The J Frame Pocket Revolver: A Time And Place?

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[@shanedupont9116]

My 10 year old son and 13 year old daughter each shot a box of 38 special + P ammo out of my “stock” j frame 38 yesterday and they had a blast. They never complained once about recoil. Pull this guy’s man card now!!!

[@ASPextra]

I stand by what I said.

[@publicanimal]

🤣

[@leighmonty13]

It's the normal anti revolver video

[@Gieszkanne]

Is your j frame airweight, steel or the 357mag j steel frame thats even heavier than the regular steel frame.

[@shanedupont9116]

@@Gieszkanne airweight

[@derekkt49]

I have the S&W Model 638 .38 special; the one with the shrouded hammer. I carry it everyday because it's light, simple, and easy to carry.

[@davidhoffman6980]

How are you at shooting it?

[@derekkt49]

@@davidhoffman6980 Great. There's a technique to the double action pull but any competent shooter can figure it out. The single action trigger is the best trigger I have on all of my guns. I just like it because I can commit to carrying all day/everyday and I don't have to hassle with magazines or "plus one" rounds.

[@almightymachine9930]

The finest pocket revolver ever produced... a perfect weapon.

[@italianbeefslayer]

I have the 638 Centennial, No Hilary Hole. Load it with Critical Defense & Crimson trace grips. Daily Carry

[@untilvalhalla7854]

You started your experiment with an extended “this gun sucks” intro. Maybe you should have let them “shoot first and ask questions later.” And we never saw their hits. Your boat paddle analogy is spot on. I use that all the time. Training makes the difference from beginner to competent with any gun. For someone who is basically competent, the adrenaline dump is less of an issue. The revolver always rests in its safest state. Are other guns better? Yes. But all require training and practice.

[@NicholsonDR]

Here's the case for the pocket revolver: (1) the point of civilian self defense is to break contact, not close with the adversary, (2) the overwhelming defensive use of a firearm does not involve actually having to discharge it but merely displaying it in a show of force, (3) the J frame is light and fits easily in one's pants or jacket pocket, which makes it ultra convenient to always have with you, (4) it can be fired from inside a jacket pocket without the adversary even knowing it's being pointed at him (a semi-auto will jam if you try this), (5) it can be operated easily one handed which is critical in a grappling situation, (6) it can be fired when in physical contact with the target (a semi-auto can't), (7) in an up-close defensive use of a firearm, the sights are minimally if ever used (8) while statistics are obscure, it would seem that most confrontations where there is a discharge are resolved with three rounds or less (i.e. the FBI's old canard about the average gunfight occurs within "3 yards in 3 seconds with 3 rounds") so a five shot revolver in most circumstances is likely "adequate" and (9) people who promote the benefits of capacity for a civilian's self-defense weapon are perhaps tacitly acknowledging the "spray and pray" aspect of the semi-auto and are not adequately emphasizing the importance of absolute fire discipline and the need to discharge the absolute minimum number of rounds (if required) because there is a potential prison sentence and lawsuit attached to every bullet which goes astray, thus militating against the cliche that "more capacity is automatically better." Yes, the p365 and Glock 43 are superb, and yes the pocket revolver absolutely is not a beginners gun, but for a dude willing to regularly train with one, a J-frame loaded with wadcutters is an ultra convenient pocket monster that will get you out of most any jam. For what it's worth, I'm a retired Army officer but started out enlisted, serving as a Special Forces Weapons Sergeant.

[@ASPextra]

Number 3 isn’t based in any actual evidence. I don’t think 5 is really much of a benefit honestly. 6 is arguable for semis. To the others, some validity!

[@connorperrett9559]

You can easily operate a semi one handed unless you are carrying on an empty chamber...but if you're carrying on an empty chamber then your firearm is more of a magic talisman for you than a weapon.

[@boxelder9167]

I have never seen a revolver stovepipe or fail to cycle from an improper grip and to me it’s easier to operate when waking up from a dead sleep. If it doesn’t go bang for some sort of fluke reason, then squeezing it again will produce results. The only real drawback is capacity and hence the importance to win quickly and reliably helps with quickly. Plus it helps that it packs a punch when time is critical. A J-frame is at least a 5 or 6 times better choice over having nothing.

[@superjesus4307]

Perfectly said.

[@stanthebamafan]

The weakest point here is number 2, which comes pretty close to asserting that you don’t actually need to be proficient with your gun because you’re unlikely to need to ever pull the trigger. If you take this argument to its natural end point, you could say that we should all carry toy guns or airsoft guns because they’ll scare off a bad guy just as well as a real gun. Obviously no one here would agree with that. If you carry a gun, it needs to be a gun that you can shoot very well. Number 9 is a pretty weak point as well. You’re implying that people who carry semiautos don’t aim because they know they have more ammo capacity, while revolver carriers will be careful because they only have 5 bullets. I think the risk of collateral damage actually favors the semi, given that snubnoses are much harder to shoot accurately.

[@briantouchette6182]

her recoil control was impressive!

[@Blipp619]

Very, I must've missed it but was he shooting +P and her standard? Or were they both shooting standards?

[@ASPextra]

Both the same box of ammo.

[@Blipp619]

@@ASPextra Wow, after he shot I was like "thaaaaats not...that's not right. After she shot I was like....do I even have that much recoil control?" Very impressive.

[@DWalter.27]

Not sure if they have technique or just grip pressure, but I've found if you just grip the crap out of the j-frame it'll behave.

[@Blipp619]

@@DWalter.27 About all you can do, can't angle your wrists forward and lock out quite like a Auto. All you can really do is crush the damn thing with your dominant hand.

[@richerich853]

I carry a snub nose revolver %80 of the time, it's what I can comfortably appendix carry 14 hours a day. I have a range in my backyard so I shoot a lot.. 😎 A snubby takes a ton of training to be proficient, it absolutely isn't a newbie sidearm.. great video!

[@RetiredBadge]

27 years as a Trooper and. 12 as a State Agent as. A Undercover Narcotics. I have trusted my life to a J-Frame for all of those 27 years. The gun is NOT all you spout it off to be. You can get some lighter loads and the J Frame is very shoot able.

[@donaldardell5742]

It sounds like your and my multiple decades of experience with the Smith & Wesson J Frame are similar. I'd trust that a little more than the opinion of some guy that drama queens it up when he shoots one. "Owwww!!!" 😅

[@jeremyburris4890]

Why would you want up use lighter loads for defensive use?

