's and Gwen. Gwen with her Pastels repping the trans flag and reminding me of degas and her connection to the world of dance and ballet. As well as Hobie's, which perfectly encapsulated the look and feel of punk rock posters and DIY mags. Back in the day, punk rock bands would play in underground venues, and print their own posters, usually making a collage and xeroxing it, then coloring bits and pieces in whatever implements they had to color, before pasting them up all over town. Personally I love the chaotic and quick shifts in color, but I also love neons and the bright, strobing lights of 80s anime. Personally, I didn't think most of the accents were that thick, except Hobies, and that was worst during his intoduction, and I have audio processing issues, but also I've lived and/or worked in big cities surrounded by foreigners all my life, and got used to a ton of accents

[@StoryBird2]

When Miles went to the wrong dimension me and my sister knew right away bc the machine said "Earth 42" which we knew wasn't Mile's dimension, so seeing all the smaller details hinting at the wrong place such as the colors and state of the city was fun

[@Keith_Norman]

Miguel makes sense while not making sense and I can't wait for the next one to have more of Spider-Man noir

[@ancientbaltoy8769]

Since the whole point of Miles story is that he doesn't need to be spider-man in the same way, in other words he doesn't need to follow what people view as Spider-man's cannon. It indicates that Miguel is wrong with the cannon's importance

[@JurassicLion2049]

HEZU! One of my fave people on KZbin, always a delight when you make a new deep dive. Imma watch in full later cause its late, but know it makes me happy to see your vids in my subscriptions :) EDIT: I couldnt wait and watched the vid. Im loving all the discussion. You deserve a full on deep dive podcast

[@grAnita-]

5:06 Gwen was ironic when she said to Miguel “maybe you weren’t hard enough” here, it’s not inconsistent

[@MayhamDumped]

Of course Gwen would start making jokes as she switched into her Spider-Women persona that's something that practically every spiderman/person. Does she not know who spiderman is?

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

4:55 I am sure it's because her life is endanger. I mean sure she isn't okay but I always saw the jokes as a means for removing pressure. I mean sure she doesn't do it when it's her own life however the pressure of the situation and her almost dying in combat may cause her to make more jokes.

[@Dillashawgirls123]

I LOVE your videos!But this was this was the first one I wanted to regard your spoiler warning, because I REALLY wanted to watch the movie! but now I have, so. . . yay!

[@T-Jex]

31:08 thats a reference to the final panel of Spider-Man #50 aka “Spider-Man no more” which has become so iconic every variant has its own version, the story line (and i guess the cannon event in the movie) is that being a spider-person has become such a burden they just give up and throw the towel, but eventually realize how important Spider-Man/Woman is and dawn the webs again.

[@lusaminefushiguro5332]

29:48 COGRATULATIONS YOU'RE ASKING ALL THE RIGHT QUESTIONS!! So. I've seen this being called Schröndinger's Plothole,as in,this may be the plot making no sense once you think about it hard enough *OR* it's all on purpose to make yo question Miguel's logic and how important Canon Events truly are. We know Miguel replaced someone from another dimension to be a father and feel happiness,this all went wrong and the dimension broke completely. My first question was always how long Miguel got to spend in that universe,cause it seems it was a while but allegedly Pavitr's universe started collapsing almost immediately (even if is most likely Spot's doing). Miles makes reasonable arguments that Miguel is simply obeying an AI and an algorithm telling him what supposedly must happen (meta commentary on the various story beats Spider-Man follows time and time again,even Miles himself with Uncle Aaron's death). Now if his Canon Events theory turns out to be incorrect and these aren't things that must happen no matter what,that leaves the question of what happened with that dimension Miguel went to,some explain it with the MCU bc it stablishes a thing about someone from another universe staying in the wrong universe too long or whatever but idk it's weird to bring MCU logic to a Sony product Anyway. Part of me feels the movie does want you to ask these questions. Ask what qualifies as an anomaly and what doesn't,ask why Pavitr's dimension was gonna be affected by something not meant to exist such as The Spot,ask how much can a Canon Event be stretched on its various requirements,and even ask why both Earth-42 and Earth-1016 have actually been okay,sure Earth-42 is a mess according to concept art sharing this universe is run by villains with only vigilante The Prowler there to do anything about it,but other than that they never started collapsing or anything I'm not saying Miguel is wrong or an idiot,personally I feel a lot of what he says makes sense (mostly if you truly see his perspective as a traumatized individual with huge amounts of guilt and regret on his shoulders) but maybe not even he knows everything,maybe he has misunderstood too and has only let paranoia and anger consume him. We'll have to see

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

This is an amazing review, thank you for making this video!!

