The Ultimate Graphics Card for a Beige G3 PowerMac

[@Starscr34m76]

No core image on the 9200 so no acceleration

[@harryTees]

Try enabling Quartz Extreme. By default on Tiger "Quartz Extreme" only works on AGP cards, but it could be soft enabled in the OS. Core Image would have been nice to have but the 9200 can't do it at all. A flashed Nvidia Fx5200 PCI would be an amazing upgrade for that machine + the software mod for PCI cards.

[@Shiunbird]

I think the FX5200 won’t boot OS 9 though.

[@MrKillswitch88]

The last time I mac flashed anything it was a ATI 9700 or a 9800 pro for a G5 and kinda amazing how much those cards have gone up in value especially the 9800 XT.

[@anthonyla]

I flashed an Fx5200 and it runs great.. on the B&W G3. I don't recall having any luck running it on the Beige but I admittedly didn't try to make XPostFacto run it. Core Image would be partially supported, but the Fx5200 doesn't fully support it so you miss out on some things, apparently. You miss out on the Leopard translucent menu bar, for instance. :(

[@Shiunbird]

@@anthonyla But you get the wave effect on the dashboard WOOHOO =)))

[@VK2FVAX]

There's a util I use called "PCIExtreme" that enables it for PCI cards. I've got a 9250 I've flashed. Works 'slightly' better than the 9200 MacEdition I have when I benchmark the thing.

[@Mikertt]

I have a similar setup to yours. Beige G3 Minitower with the Sonnet 500 MHz G4 processor, 768 MB of RAM, and the ATI Radeon 9200 card. Did you have any trouble with some extension conflicts on OS 9.2.2? I had to turn off 2 extensions for the ATI 8500 and Rage 128 in extensions manager because the computer would boot to the desktop and freeze every single time with the 9200 installed. Only reason I have the 9200 was because my Radeon 7000 card died last year and I needed something as good or better and found someone selling a Mac Edition on eBay at the time. Great videos as always!

[@JessicaFEREM]

gotta love open source projects and software. it's amazing to see that many years after the g3, there's still things you can buy to make an old G3 boot with an SSD from this year.

[@ajslim79]

it looks like from 0.25 FPS to 0.38 FPS :D - it is not 1 FPS though

[@ActionRetro]

🤣

[@Zadkiel343]

And because he didn't note the bitrate it was trying to playback on the old card, there's no way to know if any framerate increase is from the hardware change or just because the youtube player decided to switch to a lower bitrate.

[@ajslim79]

@@Zadkiel343 second video incoming then.. ..

[@dbozan99]

Watching videos in the browser is going to be CPU-only unless there is Hardware Acceleration, which it didn't look like there was. You'd be much better off using 3D games for benchmarks, although you'd likely see much better performance in OS 9 (with proper drivers, here: gona.mactar.hu/ATI_Mac/ don't forget the hotfix), instead of OS X. Also, GeekBench is only a CPU benchmark, none of the image-related stuff is being done on the GPU.

[@beardedgaming1337]

for the life of me i cant get my 9200 to work in my 6360 under 9.2. have you ever tried this configuration? also has a L2 G3 card

[@hippyraverocker]

Can you please benchmark the SSD? Curious what kind of read write performance you get.

[@macinjosh2223]

KZbin is too heavy nowadays. Sometimes my modern computers struggle with it

[@gp3328]

The radeon in the early 2008 mac pro is a great xp gaming card!

[@cdoublejj]

you know if you add 5 mm of washers that fan would get more air flow. yes it will have gap that allows it suck in some of it's own air but, those are holes are so damn restrictive it'll still grab air from near by holes. i'm a little more balls to walls and use hole saws which is also an option but, not likley one you'll opt for

[@thejpkotor]

wow, this machine is really upgraded within an inch of it's life. I relly loved this macine, but remeber that I ultimately got rid of it because it was so difficult to get newer hardware to run with it, especially in OS 9.

[@kjdickson]

I have the Radeon 9200 Mac in my 6500/300 with a G3 L2 card from Sonnet. OS9 performance is spectacular.

[@madeleinemcandrews6712]

Great video 😀 ... I’m super fond of my beige G3s. All I have to do now is find some Vintage Mac nerds close by to have a Descent LAN party.