[@ram-gb4yg]

@@jeremyburris4890 if it's better for you to run the gun. It's about shot placement anyway. that's like saying a 380 can't be used for self defense

[@kevinthacker9866]

As a Firearms Instructor, I really like the boat paddle analogy for the trigger press. Thanks John, I'm stealing that for my classes 😉

[@AndrewTPewPew]

Ha I thought the same thing.

[@ASPextra]

You cannot steal what has been freely given, Kevin. Glad to help you help your students!

[@Defossion1]

If you are an instructor, please do the shooting world a favor and stop saying/teaching "trigger PRESS." It's not a press. It's a pull. Tacticool guys, who are terrified to be an individual, all say "press" because everybody else does. These are the same guys who all have the same beard, same sunglasses, same jeans, always wear a ball cap, and all use the same lingo/verbage. They are sheep, not shepherds. You press away from yourself--press a button, bench press weight away from you, etc. You pull toward yourself--pull a string, pull a child out of traffic, pull a trigger. You don't "push an oar" you "pull an oar." There is no shame in saying "trigger pull," because it's exactly what is happening. Anyway, be bold and speak/teach accurately! PULL that trigger!

[@Fractal_blip]

Hating on beards​😨@@Defossion1

[@leifhoklin2681]

@@Defossion1 I understand the nuance between the two actions and what they are intending to teach. I get it when it's applied to say 1911s. However, the term "trigger press" should never be applied to a double action revolver. You are most definitely pulling that trigger. Your finger is Miva in a big horizontal arc while you're doing it to. Nothing you can do about it.

[@donaldardell5742]

As a plainclothes criminal investigator for over 25 years and dealer in firearms for 18, I became a fan of the Smith & Wesson J frame series as an absolutely excellent concealed carry self-defense option. It exhibits the very best, and most important, characteristics of a concealed carry handgun of any type: concealability and extreme reliability, and good wounding capacity with the right ammunition. On-board capacity of five shots exceeds what is necessary for the vast majority of self defense encounters. For all his whimpering about the sights, they are sufficient to make head hits at 25 yards, and accuracy with good ammunition is excellent. Are they a beginner's self defense choice? Maybe. But quality practice is important with any platform.

[@harlandrake266]

Shoot both auto and revolver like both carry both. Much discusiiona about small problems. Get plenty of rounds down range and decide for yourself what you want to use and when. Good health to all.

[@joeashbubemma]

Over the 10 yrs I've been carrying, I went from a Ruger LC9, to Glock 48, to Sig 365X Macro, and have settled on a S&W 360PD, loaded with +P cartridges for EDC. It's super light, point and shoot within 20 feet, and I never worry about optics crapping out, or mags dropping/jamming. If you can get proficient with these pocket revolvers, you'll get better at pistol shooting in general.

[@Damen0530]

She has great recoil control!

[@thomastune776]

When you go range shooting maybe not 100 rounds through a snubnose 38 but for a get off me gun, 1 to 6 shots defending your life, youre fine. Hes really looking at this all wrong.

[@johnkeisterelquattro2553]

This is why I am glad S&W is teaming up with that other company to “re-do” the J-Frame series. Way better sights, better trigger etc etc

[@Verdha603]

I actually ended up snagging one of the new S&W 442UC's specifically because it addressed my issues with the snubnose; its got actual sights instead of having to resort to painting the front sight and having a gutter for a rear sight, a much smoother trigger than other S&W J-frames I've handled, and grips that are just barely big enough to get all my fingers wrapped around it (or 4.5, since I'm only getting half my pinkie around it) and they don't look like they're designed to make my shooting experience miserable in the first 10 rounds.

[@jongreen5638]

I routinely carry a j frame while doing yard work and other physical tasks. Around the house/yard/farm its light, comfortable, doesn't pinch. But when i venture into civilization, its replaced with a Glock 43x

[@tygre7]

Cuss it all you want; that's probably the one revolver design that will never die.

[@ssn711]

Success with the J frame is mastering the grip. If you practice and understand the J frames capabilities and limitations, it works in more situations than you can imagine.

[@agoogleuser2369]

She's printing a lot!

[@ASPextra]

Just using a t-shirt for the range amigo. Focus on the lesson.

[@allisonw9724]

A reason as a small female I prefer not to carry a 9mm glock or similar...I go anywhere from 118-145 lbs over the years and I can't conceal them. Guys got pocket privilege but also bigger body frame and belly privilege & can hide a gun so much easier. I'm too vain to gain just to carry! Lol

[@sneak916]

@@ASPextra But wouldn't she wear a t-shirt during hotter times of the year anyway?

[@publicanimal]

@@ASPextra Her printing that much really contradicts your claim that her gun is just as easy to concealed carry as a little J-frame snubby.

[@mikewingler3042]

Dryfire with a DA/SA firearm can make for amazing trigger control. I really enjoy shooting my DA/SA pistols (a CZ P01 and P07)...but I carry a striker fired P10C. As usual, awesome content, John!

[@donaldardell5742]

Improved trigger on a J frame means a $15-$20 spring kit and a small screwdriver. Fast follow-up shots can be superior to a semiauto: no reciprocating slide means improved recoil recovery. And, for the record, those stocks are known as 'boot grips' and are the very smallest style available for the J Frame besides the OG Model 36 slim walnut stocks. The use of more ergonomic 'combat grips' permit the use of the pinky finger, and the full use of the support hand. An in-the-pants holster is extremely effective, especially seated in a car, and skilled use of speed loaders provides a quick reload. The argument of a problematic reholster is weak, in that reholstering after firing is typically not done in a hurry; there's no rush.

[@ASPextra]

I would never ever recommend anyone home gunsmith a defensive firearm. Ever.

[@donaldardell5742]

@@ASPextra OK. Revolver spring swaps are a wear item/consumable and amount to about as much "home gunsmithing" as changing out a recoil spring in a semiauto pistol. But I suppose you could pay a "gunsmith" do that, too? Again, a S&W trigger rebound spring swap is an inexpensive and easy drop-in for anyone with basic tools, as is a change of stocks on a S&W revolver, typically a single screw. And none of my other valid points regarding Johns complaints were addressed, lol.

[@Blipp619]

The place for the J-Frame is contact fighting. My fear with SEMI's is an attacker closing distance snd actually making physical contact with at which rime i cannot make a "Punch Shot".

[@ASPextra]

I just don't see that happening in real life defensive gunfights almost ever. I can think of a single instance on the channel out of thousands.

[@pollodormido2]

Last Sunday I shot a similar gun. 28 special with an 8 pound trigger. It almost broke my hand. The guy at the range said he has a .357 that shoots softer!

