Action Rake Modifacation Pt1

[@howardyounger5456]

I use to weld for 28 years in fact . I was a weld inspector for 12 years . How they welded the bracket on the tubing seem all wrong to me .I would have put plates under the brackets , or used heavier tubing . What they did wrong is weld against the grain of the steel . Be careful when you weld to weld with the grain . I like your videos they are very fun to watch. Thank you .

[@jayburton8560]

Good video I enjoy watching them day to day

[@janvandenbos7085]

I t hink that's a very good idea Wes, right Tim, it makes it much stronger.....💪

[@Tf9500]

It will be nice to see the finished product. It reminds me of a Chucky tractor build video, if its half as strong as his tractor frame it will hold together!!

[@arnoldcustom]

finally someone that has the know how to take a flex out of something, you cant beat a truss, a truss is were you weld on stand off any were from 6" to a foot a part and weld on another peace of tubing, pipe, channel, what have you, same way they build a bridge, I see far to many video's of even welder in the trade just scab on a flat bar and call it good, its no dam good, you have the right idea I be leave, if I am under standing your plan, I been a class A welder and fabricator for over 30 years, I hate having to go in after and re-do others half ass attempts

[@carjacker0]

adjust the clevis on the end of the ram so frame doesn't bend when opening up , job done . you start welding that beam all on 1 side it will bow like the beam in the old baler.

[@jedadruled984]

How about letting the big fat cilinder goin a bit slower ? with a washer with little hole in the tubes

[@rbrtcrowther]

You could drill 1" holes along the box section then slide another thick walled box section inside that one and plug weld it. Grind them nicely and paint. Invisible modification. Perhaps gusset out from each side of the bracket where the ram pushes too..

[@Quicksilver282]

Good idea

[@BrotherJohn-mz4qe]

When those wear out have you considered the Kuhn Speed Rake 2? I ran mine over 300 Acers last year and didn't have a bit if trouble. I just gave 6500 for mine.

[@skyking228]

Just tip the rake up and fill the tube with concrete. Small aggregate and a little CaCl2 for fast drying/curing.

[@joetiller1031]

One mans junk is another mans treasure. a scrap man came by my farm other day wanting scrap iron I told him I had plenty but he would have to wait until I quit farming I'm still using it to farm with, so Mr. Koop maybe Wes is still using it.

[@buffranchAB]

Just not sure if I would go ahead with that mod my young friend, its on warranty, and give them a call and see what they have come up with. You paid good money for that rake, just to start bubblegumming a wicked thought, that I think you're on the right track, however it is not needed. H&S can work with you on that project. I really like your ambition tho! Not scared to do some shit

[@peterjames2004]

put a flow reducer valve in the pipe line to slow the lift down so not so much stress on the frame

[@keithjeasser3918]

Why would you do that when there is a speed control on the scv?

[@Iciielitez]

+Keith Jeasser Some tractors do some don't.

[@keithjeasser3918]

+Edward Shen Huh? All of Wes tractors do

[@Iciielitez]

+Keith Jeasser Most of his large tractors do. The smaller stuff doesn't have that kind of stuff.

[@jbmbanter]

+peter james I had the same suggestion thinking about flow and overall pressure. I'm sure Wes likes the fact that it jumps up but if it jumps and bends the frame that is not good. :)

[@martyrand9441]

Would slowing down the hydraulic action help?

[@chadengemann8237]

that's the same thing that I was thinking too. he uses 140 plus or minus hp tractors to rake with when this rake only needs 50 hp. the larger tractors may have too much hydraulic flow.

[@aaronmcloud608]

+Chad Engemann that's what he needs to do!

[@aaronmcloud608]

Put an in-line diverter on that's adjustable, you can get it at any hydraulic shop

[@w056007568]

+Marty Rand Look back at the beginning of this video, he mentions that he likes the quick pick up and put down at the end and beginning of the swaths so that it does not become tangled in the headland swaths and make a mess. I get the impression they rake at quite a quick speed so quick lift and drop action is important for a clean finish.

[@emildekoven4872]

The splayed wheels suggest that as the locus of needed improvement..... But, you looked at the improved versions of the same equipment as well as other designs.....!?!!? All the best!

[@sledheadchris]

hey wes I got a couple questions about your rake mods. why not move your cylinder to the pivots on the end then add another to the other side so your not stressing the middle of the tube and your using the "hinges" to take the force... that was it won't have and possible way on bending and then toeing out your wheels

[@evanyoung6965]

+onelonleyfarmer you should do a cold start video on your newholland combine

[@jankotze1959]

+Evan Young I was also asked for that a year or so back, he ones mentioned that he start it up ones in a while. It will be awesome.