[@ActionRetro]

Haha yes Descent LAN party sounds awesome lol

[@masonthedunce3711]

Damn that machine is a beauty

[@macmuchmore1]

You can add quarts extreme by running PCI Extreme 3.1 and enabling it for PCI video cards. macOS normally only implements it on AGP graphics cards.

[@bryandrobny7690]

I wonder if there is any way to get a fan on the cpu 😕

[@invictus0x0]

if you use a YT to mpeg converter site, you could watch things in full motion. as I'm fairly certain that that card, and most of that area had hardware mpeg/mpeg2 decoding to support dvd playback.

[@JamesLyons-d5z]

Also the GF6200 was limited to a 64bit VRAM interconnect to the GPU, so is very memory bandwidth limited. It should be possible to use a PCI to PCI-E bridge and get ATI and nVidia PCI-E cards working in the Beige, but the PCI 33 max bandwidth of 133MB/s would become the limiting factor. The Beige G3 has jumpers that can be set to overclock the PCI bus and that would add some performance. I have all the equipment so let me know if anyone is still interested and I'll run some tests.

[@anthonyla]

This channel suddenly popped up in my KZbin homepage and this video caught my eye. I'm inspired by how you decked this out; I somehow stumbled across a G4 upgrade that I think may have originated from OWC? Got that on a 66 MHz bus with 533 MHz clock. I've even managed to get Leopard running on it with a bit of help from XPostFacto (and some guide in the past) so maybe you should give that a shot! Envious about that 1 GHz processor though. Was thinking I'd deck mine out a little more - so I gotta ask, where'd you source the PCI SATA controller from?

[@draggonhedd]

How does KZbin Playback work with VLC? VLC can play youtube streams

[@chriscalderon1337]

Have you tried SMTube on this machine? It's not the whole KZbin experience but if you just want to watch content on KZbin it is much more smooth.

[@chriscalderon1337]

Also try Xbench for the benchmark.

[@jeremytravis360]

I always find these videos fun because I have tried some of the upgrades myself. When it comes to ATI graphics cards I always installed the software drivers for the video cards fist. This is sometimes essential when you run an ATI 256 Mb Video card in Classic. They do include the drivers with the card on CD.

[@Jasontyo]

You sir have inspired me to put an SSD in my 17" powerbook. Oh the rabbitholes. Thanks?

[@EJ160E]

what model 4:3 lcd monitor is that???

[@smarfie]

Hey Action Retro! Love your channel. What monitor are you using here?

[@glitchedmac]

What's the monitor? Fits so well into the design language of these legacy Macs.

[@JapanPop]

Unleashed the beast again, eh?

[@danaeckel]

Pretty cool, I would be curious to see what it can do cranked open with games and other software. Also Linux performance.

[@maytizevb]

its this the final?

[@danielrhodes7594]

I have a question for you about the video card. I found a 9600 that has 256mb of memory. Can the memory be taken off the 9600 and be put on the 9200 and it recognize the 256mb?

[@corruptedsave482]

I'm 80% sure that KZbin is slow due to the CPU and not GPU I don't know for sure as I have not done this myself. I think it is something todo with the CPU or even Mac OS X since with the same GPU on a Windows XP PC KZbin plays just fine. With my G4 MDD I have not done anything to help with KZbin as I only really use it to play older Mac games so I cant say fore sure that its the CPU and if I'm wrong feel free to tell me what it is as I am curious about it.

[@ActionRetro]

I think you're right

[@another3997]

Mac OS X for PowerPC doesn't support hardware acceleration for anything beyond Mpeg 2. So KZbin etc, won't be accelerated. Obviously support was added to newer versions of MacOS, but those only ran on Intel based Macs. So PPC CPUs have to decode KZbin in software, without any help from the GPU, which is much slower.

[@danielortizdecaracas]

how to install 10.4 on mac g3 beige?

[@joshuarichards2421]

I managed a monster hack along these lines... is appears that the DIP8 BIOS chips on 2000-2005 era PC motherboards can be used to replace the ROM chips on PC versions of these 9200 PCI cards... The bios chip is usually 512k or 1M, MORE than enough space for the full 128k mac rom. A DIP8 socket, and a SOP8 to DIP8 adapter will let you upgrade the roms on these cards, and even make them swappable, so with a resistive dip switch on the MAC/PC selector resistor, you can have a Hybred PC/MAC card. My beige G3 is catching up... Just need that sonnet card next.