[@jason200912]

How much does a weird caliber like that cost to shoot

[@adammoeller9965]

If you know what you are doing and practice it, you can ‘stage’ the trigger and make it like an SA, accurate and controllable. I’m a big fan of the J frame.

[@90whatever]

That lady is all muscle…works out like a beast obviously. Shot that light pistol with the hard recoil like nothing. I have a S&W MP 340 and with full load 357 magnums it is brutal on your hand bones…but devastating for a target. It is really made as a back up. I can see a niche use as firing from within a jacket pocket through the jacket since the hammer is internal…but that’s about it other than as a back up. Sort of means you aren’t using a pocket holster though which isn’t good.

[@jason200912]

She looks exactly like that Asian youtuber Anna akana

[@Southernguitar74]

I have a 85 year old uncle who is a retired US Army captain. He has been shooting a J frame chief’s special since he was very young. He has a garage full of trophies from all the shooting championships he won with his J frame. Now, I’m not attempting to debunk your observations because I agree with most of your conclusions. My uncle is an expert, but it just goes to show that a person can get really good with whatever they train with. If you shoot a J frame for 70 years, you will most likely be really good with it. Same goes for any other other gun/trigger.

[@oldcop18]

I’ve been carrying a light J Frame since my ‘68 rookie year & in ‘74 used a Colt DS (about the same size as a J frame) to win a gunfight w/three armed robbery suspects, reloading once under fire. When I can’t adequately conceal a J Frame I’ll go to my LCP, but that’s usually when wearing thin dress slacks. Also, your support hand thumb was in front of the cylinder and that could cause an injury. Finally, you’re absolutely right about the J Frame being no fun to shoot, but like you I’ve never had a failure of any kind w/a J Frame.

[@jasonashley4579]

Jim Cirilo knew.

[@oldcop18]

??????

[@Aspen7780]

I grew up with the support hand thumb gripping downward crushing the primary hands thumb underneath it. It’s a grip that I found translates well for semi autos and revolvers. If you use that semiauto grip with the death ray thumbs both pointing forward, personally I don’t see any benefit plus it doesn’t translate back to revolvers. I’d rather have one grip for all guns rather than a specific grip for one type of gun and another one for a different gun.

[@oldcop18]

@@Aspen7780Makes perfect sense to me.

[@Chris_KS5KY]

I inherited a 642 from my dad and as much as I love it, I can't argue with the points made in the video. Sight radius, very short. Capacity, nowhere near what one could carry. Trigger pull, down right insanely heavy and long. I can't fix the sight radius or capacity but I have polished the trigger and other internals and I've considered putting the Mcarbo springs in it. Polishing did a great job of making it a smother pull and a little easier to handle. I've carried this as my primary EDC and I feel good about it. I figure I have 2-3 shots to neutralize the threat and a couple left to get to safety before I have a problem to solve. With a semi-auto, I can double or triple that before I have that same problem to solve. Great video, as always, and I appreciate all that you do.

[@Osprey1994]

We had about 15 people at our annual indoor low light fun shoot, and I remember at least 10 people using a P365 in some configuration (including myself). I know people say the G43x/G48 are popular, but we only had 1. The 4 that I remember, which weren't P365's, were: P226, P320, G19, and G43X (which broke the slide stop, snapped near the hinge point).

[@ASPextra]

For micro 9s, the 365 family is the current standard all else is measured by. Hands down.

[@danielhoward9806]

Her recoil control was soooo much better than that other guy!!!!! 😂

[@tygre7]

Right? It didn't look like the "expert's gun" was giving her any trouble.

[@Z123user_]

As a regular concealed carrier, I agree there are much better options. In my use (LEO), I carried a J-frame as a backup gun on the inside of my strong side ankle in the event I was ever in a struggle over my duty weapon. This would allow me to draw with my weak hand and make contact shots since slide out of battery is a non-issue with a revolver. (The only holster I trusted was the Gould and Goodrich Bootlock, due to it being both velcroed and laced into place). I realize this is a niche use, but valid in this application.

[@glockmpw]

She had part of the reason for the J-frame’s existence right there on her abdomen the whole time. Many users of dot-sighted appendix carried guns print way more than they realize. The young man who shot first had a terrible “revolver grip”, choke up on that bad boy. The J-frame is not perfect by any means, and I routinely carry a G-19 or G-26 more than the J, but it is more useful than this video would lead someone to believe.

[@joecampana3398]

I carry 2 J frames with 3 speed loaders and pepper spray!

[@efreutel]

plus pepper spray a great idea! 👍👍👍❤️

[@GrayHairis_Distinguished]

As a j frame 357 carrier, I too believe that the J frame is not for beginners. However, I also found this video to be disingenuous. They were holding too low increasing muzzle flip and felt recoil. The grip in a revolver is different than a pistol, especially on a hammerless. No pointers seemed to be given. Also, the inherent advantage of not being able to be pushed out of battery was not given, as was fired from a pocket. These points to some, might outweigh the ammunition capacity to others. And weight. My firearm loaded is about 15-16 oz. The p365xl with 17 rounds is closer to double that. This was glossed over grossly. I am absolutely not saying that the revolver is superior or even equal to 17 rounds of modern 9. I am saying that there are different tools for different jobs. I too have a p365x. I also have a lcp in a wallet holster. They each have their use.

[@ASPextra]

You know, it’s almost as if I purposefully didn’t give them instruction to show the fallacy in the “it’s a great gun for untrained people” a test run without saying so.

[@GrayHairis_Distinguished]

It would be an interesting follow-up video to see them after 50 or 100 rounds. I get the "untrained" aspect. And again, I totally agree that and Airweight J frame is not a beginner gun. It would also be interesting to take a person who has never fired a shot and have them load and fire a steel 4" revolver and a high cap 9mm to see which they become more comfortable as the "person who buys a gun and puts it up in the closet".@@ASPextra

[@knndyskful]

Dang zero fails after 20,000 rounds, that’s a mag tech ad if I ever heard one, props to mag tech for quality ammo 👏

[@papimaximus95]

Most failures have nothing to do with ammo if you use quality factory ammo. User-induced failures are your culprit.

[@GunSam]

I could see 20,000 in a full size 9mm as that wimpy cartridge by design always feeds. If he said it was also 10mm or .40 S&W JHP, i'd laugh for a long time.

[@elmer6535]

She handled that no problem....

[@AndrewTPewPew]

Agreed. All solid points. To each their own

[@cardonasaltandlight1418]

Ha ha! John's complaining about people questioning his manhood while standing there wearing cat ears on his ear protection.😂 I really like this channel, but John can sometimes be very biased and kind of a nut.

