Acts 15 - Obedience or Legalism? - 119 Ministries

[@karlanewman9142]

BEST EXPLANATION. HALLELUYAH!!! If you still have questions or concerns LISTEN 2, 3, 4 Xs until you completely understand. Its pure teaching.

[@alanylizardo]

none of the comments that are disagreeing w the video are actually addressing what’s said in the video. and that’s how i know that 119 ministries is on to something.

[@nduatipatt9226]

Teaching good, Exegesis. For long I was taught otherwise. Now I know the greatest problem in the Church is wrong interpretation of scripture. Lord have mercy on your church and bring the help. Beloved thank you, I appreciate your great work and grace. Shalom, from Kenya

[@angiejefferys5779]

I really like this teaching. I always wondered if I was one of Jesus sheep. I am comforted. Ty!

[@ryanrestivo4270]

To sum up: If God told you to take your shoes off in the house, you would do it because you wanted a good relationship with him. You would be obedient because you respect, honor, and love Him. We would not say, “But, Paul said it was ok.” (Because, as we know, Paul was made to repent for this declaration in Acts 21).

[@GlennJudah]

I hear that a lot !

[@woodLG]

As someone who has been part of Hebrew Roots the past 2 years, I still can see why evangels cling to not seeing the Law as something to observe. These Acts 15 verses are pretty obvious...Yah has me just needing to be obedient to Him, but it's hard to argue this. That being said, I try to see it that I am saved thru faith in Yeshua alone, however, there is nothing wrong, legalistic or unreasonable for me to be Torah observant, as that pleases the Father. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Meanwhile, I think James is also spot on, as he appears to be assuming that as a former gentile but now as good as a native born, aka grafted in, I should be going to "synagogue" on sabbath to keep learning the Law of Moses. Not that his saves me, but it is something I should desire. Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. 21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

[@Matthew22.37]

Amein!! Scripture does teach us that The Mosaic Law is Perfect, Just, Good, Life, Truth, Light, The Way, Freedom, Liberty, Righteous, and Holy. Brilliant teaching, brothers...you guys are such an inspiration....you inspire me to keep learning and growing in Father YHWH's Word. Shalom!

[@markpercival6068]

A spot on teaching... Numbers 6:24-26

[@michaela.kelley7823]

We are to follow Jesus. His life, love, compassion and OBEDIENCE. Peter said some of Paul's letters are hard to understand which ignorant and unstable people cant understand. Ignorant wasn't an insult back then. It was simply a term for people not understanding something. 119 ministries is just trying to help True followers follow Him correctly. It's not a yoke keeping the commandments. If you think it is then your not born again

[@abeliever1843]

If you find it hard your not born again... How manipulative!!! There is a massive shift for churches to adopt Judaism which is the undiluted power of Satan. A false Christ is easy adopted when your 70% aligned to Judaism

[@freeonjubileestrumpet4752]

Acts 15: The Circumcision of Moses What does it mean to be circumcised in the manner of Moses? Did Moses circumcise the foreskin of any male while the children of Israel were in the wilderness for forty years? At the Jerusalem Council the apostles debated whether the newly converted Gentiles had to keep the Law of Moses. Some members stressed that the Gentiles could not be saved unless they were circumcised. Circumcision can refer to the foreskin, but we also see circumcision is used spiritually, referring to a clean and changed mind or heart within man. This type of circumcision requires the removal of our sins in order to become a new creature in Christ. Deuteronomy 30:6 KJV “And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.” Romans 2:29 KJV “But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” When we understand the word doesn’t always refer to the physical act, we can begin to understand he spiritual meaning, how circumcision means to cleanse us from iniquity whether it’s inwardly or outwardly. The law of animal sacrifice was a type of outward circumcision according to the letter of the law. Moses never circumcised the foreskin of a male while he led the children of Israel in the wilderness. He did not circumcise his own son. Zipporah, his wife, did it herself to save Moses from God’s wrath. Exodus 4:24-25 KJV 24And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. 25Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. Joshua son of Nun had to circumcise the children born in the wilderness who were now adults. If Moses circumcised the foreskin then he would have circumcised the children born in the wilderness when they were born on the eighth day. Joshua 5:2-5 KJV 2At that time the LORD said unto Joshua, Make thee sharp knives, and circumcise again the children of Israel the second time. 3And Joshua made him sharp knives and circumcised the children of Israel at the hill of the foreskins. 4And this is the cause why Joshua did circumcise: All the people that came out of Egypt, that were males, even all the men of war, died in the wilderness by the way, after they came out of Egypt. 5Now all the people that came out were circumcised: but all the people that were born in the wilderness by the way as they came forth out of Egypt, them they had not circumcised. Because we know Moses never circumcised the foreskin of a male while they were in the wilderness, we know the circumcision discussed in Acts 15 is not about removing the foreskin. It is about another process of circumcision to keep God from killing his people: the law of animal sacrifices or the Law of Moses. John 7:21-23 21Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel. 22Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. 23If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Moses gave the people circumcision through the law of animal sacrifices (Law of Moses) because of the sins of the fathers (those who Moses led out of Egypt). The fathers built a golden calf which was a major sin against God. By the blood of the animals, they were not killed since sin requires death and blood for atonement. (Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.) Jesus perfected the Law of Moses by becoming man and living a righteous life, then dying as a perfect, blameless sacrifice for the sins of all those that believed and will believe in Him. That is also why it was unnecessary for Paul to circumcise Titus when Jesus fulfilled the law of animal sacrifice. Paul circumcised Timothy because Timothy was a Greek and outsiders were considered unclean to the Jews. If a Jew were in the company of a Gentile, they would become unclean, because the Gentiles did not keep any of the purification laws through the Law of Moses. However, God showed Peter in a vision in Acts 10 not to call any man common or unclean. Through the blood of Christ, all are cleansed and made new, the middle wall of partition (Ephesians 2:14) which separated the Israelites and Gentiles was broken. The sacrifices for sins and purification by the Law of Moses ended when Jesus died. In the end, God will judge us on the things written in the books of the laws of God (Revelation 20:11-14). The commandments of God are spiritual and last forever (Psalm 111:8).

[@silviachan1714]

Thanks!

[@AmB39]

Thank you ~ AGAIN. REAL TEACHERS! Incredibly refreshing.

[@119Ministries]

Thank you!

[@h.williams5808]

Another, I can learn from. Appreciate this message. Shalom

[@dankle46]

There is no replacement.... to say Yeshua did away with His Fathers Yahweh Law would make Yeshua double minded. Think about it 😊

[@christspath0777]

This so beautiful brother,i've been watching your videos since two three months and i am blessed.Praise God almighty father in the name of yeshua ha massiach.God bless you brother in Christ for your hard work.

[@sipandsynoptics]

Has anyone else noticed that Acts21:25 has a whole section added by translators that changes the whole meaning? Let's go from the second half of v24. ...you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25“But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except(fn) that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” (NKJV) The footnote says that the original bible text does not have the line "that they should observe no such thing, except" So it should say you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25“But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MESSAGE! Shocking how bible interpreters can change the entire meaning of the message. FYI, I don't like the NIV for this very reason, but even the NIV gets this verse translation right.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

Yep, I noticed! Hence the reason I've got that part of the verse highlighted in red, because it's bogus! And, speaking of bogus, are you aware of this gem, where the message the author intended to convey is turned upside down! Here are two bogus translations: Galatians 3:10 KJV For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:10 NIV For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." Whereas, the verse should actually read more like this: Galatians 3:10 For all who are OUTSIDE the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." And, BTW, if anyone is interested in a much more detailed explanation of how these bogus translations have completely obscured what's actually being conveyed in Galatians 3, we (Sour Milk Ministries) are currently working on a video in which we will do just that. The video will be entitled: _Video 17: Truth Turned Upside Down! (Un-Twisting Galatians 3:10)_

[@redeemed3856]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Thank you so much for leaving that comment!! That’s amazing!! I would LOVe to see that video!!

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@redeemed3856 Shalom! The video is now available on our channel. It's entitled: Video 17: Truth Turned Upside Down (Un-twisting Galatians 3:10)

[@BCSJRR]

Sorry, it doesn't seem like a different meaning (although it is better to not add to scripture!). The original strongly implies that the gentiles were to abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, and sexual immorality as THE conditions for their acceptance. The extra text merely emphasizes this.