[@onigvd77]

fullscreen video should playback better under usual circumstances, but its not often possible on older browsers and hardware for some reason

[@poppasteve2976]

I had a beige G3 years ago, and I flashed a pc Voodoo 3 for it. The only upgrade I ever gave it.

[@Mikertt]

Very cool! I also have a beige G3, but in the mini tower form factor. Got 768 mb of RAM along with a Sonnet Encore G4 processor upgrade at 500 MHz. Also bought a Radeon 9200 to put in after the Radeon 7000 card died on me this past winter.

[@danielortizdecaracas]

drivers for this card where?

[@sleora]

For Minecraft, have you tried using TLauncher ? It's a Minecraft launcher compatible with a lot of versions of Windows or Mac or Linux ? Until now, I could only play up to Minecraft 1.14.2 on my Windows XP VM, but now, I can play the lastest version (1.16.5) just fine even with ForgeOptifine (included in the versions selection bar). You should try it. Support : macOS 10.7.3 and Higher

[@mbe102]

You should try and add ublock origin, so a bunch of animated ad's aren't playing and hogging system resources. I don't Mac, but on my Retro PC's Adblockers help a TON!

[@patrickm.9822]

Very nice Upgrade. I have the this 9200 in my B&W running with OS 9.2.2. But for OS 9.2.2 you need to install ATI drivers first. Q3A is running great at highest resolution with a beautiful DVI Cinema Display (A1081). Love this machine, with 1GB RAM and SATA SSD you can have a lot of fun running classic Mac games... But I was not able to activate QuarzExtreme on 10.4.11, does someone know how to do that?

[@danielortizdecaracas]

my g3 beige not shown video

[@benTi900]

How do you feel knowing that TenFourFox is being discontinued?

[@athurV1]

Hi ,i like watching your channel . what yotube playback resolution did u set to & does the mac have the max ram or could you add more ?

[@cdoublejj]

there are some forums posts some where with an ass ton of internal settings to switch on and off in ten four fox for performance improvements, maybe you have done them already?

[@mustasheolll2020]

Runs really fast for a 1997 computer running a OS 10 years newer than its age.

[@erichilgart2865]

Ah! I guess now with 128MB it’s time to benchmark some games like I mentioned on the other post! In addition to that stuff, would be fun to see: - ZIP 250 drive upgrade - 20” AppleVision/ColorSync 850AV for ultimate the ultimate display or 14” Apple AudioVision display for playing games and DVDs (and the rips with VLC) - but especially StarCraft and Sim City 3000z - Trying to get Leopard installed for fun. - Testing Office v.X and Office 2008 vs latest LibreOffice performance

[@UpLateGeek]

Interdasting. Gotta get some games on that thing, that should show off the performance pretty well. Or perhaps try playing differently encoded videos using a dedicated video player program (did they make VLC for G4?). I think others have mentioned that the 9200 only supports hardware decoding MPEG-2, and even G5s struggled with HD video playback. Anyway, I'm curious about performance because I just bought a G4 mac mini (1st gen), which has a Radeon 9200 built-in. Only 32MB though, so I don't expect gaming performance would be amazing. But the fact that geek bench can't assess graphics performance is pretty terrible, so it would be interesting to see how it performs in games that were around back then.

[@bamdadkhan]

does your new GPU have proper os 9 drivers? i'm looking to upgrade the rage 128 in my yikes G4 but there's really not a lot of info about working cards on the internet anywhere..

[@ActionRetro]

Yes this card supports OS9 out of the box, but resultions are limited

[@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs]

Great Video Sean Nice To See The Improvement In The Beige Beast Yes Let's Get The Snow Leopard Beta On it Great Video. Regarding Your Cube Mine Is Also Going Thru Another Major Upgrade It Will Be Running At 1.5GHZ It Should Run Snow Leopard Beta Much Better Just Waiting For The Gentlemen To Ship it To Me Will Have A Video Out On It In The Future Some Time

[@daspec]

Get rid of all the IDE cables. Replace the obsolete ZIP drive with a beige USB card reader. Replace the CF card reader with a DOM straight on the IDE bus. Replace the ATAPI DVD with a modern SATA (and put a biege faceplate to match the case color). That would complete the pimp-my-MAC ! Your major bottleneck problem is the older 66MHz PCI bus, unlike the later 133MHz

[@bryandrobny7690]

That would be a great classic gaming rig with the 128 mb graphics card

[@KomradeMikhail]

Try an app that runs Yootoob vids natively instead of in a Web Browser. Even modern low spec machines have trouble with the browser version.