[@clearingbaffles]

have you considered adding an orifice in line to slow down the lift

[@theokusters7491]

Hi Wes, why don't you try to solve the problem hydraulic: like a damper (nitro-ball) or a restrictor? I think it is because the oil flow from the John deere is to great, which causes a sudden force on the structure. Just an idea.

[@OkieDoke18]

yea that 7810 scv is putting out alot of pressure he needs something like a 5525 pulling them rakes.

[@Junior-oe3hp]

+OkieDoke18 i pullthe action rake w a 5065e and it works amazing

[@Iciielitez]

+OkieDoke18 They all produce around the same pressure which is about 2900 psi. What should be done is that the hydraulic flow should be reduced. Either on the tractor or an inline flow reducer.

[@raykrv6a]

+Edward Shen That's exactly what I was thinking.......

[@daveslusser6802]

Would a heavy wall n steel pipe work better Wes? Instead of a square tube!

[@zachstone1939]

i do cnc plasma cutting and could cut and ship at cost if you ever need anything

[@datbomb98]

looks like a good idea Wes

[@Quicksilver282]

Grinding on a brand new piece of equipment. Ballsy! Are u going to do this to the other rake too?

[@alexl8550]

By making that improvement won't that void the warranty?

[@tmx864]

I would almost bet that a lot of the frame twisting problems is from the leverage of the wings swinging back and forth when traveling down the road. It needs a cradle to sit in when folded that would transfer weight onto the tongue and take the whipping force off the main rock shaft beam

[@brianlaforge1792]

why don't you slide a tube inside that tube and cut hole on outside and weld two together and end

[@emusliderz3587]

Have you done anything with the TR70?

[@jst245]

what white machine is that at 3:25 and where it used for??

[@ih1206]

It's an old granular fertilizer spreader. He rebuilt one with stainless parts a while back. That may have been a parts machine.

[@Blazer02LS]

You could add steel inside the tube. Or how about adding a third hinge right above the lift cylinder, that would eliminate the flex right at the source.

[@LUNITICWILL]

i wouldn't be surprised if the company that makes the those rakes, adds that little modification if it works

[@SledgeHammer43]

I would have used angle iron and boxed over the original beam. Welding it to the original beam doubling the strength and thickness of the original beam. I would have to remove the arms and also welded the attachment points to the additional iron.

[@imchris5000]

+Don Hanson moving the original mounts opens a huge can of worms moving all that stuff just slightly

[@SledgeHammer43]

+imchris5000 you don't have to move the mounts just cut slots for them to go through.

[@SledgeHammer43]

+imchris5000 that way you actually are doubling the mounted weld and attached area.

[@ggottlander]

Whould you not like a plasma cutter? seems cheaper and easyer to torch with that :)

[@dannyhildebrand7828]

is the beam hallow or solid

[@cowanfarmscustom5339]

Where did you get your hat???

[@rlashbrook6865]

Glad you got rain

[@splitchest9566]

Don't forget to paint it YELLOW just to confuse the New Holland, Case IH, Heston, watchers...........

[@skyking228]

+splitchest 95 They are already confused...

[@emildekoven4872]

Is this "rake" sometimes called a "swather"?

[@onelonleyfarmer]

No it's a rake the swather is in the shed

[@kevinroberts8021]

can you do a walk around the tr 70

[@theokusters7491]

If it was my TR70 I would strip it a little bit down and build a cutterbar header on it , like Wes just bought..

[@andrewkiwi1]

For the strengthening gusset how about 3 or 4 inch angle iron (open side ) against the rear edge of the box section which will make a triangular cross section. A triangle is stronger than a box.

[@0124vcummins]

I would trade out for some radial tires anyway I work for a company that sells those tires and the over sell them saying they will do this and that and they don't so that might help make em last longer and with your trusses will help a lot as well

[@sledheadchris]

or add another hinge at the cylinder?

[@kaurkoop]

im a long time viewer and love the vids, but i have a question/idea : Why does your farm look like a freaking junkjard ?

[@paulc8581]

That's all farms

[@gfpd2722]

No they dont. Lots were cleaned up when scrap prices were high.