[@ASPextra]

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[@cgsimons1187]

John is a fan of the Resident Evil 4 remake. 😉

[@JamesgnuoY1]

I carry a Taurus 605. I chose it specifically for the extra weight in the front end to curb recoil. When you load it with 38s, it is a dream to shoot. Long trigger pull, but I prefer a hammer on it. When I fire one round from this gun in .357 magnum there is a huge ball of flame and it is LOUD. Tweekers that would mess with me would more than likely start dancing like in the Thriller video and bug out. I also have a K frame 686 plus that I carry and shoots like a dream. Hate all you want, Its my life and mine to defend. Did just fine in 3 combat tours

[@stickfighter1038]

The place that the J-Frame still really shine is as a backup gun in an ankle holster. Very capable with this platform but not my choice for a primary EDC firearm.

[@ASPextra]

Yeah, and since I have never seen a private citizen use a BUG in any capacity in a gunfight ever...

[@1982rrose]

Every one should have a revolver, 2nd or 3rd gun, a 22, 32 or 38 k frame ish size, great for trigger training.

[@WalterBlomquist]

Yo, little Destiny killed it controlling that muzzle flip.

[@frozenninja4030]

Yes, the small snubbie is not a great starter pistol. Yes, it does require work to get and stay proficient with them. Dry fire practice with these guns is pretty much mandatory to get good with the long, heavy DA trigger. I'd say it is still a very good tool to have in the tool box and far better than the proverbial sharp stick if you need something to defend yourself. I never feel underarmed carrying my LCR down to the corner store or wherever.

[@576103]

The Tyler T-grip adapter transforms the shooting experience without adversely impacting the footprint of the gun. I vastly prefer the Colt Detective Special over a J-frame. Lightweight frame materials like aluminum or scandium are trendy and cool in the gun store, not so much on the range. Neither the small Colt nor the S&W are suitable for a house gun. If you are committed to a revolver for a house gun, a K- or L-Frame S&W or similar-sized Colt or Ruger with 4-inch barrel and steel or stainless steel construction is the way to go.

[@joeterp5615]

No matter what gun you go with - do your research. Small light-weight snub nose revolvers in calibers like this or higher are not fun to shoot. That is very true. But there ARE small revolvers that are easier to shoot. Lucky Gunner has more balanced videos on this. John is overly biased against revolvers so he dismisses all of them too readily in my opinion. I own several SAs (including the Sig he mentioned in this video) and several revolvers. I LOVE my Ruger 327 Fed Magnum LCR revolver. I load with 32 wad-cutters. The ballistics tests on this are good (again, from Lucky Gunner’s channel). Lastly, at the end he shifted from talking about a carry gun to a home defense gun. A large heavy revolver is great for this, like a Smith & Wesson 686. Or even a shotgun. At that point the comparison is no longer between small SAs or small revolvers. There is a lot to think through for any gun purchase. Start with your intended purpose, then consider your needs based on that purpose. Size. Your ability to handle recoil. Reliability. How often are you able to practice. Stopping power. I’ve only been shooting for a few years, but have done hundreds of hours of research before making my purchases. While John makes good points in this video, it is still a bit superficial. He gives more weight to things that aren’t as important to beginners (like the eventual potential to be tenths of a second faster with a SA than with a revolver) and skips over real downsides to beginner use of SAs - like limp-wristing. Stressful real-life situations are not like being on the range. This needs to be taken into consideration. And also, most first-time gun owners are not going to be mainstays at the range - so often having a gun you can pick up and shoot easily even if you haven’t been to the range in a year or more is something that needs to be considered. I know John wants everyone to be range warriors, but that just isn’t the reality for many people. You must consider the realities of different individuals when giving advice.

[@tylernathan7985]

It’s still an experts gun. That’s the reason I made my wife and kids start off on a revolver. Once you’ve mastered the revolver, or close to it, all other pistols are a breeze to operate

[@ASPextra]

Feels backwards to me.

[@GlenMones-le6yf]

Okay a few other advantages.. you can jam the muzzle up against torso and yank the trigger.. without it going out of battery.. no worried about rear slide clearance.. or ejector Port clearance... Limp resting does not affect the gun.. remember many self-defense situations are with a up close and personal struggle...

[@ASPextra]

We just don't see those things come into play in private citizen gunfights almost ever.

[@benb5960]

29 year Federal LEO retired, former Army MP Captain, NRA Instructor, and YES, alloy J frames are awful to shoot. Never give a new or inexperienced shooter an alloy J frame. Steel framed J’s, like the 640, are passable. K frames even better.

[@ironmikehallowween]

I agree it’s not a beginner gun. But, it’s not that difficult. My girlfriend has no problem with hers in 38 special. She normally carries shield, but the little revolver is much easier for her to carry in many situations. Also, the new 32 mag from smith has 6 rounds and is much easier to shoot. Crimson laser grips work very nice with these little revolvers and eliminates many difficulties. You can also shoot from inside a jacket or coat. You can also shoot in direct contact with the attacker. She also likes that she can easily unload it without possible deformation of the bullets from repeated cycling in an auto loader. Meaning, she doesn’t to rotate cartridges in her magazines. There are always compromises.

[@ASPextra]

The new .32 rounds in defensive application that we saw at SHOT Show are very promising!

[@DWalter.27]

Lasers are gimmicky, who's blasting through their jacket when every bullet has a lawyer attached, why is she unloading her gun constantly. My wife and I are exclusively j-frame carriers, but a lot of the benefits people tout online are overblown

[@ironmikehallowween]

@@DWalter.27 lasers are game changers with j-frames. We do not allow rounds in the chamber in our house. We have alarm systems and dogs to afford us that opportunity. You do you. I don’t care what you do or what you think.

[@michigunsanta8680]

I’ve got a 642 pro and I’d never give that to my wife. She shoots my 327 LCR with 32 long in it that trigger much smoother and easier to pull and the hogue grips are great with way better sights. There are better Snubbies out there as far as shooting ease. My 432UC is amazing! 👍🏻

[@ASPextra]

The 327 is a real sleeper for a lot of folks. Good idea!

[@GrayHairis_Distinguished]

An all steel 357( so you have the versatility of ammunition selection) with a 4 inch barrel is absolutely a great “only” gun for a person that just wants to own a gun and never train, use or maintain it. Nothing in a defensive caliber is easier to start with than a 36+ oz with 38 or 38+p. Airweight or Scandium, nope.