[@bugchaser7572]

The intro was adorable.

[@thecluckster3908]

I just rewatched it now that its on digital and even knowing everything that happens I just felt so giddy and exited while watching, movie is just fantastic.

[@What-is-blip]

Love the video- regarding the anomalies and canon events I’m fairly sure the point is that it doesn’t make sense the more you look at it. It’s not supposed to make sense because it doesn’t, all the imploding universes are caused by other things and are mistaken to be caused by anomalies. When gwen’s dad quits she has a look of realisation on her face which i think is supposed to be taken as her realising that canon events aren’t set in stone and can be prevented. Just my thoughts on it :)

[@Rednetthall2]

Two things that point towards Miguel being full of: 1. If miles is the original anomaly but Peter b Parker has Mayday because of Miles doesn't mean that Mayday is also an anomaly? So is Miguel going to kill a baby to "stop universe from collapsing in on"? 2. A running theme with Miles about the fact that if you can't have your cake and eat it too then just bring two cakes. In some of the supplemental material it stated that prowler miles is actually a vigilante. Doing things like stealing medication from mega corpse. So in other words there's a good chance that Miles and prowler miles might work together because they are- "The two cakes"~

[@josiahconstantine1996]

My favorite part of the movie was when Gwen and miles swinging around New York City vibing while Mona Lisa was playing in the background that whole sequence was beautiful

[@spritemon98]

3:09 and the spot is the same voice actor who played jesper in klaus

[@donjuangaming_gyatt]

Hezu, when Gwen's father quits and the universe doesn't implode, I'm pretty sure it's intentional. It's supposed to show that Miguel's theory is false

[@woomod2445]

Migeul's projection is even more intresting, he's the biggest anomaly of all the spiderpeople, even more the miles in a way. He's the only spider-person who chose the job, and as he notes the only one who hates it. Everyone else was literally chosen by the spider, where he saw the need and took it upon himself. As for if migeul is a tragic hero or a villain....he's a tragic antagonist, he's wrong about canon, he fucked up, he doesn't want anyone else to fuck up like that, and no one else is even trying to answer the question of "universes are being lost". Also it's not a plot hole, he's wrong about why universes implode, he's just wrong.

[@QueenCherry08]

I have been waiting so long for this

[@UltimateTS64]

For your point on canon events, in the movie itself they mention how they use an algorithmic model to predict events, giving a hint that it's not 100% accurate. I believe there's intentionally some discrepancies within the logic of them, as a setup for the resolution, where Miles proves that the canon doesn't exist and he in fact can save his dad. Also with Hobie the reason his colors are so inconsistent is because he even states in the movie that he doesn't believe in consistency. He's anti-establishment through and through, even to the point that each part if his body is animated at different frames per second to bring the point full circle. Lastly the focus on parenting was prevalent in the first movie as well, with Miles' strained relationship with his dad and the fact that approval from his father is what helped him become his own Spider-Man. Also the fact that Uncle Aaron and Peter B. Parker acted more like the father he wanted in different ways, but both missed key aspects that made Miles realize how much he loved his own dad. You also have Peter treating Miles like his own kid, making him want to have kids himself. Then with Kingpin his whole plan with the collider centered around him wanting to have his family back to properly father his son since he failed him and then he died. Familial bonds is a huge theme in these movies, and the sequel only just deepened the commentary by adding more nuance and maturity too it is all. Still a really solid review, just a few things I felt could give some insight.

[@xjosna4485]

I have to say, a very thorough review, that gave notice on a lot of things, I didn't realize, before watching this. I didn't have the problem with the audio, but I watched it in german, so I guess that doesn't count. Overall a very good job! 👍Makes me wanna watch it again, with giving bigger attention to the aspects brought forth here.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

Ah, Great stuff Hezu!

[@NixityNullt]

34:41 I dont think we know if the doppelganger that Miguel replaced was a Spiderman

[@thesithsaiyan4864]

Miguel has a whole bakery.