[@peterbiltxr379]

+kaur kööp parts or may go back to needing it if fixable or just back to that type of farming. if you got the space to keep stuff might as as well

[@steveducell2158]

+kaur kööp he has a large scrap yard because of the "accidents" that he incurs. Just go through the videos and you will see that on a regular basis. Off the top of my head he has had a couple of fires, an electric pole was hit knocking out a transformer, buries his equipment in mud holes, pulls them out in the wrong direction, and if you really look, you will notice that he pushes his equipment right to the limit ( if not beyond ). You would almost think that there is a dark cloud just over his head. But, it is entertaining. If you want the opposite watch "How Farms work"

[@onelonleyfarmer]

+steve ducell go fuck yourself lol every farmer breaks equipment I am the only one that posts it on KZbin of coarse its entertaining it's life in the fast lane of farming. How farms work is a cool channel too but he is more cautious about what he posts and only farms 1/4 of what I do.

[@huskerfan9412]

Onelonleyfarmer check out rowse rakes in central Nebraska, good quality rakes they are very popular around here

[@abechad79]

Mr pandy why wouldn't you just slid a heavy tube in the inside and plug weld it

[@buffranchAB]

+Chad Abel better plan if it is do-able. and of course anything is!

[@watahyahknow]

so you want strength between the raise cilinder and the hinges wat I would do is taper cut the box section end to end so you end up up with two equal pieces and weld the open end to the original boxsection on the rake with the taper going to the hinges www.mcdonaldbrosracing.com.au/images/backbrace.jpg it be about as strong as you can make it with the least amount of weight still have to deal with the twisting itself ........it might help to remove the big lift cilinder and replace it with two smaller ones mounted straight under the hinges , to put them there you need to add on cilinderbrackets to the hinge brackets to hold the cilinders it will transfer the load to the sides of the pullframe instead of the main towbar and you need balljoints in the front of the hydraulic cilinder to be able to mount the cilinders under and angle under that frame or build outriggers so they mount straight across from the hinges with the two cilinder under the hinges the pull is supported by the hingehalves on both sides and the frame simply whont bend unless one of the wheels gets stuck and you use a lot of force to pull it out might not even need to brace the beam after that mod

[@jbmbanter]

If it's out of sight from the public I see no problem with it. I'm with some of the rest and will say when you are trying to farm, repairing equipment and managing the financial aspects of a farm then cleaning up the junk is probably not high on the list.

[@fireguy340]

Just remove the center cylinder. There is really no need for it. Our Kuhn rakes don't have it.

[@robbiegable3888]

take that bale put in one of your ditches to reduce soil erosion

[@JohnDeerefan-fo1qp]

just wait until your ready to bale this year and Go around the field breaking up that old one, re bale it in bits and mix it with better hay,

[@f0rumrr]

I still dont understand what the point of that hydraulic cylinder is.

[@gubb73485]

+f0rumrr it rotates the bar ( the one Wes wants to reinforce) that is connected to the wheels, forward and back to lift it up and down

[@kevinwillis9126]

wes you called it channel iron is it not box section ???.. should be good and strong anyway...

[@calebbisson4577]

they should replace that beam with a big ass pipe with a plate welding ontop

[@karjack11]

if i was you i wouldnt even risk it, just cut all the arms and fingers off that beam and replace it with a heavier one. its literally just a few fingers and arms to re weld.

[@timidater4803]

hope h+s sees this, if it was my company I would want to make it right and change future builds to solve the problem

[@hkk0145]

why do americans use such different hayrakes? In europe almost everyone uses rotary rakes.

[@matthewshaw3718]

He said in an old video he had a Kuhn in the past but it fell to pieces, he thinks they are all to weak. We manage to do 1000s of acres with them trouble free. The ground does seems rough over there tho, and they don't harrow and roll to level and push the stones in

[@JohnDeerefan-fo1qp]

I've been asking him for years why is he still working in the stone age in terms of his rakes! in Europe them kinda rakes disappeared thirty years ago and have been replaced with rotary rakes. and our ground over here is a lot more challenging than his, not to mention our grass grows better and is harvested when it's a lot heavier!

[@keithjeasser3918]

Americans are way behind ...they don't even have pickup hitches

[@jonlowe8727]

just buy a krone rake. perfect for you.

[@bryang9095]

That's a H-S for ya!! Get a Kuhn rake their built a lot better!! See if u can get them to demo one!!

[@ghilreese3413]

1"X3" welded on edge across the back should stop it.

[@B.E.Long.63]

OK now repeat that what's your plan...lmao...

[@buffranchAB]

I just hate f effing up a nice looking piece of iron, sandblast and paint to make look good again, or look like p.o.s. Just frustrates me to no end.

[@advandervelden1588]

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[@Tf9500]

It will be nice to see the finished product. It reminds me of a Chucky tractor build video, if its half as strong as his tractor frame it will hold together!!

[@sledheadchris]

or add another hinge at the cylinder?