[@GlenMones-le6yf]

I have a Smith & Wesson 342 air light TI.. 38 special centennial.. Aluminum alloy frame titanium cylinder 11 oz unloaded!! I immediately put on larger rubber grips..hogue Monogrips .. had no problem carrying it in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster in my right front pocket.. no problem drawing it fast.. in fact I can draw it faster from my pocket then I can from a belt holster.. the full size hogue monogrips. Completely cover the back strap and cushion the hand.. I have been able to shoot easily up to 50 ft accurately with the snub nose... I recently purchased rubber crimson Trace laser grips for my 342.. I still use iron sights but it's nice having the laser dot confirm my point of aim.. I have no problem carrying this in my right front pocket as my only gun 90% of the time...

[@AndiRose21]

Guns in the pocket MUST have a holster! Another thing: Your car does not need a gun. Let’s say that again. YOUR CAR DOES NOT NEED A GUN! Do not leave guns in your car (for those people who say they have a gun in every one of their cars) because part of being a responsible firearm owner is making sure NO ONE can access YOUR gun. YOU need a gun for self defense. If you’re not in your car, your car cannot use the gun. So the gun should go with YOU and not be left in the car. Thank you for attending my TED Talk.

[@ryanrawlins]

I recently added a j-frame to my carry load out and it’s definitely an expert gun. I love it! I would never recommend it to a beginner. I’ve had training with my 686+ revolver, so I feel more confident with it. Great take on reliability.

[@oldretiredguy983]

I have been carrying a S&W J -frame 38spl since 1980 first a mod 36, then a 60,then a 649 & now a 342pd airlite in a shoulder,pancake.,iwb,ankle & pocket holster and try not to leave home without it

[@Cory14Tina02]

1) A good spring kit for the J-Frame goes a long way. 2) Understand that the J-Frame is a "get off me" gun. "Sniping" with a J-Frame is being able to actually hit the A-Zone at 25+yd 3) If you need to use your J-Frame, do so knowing it's your tool to give you the opportunity to run away after dumping 5 close quarters rounds.

[@petert8807]

When you are only used to a semiauto with a shorter trigger press... the revolver seems difficult. Revolvers are underrated in today's world but when one is familiar with them... they should not be overlooked for defensive carry.

[@kylesmith7733]

I agree revolvers aren’t for beginners and in a world full of small footprint high capacity semi automatic handguns there are certainly better choices for concealed carry. With that said I do think the revolver still may have a place in this day and age. I love the revolver for carry in gym clothes. It’s light and small so I can fit it in a pocket or in my waistband (in a holster of course) and cinch the draw strings to hold it in place. With my other pistols the gun is either too big for pocket carry or too heavy for the waistband of gym shorts. Also it’s convenient for running to the mailbox, grabbing the trash cans at the end of the driveway, or as James reeves says put it in your pocket while picking up a six pack at the gas station. You can of course use another pocket pistol such as an LCP and it’s probably ok choice. But as lucky gunner has shown pocket pistols still tend to be finicky and my experience has been the same. I choose the j frame over other pocket pistols because I shoot it better, and it’s more reliable. A pocket pistols is a compromise but it’s better than having no gun at all. I say if you’re gonna carry a pocket pistol make sure you shoot it accurately and that it’s reliable enough. Also if you need info on pocket pistols check out lucky gunner’s KZbin channel! Chris has some good pints and things to consider when choosing to carry a pocket pistol.

[@TheGunnyBadger03xx]

Both shooter's grips were pretty terrible. Plus, out of the box trigger pull for a 442/642 are not very good. Spring kits are a must. If you get good at shooting a revolver, all other pistols seems like cheat mode.

[@ASPextra]

We’d never encourage someone to change springs in any defensive firearm by themselves.

[@TheGunnyBadger03xx]

@@ASPextra Who said do it themselves? Honestly, it isn't very hard.

[@mikehigbee2320]

I trained many years with a double action .357 duty revolver, so I'm pretty comfortable with these, and don't feel poorly armed when I have one. However, it can't be denied that it has many drawbacks that counteract whatever advantages it may have. Though I have carried it in a pocket holster, I don't think it's a good way to carry. It's slow and awkward to draw, and really doesn't conceal that well in my clothes. A standard belt holster is best. For newbies, there are way better choices.

[@23hamze]

She shot it better. And had a better grip

[@Sprice93USAF]

A revolver is also much more concealable than an auto of similar or even smaller size. The curves of the revolver more naturally blend to the body and I bet it would print significantly less than the sig p365 she has on

[@eladfitz5673]

I thank you for this video, I am one who likes to through my J frame in my front pocket. Being a 325 lb. man who always likes my shirt tucked in, I need tips on best way to conceal carry . Please think about doing a video on this issue with several different guns.

[@alterego6935]

So if you've practiced with a particular type of gun, it can be difficult switching to a different type of gun...duh.

[@gunmonkey6545]

If you thought that the Catwoman ears was going to help your case, you were wrong. The original video you did was you almost in tears and claiming the revolver was a bad choice all around. Secondly, putting two people on camera who have never shot one before, and you “leading the witness,” didn’t help your case either. There’s a reason myself and others unsubscribed to your channel after that your original video. By the way, I’m not trolling you, the only reason I clicked on this was because it came up and I didn’t recognize you with the beard.

[@johnochicago8457]

John the 640 makes the J frame easy to shoot. Add a 442/642 pocket with the same loads and reloads and you are good to go.

[@romielacefield1056]

Her control of recoil is outstanding. Watch her shoulders….the recoil energy flows through her arms and pushes her shoulders back…. I carry this same firearm and with practice it can be managed well. For me….it’s a perfect conceal carry firearm. As other owners of these j frames say…..simple and reliable. Actually…more than reliable…. They are foolproof as the only way it can fail is bad ammo… If you use factory loads for CC…you are always good to go.

[@WedgeGangly]

Also, don’t bet on, “if it don’t go bang, just pull the trigger again” with revolvers. The only “stoppage” I ever had was when recoil backed a bullet out of the case (factory ammo) a hair and jammed said bullet against the frame on the next trigger pull. Depending on which side of the cylinder it hangs up on…it can make it interesting to clear if your life depended on it.

[@ASPextra]

I’ve seen it happen with primers, too. Very rare for sure.

[@ricjona1069]

I've gone back to carrying revolvers. I carry 2 and sometimes 3 for downtown carry. I employ a NY reload strategy and carry a couple of speed strips. I carry 3 o'clock and cross draw (or ankle). The cross draw (or ankle) I can draw with either hand. Cross draw is much faster when seated, say in a car or restaurant. The manual of arms are all the same. I have redundancy. I can share if needed. You can't limp wrist a revolver and you can shoot from contact distances (can't knock out of battery). One last thing...if you are involved in a self defense encounter in a less gun friendly jurisdiction, a revolver is less threatening to a jury of gun haters.