[@BCSJRR]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Um, actually Paul is writing that anyone who does not do the law PERFECTLY is under a curse if they are living only by the LAW instead of by grace. This is his main point. Paul also wrote that we should never take deliberately sin so that grace may increase. And that if living under the law, violating one part of it makes one guilty of violating the whole thing. Haven't you read in psalms and in Romans 3 that no one is good, no one seeks the Lord, etc. It's not possible to follow the law perfectly (unless your name is Jesus son of Joseph). So I think you are splitting hairs. Jesus said his burden is light. Obeying the entire law perfectly is not a light burden. He defined being guilty of adutery as even looking at a woman (member of the opposite sex?) with lust in ones heart? Does that confirm that hating one's brother is like murder of the heart? And who has never been angry? It's not possible, no one can do it.

[@uwekonnigsstaddt524]

119Ministries well, I paused this video/teaching several times to absorbe, or try to, the texts and its meaning. Hal Lindsey has a teaching on Paul about going to the temple, exactly using these texts, and honestly, I ended up confused. Orthodoxy (proper belief) comes before orthopraxy (proper behavior). I need to dedicate more time, turn off my cellphone, and open my Bible as I navigate through this teaching. Our TRUE faith produces good works (fruit?). I also know, believe, and understand that Holy Scripture does not contradict itself, after all it is the written Word of God. I’ll also watch your teaching series “The Pauline Paradox”. Thanks and Shabbat Shalom!

[@sipandsynoptics]

Going to watch the Pauline Paradox as well. God bless these guys for bringing us the truth. Peter says it well that Paul's writings are easily misunderstood by untaught and unstable people (2 peter 3:16)

[@tmish969]

Wow good teaching

[@Nomad58]

Bottom line, and this is from Jesus himself. “I am preparing a place for those who OBEY me!” Period. Sounds like obedience is mandatory to me. Not one person, as far as I’m aware, in the Bible ever taught differently.

[@ryanc8701]

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 2 CORINTHIANS 3:15-16 For He is our Peace, Who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; for to make in Himself of twain one new man, so making peace; EPHESIANS 2:15

[@NinjaMaGoo22]

Thank you for this thorough walkthrough.

[@fredmorgan5387]

Excellent assessment of scripture brother. Shalom

[@Pavestar1]

Thank you for that truth

[@dankle46]

Truth

[@leadhesh]

God bless. Amazing teaching

[@elikiravosai5930]

I've just started to follow your page and really liked every bit of it especially contradictions in most of what Paul wrote.GOD BLESS ..Love from FIJI.

[@cbtam4333]

This is the first time I’m hearing this interpretation of the participants at the Jerusalem Council. Can anyone explain why there would be unbelievers (the circumcision group) at a believer’s council and/or teaching the brethren (believers)?

[@aljonmanriquez716]

Sir, do you have a video teaching about Titus and why Paul chose not to circumcise him?

[@dinkakage]

thank you I am gentile which learn more thank you God bless I spread this news people cause I know people telling me that see the law of Moses abolished thank you.

[@tobytails4650]

Christians hava an answer for not "stealing or killing" they say this is the MORAL law so this is to be obeyed but the CIVIL and SOCIAL ones no. I mentioned the premise of not overwhelming new gentile converts, like what they do in the churches to new believers, and they just scoffed at it and said that's "your interpretation".....it's sickening the blindness and total disdain for His Word in the CHURCH today....sickening!!

[@julietbrathwaite1525]

Shalom and thank you.

[@mikesommers9557]

sounds like the commands given to the gentiles in Acts 15 are the "entry requirements" for church fellowship. they are obviously to learn the rest as they go. kinda like saying for starters, "dont even show up for church if your still doing satanic rituals".

[@jrb2565]

Obviously? Perhaps if you "obviously" can't read Acts chapter 15

[@mikesommers9557]

@JD Simmonz ware does it say that it is wrong to commit adultery? ware does it say it is wrong to steal? ware does it say that it is wrong to have sex with animals? ect...ect... and second of all, your KJV bible is missing tons of verses from the book of psalms and contains numerous translation errors. the greek septuigent exposes the hebrew masoretic text (which includes your precious KJV).

[@jrb2565]

@@mikesommers9557 That's the problem with being fleshly - there needs to be a little rule book to keep the flesh in line. Whereas the New Covenant is written on the heart by the Spirit. Obviously you don't believe God when He says He can do that. So you come to Acts 15 and instead of accepting THAT is the teaching - you need to find your Jewish list of rules in there somewhere. Paul even writes that Gentiles perform some of the precepts of the Law because of their conscience, having never been under the Law and you Judaisers STILL don't get it.

[@jrb2565]

@@mikesommers9557 Secondly, using your own logic invalidates your position. Where in the Law does it say not to lie? Where does it prohibit pornography? Where does it say that you don't need animal sacrifices for the last 2 thousand years (longer than Israel was ever a nation)? Where does it say that non-Jews have any obligations to the Law outside the gates of Israel? Yet here you so-called "Messianic's" are making stuff up to hedge the Law and inserting your silly ideas into every text you can find. At the same time as you claim nothing can be known outside of ... the Law!

[@mikesommers9557]

@@jrb2565 the commandments of God are not "jewish". they are for ALL men to obey. and they are NOT burdensome. "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS of God, AND the faith of Jesus".-Revelation 14:12 ......"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."- Revelation 12:17

[@general8109]

I strongly believe that 119 Ministeries has been doing a great job..I may have missed topics on the Holy Days, Hell fire, Rapture, Easter, Pagan holidays ie Christmas, Trinity, Evolution, what is the Soul, The lost tribes of Israel ..you are doing a great job, keep it up

[@119Ministries]

Thank you so much!

[@danielturcotte9146]

I'm totally enjoying your videos on the different topics from the Bible

[@francesday8896]

Shalom. Blessed message

[@dam1371]

When was Abraham justified? Abraham was justified when he believed the Lord and the Lord reckoned it to him as righteousness, which is recorded in Genesis 15:6. James 2:21 echoed this revelation. Also, Matthew 5:17 states: "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill."

[@sourmilkministries9445]

What's your point, Dave? Are you suggesting that 119 Ministries is teaching that we are Justified by the works of the Law? And, are you also suggesting that the Messiah did away with the Law when He "fulfilled" it? If so, you err. _Romans 6:15 NKJV What then? Shall we sin [transgress the Law] because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!_

[@dam1371]

@@sourmilkministries9445 You are right in the scripture that we are no longer under the law. I agree with this but the argument has always been one or the other for those looking for self but this is the point. The gift of salvation is a free gift from God and is accomplished ONLY by him just as when the covenant was enacted only one who passed through the split offerings with God's covenant with Abraham. God put him to sleep and only he (GOD) passed through the sacrifice. We are justified to salvation by faith alone. This being said though, our faith can only be shown by the fruit we bear, faith without works is dead. For if we say we follow Christ and have not works then we have no fruit and do not actually follow our Lord but rather follow a slothful path. I realize that you have a point, I simply mean this and that the "LAW" is to be written on our hearts as well. Unless the principles of the law do not reside in the heart of the believer, we do not know God as we claim. Most have a (form) of Godliness but do not actually know him. They either walk thinking that works gain them salvation, Mat. 7:22 or they walk in faith but do nothing with it, James 2:14-16. Again the word says that he did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill the law. We know that the wages of sin are death and he IS the fulfillment of the law for our sins. Jesus paid the price for us for there is no remission of sin with out the shedding of blood, which Christ did for us. Romans 6:1-2 asks the question though, do we continue under the law? If we place the law in our hearts, it is our DESIRE to NOT sin rather than to continue in it claiming Christ grace shall increase for our sins. We simply cannot think for a moment that God's law is void and that while we live in sin, that even though we claim him as our savior, we are his disciples all the while producing fruit of the enemy. This is only one of the factors your vid touches on only dealing with faith and works. God is a God of the heart and from the heart of man comes forth what he is. Abraham worshiped God and his faith was made manifest in the action there of. If we remember God also told Mathew with his dream of the food that anything I bless is blessed in dead. Also Jesus asked a of the pharisees when they questioned him of working on the sabath of David eathing of the show bread in the temple which was only lawful for the priest to eat. The idea is that we do no abolish the law completely but understand what the law is for. It is for our good and it is not a law of the flesh but of the spirit. The spirit must hold these principles close and remember that while in the sinful flesh we have now we are unworthy of his holiness. We must depend on Christ and lean only on him alone take up our cross and follow him. This implies we be pure in heart seek his righteousness daily, moment by moment if we must, and work for him in all we do. We are his to glorify him. We find his presence in our lives and his spirit brings us to a fullness without reproach. This is not to say that we won't fall but through his sacrifice we are now ABLE not to sin rather than being bound by it as we were before our coming to faith. It always come down to the simple two laws gave to his disciples. Love the LORD with all your heart with all your soul and all your strength. The second, Love your neighbor as yourself. "who is my neighbor?" .... All the law hinge on this...