[@spritemon98]

30:55 exactly!!! Spot activating the collider shouldn't count

[@mikechicago6200]

The one spider that wasn't shown....the Spiderman from the 1990s Spiderman series....hope he appears in the 3rd film as also love to hear John Mulaney as Spiderpig again

[@excalibur2772]

When Gwen tells Miguel maybe he should've been harder on him it is in jest

[@violetthebookcat7457]

Absolutely stunning movie!!!! I can’t wait for the third!!!

[@spritemon98]

It's been put on hiatus for the foreseeable future

[@mikechicago6200]

Great movie Hezu.....im excites for the 3rs film....which sadly wont be here for years....untill the striker's get thier fair due.

[@estefanostesfaye5301]

Miles Morales has truly grown in this movie I'm still shocked we got another movie but i guess it was always planned and I'm glad and i can say I've grown just like Miles both of us gotten mature i will always love this movie and Miles main reason to not fall down bc of Miles uncle Araon taught to keep going and that he's best of their family and on he's on his way and just keep going that's a great qoute

[@cherrycola542]

Gwen saying maybe Miguel wasn't hard enough wasn't actually genuine, it was poking at the fact that he was TOO hard on him

[@EsfingeCinza]

Hoe Bee ( hehe ) and Margo helping Miles right away is pure Black Teen Solidarity. They don't even know him, but the empathy Rits right off.

[@mileslugo6430]

I think all the parental Motifs were intentionally left in because as a movie for Miles it's sort of just the set up for the 2nd part he's even left on a cliff hanger, which I see as a nuisance. across the universe isn't about Miles' story not at first at least, the Spiderman across the universe Starts with Gwen's story and her story ends it the with her getting the band back together and reconciling with her Dad. Across the spiderverse is just as much about Gwen's loneliness and her communicating with her Dad as it is about Spots apotheosis (aren't you glad I didn't say Miles?)

[@171QA]

I cannot believe how well thought out this story was. It's made me hyped for sequel.

[@AndrewSnake]

Heres extra detail, spidey punk took a long time to animate , so can imagine how be for the rest if for one character gimmick took this long and the reshots/edits on top And consider the title and nature of multiverse and silver line of cannon event, i fill next part il go WAY and beyond what we expect ... and I'm not sure how il go , guess have to wait

[@spritemon98]

She has returned!!!!!

[@adolfopaezdiaz4371]

SHE'S BACK!!!

[@DanialTarki]

18:44 I can already hear the Scourge The Hedgehog flashbacks.

[@WhiteRaven696]

To answer your question about universes without spiders, I don’t know if this holds true for the Spider-Verse movies, but in the comics, there are certain Multiversal constants; every universe has a Spider, every universe has a Captain (America), and every universe has a Tony Stark (not necessarily Iron Man).

[@nightynight1479]

I actually have a small theory on why certain events (like Spot being around) and how the watches detect canons. In the film, Miguel explains the events with case files (which fun fact one of the case files is actually a reference to the original Spider-Man comics) meaning there are more than one type of canon event. I think what this means is that you don't exactly have to lose an uncle or someone like a Police chief to become Spider-Man, but across the ENTIRE Spider-Verse it is the one that happens the most so it's used as an example. I think that's also how the watches detect them too, by lining up events and matching it with previously established case files.

[@nightynight1479]

Jeff (Miles's dad) is falling into the same situations other police chiefs have had in the past. So the watches detect that and give off the alarm that an event may or may not take place. Now I don't think the watches can detect WHICH event will take place because each universe is vastly different while also still being similar in many ways. I think that's also why Gwen was kinda sitting back not only a little lost but more importantly was out of the way until Miles dived in to help out Pavitar. Like she didn't exactly know what was taking place at that moment for Pav but knew she couldn't interfere.

[@antoine1486]

I don’t think Gwen was saying to Miguel, “Maybe you weren’t hard enough in him (Miles)” in the sense of he should’ve been harder. She was calling out sarcastically how he was too hard on him which is why Miles couldn’t possibly receive his point of view. She was defending Miles through the whole conversation switching her persuasive techniques based on how Miguel reacted.

[@alphagproductions7322]

Earth 42 Miles is not a villain he's a vigilante like his uncle in this dimension

[@camk8856]

32:20 I think they should've had a villain in that universe say something like, "Hey, what the hell I was about to do something here, you idiot." To spot.