[@ASPextra]

I would definitely disagree with your last assertion.

[@ricjona1069]

@@ASPextra Thank you for taking the time to respond. Massad Ayoob has commented on this. The NIH did a study in 2018 that identified that the weapon used was a determining factor in jury decisions. When I was an LEO, many DAs and defense attorneys focused on the type of weapon in the prosecution or defense of cases. Especially in the case of black rifles vs bolt action rifles. DAs focused on black rifles 'bad', implements of war and defense attorneys focused on bolt actions being a 100+ year old technology and the defendant only has self defense in mind and not going to war. Certainly if you have a good defense attorney or DA they can argue the case either way...but in the San Francisco Bay Area, the jury pool is very liberal and can be convinced that certain weapons are 'worse' than others.

[@ASPextra]

Can you cite that NIH study, please? Not needling, want to read it.

[@ricjona1069]

@@ASPextra Try to Google "NIH weapons jury". I will try and look it up. It's been a while since I read it.

[@MrPhilWong]

Way back in the day, Sheriff Charles "Skeeter" Skelton tested a J-frame against a Walther PPK and found that .38Spl LRN bullets and 380ACP FMJ bullets penetrated to virtually the same depth in pine boards, so he chose the PPK as a thinner, flatter backup gun that held 2 more rounds that performed equally as well, and was easier for him to shoot (especially in single-action). I started carrying a S&W 640 in my left front pocket in 1995, then I switched to carrying a 642 in 1998, went back to a different 640 in 2006, then upgraded to a 6-shot Colt Cobra in 2019. I shot my 640 many times in multiple classes with Massad Ayoob and Grant Cunningham, and I learned that my 135gr +P Gold Dot carry ammunition would drop a man-sized mammal just as well as any 9mm or .45ACP load if the shot was placed correctly. Then, I picked up my Ruger LCP Max, and I found that it actually cleared my left front pocket just as well as any of my snubby revolvers, it held even more ammo onboard than any of my pocket snubbies + a separate speedloader, and it ran reliably through a few hundred rounds of FMJ plus a couple of boxes of Hornady Critical Defense .380ACP, which performed basically the same as the .38Spl GDHP load that I already carried and trusted. Carried in a Safariland pocket holster, it weighs, prints and bulges less than my 642, even fully loaded with 2.6× as much ammo. I get hits at 3-5 yards just as fast as any of my snubbies from the front pocket, it's less-expensive and less-unpleasant to shoot than any lightweight J-frame, and I can actually reholster it one-handed with the Safariland pocket holster. I love traditional guns as much as anyone else, but I carry guns that do the same job better for me, and not just because of preexisting biases...

[@jasonashley4579]

Can you you fire the lcp from inside a jacket pocket?

[@MrPhilWong]

Sure, for one shot... Shooting from inside a pocket is a great way to artificially restrict yourself to shooting at gut level or lower, unless you've unbuttoned or unzipped your jacket...and if you have your jacket open all the way, why not draw from your front trouser pocket? I live in Southern AZ, and I only need to wear a fully-closed heavy jacket for a total of maybe 30 days out of the year, so I'd rather just carry in my front trouser pocket year-round and train accordingly. Drawing completely out of the pocket and bringing the gun up to line-of-sight is a much more consistent way to get accurate hits in vital areas than hip-shooting blind from inside the pocket - especially when using lesser-performance loadings like .380ACP or .38Spl when fired out of short-barreled pocket guns. If you need to proactively draw a gun in the face of a threat, it's much more intimidating for the assailant to actually see the gun aimed at him, instead of your fist inside a pocket...which, TBH, seems to be more stereotypically associated with stick-em-up robbers than law-abiding armed citizens...

[@jasonashley4579]

Learn to point shoot, as someone who has used a gun for self defense I can tell you that you may not have the time or the distance to use sights, you might want something that doesn't go out of battery easily also.

[@MrPhilWong]

I actually took a class in Fairbairn-style point shooting, sponsored by Suarez International and taught by Matthew Temkin, in October 2007. I shot better than the instructor going into the class, and Gabe Suarez and every one of the students agreed that those two days had been a complete waste of time, money and perfectly good ammunition.

[@oldcop18]

@@jasonashley4579Agree! As someone who’s been in a gunfight I only used the sights once, and that was in a well lit motel hallway to drop a hostage taker before he killed his hostage. The other two times it was either too dark (no night sights in the ‘70s) or things went down too fast to line up a sight picture.

[@JamieMcgee518]

He tells them, the gun is horrible... then , he asks for thier opinion.

[@dddutuber1]

Regular fan, FI and RSO here. Yes, the J Frame is an expert's gun; it should not be sold to beginners for general self defense. And good on you for emphasizing "IN A (POCKET) HOLSTER". Amazing how many longtime shooters throw one into the pants or jacket pocket or under the front seat without one. As for those who throw STRIKER-FIRED semiautos into their pockets or under the front seat without a holster...😳

[@robmiller54]

What’s up with the bunny ears ?

[@papimaximus95]

He is transitioning.

[@ASPextra]

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[@fattigla]

For a while I thought a j frame was about all I could conceal. Not the case any more. Modern holster equipment allows us to conceal bigger pistols. If you absolutely need a small pistol the G43, p365, or similar sized pistols give just as much capacity, better trigger, better ergos, and are just as easy or easier to conceal.

[@ASPextra]

Totally agree.

[@BespokeCarpentry]

I know, completely agree. Once I realized that it was like the was amazing. Once you realize everything it takes to properly support it and all the nuance to it, It just clicks, and you understand how everyone else has been doing it.

[@DWalter.27]

That rear sight area can still be a problem for some folks (myself included). Additionally, it's extremely hard to find a gun lighter than a non-steel j-frame. And when you do they're all small 380's with many of the same downsides of a j-frame, plus a worse caliber and questionable reliability

[@jasonashley4579]

My grandfather was a Bill Jordan fan, when we were kids living in the River Quay he'd make wax bullets for his snubby so us boys could target practice in the alley behind his house, to this day outta all the autoloaders I own I often more than not carry a Smith and Wesson J frame.

[@paulcolburn1208]

James I won't insult your manhood but I will let you know that you are not shooting that pistol properly. That is not a marksman pistol. It is not designed to be shot at far away targets. It is designed to be better than a sharp stick or to shoot people that are literally on top of you. Which means that if they're 2 feet away, the sites are meaningless.