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@dam1371 👍 I read all of that, and I didn't pickup on anything that I disagreed with (other than there being no paragraphs 😁).

[@dam1371]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Sorry I'm not the greatest writer and and ty 😊

[@realmaxtovar]

👏👏👏 amazing excellent study. Thank you SO much!

[@christinekovic5791]

When Jesus (the Son of God our Heavenly Father) returns to Earth, we will be judged by God's HOLY law the Ten Commandments ...ALL TEN of them, including the 4th ..REMEMBER the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Sin is defined by the Bible as "LAWLESSNESS" and without God's laws, there is nothing to obey. ONLY God's laws are holy enough to reflect sin, they are "THE HOLY ORACLES of GOD," they are commandments, not suggestions. God requires our obedience, and He tells us point blank exactly WHO will enter Heaven, in Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that DO His commandments, that they may have the right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

[@Sugarlydeliciousness]

@Christine Kovic Jesus never mandated the keeping of the sabbath . He identified and clarified what laws we are to keep as seen in Matthew 19:16-30 and when asked by the rich young ruler what must you do to saved. Noticed his response to the man mirrored what he taught in Matthew with no mention of keeping the sabbath. Below is a conversation he had with the religious leaders when confronted by them for violating the sabbath, Mark 2: 27-28. 23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: *”Jesus responds with an argument that redefines the Sabbath, asserts his role as the promised Messiah, and points to his divinity. The Pharisees are understandably upset by this. But to Jesus, Sabbath observance pointed to something greater.”* As followers of Jesus, there is nothing written where we’re required to follow the laws given to Israel by God exactly. *Many of those commandments are cultural specific meaning given at a specific time to a specific group of people (identified in the Bible) for a specific purpose.* *Keeping of the Sabbath is not a commandment. Today’s believers are NOT bound to follow it as Jesus points out in Mark.*

[@indo3052]

@@Sugarlydeliciousness he listed a few of the 10. Didnt say all 10 but clearly hes talking about the ten

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@Sugarlydeliciousness The Messiah "mandated" the Sabbath when He spoke it like thunder and wrote it in stone. Moreover, based on your argument, we can not only break the Sabbath, but we can also have other gods, make idols, and bring the Most High's Name to ruin. Clearly, your argument is flawed.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@Sugarlydeliciousness And, oh, as for your citing of Mark? The Messiah - Who is the Supreme Authority (Lord) of the Sabbath - was simply rebuking the Pharisee's for wrongly condemning His disciples for plucking heads of grain. Whereas, you have contorted that passage into saying something it doesn't. That's called an Eisegesis.

[@Sugarlydeliciousness]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Uhmmm first of all the law was originally given to the Israelites when it was written on the stone. Second of all that culture doesn’t exist anymore. Third, when Jesus came he clearly stated in In Matthew 15:24, Jesus says, ''I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” You clearly aren’t of the sheep he spoke of because it was before your time. Finally, in Acts 15 The apostles and the elders gathered together to consider this matter on the custom of Moses on circumcision as it relates to the Gentiles. 19 Therefore (AS)my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, 20 but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. *Council of Jerusalem, a conference of the Christian Apostles in Jerusalem about 50 CE decreed that Gentile Christians did not have to observe the Mosaic Law of the Jews.* Whaaaat! Although circumcision was the original topic discussion the original disciples not only decided that Gentiles couldn’t follow the cutting of the foreskin requirements that was hard for the Jews who grew up following that law considered it a burden to follow but they also decreed as an additional clarification what laws the new Gentile converts should keep which didn’t include the sabbath or many of the other commandments. On hindsight the Four Gospels does not contain writings where Jesus mentioned/addressed the traditional circumcised ritual part of the law during his ministry. What!*

[@Kingdom_Finance]

“Think not that I came to abolish the law or prophets, I came not to abolish but to fulfill. For assuredly I say unto you, that until heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle will by any means pass from the law until ALL is fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17-18. This shuts down ALL nonsense 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@no1djkb]

Great teachings

[@Kingdom_Finance]

ruff diamond, you have no understanding of scripture and you speak on things of which you have no knowledge. The word fulfill means to realize something or to bring to reality; it’s used in this passage in contrast to abolish meaning exactly the opposite of abolish. The scriptures say there was never a prophet raised up like unto Moses again that spoke with YAH face to face not that there would be no more prophets. Furthermore, Christ is talking about the writings of the Old Testament prophets in this case; not literal prophets. Heaven and earth is still here and all the prophets have not yet been fulfilled; therefore, the entirety of the Mosaic Law is in effect. Additionally, Paul talks about the gift of prophecy therefore it’s clearly still here. Stay out of Paul’s writings as you’re unlearned and unstable and you twist them to your own destruction as you did those other scriptures. See 2 Peter 3:15-16. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@OrganicLifeAmendments]

ruff diamond - there are prophets living in these last days . That verse just says one like unto Moses who knew yah face to face.

[@louyah777]

Rough Diamond, read it as a whole chapter instead of cherry picking for context, a few passages prior it was referring to the law the Pharisees ADDED 613 laws to the Torah. Making the "law" burdensome, but the ACTUAL law is easy to keep as it states in the bible. Paul and all the apostles not only taught Torah but KEPT it also. Go back and read through Acts, Romans, Galatians and open your eyes to the things they did! The bible says his law is perfect, it also says it's for all the generations and for eternity. If you truly believe God's word is truth, you'd understand he knew the end from the beginning, so why would he say it's eternal if he knew it was only lasting until the Sacrifice of Christ? He wouldn't, he cannot lie and his words are carefully chosen. Shalom

[@louyah777]

@JD Simmonz What Jesus did was worth everything, not because he abolished the law but because he LIVED it as an example before he died. His death is part of a much bigger picture for our future, his 2nd coming. 119 also has a very clear teaching on this subject, I think it's called what is new about the new covenant. Covenants are stacked in the bible, not replacements. Hence we have rainbows still as an example. Furthermore how can you say all the prophets are in the past when revelation says there will be 2 in the end time. Look deeper. 😊

[@stevenjohnfoster8785]

Blessed Sabbath day all choosing t0 keep this day is circumcision 0f the heart 0r it is rather the fruit 0f being saved by grace

[@princeneo777]

Both will not save you. Only God can.

[@princeneo777]

@Soul You are fooled by your religious doctrine. We are not under the Old Law because it has no dominion over us.But it doesnt mean that there will be no laws at all because we are now under the Law of Christ wich is the Law of the Spirit and not those who are written in tables of stone.The Law has no dominion over us because we have the power and authority over sin as well us we have authority over satan and the evil spirits. Thats the power of faith in Christ in the New Covenant. You better read the Scripture without your religious interpretation.

[@princeneo777]

@Soul If I am a fool and your not,have you now perfected all the Law?, because you are claiming that you are now following the Law. Have you not stumble at one point? You mean you are perfect at this time or at a time you know God and have directly follow all the Law in your youth until the end?

[@DA-vv1vl]

"Jesus" was the living word, living law, living Torah. It is only through Yahushua that we receive salvation. You cannot separate obedience to the Torah from faith in Yahushua. The scriptures except for Paul, are clear that righteousness and justification come from being obedient to God and his Torah. Obedience is how you perfect and profess your faith. It is impossible to separate the two. If you do not love and live by the Torah than you reject the living Torah your messiah and salvation Yahushua. There is a clear difference in the way James explains faith and works according to Abrahams example, as opposed to the way Paul describes faith and works using the same example. It is the books of Paul that have caused so much confusion and division. Not one apostle spoke against the Torah, or living by the Torah, neither did Yahushua. The old testament prophets and fathers seem to think the law was the best most beautiful thing in the world that saved men from iniquity and death, bringing them comfort, protection, and wisdom. A stark contrast to the way Paul describes it.

[@Sugarlydeliciousness]

Come on now!! Too many teach Paul’s Epistles which are pastoral letters in place of Jesus Gospel which we are told to preach. While this person’s opinion sounds good it’s not sound teaching as he doesn’t mention comparisons between what Jesus taught against the councils conflicts.