[@cdoublejj]

i saw one for PPC mac but, i'ts alpha/not really working yet

[@flyproductions3225]

There should be even a better option: A flashed GeForce 6200 PCI. I have one of those and also a Beige. But the card needs a G4 to work. So i get one pulled of a graphite tower in a few days and will give it a try.

[@drzeissler]

R128 is directly supported on some old OS9 software! That's why I löove it in my G4-Cube :)

[@edwardecl]

It's a CPU bottleneck not a GPU bottleneck, those old cards have no video decoding abilities.

[@another3997]

Yes they do have video decoding abilities, just not the more modern video codecs used by KZbin etc. You can check the card's specs online, and the MacOS support for hardware decoding.

[@Beige1997]

Great video as always! Too bad Leopard won’t run on this machine, I would be curious to see how TenFiveTube would run.

[@steaker-gi9uw]

When you configure your OS in xpostfacto it asks for a video card, so I assume thats why it got confused and threw that error. In Tiger I noticed that quartz extreme was not supported. I don't think Tiger has the video drivers for that card, and I bet if you downloaded the ATI drivers you'd get frames per second in youtube instead of seconds per frame. I think this is the right one: macintoshgarden.org/apps/ati-radeon-9200-driver-cd-rom

[@ActionRetro]

Thanks!

[@Afsafs123]

This machine would make a pretty decent Halo machine, I think. That video card is more than Halo needs anyway, the G4 might be the bottleneck. I tried 1080p Halo on my G5 machine and it was okay-ish, I was surprised it even ran at all. Halo 1 mac LAN party video in the future?

[@ActionRetro]

Love this, I'm definitely going to try!

[@Afsafs123]

@@ActionRetro I just looked it up and apparently the system requirements say a 32 meg AGP card. So now I'd be really interested to see it running on a PCI card with better vram/clock speeds.

[@segaprophet]

@@Afsafs123 I've played Halo 1 on a G3/400 and this same GPU, it's quite playable.

[@FadingBulb57227]

Nice job on the powermac g3 desktop or should I say powermac g4 desktop

[@JoaoVitor-cw2vg]

Can you pick a powermac 9500 and max it out and make it run leopard? (G4 cpu upgrade, 1,5gb of ram, sata, usb, vídeo card) would be interesting if it could do some modern things

[@ActionRetro]

Yeah I would love to do that!

[@JoaoVitor-cw2vg]

Action Retro can you do it with your beige g3? Or isn’t possible?

[@emersonwsm]

The best PCI graphics card for Mac OS 10.4 is the Nvidia FX5500 which offers Quartz Extreme acceleration, but does not support 3D acceleration on Mac OS 9.

[@DavideNastri]

Is this better than voodoo 3?

[@another3997]

Yes.

[@01302]

Time for an update?

[@plattcriceta1719]

You can cope with KZbin once you have AdBlock and Noscript installed to selectively disable gstatic and googlesyndication and so on. PiHole also helps. BTW Systemprofiler clearly reported CoreImage / QuartzExtreme NOT SUPPORTED.

[@TheMetalMag]

awesome, give me an idea for my 7200

[@danielson9579]

Pci shares bandwidth better off just having the gfx card there and making sure hardware acceleration is on in the browser 🙂👍

[@mrlovespread2006]

do you know what benchmarks pay attention to image stuff? GAMES! where are the games? I was hoping to see some gaming going on here with that card!

[@another3997]

Not ALL benchmarks need to "pay attention" to games. Computers are used for many other things too.

[@TheMelbournelad]

Ahhh I remember rebuilding my pc to move from ide to Sata

[@LossMiImKraut]

you ever came around installing the "impossible cat?" --> if not, try Sorbet Leopard --> that's the cat to have your beige G4 roar imnsho. 🙂 That is, if you haven't already done so. ;)

[@draggonhedd]

SO you have to install the drivers first, and do the necessary modifications before you install the card and it will take a white to initialize the new card. If you zap the pram or nvram after it will take a while to re-initialize the card on boot. I ran into the same issue installing one in my powercenter pro. Also if you have a spare open PCI slot you should stick one of these in there, add some more airflow into the case. www.ebay.com/itm/New-Evercool-SB-F1-FOX-1-Guided-Missile-PCI-Slot-System-Cooling-Fan-42-CFM/400534742699?hash=item5d41bb26ab:g:zQYAAOSwdm1bKI75

[@atptourfan]

This one was a bit frustrating to watch as a new video card was never going to help with youtube playback, since there's no hardware decoding possible. YT is bogged down by javascript and software AV decode, so your CPU will still choke on it. Play Marathon 2 or something and compare frame rates.