[@Gieszkanne]

I think for airweight j frames 32 H&R would be a better caliber. Also you get 1 round more capacity. Also I dont get why they dont give them lighter trigger pulls right away as its possible. Also better sights. Like the Lipsey’s/Smith & Wesson carry revolver.

[@donh1572]

I practice BJJ, I use a snub for potential contact shots while grappling. Something that would jam semi auto's in the same situation

[@ASPextra]

Okay, I just think you’re planning on something that is really a non-event. Because actually getting to a gun during grappling is exceedingly rare, and 1/8” is all you need to make the semi work just fine. And revolvers can have problems in tight quarters with cylinder rotation too. Just some thoughts for you, carry what you want.

[@donh1572]

@@ASPextra I disagree, just look at all the Craig Douglas training videos while grappling with a gun. The guns go out of battery all the time. Hence, why many students made the switch.

[@scotopicvision]

I went with a j frame for the same exact reason. I never been in a gun fight in my life, but definitely wrestled with some punks

[@ASPextra]

Well, I actually analyze real defensive encounters and what we see happen in real life for some reason doesn’t seem to match what Craig shows in Force on Force evolutions. Seen plenty of close contact shots, and out of battery failures are unicorn events in the real world. Not sure what to tell you about that, but remember that FoF invites some artificialities that we should be aware of.

[@donh1572]

@@ASPextra yes but you also told me in the past that gun jams are rare. Yet I see countless videos on your channel where they did

[@ArchetypeofMan]

I'm hopeful that the new 642 and 432 UC models have mitigated at least the sight problems inherent in these small designs. There IS an argument to be made for the .32 family of cartridges, and subsequently an argument against them in terms of ammo availability. Definitely requires a lot more dedication and practice. And a willing acknowledgement that you ARE giving some things up carrying a revolver.

[@BespokeCarpentry]

The problem with a J frame is all the older gentlemen working in a gun store. Thats what they sell scared women that come into the store. Saying its simple, easy, and small. And when they shoot it they never want to touch a gun again.

[@ASPextra]

BINGO!

[@DWalter.27]

Fudds. I had a dude who refused to sell my wife anything other than a j-frame, despite her trying one the day prior and hating it. We bought her a Shield at a different store and it was years before I ever went back there (the employee was gone)

[@BespokeCarpentry]

@DWalter.27 I used to listen to those guys and I bought my wife the smallest gun and she hated to shoot and didn't feel confident at all. Figured out that she'd like a normal sized gun and gave her a m18 with red dot and she's stacking rounds In a target. I cant believe they still recommend women get a j frame as a first gun.

[@hounddog4363]

In all fairness, there's variety even in j frames. A steel frame with an exposed hammer will be a better starting point for some. Maybe end point. I love my steel frame & it's still not too heavy in carry terms.

[@kasa6038]

I don't disagree with your conclusions but as a former professional scientist you made a very biased experiment. You told your subjects how terrible the gun was and it was a self fulfilling prophecy. You also did not compare shot accuracy or timing of the J frame with a semi. Lastly, you and both your subjects are self proclaimed semi-automatic shooters and you did not enlist an experienced revolver shooter. Again, not saying your conclusions aren't valid, but your methods are highly flawed. Massad Ayoob gave a much more balanced presentation recently on Wilson Combat and listed several important advantages a revolver has that you did not mention.

[@ASPextra]

Oh come on man, it's not meant to be scientifically rigorous.

[@MrZombieslayer409]

Growing up I owned and shot many co2 double action only bb/pellet guns. The triggers are just as heavy sometimes heavier than real revolvers. The years of shooting co2 guns made me supper accurate with real snub nose/full size revolvers. Also i never had an issue with the old school 158gr lrn or the wadcutters

[@happynurse8706]

You know nothing you're talking about I'm sorry for being so Blunt but J frame revolver let's take it a revolver is more reliable then a semi-automatic pistol AJ frame revolver is small enough to conceal easy enough to get out of a purse or shoulder holster or belly banned and if you can't keep yourself safe with 5 or 6 shots you've lost the fight so no you know nothing about what you're talking about and a double action weapon Is the safest way to go

[@ASPextra]

lol no

[@mattenglish6334]

great she's carrying a 365xl but everyone within her zip code can see it printing.....

[@ASPextra]

You’re overthinking things. We are on a range and she’s accommodating that.

[@mattenglish6334]

telling me she changed clothing specifically for the range or that she didn't carry iwb to the range? maybe an option for a micro 38 would be great for wearing clothing which makes iwb CONCEALED carry difficult. maybe have them shoot more than 5 rounds and then make a review I find it hard to take someones opinion who cant even conceal their own gun makes me think they don't carry as much as were being told they do... I really respect your experience but think about the average everyday person not just people who really are into guns. Not everyone is gonna take out a mortgage to buy out the 5.11 catalog to make edc easy maybe they would be just like her and don't want to dress around a gun or change their entire lifestyle around being a gun owner. I carry a 38 dang near daily and yes its an experts gun but it doesn't take much to be decent with one @@ASPextra

[@ASPextra]

Am I wearing a 5.11 catalog? Can you see my gun in this video?

[@mattenglish6334]

Im struggling to understand why you as a self defense educator are trying to defend someone who is blatantly printing like not even a little bit but from a video on a semi dark flat range I can clearly make out a 365 grip angle and a dot.... maybe for someone who wears tight cloths not a baggy polo and EDC pants a small gun like a 43 or a 38 isn't a bad option IF their willing to train with it like anything else. Its hard as a semi involved gun guy to appreciate the review of a clearly new concealed carrier with only firing 5 total rounds. 38s are hard to shoot everyone knows that but you don't have to be jerry miculek to make a hit at say 10 yards after a box or two of rounds. everything has a use case and not everyone is the same or lives the same life. Very narrow minded review if you'd even call it a review@@ASPextra

[@ASPextra]

I’m struggling to see why it’s such a big deal to you. You clearly have it all figured out. Please share the video of you doing it correctly.

[@carminegraves]

lol you made me realize the reason im a good shot is because my first gun was a 642

[@Stew-rl9qk]

More chances if you are carrying your kid in your off arm vs limp wristing a semi auto. Semi auto could be a single shot if you’re handicapped in some way.

[@ASPextra]

Nah, that’s a wives tail from the 80’s…. Pretty unlikely with anything modern

[@gunguy8348]

I carry the 340sc in a bug bite ankle holster for only sitting position. Lcp2 in the pocket for casual hand on gun and smart carry Glock 26 with 15 round mag next to it. I agree the j frame today is mostly out dated but not worthless to each there own.