[@sipandsynoptics]

or you don't understand Paul whatsoever. Which is why Peter says untaught and unstable people twist Paul's writings to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16. (Not that you are untaught or unstable, but that the ones who you've heard have taught that he's against the law are these kinds of people) Paul wasn't against the law at all. Acts 21:24 (James asks Paul to prove that he followed the law, and he did)

[@DA-vv1vl]

@@sipandsynoptics First, Peter did not write 2nd Peter and probably not 1st Peter, but almost no honest and logical scholar thinks Peter wrote 2nd Peter. It was written by greek pagan converts at a time where there was division and rejection of Paul. 2nd Peter was written to give apostolic authority to support Paul which was never there. The ebonites and nazarenes were the apostles'and first church decades before Paul came back on the scene 13 years after his conversion. The ebonites and Nazarene's kept the law of moses only used the gospel of Matthew in Hebrew and rejected Paul. I have heard the modern day hebrew roots people act as defense attorneys trying desperately to make him sound good, but the fact is he taught different things at different times depending on his audience. So if he praises the Torah in one book and then teaches something else in Galatians it is because the goal was confusion like Satan. Whether he knew it or not he was an instrument that caused confusion and put a stumbling block between israel and they're Messiah to this day. The ebonites rejection of him would be enough for me but his own words when people aren't trying to be creative harmonizing his different letters are enough to reject him. There is no other person in biblical history with the opposition and stacks of books and evidence written about his complications, confusion, and division his letters have caused. Not because people don't understand but because he says multiple different messages and people elevate the one they prefer instead of rejecting him altogether.

[@matthewsundholm8251]

Verse 1 and verse 5 are the same point. Not different. Verse 1 is those from Judaea that said gentiles must be circumcised. In verse four Paul and Barnabas made it to Jerusalem and were welcomed. In verse 5 some Pharisees brought up the subject that they came to discuss and basically were stating they agree with those from verse 1 and that circumcision is needed and they must follow the law of Moses. Those two vs 1 and 5 are two parties stating the same thing. In vs 8 & 9 Peter states that he personally witnessed God making no distinction between Jews that work to keep the law and Gentiles that do not. But he purifies them by faith alone. In vs 10 he then stated that they temp God to try to put that yoke, of following the law, when God has purified them by faith. The yoke he is talking about is a yoke of tying the gentiles to the law. The yoke Jesus is taking about that is easy and his burden is light, is not the law. It is a yoke where Jesus leads the way to rest, peace, and salvation, for those burdened and heavy laden with trials of life where there is not rest or salvation in themselves. Jesus said take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek (gentle) and lowly (humble) in heart ( his inner most being) and you shall find rest for your souls. I.E. a yoke of salvation. God said he would write his laws upon our hearts and in our minds ( Heb 10). Hence the law is not abolished, but has been changed from a work to a relationship with Jesus and guidance from the Holy Spirit. There are I believe 613 laws of Moses, many to do with blood sacrifices. If we are to keep the laws of Moses then those are to be included. Even the apostles would not have kept that portion of the law. So who is to say then which of the laws need to be kept. The only one is Holy Spirit who writes His laws in our hearts. The gentiles of that day needed to be told about staying away from idols, fornication, things strangled and drinking blood because they were raised in those things. The Holy Spirit would guide them in all other things as their relationship with the living God grew. In wrapping up, 1 John 2:27 states that we do not need any man teach us, but the anointing, which is the Holy Spirit, will teach us all things and that He is truth.

[@scottcaylor220]

yes there are 613, some for men, some for women, some for priests, some for temple, some for levites, not one person could keep them all until Messiah

[@w1lle1]

Amen brother.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

Matthew, the "yoke" is not the Law. The yoke is trying to be saved by the Law. Moreover, the Gentiles were to learn the Laws of God given through Moses - which were being read in the synagogues every Sabbath (Acts 15:21). You say who's to say which Laws are to be kept? Well, let's start with the TEN Commandments? Should they be kept?

[@princeneo777]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Did the Jew kept all the Laws?

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@princeneo777 *_Matthew 15:3 NRSV He answered them, "And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?_* Nonetheless, what's your point?

[@mypublic8507]

Jam 2:8 - Jam 2:13 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty. For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

[@FeWolf]

This is always an issue for me, I solved it, as a Believer and Follower of Yeshua, I will do as he did, keep the Law, after all I could not be wrong if I do as he did ?

[@iguanapoolservice1461]

Amen!!!

[@wydopnthrtl]

I default to the conservative side as well. Seems that "Christians" (always protestants) are arguing against Yahs principles. Imagine what the world would be like if everyone just accepted His ways and acted accordingly

[@charlesfoster575]

Thank you Father, for pouring out your Holy Spirit upon ALL FLESH and gently drawing your little children to know and love your ways! Help those of us who have been led by your Spirit to LOVE TRUTH operate within the same boundaries of love as we lead and guide those who have been taught lawlessness according to the vain philosophies and traditions of men that Col2:8 identifies, even though shallow readers use that very chapter to teach against your Torah (Instruction) when your people were keeping Torah and being opposed by the ascetic Gnostics who hated your rest and feasts. Sabbath was indeed made for man! May we spend it with YOU and conform to your ways by the power of your Holy Spirit as you desire the Bride of Messiah to be spotless according to Torah, as the WISE VIRGINS who conformed to Him before He returned...and send casual regard for your Torah far from us, lest we be rejected as the foolish virgins who accepted Messiah but were self-oriented and rejected when He returned for His Bride!!!

[@messengerisrael3817]

@Egbert Luis Gonzalas This is what the God of Israel said himself about how he sanctify you ( Exodus 31;12-13 And the LORD spake unto Moses saying , Speak thou also unto the children of Israel , saying , Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep ; for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generation ; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you ) , ( Leviticus 11;44,46 For I am LORD your God ; ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves , and ye shall be holy ;for I am holy ; neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth . This is the law of the beasts , and of the fowl , and of every living creature that moveth in the waters , and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth ) . You say that the law is not of faith , but this is what the Psalm say about the law ( Psalm 19;7 The law of the LORD is perfect , converting the soul ; the testimony of the Lord is sure , making wise the simple ) .

[@messengerisrael3817]

@Egbert Luis Gonzalas (Romans 10;17 So then faith cometh by hearing , and hearing by the word of God ) , ( Romans 2;11-15 For there is no respect of persons with God . For as many as have sinned without law shall perish without law ; and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law ; For not the hearers of the law are just before God , but the doers of the law shall be justified . For when the Gentiles which have not the law , do by nature the things contained in the law , these having not the law , are a law unto themselves .Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts , their conscience also bearing witness , and their throughts the mean while accuring or else excuring one another ) , ( 1st John 3;4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law ; for sin is the transgression of the law ) , ( Romans 1;1 Paul , a servant of Jesus Chirst , called to be an apostle , separated unto the gospel of God ) , ( John 6;38 For I came down from heaven , not to do by own will , but the will of him that sent me ) , ( Matthew 7;21 Not everyone that saith unto me , Lord , Lord , shall enter into the kingdom of God ; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven ) , ( 1st John 5;3 For this is the love of God , that we keep his commandments ; and his commandments are not grievous ) , ( Exodus 12;49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn , and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you ) , ( Malachi 3;6 For I am the LORD , I change not ; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed ) , ( Hebrews 13;8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday , and today , and forever ) , ( 2nd Timothy 1;1 Paul , an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God , according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus ) , ( Ecclesiastes 12;13-14 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter ; fear God , and keep his commandments ; for this is the whole duty of man . For God shall bring every work into judgment , with every secret thing , whether it be good , or whether it be evil ) , finally ( 2nd Peter 3;15-16 And account that the long suffering of the Lord is salvation ; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you ; As also in all his epistles , speaking in them of these things ; in which are some things hard to be understood , which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures , unto their own destruction ) . Remember , the wages of sin is death , something has to die ; Jesus Christ is the sin sacrifice for the remission of our sins ( Isaiah 53 , Romans 6;23 ) ; So what was the sin sacrifice before Jesus Christ ? The law of animal sacrifice , the blood of the animals , or the law of Moses . Moses was the mediator or husband of the covenant before Christ , and the blood of the animal was the covering/protection used through the Leviticus priesthood before being replaced by a better mediator ( Jesus Christ ) who has become our husband with his blood . The law of animal sacrifice was not of faith , and could not get your sins forgiven . Most of the nation of Israel did not believe that Jesus Christ was the seed to bless all nations as promised to Abraham , so their continued on in the law of animal sacrifice for their flesh through Moses , but not their heart through Jesus Christ . Paul was not only the apostle of the Gentiles , but also taught the Israelites scattered among the area ( Acts 9;15 ) ; when Paul would leave , the Israelites who did not believe in Jesus Christ would come to try to get them to go through the law of animal sacrifice for justification . Shalom !