[@another3997]

Yes, KZbin wasn't a suitable benchmark for a PPC based Mac. And without Core Image support in that GPU, there wasn't going to be a huge improvement in the OS either. Sean has remedied this in later videos.

[@euleausberlin]

Force YT to use Flash for much better playback.

[@olivervukusic2911]

I think you forgot some RGB lighting 😏

[@ActionRetro]

🤣🤣🤣

[@g3monster89]

Look out for a nvidia fx5200 pci card. It will allow you hardware acceleration and is the true best card for the beige g3. You can get the pc card for basically nothing and flash it to work on a mac. Also I noted that it looks like the drivers are not properly loaded as the 9200 definitely supports quartz extreme however it is listed as unsupported in system profiler

[@ActionRetro]

Thank you!

[@ottf24]

Did you reload the video drivers for the card... www2.ati.com/drivers/macosx-ati-displays-4-5-7.dmg

[@pochopsp]

another thing you can do to make tenfourfox faster is to disable browser history.

[@cromulence]

KZbin... frankly any kind of web browsing is gonna be downright ugly on any PowerPC machine. Also I imagine the biggest problem on this machine is the horrendously slow 66MHz system bus. The chip performs better on a 166MHz mainboard and AGP helps too as PCI graphics have severely limited bandwidth in comparison.

[@alexdhall]

I used a dual G4 desktop as my desktop at a internship around 2005-2006. It had its struggles with Adobe flash and early KZbin. Though video was actually watchable compared to this....🤔

[@cromulence]

@@alexdhall I used a PIII-450 as late as 2009 for some web browsing and it was pretty fast. Since then, the web has gotten far more bloated and bogged down, not just on page, but with HTTPS encryption too.

[@dennisp.2147]

This is why I prefer PC's... Everything just works.

[@another3997]

That's certainly NOT my experience of older PCs. Especially in any version of Windows before XP. Modern PCs tend to "just work", with recent technologies, but then so do modern Macs. Older computers and operating systems do not always "just work" with new hardware and software, or vice-versa. Try running Windows 11 on an old PC that has anything below a 6th gen Core CPU. Or old components and peripherals in newer computers. The lack of updated drivers and changing standards mean many things won't work in newer computers or OS.

[@dennisp.2147]

@@another3997 My wife runs Windows Entertainment pack (from 1993 Windows 3.0) on her 32 bit Windows 10 machine. Natively. Try running a System 7 program natively on your Macintosh. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but in this case you are wrong. Macs are notorious for their never-ending succession of differing peripherals and interfaces. Incompatible internal expansion standards and non-industry compliance. I'm currently running an HP USB scanner that I bought new in 2001. It runs perfectly in Windows 10. Similarly a Xerox color laser printer from the early '00s. I can plug Dot matrix printers from 1985 into the Parallel port on my PC. If have a machine without a legacy port, they make adapter cards. Can you show me a plug in PCI-E adb card? or something that will let a modern Mac use a Nu-Bus card? Living in a walled garden where every thing supposedly "just works" puts you at the tender mercy of sociopaths like Steve Jobs, who can force you to buy a completely new set of peripherals and chargers every 5 years.

[@lup6483]

Can it run gta 3?

[@sur_shrimpster]

I wish you put it in the g4 cube

[@ThePsychoticWombat]

The cube has an AGP Interface, this card is PCI

[@5thaltaccount547]

Someone on MacRumors was able to slightly modify an AGP GeForce 6200 ROM to work on a PNY GeForce 6200 PCI, yes regular PCI. This person claims that the kexts use G4 instructions but it does boot and startup on a G3 but crashes because of lack of instructions of the G3. No one knows how he did it, nobody ever asked how, I pan to take a look at multiple ROMs for same model of NVIDIA GPU being the AGP PC version, the AGP Mac version, and the PCI PC version.

[@ActionRetro]

Woah!