[@kermit1015]

I was wondering, if you have any ideas of making a review on elemental? And what your thoughts and ideas to fix the storyline would it be? Just curious to know.

[@spritemon98]

24:00 thats because thats the lego spiderman from the videogame

[@kykycupcake1]

Around 5:20 I feel like I need to chime in here In terms of Gwen yelling at Miguel for not being hard enough on Miles She was being sarcastic/facetious I understand for a lot of us who are neurodivergent or bad at social cues, this could be hard to read But she wasn't actually lecturing Miguel for not being hard enough on Miles It was a sarcastic jab

[@LilMizRandom09]

I managed to hear and understand all the characters. You're right that it might have been a theater issue. Also living near London I didn't have any trouble understanding Hobie Brown. The only issue was no one says Scooby-Doo. It's just Scooby. I dont have a scooby.

[@fortello7219]

Yeah, no. I was not surprised that he was in the wrong dimension. We got his dimension number before and it wasn't 42. Which was exactly what they showed when he used it.

[@Ahturos]

Really glad you liked the movie. I loved it too. So it´s easy to please me with it being the longest western animated movie. Just wow. I love the character work, how they interact, act diffrently, got layers. I do like the contrast between Miles goal in normal life and as Spider-man to Miquel. I am curious how this cannon thing is gonna be used. I am afraid becuse movies tends to have this in and not give a explanation or satesfying one. Sure it might look logical they have to follow cannon and Miquel notice what connects the Spider-people. But that´s why I find it wierd he meets anyone who have´t gone through most if not all thier cannon events. Did he tell Indian Spiderman? Did he think he could delay or prevent it when he decided to try both becuse either he loses Gayatri´s father or he loses her becuse she is his Gwen. I think most Spider-people can have some diffrence like how Peter in Gwen´s world is her Gwen lose but in Into the Spider-verse part of her backstory she mentioned how she saved her father so I actually I am not sure if Peter is her Uncle Ben moment. And sure maybe Miquel faked it becuse he did´t want to tell Miles that he was an anomoly or Miles by becoming Spider-man sort of carries the cannon he had his Uncle die. And it´s confusing too becuse they jump dimension but not time. Now I am willing to ignore some details becuse I am sure many of this earths are similar but in diffrent times. Peni was from 3000 I think she said. I don´t need it to make perfect sense but I like it to be explained enough. Many think Miquel on purpose lies or for some reason they are all blind to The Spot. Even after Mumbattan they still don´t prioretize him. So I am curious if Beyond will have Gwen and the band in 42 or his dimendion fighting Spot. Or if Miquel and the others will fight Spot. Now I don´t think 42 Miles is evil but he dose´t hesitate to kill. It looks like they will explain a lot of his history so be ready if they do like they did with Gwen here so we get what 42 Mile has been through and we will see what our Miles have to go through dose he have to beat himself or make peace? I belive ally but who will get him so that he can face Spot? And I wonder what Miquels end goal will be. Many 2099 fans are mad he was the antagonist but I see him as way deeper and complex than that. There are hope for him yet and that would´t feel cheap, even Spot I think they will come to a head. Anyway I am sad to hear about the struggling work hours they put on the animators. To ad things 3 months before the movie realeases. Like yeah you decide during the animatic, maybe some pre-render but if they mean fully animate like it was finished. No absolutely not you don´t do that. I don´t belive the budget 100 mil is correct for this movie. Now hopefully they make it better, I am glad to hear they had so many working 1000 but that 100 had to jump is sad and I don´t know how payment is meet if they get part pay. I don´t want my favorite movies to be the source of people loosing hope and burn out. That gose against what this movie is about.

[@bingo784]

Everybody obsessing over Miquel's "Canon" bullshit: Me: Y'all niggas do know he's off his rocker, right?

[@thefluffynerd95]

I think Mlies canon event is not his dad dying, but mom might, two reasons 1: He had more screen time with his mom. 2: In the original ultimate comic run she died. That just my theory for Beyond the Spiderverse.

[@GmineBru]

11:22 I reamber seeing a comment that Jesse's baby dieing might be a cannon event which is why she fights with it I forgot what vidoe I saw it on

[@elizabethk007]

My favorite movie of the year!

[@mrcwillis6970]

People could on forever about why this is another masterpiece.