[@johnberroya6239]

Im just curious. Yes, we are commanded to keep the TORAH, but if we break one, we break all. How is that? How to deal with that?

[@2bitNybble]

James says this (James 2:10) to state that we are all equally guilty. Paul makes reference to this in Galatians: Galatians 3:22 - "But the Scriptures declare that we are all prisoners of sin, so we receive God’s promise of freedom only by believing in Jesus Christ." Nobody can perfectly keep the Torah except the One who did, that is Yeshua. That does not mean that we should not try, however. This is how we are being made perfect. This is the sanctification process, and how are we sanctified? Yeshua tells us in the gospel of John: John 17:17 - "Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth." Don't worry about falling short. God allows this so that we will always acknowledge our need for Him in our lives. If we were able to perfectly keep the law then we might boast in our own works. God shows us mercy by not allowing this. Just remember to repent always and strive to live like Yeshua. I hope that this helps. God bless you John.

[@johnberroya6239]

Thankyou Adam Klassen for your response :) Praise Elohim

[@2bitNybble]

@@johnberroya6239 You're welcome John :) Praise Elohim indeed! Shalom my friend

[@gesi9781]

The very fact the Judiazers were demanding Gentiles to keep the Law of Moses only means the Apostles didn't teach the Gentiles to keep the Law Moses since the beginning.

[@mikejackakadebo7978]

Ge Si there is a difference from keeping the laws for salvation vs as a result of salvation The judaizers were teaching that you had to keep the law to be saved but only Christ we are saved by grace through faith But from that salvation and accepting Christ he empowers us to walk in the spirit and Gods laws and character.. book of romans shall we continue in sin God forbid Trying to please God in Flesh(self effort and having sin nature is impossible But through the spirit we fulfill the requirements of law romans We have died to our sin nature it has no power of us anymore once we are in Christ amen

[@gesi9781]

@@mikejackakadebo7978 read my comment again. The Judiazers were demanding Gentiles to keep the Law. If the Apostles were already teaching the Gentiles to Keep the Law of Moses then there would be NO reason for them to demand such either for salvation or out of obedience.

[@mikejackakadebo7978]

Ge Si lol oh ok great point about to go back and read amen iron sharpens iron thanks

[@jasonwthompson5003]

Are we to keep the sabbath? I’m a believer.

[@119Ministries]

Shalom Jason, You may be interested in watching and testing our "The Sabbath Day" teaching. You can find it here: www.119ministries.com/teachings/video-teachings/detail/the-sabbath-day/

[@jasonwthompson5003]

119Ministries I am blown away. I must dig into this matter! Thank you brother!!!!

[@jasonwthompson5003]

119Ministries I’m from Jasper AL. I’m am convinced that we should keep Moses laws out of obedience not salvation. Could you answer me something? How can I contact someone?

[@rosaliemisco]

@@jasonwthompson5003 See if there is a Living Church of God in your area. They keep the Sabbath and law of Moses.

[@jasonwthompson5003]

Rosalie Misco thank you I live in jasper aL. I’ve always felt a desire to keep sabbath now I know we shout-out of obedience.

[@tobytails4650]

I agree except for the circumcision group. They were teaching circumcision of Moses (not Abraham) which meant coming up under an ORAL LAW teaching of circumcision first then salvation in Yahshua which is incorrect of course. The yoke, as 119 mentioned, were oral law teachings that were a burden not the Law of Yahuah. If salvation didn't occur BEFORE the cross then what happens to King David, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the Prophets etc.....just saying.

[@Michael-ed5fs]

I like how you prepare the stage for your ideas with the phrase “is that what Acts 15 really teaches us?” (seems like I’ve heard this pattern somewhere lol) Where did you see these imaginary two parties there (obedience vs legalism)? There clearly was one and only “circumcision” party, which insisted on circumcising the gentiles, the plain reading of the text shows it’s true. According to your far fetched exegesis, you should circumcise gentiles any way you slice it, which clearly contradicts the direct meaning of the text, especially verses 24-29.

[@carnivoreRon]

The Pharasees knew the law for in Exodus 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn and unto the stranger...That is part of the Covenant that the One established with Israel when the One brought Israel out of Egypt, Exodus 6:6-7. There are not anymore sacrifices as a sin offering for forgiveness. With the New Covenant, Jesus was the sacrifice for everyone's sins. The Covenant that Jesus established is in that manner different than the former Covenant. Gentiles no longer need to be circumcised to be part of the the household of God, Ephesians 2:19. As the lambs blood prevented judgement and death from entering the houses in Egypt, so the blood of Jesus prevents judgement and death from occurring to believers.

[@sandyguerrero804]

The book of Deuteronomy completely dismantles Christianity.

[@general8109]

How, please

[@sandyguerrero804]

@@general8109 I'm so glad you asked! What I'm going to suggest to you is something i did myself and it was a year long process and not at all easy. The 1st thing you have to realize is, the 1st 5 books of the bible (Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers and Deuteronomy) were for the children of Israel and no one else. So when you read those books you have to read them through their (the Jews) eyes. The book of Deuteronomy is Moses giving the children of Israel a summary of the previous 40 years. He's reminding them of everything they had gone through plus he's reminding them of Gods laws for them (those laws were for the children of Israel and no one else) before they go into the 'promise land'. Kind of like a Commencement speech at a college graduation. Now with that in mind, go and read the book of Deuteronomy and you will understand why the Jews rejected Jesus and why they were right to reject him. Just because we gentiles (aka...the Nation's) took Jesus and turned him into our god makes no difference to the Jews. We gentiles are going to worship our gods our way but God tells the children of Israel not to worship Him the way the Nations worship their gods (Deuteronomy 12). Anyway, once you get through that book then go through the book of Psalms. In that book you will see how Jesus and David are polar opposites. There's so much more but that's probably enough for now. 😊

[@OrganicLifeAmendments]

Sandy Guerrero - numbers 15:16 16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you. Numbers 15:22-31 22 And if ye have erred, and not observed all these commandments, which the LORD hath spoken unto Moses, 23 Even all that the LORD hath commanded you by the hand of Moses, from the day that the LORD commanded Moses, and henceforward among your generations; 24 Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering. 25 And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance: 26 And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance. 27 And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering. 28 And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him. 29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them. 30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.

[@OrganicLifeAmendments]

Sandy Guerrero - as you can see sandy, those laws were given to us but EVERYONE that lived amoung us had to abide by them. We were supposed to show them how.

[@general8109]

@@sandyguerrero804 Thanks for you reply but did not Yahweh in Genesis say 'let us make Man' and would not that mean mankind and not just Israelites? Can you tell me when Israel was constituted as a Nation, in other words, when did Yahweh chose them as His chosen (special people)? Looking forward to your reply

[@kennethastewartjr9087]

I guess if Christ said to murder your neighbor people would argue not to. Its amazing how so much anger people have when it comes to obeying the one they call their Savior

[@DavidJayCohenCoolTV]

I am hard of hearing where are the subtitles don't you want people to know the truth???

[@Buttercookie-h7d]

My screen has closed captions located at the top right next to settings.

[@jessicafernandes3974]

Heyy can you please help me🥺 At 16:39 the verses showed in which Version of the Bible is it present in? Cuz the one i have (NIV)it isnt there Please Helpp🙏🏻🥺

[@119Ministries]

Shalom Jessica, We use the ESV for most Scriptures. If it is not the ESV, then we will put the translation in parenthesis. We hope this helps. Blessings to you and yours

[@SkylarRuloff]

What verse is shown at 16:43? I’ve searched all of chapter 15 in multiple translations and I can’t find anything close to that.

[@kathleentravitzfreeman3236]

43?

[@williamrevis3976]

@@kathleentravitzfreeman3236 time on the video 16:43

[@adolfoevia5417]

Not a verse it’s their take on verse 10-11

[@redeemed3856]

I believe we do need to follow Gods laws. Can you please clarify the circumcision issue for me!? 🤯

[@sourmilkministries9445]

119 Ministries has several videos on the subject. However, I strongly disagree with their position. Like many (if not most) Torah teachers, they believe that (adult) physical circumcision is an act of obedience. I agree that newborns should be circumcised (on the 8th day), but would contend that it was NEVER intended for adult converts in Yeshua.