[@5thaltaccount547]

@@ActionRetro the reason why your GPU isn’t running much differently to the last is because Apple purposefully made PCI GPUs unable to have Quartz Extreme and Core Image enabled by default. You’ll have to modify the OS a small bit but it shouldn’t be much you’d need to do. With QE/CI enabled, performance should be a lot better. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGXTo41jot9-gq8 If this is the video I remember seeing, he has an entire guide linked, not sure if in a different language but translating it is always an option, I remember using Google Translate to get a guide for installing Mac OS X Leopard on my Apple TV 1st Gen.

[@jaybrooks1098]

That is not a mac edition card. That is a reflashed pc card. Mac edition cards have black or grey video plugs. No blue on a real mac card.

[@TNTUP]

Am I blind or at 11:28 "'Machine Speed: 1.50Ghz" but the About this Computer says 1.05Ghz or 1.0Ghz... I guess it inverted the 0 and 5 XD

[@thewallduck2022]

It says 1.50 ghz ur not blind

[@FlanGaming]

Why not compare GPUs with Openmark?

[@koztech]

Ha ha! Your hand gestures at the end almost exactly mimicked the ones in the G4 Cube video you had playing in the background! But yeah, it's a shame KZbin can't run reasonably well on anything older. Heck, would it even work well on first-gen Intel Mac's? (getting ideas now lol) Too bad they don't have a low-end version of the site so these older machines could get some use out of them other than playing retro games and other nostalgia. Just lave it on in the background while you're doing something else, give it to the kids to watch their stuff etc. Now I don't expect them to support a 68k-based Mac, a Pentium MMX PC, or even an Amiga 4000, but still.

[@amdintelxsniperx]

its not about the video card persay . its the fact OSX cannot use the altevac on the power pc hardware

[@another3997]

It's "Per Se" and "Altivec". And it's nothing to do with Altivec, it's lack of OS support for hardware decoding a modern codec using the GPU.

[@kimabg]

You should be able to get Leopard on there by following the Open Firmware steps here: www.theevilboss.com/blog/2010/11/28/installing-leopard-on-g4-cube

[@Mbro-dq2do]

The trick is turn off Ambient mode brother. Many of my old Macs. Not as old as this but Ambient mode was fucking it up

[@radcheckinski6300]

fx6200 PCI 512mb is the best possible card for a PCI based mac

[@ilhamrealamadhani3129]

I never interested to Mac before, and now i kinda interested, love your video mate

[@ActionRetro]

Thank you!

[@drzeissler]

Very silent machine, what have you done with the fan in the power supply?

[@RedmondMonk]

will the 9200 work with os9?

[@IoIxD]

Isn't there a program you can use to run KZbin more smoothly on old Mac?

[@angieandretti]

Yes, this is my favorite computer that you own too, and I'm one of those awful mac-hating PC people, lol - but this thing is really cool! I'm from the other camp but I have really enjoyed your upgrade videos. I also feel that Macs were more interesting when they still ran with the PowerPC architecture - they were unique in a way that was lost when they transitioned to x86. I wouldn't be caught dead with an iPhone but this thing could be a lot of fun to play with!

[@ActionRetro]

Thanks Angela! There is definitely something special about non-x86 architectecture computers.

[@paradoxmo]

Good thing they’re transitioning to non-Intel again then (:

[@victorfigueroa9385]

I feel that it would be hell installing Snow Leopard but at the same time, it would definitely be worth it. Another awesome vid, looking forward to the next!

[@ActionRetro]

Thanks man!!

[@CocoMark]

I am talking from Windows 8.1 on a virtual machine

[@EpicTyphlosionTV]

And I thought you could only do these kinds of upgrades to an Amiga

[@KabelkowyJoe]