[@jar6588]

Revolvers are king cause its easier to clear a stove pipe, failure to feed ,failure to eject, mag dropping out , and dont have to worry about limp wrist 😳🤣✌️🍺🇺🇸

[@lukeman9851]

To start with, I completely agree with you that it's more of an expert's gun. You already name-dropped DB, Haggard, and Werner, so you've definitely heard their takes on the use-cases. And I would point out that even Bolke and Haggard (don't know about Werner) prefer a modern auto in the appendix and reserve a snubby for the pocket most of the time (DB has a Langdon PX4 or Boresight P365XL, Haggard had a Glock 48 with an SCD when I trained with him). One of the points people also made was that, in that pocket sized category, a revolver tended to be more reliable than a similarly sized auto, which had more to do with ergonomics and things like grip in sub-optimal conditions, or in a wrestling situation. However that is probably less true today with more commonly available, high quality, very small guns like the P365 (the same as the "but what will you actually carry?" argument) For what it's worth, the negatives of a snub like that *can* be mitigated somewhat using things like a wraparound rubber grip like a Ruger LCR, using wadcutters, or stepping down the caliber to something like .32 H&R or .32 Long. The sights, on the other hand, require you to buy just the right gun, and there aren't that many options. Even then, as you said, it doesn't deal with the very limited capacity, trigger which can be more difficult to learn, all that stuff.

[@joeterp5615]

Yep! I have a LCR that I shoot with S&W Long wadcutters just like you said. It’s a great option. I’m glad I researched using multiple websites and KZbin channels before buying my guns, and didn’t only listen to reflexively anti-revolver viewpoints. Now I own several SAs and revolvers, and they all have their place.

[@f8green187]

I love J-frames and have several. That being said I agree with you a 100% that it is NOT a beginners gun, even in the steel frame Model 40 and 49 versions that I have the recoil is substantial enough to scare away a new shooter. People that recommend these to new shooters are being irresponsible and making someone that was open to the idea of owning a firearm a potential future ANTI. Promote our hobby and the acceptance of CCW by making responsible recommendations to those that need guidance, even if it means a 22lr. Its better than a sharp stick. Great Video!!! Did I mention I love J-frames!!

[@ASPextra]

I own 3 great revolvers and love them. They're just hard for noobs!

[@The_Zen_Shark]

Starting to understand he does these pathetic videos against the J-frames just to get engagement. The first one where he constantly whines about how much it hurts his hand is the best.

[@ASPextra]

I bet you’re fun at parties

[@k1ttyF158er]

I'd have to say most of this is wrong. The rule of thumb in a typical use of force scenario is 3-3-3. Meaning...Most gun fights are within 3 yards, for 3 seconds using 3 rounds. I have a model 37 Jframe loaded with wad cutters. As a woman with small hands, it is infinitely lighter, more reliable & more pleasant to shoot than the Hellcat I had with 15 rounds of 9mm I used to carry. - I think most of these videos spouting more power, more rounds etc.. are men who watch too many movies.

[@ASPextra]

Your first assertion is demonstrably false and has no basis in reality.

[@ASPextra]

I am going to guess you don't watch the main ASP channel at all. If you did, you would quickly abandon the lie that is 333

[@chriserickson4417]

Somewhere I read or seen that 70% of your gripping power comes from the Pinky and so if you can't get the Pinky on to Pistol Grip you're SOL when it comes to controlling the Firearm. Thanks for another great video/info.

[@ASPextra]

A little less than 70% but it’s a lot for sure.

[@GlennHelkenn-th5tr]

Well, here’s the thing though John, you made the case at the end for why a little revolver is the right gun for so many people: it can be neglected in a drawer for years and still do its job for a person who has never trained and will never train. It’s sad, but the reality is that a whole lot of people fall into that category. And such people can still benefit from at least that level of self defense capabilities.

[@ASPextra]

You're not wrong. That's a use case.

[@JacksonC-8000]

Right now I i do Uber for work. I picked the S&W 638 since I figured I'm most likely to encounter a bad guy in my sedan. I don't worry about limp wristing using my non-dominant hand reaching over my body, out of battery, trying to thunb a safety with my left hand while I'm driving etc. I'll purchase a p365 down the road, but I figure at the moment the revolver made the most sense for my niche position. The DA has been a fun challenge, and now my friend's semis feel like switiching from a stick to an automatic. I shoot better than them now, thanks revolver! I'm a new firearm owner and I've been binging your channel for weeks now. Thank you for your life-saving content. May God keep you close!

[@albertfoxx2922]

I bought this gun when this video came out and i love it break in the trigger get gud stop being a panzy

[@ASPextra]

Well thankfully the internet isn’t a spelling contest…

[@richardkluesek4301]

6:40 James, grab up higher on the grip frame backstrap to get upward pinkey wrap on the bottom of the stocks and lower the bore axis.

[@ASPextra]

I purposefully didn’t give instruction because most new shooters won’t get much and that’s how they will shoot it.

[@richardkluesek4301]

@@ASPextra I get it. A simple adjustment would overcome Jmes' valid objection and enhance his experience to appreciate and understand the features and benefits of the platform which you verbally explained clearly, compliments.

[@Zn0nimus]

Good points. I actually thought the girl was carrying a demonstration gun too, to show something that is too big, since it was basically sticking out of her mid section.

[@ASPextra]

Not a focus of this video, but she's just wearing a range t-shirt and not what she would go into town with.

[@Zn0nimus]

@@ASPextra makes sense. I was not so much judging, but rather stating my expectations were wrong. She has way more experience than me, so I'm definitely not trying to judge. :)

[@steveisgood2go]

IN THIS EPISODE: When girls play with guns 😂🙈

[@rb7994]

I own all types of guns, including the airweight and other revolvers, as well as several variants of Glock and M&P semi's. I agree that revolvers are not for beginners but the notion that Glocks or other semi-autos never or rarely fail is nonsense. After 10's, maybe 100's of thousands of rounds through all of my guns I can say that all of them, yes, including the Glocks, have malfunctioned in one way or the other at some point in time. It's just a mechanical reality. You just have to train for this eventuality and try to understand in each instance why the failure occurred.

[@ASPextra]

Well, okay, but I have 55,000 rounds verified through a P30 with no malfunctions attributable to the gun. That's just not something you can say about a revolver.

[@rb7994]

@@ASPextra That's awesome. Hope that continues for you. Maybe I just have bad luck or suck with guns, but i'm literally awaiting a new slide lock release for my beloved Glock 43 which broke in half a few weeks ago.