[@brianmoore8596]

Circumcision is a symbol of the law and covenant. To be of the circumcision is to be set apart. However sects of early followers We're trying to require physical circumsicion. This is referred to in the epistles. I hesitate to comment in case I err but this is a good question. I hope this helps. Check out blue letter bible. A free resource. Type circumsion for instance into the search box and all scriptures containing that word will be pulled up. Blessings in Christ.

[@truthnottradition7]

What did Yeshua / Jesus do? There's our answer

[@redeemed3856]

@@sourmilkministries9445 thank u!

[@samphonnetgamgee5625]

I agree with you. But to argue against false beliefs: Where does it say "for now" (you only have to abstain from blood, idol worship etc.) ?

[@2bitNybble]

This is implied in the following verse. Acts 15:21 - "For these laws of Moses have been preached in Jewish synagogues in every city on every Sabbath for many generations.” This verse is key. The only reason to include it would be to state that the four commandments given are a starting point, and that over time the Gentiles turning to God would learn about the rest of the Torah as well.

[@2bitNybble]

@@joelwilliams8074 I am simply reading verse 21 in context Joel. So what about Matthew 5:17-19? Does abolish mean the same thing as fulfill? Have heaven and earth passed away?

[@Nomad58]

Question in your opinion. This is to this teacher. Can I live a disobedient lifestyle and still be with Christ in his coming Kingdom?

[@Ach_Yahshyal]

No, it is true we are to live by faith and to truly believe and truth in mashiach, but how can you truly believe if you don’t obey? If I tell someone not to jump into a fire and they say, I have faith and I believe in you, yet jump into the fire anyways, then they will still get burned. Obedience is the completion of faith which is righteousness.

[@Ach_Yahshyal]

We all stumble and fall tho, we’re not always righteous and perfect, that’s why our faith is what saves us not our works

[@Nomad58]

@@Ach_Yahshyal obedience and works are two completely different things

[@formersarge]

Hebrews 10.26 says if you willfully sin, after coming to the knowledge of the truth, there is no longer remission for sins.... so, you cannot willfully continue to sin and expect to be in heaven.

[@Nomad58]

@@formersarge I’m not sure how you think that verse says you cannot “lose” your salvation?

[@torahobservantsda]

Wasn't circumcision first commanded to Abraham?

[@ronymanuel507]

9 This is what the Sovereign Lord (YHWH) says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites. Ezekiel 44:9

[@craigsharp8886]

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[@craigsharp8886]

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[@codyalexander3290]

Ok but is that the sanctuary only?

[@SonnyNyet2327]

Will we entirely disregard Galatians 2, 3, 4, & 5? FAITH WORKING THROUGH LOVE! FOR ALL THE LAW IS FULFILLED IN ONE WORD - EVEN IN THIS, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF. Did Peter and Paul preach 2 gospels? This contradicts Galatians 1:8-9!

[@sourmilkministries9445]

This does not contradict Galatians. Simply stated: You're not keeping Galatians in it's proper context (which is trying to be saved by keeping the Law). Take Galatians 5:14, for example. When it says "all the Law is fulfilled", it's referring to all the Laws concerning the command to love your neighbor. It's not talking about all the Laws concerning loving God. Romans 6:15 NKJV What then? Shall we sin [transgress the Law] because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

[@nvdxn]

@@sourmilkministries9445 amen

[@josephineacolicol1990]

I want to please God that's why I kept the law of Moses. However, I believe that my SALVATION is only by God's GRACE through FAITH in JESUS CHRIST MY LORD & SAVIOR!!! Glory to God.

[@JoeHerdez777]

So we must circumcise then? I thought circumcision was of the heart

[@charlesfoster575]

Apostate, huh? You are thinking from the flesh..."WE MUST" is not the way to LOVE TRUTH. It is between you and God to continue in your sanctification as the only appropriate response to salvation by grace, but only the flesh and/or Satan would motivate you against Torah, brother. Define g0458 ANOMIA and you will not toy with rejection of Torah as the "christians" in Mt7:21-23 did and were told to "DEPART FROM ME, you who practice lawlessness." Don't be a casual self-oriented virgin, but LOVE TRUTH. 2Thes2:9-11 delusion has been promised to all who do not LOVE TRUTH...acceptance is not enough...we are commanded to love TRUTH/Torah...or we are like a prison inmate who is constrained, or a gold-digger bride who only wants what a husband can give her. Jesus will reject such a person, brother.

[@charlesfoster575]

@Emerald River, you wouldn't ask if YHWH cares about Torah IF you had read it like Jesus taught us to, brother. The Christ-like response to your red-herring distraction away from the Commands is: "...OBEY THE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF SCRIPTURE WHILE NOT NEGLECTING THE OTHERS AS WELL..." Mt23:23 & Luke11:42? You are listening to men, not God or His Word: I can tell by the way that you asked that question that you don't recognize the difference between mechanical obedience to the Truth and when a redeemed person LOVES TRUTH because God gave it to us. The act of obeying is not what sanctifies us. But, when a redeemed person who LOVES TRUTH reads Torah and chooses to obey it out of a changed heart that loves YHWH and His Word, He is being sanctified and transformed and is walking in the Light as Yeshua walked! Not for redemption, but for conformation to Messiah as a Bride. Do you think that a young woman naturally does everything that her equally young and impetuous husband wants her to do? If you do, you don't know any young brides very well. Even though she DESIRES to please her husband with her whole heart, a whole lifetime of learning, study and intimacy with him is required for her to conform to him in all her ways "as unto the Lord!" If that is the case when conforming to a human bridegroom, how much more is required to conform to the living God? (!!!) . I submit that only the infilling of the Holy Spirit can accomplish that, and HE WILL...as long as you are obedient to Him, and of course, Torah is the template that is needed so that we don't confuse our own wicked heart's desires with the desire of God to sanctify us unto Himself as a set-apart holy people who love Him. Torah = instructions...and YHWH didn't change His mind regarding how we are instructed to live. The Spirit and the Word can not be separated, as they are ECHAD--as we are with YHWH when we are also ONE WITH HIM through our love-motivated obedience. To answer you specifically as regards to Scripture: "Sanctify them in the Truth (Torah)" John 17:17 ... The first question we really need to ask is what does the word “sanctify” mean. In Greek, the term sanctify is the word, (hagiazw), which is related to the term (hagios), meaning “holy” or “set apart for sacred use.” 1John1:9 - But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness. (How can we confess sin apart from Torah which DEFINES SIN?) 1John 3:4 - Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is LAWLESSNESS. (ANOMIA, rejection of Torah, g0458, as found in Mt7:23 when Jesus warned how Christians could be rejected) 1John5:3 - ...this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome! AMEN! Rev14:12 - The Saints are those who keep the Testimony of Messiah and keep the Commands (Torah). LOVE TRUTH, or 2Thes2:9-11 delusion is certain...unto destruction. THESE THINGS DO NOT HAVE TO BE TAUGHT TO THOSE WHO ARE REDEEMED BY CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE BECAUSE OF THE BLOOD OF MESSIAH SHED FOR US TO RATIFY THE ABRAHAMIC BLOOD COVENANT AT 3PM ON PASSOVER, 30 AD...TO THE MINUTE THAT IT WAS PROPHESIED.

[@jrb2565]

Having started in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect in your flesh?You're the ones rebelling against the Gospel and building your own prisons.

[@princeneo777]

@@jrb2565 Being perfect will not be done by man, but in Spirit is done by God, you cannot save your own, only God can. No one can be saved without the work of the Holy Spirit.

[@jrb2565]

@@princeneo777 Correct - and adding the requirements of Torah to the Spirit and bootlegging (some of) them as "sanctification" is testing God

[@alhamilton8690]

The custom of physical circumcision just as water baptism is not part of being saved if you are led by the Holy Spirit to do the acts then by choice do them.

[@ericdumo3008]

John 3 vs 5: " Jesus (YESHUA) answered, verily, verily, i say unto thee, EXCEPT one be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God"

[@truthnottradition7]

Show in context verses that exhibit NOT being baptized plus NOT being circumcized = saved.

[@wordoftruth8173]

The commandment[LAW] you should concern yourself with is Deuteronomy 6:16 for that is the one first alluded to in the text: “…WHY TEMPT YE GOD, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples…” I need an exposition on verse 24 ”Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have TROUBLED you with words, SUBVERTING YOUR SOULS, saying, YE…BE CIRCUMCISED, and KEEP THE LAW: to whom we gave no such commandment” Also could you please give exposition on verse 28: “FOR IT SEEMED GOOD TO THE HOLY GHOST, and to us, TO LAY UPON YOU NO GREATER BURDEN than these NECESSARY THINGS “ In Christ and for the gospel, Shane Shaddix

[@snowadrian]

Still concerns the notion of placing burdens on the new believer before they learn Moses in their own time. The point is that they will eventually get there, so no one should be compelling people to be circumcised. The spirit will lead them to walk in the commands as they grow and mature.