1-2 FPS? It's odd i discovered somehow best GPU ever called GeForce 4 Go, Pentium M 1.1GHz in HP TC1100 plus LAV codec vs < 0.72 to be installed of K-Lite Codec Pack it enables DXVA it's able to display smoot video in 2022 of KZbin although in 240p. Mac should be able to play it?! It's more powerfull. I was able to watch iPad premiere on it 2010 on Safari 5 on Windows when YT was in Flash watched on 480p, it was awsome experience to be alive then. BTW. it's not issue with Flash this browser, but Safari itself while(1) loop in it to wait for data, to make it fastest browser but causing this browser to be CPU hungry if your internet is slow. It wasn't issue on desktop but you could tell using laptop. But i digress. Apple was always blaming everyone else for their fauts id this TC1100 experience gave me all knowlage i need. Later they removed Cover Flow of Safari and i removed this of all mine devices knowing how bad in fact this browser was. But in retrospect it was fun time.. Trough years I was able to run almost same machines all that time, its been 15 year now, to be daily driver up until 2019 since 2008 also mine mom PC with 1.8, 2, 3GHz, 4 core Athlon x2 then x4 640 so on so forth updated, mine Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Intel GPU, Radeon 9200,9500,1950,9800,x200,x1250,x600, 5450, 7470,R5 240 and GeForce 6200, FX5500, 7300, on this and on laptops and this old HP machine is still i repeat STILL able to watch KZbin while not all of more modern was able to be as smooth, Now it's like 240p but few years earlier when they used x264 corec itr was able to watch smoothly 360p and it was possible to watch 480p when they used MPEG4 in Flash 2010, for some time i was using this as mine daily driver to watch movies on platform called cda.pl now im not using it, using EliteBook this thing is works best on Windows Vista not that bad on SUSE Linux, im using more modern machines more modern GPU upgrade. Been using Dell GX1 with PCI video cards fastest possible, actually mine mom and girlfriend with 1GHz Pentium III when i installed PCI Radeon 9000 or so, was able finally to watch DVD smoothly and Media Player Classic rmvb videos. At that time this one device TC1100 struggled to display 640x480 to be able to watch tv series, remember watching Dr. House on it, then they somehow upgraded LAV decoder when this device was way too old, obsolete it all of sudden worked better than in it's time. I enabled DXVA copy-back and since then MPEG4 h264 720p consumed only 18% of Pentium M 1.1GHz and up to 25% of Celeron M 800Mhz not 100% like before, this machine is albe to play videos wghile Athlon X2 with Radeon 2600 then Radeon 4650 then 4850 wasnt on desktop! Two cores 2x2GHz vs single core Pentium M 1.1 and this ingenious GeForce 4 Go, even 6200 Go wasnt able to play MPEG2 DVD on other laptopl friend gave me. I found more modern drivers and DXVA was again avaliable but not anymore newest LAV 7.2 somehow removed that feature. Using now old Windows Vista M5, Maxthon browsers, CA certificates update applied still in 2022 you can download updates of system via WSUS Proxy program still is able to play videos on KZbin could you believe that? For a while used UCBrowser Desktop then Slimjet then MX5, But i cant anylonger log into Google acoount using Linux using Windows 7 if i have to. For while Opera Mobile Emulator was option on that crappy old Windows XP Tablet Why im wasting time, writing all of it.. well.. To say that Mac G3, G4 1GHz 1frame per second, 2 frames per seconds.. souds odd to me, Mac OS uses OpenGL to display dekstop maybe thats why?! I believe if someone released updated ffmpeg, LAV or whatever coded with some kind DXVA equivalent for Mac OS it might display smooth video even better than when this machien was nice and fresh. It's almost as powerfull if not faster than Pentium M specially 1GHz version. It's all about drivers its all about software. I wish someday make proxy for modern websites, Puppetier on Node.Js or whatever based on, to then convert videos on fly to some smaller videos format and some older video format to be able to use if not KZbin cause it's difficult but at least bitchuite. Maybe you should try to make it this way? Rumble, oddysey, bitchute if you get source code of website they embadded mp4 file and with few hacks and tricks maybe you could write "proxy" to convert if on server to let your old Macs to be used as daily drivers again? Nevertheless.. 1GHz Pentium M, good graphic card, overlay, dxva and voila. Mac G4 should be able to do same i believe but it's all about software.

[@another3997]

Mac OS for PowerPC doesn't have built in support for hardware acceleration of the newer codecs beyond Mpeg 2. Apple added OS support for acceleration of newer codecs ***AFTER*** they had moved to Intel CPUs, and had already stopped development of the old PPC OS. With PPC, the CPU itself has to do all the decoding in software on anything newer than Mpeg 2. Old, unsupported versions of Windows suffer the same problems with newer codecs... new things don't get added to OLD operating systems.

[@xero110]

KZbin will not work at good frame rates with this kind of hardware. Video cards from this time period lack the hardware decoders. Everything is being rendered in software. It's like playing QuakeGL with a video card that doesn't support OpenGL. (Kind of)

[@msthalamus2172]

When working on a computer open like that, if you're concerned about air flow, you can always set a fan loosely on top of the heat sink, blowing air upward, away from the heat sink. Just remember that it's loose or you'll keep knocking it off. :)