[@rayray4192]

I gave you a big thumbs up on January 1. Nice post. Good rock solid biblical comments. Unfortunately Hebrew roots heretics can’t hear you. Demonic cultists are emotional conspiracy theorists who have been bewitched. You are viewed as a tool of Satan and speaking error. You are a commandment breaker to them, and you don’t obey God which means you don’t love God. The roots freaks are accusers of the brethren. They are not “ In Christ.” They have no part in the Body of Christ, and are actually loathed by Jesus. Jesus loathes all pompous Pharisees. You know all this- I’m simply using your post to speak a little truth about the heretics. Happy new year.

[@rayray4192]

@@snowadriancommands are identified in holy writ for new covenant new believers in Christ. Jesus was straightforward and easy to understand. At the end of the last supper Jesus commanded his disciples to choose love as he loves; sacrificial love. Love is a choice for the highest good. Jesus explained to his disciples that the lost world would know you are Hs disciple by the depth of your love for each other. Exactly zero humans have been impressed by Pharisaical ritual keeping. Jesus desires mercy; not sacrifice. The fantasy ( Mosaic Law is nonexistent), rituals of Hebrew roots heretics are an abominable to God.

[@snowadrian]

@@rayray4192 Foolishness. Reread what Yeshua is saying about the law and the prophets. Whoever does and teaches the least of these will be called great in the kingdom. Yeshua is teaching against the oral law, and commandments of men, but not against the law of God (the Torah). God for forbid.

[@rayray4192]

@@snowadrian wrong, but thanks for playing. Jesus had no ministry to gentiles. He came for Israel, and most of Israel rejected him. Jesus gave his gospel message to the apostles. Here’s Paul proving you are bible illiterate and a biblical fool.” You show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” All Christians know this is second Corinthians 3. The next sentence is “ Now if the ministry of death carved in letters on stone came with glory…..You know the rest . Paul juxtaposes the glory of the old covenant with the glory of the new covenant. You desire to place disciples under a yoke of bondage with letters of death. You don’t love God, and you don’t love His Bride. God gets angry when you attack His bride. God is funny that way. You are not “ In Christ.”

[@dl4087]

What is the source of your verses? It is different than the KJV and the CJB. So as and example Acts 15:19. From what you are saying vs the other two sources that I have mentioned the wording is completely different than what you are stating.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

They are using the NKJV

[@thembanhlapo4828]

The Conclusion of this teaching, suggests that we (Non-Jews) should keep he Law of Moses. I disagree. James, insisted that Paul do all those Jewish Customs to cover up, but those guys didn't buy it, they still ceased him from the temple. That's why Paul says "I become everything to every body to win them...ie A Jew to Jews" But in the book of Galatians 2: (Confrontation with Peter), he says and I quote from verse 11 "11Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? 15We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. 17“But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! 18For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. 19For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” GRACE IS BY REVELATION BROTHER, Paul says he wasn't taught the gospel of Grace, it was revealed by Jesus himself, when he called him to preach to the Gentiles. Gal 1: 11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ. My Conclusion, we're Non-Jews; Our Righteousness is Imputed/Accounted; Christ became sin, so that we can be of the Righteousness of God. Our salvation is not by works or observation of the law of Moses. We're taught by Grace...see Titus 2: Trained by Saving Grace!! 11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

[@jonathangordon6930]

notice you quote what destroys your argument, visa vis 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works. "righteously" means in obedience to the Law of Moses. "redeem us from every lawless deed" refers to forgiveness for transgressions prior to repentance from lawlessness.

[@nvdxn]

are you saying James told Paul to obey Gods Law in Act 21 as a deception to appease the Jewish believers?

[@richardherrera6754]

HalleluYah

[@minutofgroundhog]

Are churches supposed to be under the council or independent ?( real question )

[@MrTappers7]

The scriptures give the image that the new church under Peter and James very much mimicked the Sanhedren Jewish model they would have grown up in. So the churches are Semi-Autonomous but they still answered to the high council leadership much like how the synagogues operated semi independently but still answered to the Sanhedren and High Priest. A good analogy would be that the churches are like military outposts in hostile territory with the "high command" in Jerusalem with Apostles like Timothy and Paul going to the outposts for support and setting up new outposts. I know its not a perfect answer but hopefully it helps.

[@Sugarlydeliciousness]

You make the analogy that the difference between Greeks/Gentiles and Jews were Greeks/Gentiles were raised without God’s law (culture steeped in idolatry) and Jews was raised knowing God’s law. 35:37-3:30. That’s an illogical error because throughout the Old Testament before Israel was taken out of Egypt and after deliverance from Egyptian rule and through out Old Testament into Christ era and afterwards the Jews were into idol worshiping. So you definitely have come to the wrong analogy regarding the difference between them that requires correction to avoid misunderstanding and error in your teachings. You have quite a few misconceptions in this presentation that requires addressing. Read your comments as some disagree with what you teach. I pointed out mine and eagerly wait to hear your response. Maybe I missed something that you can help me understand. Thank you in advance for addressing my comment.

[@kennethastewartjr9087]

If I understand but correct me if I'm wrong they had the law given to them but like Christians today they carry the bible(which has the law in it)to church but don't keep it either

[@Sugarlydeliciousness]

@@kennethastewartjr9087 Yep...

[@caseyplace1115]

can you provide a verse that says since the Jews decided not to follow the law it means they didn't have the law? All throughout the old testament Israel got punished for not following the law. How do you think they ended up in Egypt to begin with? Jews were raised with the law and this verse confirms it 1 john 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. Yah wasn't the God of the gentiles so they never had the law, which means they cannot be raised with the law. So they are correct here. I hope this helps you through your walk of life, shalom brother

[@nicks0alive]

Im still confused: Does this mean that new believers should one-day want to be circumcised for God???

[@sourmilkministries9445]

Unfortunately, that's what 119 Ministries teach in their videos on circumcision. However, I would respectfully contend that they're wrong. My position is that there are no instructions in the Torah for post-Messiah Gentile CONVERTS to be circumcised, even as "an act of obedience" apart from salvation, as 119 Ministries teaches. (I welcome correction.)

[@nicks0alive]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Thank you for the reply, I mean they present a good case, but I was always taught "circumcision by heart". I want to delve deeper into the faith and really understand everything. This was a great video but I was confused by the end. Thank you for your reply, and God Bless happy Veterans Day!

[@jeffreyalvarez3035]

@@nicks0alive Yahweh always required both spititual and physical acts. The circumcision of the heart is mot some new thing. It was always required in the law along with the physical. The law says that no circumcised male be it natural born Israel or stranger can take patt in the passover. You do realize Jesus is the passover so this means that you cannot take part in Christ if you are not circumcised both in heart and physically.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@jeffreyalvarez3035 Shalom, Jeffrey. The situation you cited of not being able to partake of the Passover was in the context of the Laws that applied prior to the Messiah's coming. There is nothing in the Torah that I'm aware of which instructs post Messiah Gentile CONVERTS to be physically circumcised. On the contrary, post Messiah Gentile CONVERTS are "physically" circumcised in Christ. That's what the Scriptures teach in Colossians 2, and in Ephesians 2, etc. Colossians 2:11 NKJV In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, The reference (above) to a circumcision "made without hands" is referring to the process of being physically circumcised (with hands), as demonstrated in the first verse below. Ephesians 2:11-22 NKJV Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh-who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands- (12) that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. (13) But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. (14) For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, (15) having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, (16) and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. (17) And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. (18) For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. (19) Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, (20) having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, (21) in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, (22) in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. "The middle wall of separation" and "the enmity" [mentioned above] that existed between the two groups was that of physical circumcision, which Yeshua removed. Hence, this is why Paul referred to that removal as "the offense of the Cross" Galatians 5:11 ISV As for me, brothers, if I am still preaching the necessity of circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. With that being said, please note, however, that physical circumcision is alive and well in as far as any subsequent male infants of those "post Messiah Gentile CONVERTS" are concerned. That's because those Gentile converts are NOW part of Israel; and, as such, they are to circumcise their male infants on the eight day, as commanded in the Torah. I welcome correction.

[@jeffreyalvarez3035]

@@sourmilkministries9445 If Paul is really claiming what you are saying that would make him a false prophet. The Torah clearky says that strangers bought with money or who choose to cling to the Yahweh have to be circumcized. Nothing in the prophets or new testament can contradict the first 5 books of Moses. Paul already gets a bad rap for being some kind of anti-torah Israelite which is not true and saying he does not support eventual circumsion adds to that narrative. The whole arguement in Acts 15 is about being fair to Gentiles by easing them into Torah obedience rather than pushing the entirety of the law on them for them to even participate in Sabbath Torah lessons. The circumcision party did not want to let the Gentiles enter the synagogue without being circumcized and Paul and other Apostles were very much against it because these gentiles were already showing signs of being favored by God.

[@budyharianto8229]

I do wonder that this term such legalism really exist i that era in full complete definition as we today??... Do we judge them in their context in our term today?.. why so??.... For sophisticated argument??

[@wilcandou]

31:29 Critical thinking point: What's not to say that Paul wasn't talking about the circumcision of the heart regarding Timothy? As Paul wrote about in Romans.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

How could Paul have Timothy's heart circumcised? No, Timothy was physically circumcised. Regardless, the real question is why? Fortunately, we're told why, and it's not because Timothy was being "obedient". It's because the Jews - which Timothy was going off with Paul to "evangelize" - wouldn't have had any association with Timothy if he hadn't.

[@kylefields177]

@@sourmilkministries9445 But why would James reiterate the Council's decision concerning Gentiles when instructing Paul to go with other Jews intending to take a Nazirite vow? Was this to purposely be deceiving? Was James being redundant? Why would James mention, "for Moses has been preached in every synagogue on the Sabbath" after the council's decision? Was this just unnecessary rambling too? Why would Jesus say in Matthew 23, "to listen to the Pharisees for they sit in Moses' seat, but do not do what they do"? The answer is evident when you can set preconceptions aside and battle cognitive dissonance.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@kylefields177 There are no inconsistencies to battle, as there are two different issues at hand. The first is whether Gentile converts can be saved without first being circumcised? Whereas, the second is whether Gentile coverts need to circumcised (as an "act of obedience") after being saved? The answers are yes, and no, respectively.

[@kylefields177]

@@sourmilkministries9445 And how did you come to this conclusion?

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@kylefields177 (Assuming that I've interpreted your question properly) Acts 15, as well as other passages, make it clear that circumcision is not a prerequisite of salvation. Do you not agree with that? Let's settle that question before moving on to whether Gentiles need to be circumcised (after being saved) as an "act of obedience"?

[@gene4231]

In Acts 15:13-14 some bibles do say, Simon and some say Simeon. The latter is correct. When Jesus was 8 days old his parents took him to be circumcised at the temple. The old prophet, Simeon took the baby in his arms and proclaimed, a light to lighten the Gentiles and the glory of thy people Israel. Notice he mentioned the Gentiles first.

[@bretthastings3287]

Not to say that we shouldnt follow the law of moses and of Christ but what about acts 15:23-24? They wrote this letter by them: The apostles, the elders, and the brethren, To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia: Greetings Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”-to whom we gave no such commandment- acts 15:23-24

[@sandyguerrero804]

God didn't blind the Jews. Isaiah 45:he says: “I am the Lord, and there is no other. 19I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob’s descendants, ‘Seek me in vain.’ I, the Lord, speak the truth; I declare what is right.

[@4truthistrue434]

Isa6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. Rom11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. The whole reason why God is using the gentiles is to make Israel Jealous. Deu32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. 21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

[@wiseobserver7891]

@@4truthistrue434 That is Israel, the Northern tribes.

[@manuelgandia2863]

Brother between verses 10-11,,, I still don’t see what you say in the video on the Bible please with all respect I would like to understand in full the teaching so that I can teach to others thank you and Shalom

[@StevenRetz]

I agree with most of this. The big thing I disagree with is that Torah and Law of Moses are two different things.

[@chermiller8369]

No they are not. Where do you think moses got the law!

[@StevenRetz]

@@chermiller8369 they are. Law of Moses is primarily the two daily lambs that ended at Yeshua's death. Torah is eternal.

[@kayjewelers9999]

@@StevenRetzLaw of Moses isn’t from Moses! Moses was the vessel in which who Yahuah gave his law through as a mediator. It is TORAH. The teachings of our father!

[@StevenRetz]

@@kayjewelers9999 in is a bad translation, through would be a better one. But still youhsaid nothing to the core of my statement. Torah is eternal. Law of Moses is primarily the two daily lambs given as punishment that end at the cross.

[@LarryXLR]

You guys always have the most divide comment sections. I can't tell if your followers are Christians or Jews.

[@Truth2ber]

So-it sounds like you will be blessed abundantly if you learn nothing more than to stop following men, Larry.

[@CascadianPatriotII]

Well, Christianity is a form of cafeteria Judaism.

[@DavidNoach65]

In a sense, neither. Followers of Messiah Yeshua. Christianity, while it has the basics of salvation and who God is correct, it misses out on the basic interpretations of the Gospels and especially Paul's writings. It is guilty of taking away from Torah. Judaism, by following Oral Law, has added to Torah, thus violating the command in Deuteronomy.

[@verilyisayuntoyou4329]

It’s a shame this doesn’t have closed captions.

[@119Ministries]

Shalom, Thanks for reaching out. Closed Captioning is available on all of our videos. When you play the video, you will see a CC button on the bottom. Just click that to have it turned on. If you dont see the CC button, you can also click the settings button to turn them on. We hope this helps. Blessings to you and yours...

[@verilyisayuntoyou4329]

@@119Ministries for some reason it’s blacked out on this video. I watched it anyway but I had a bad migraine so had to put the volume very low. Not sure if this information is being suppressed or just a strange error but I checked again and I can’t turn them on for this video. Thanks for the video regardless.

[@emanuel197u]

​@@119Ministries Captions are not available 😢

[@SDsc0rch]

can confirm - no CC for me either (not that I need it - but it is curious...)

[@Buttercookie-h7d]

It's there at the top right on my screen (using an android)​@@verilyisayuntoyou4329

[@neilmccarthy6201]

This is a Hebrew roots video. The scripture is clear, gentile believers are not required to be circumcised. Read verse 5, who is the ‘them’ , it’s the believing gentiles, so they are already saved and the Pharisees want to still circumcise them, circumcision is not required for gentile believers. Period. Hebrew roots requires us to ignore the obvious interpretation of scripture.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

Unfortunately, you are correct, for the most part. This is to say that most (but not all) Hebrew Roots teachers do indeed incorrectly teach that Gentile coverts are to be circumcised as an "act of obedience". I, however, do not teach that error. Gentile converts are circumcised in Yeshua. (Note: Infant circumcision still stands.)

[@shlomicohen2341]

What you've written above is the result of basing all of your beliefs off of the New Testament alone. Let me make this fundamentally clear. You will NEVER understand the New Testament correctly until you understand the Tanakh. Circumcision is a Commandment ALL believers in Jesus are obligated to observe.

[@neilmccarthy6201]

Shlomi Cohen you are correct when you say ‘you’ll never understand the New Testament until you understand the Old Testament’, we must understand that the law of Moses is that difficult to follow perfectly. Only one person could, and that was Jesus Christ, He completed the law that we couldn’t. We now have been united in Him, both Jew and gentile (acts 15:11). The scripture is super clear, in regards to the question ‘should a gentile believer be circumcised?’ The answer is no. But if people love the law more than Christ himself who died to complete the law for us, then they will twist some kind of crazy interpretation out of the Bible instead of taking the obvious one. The law will not save you, only Jesus Christ! Or Yeshua Hamashiach if people prefer to refer to Him in the ancient Hebrew language. Shalom

[@neilmccarthy6201]

Shlomi Cohen also remember if you want to follow the law, you can’t cherry pick what laws you want to comply with. Law Num 68 is ‘to not shave the sides of you hair’. The guy in this video is clearly breaking that law, but at the same time he tell us we should be circumcised. Remember how Jesus spoke about the Pharisees that told others to keep the law when they themselves weren’t. Christ is the answer, give everything you have to Him.

[@shlomicohen2341]

You have written and I quote, "we must understand that the Law of G-d is that difficult to follow perfectly" Did you even watch this sermon? You're misunderstanding their position but that's not all. I am not intentionally trying to be cruel but you're another example of a Christian writing/saying the complete opposite to G-d. Deuteronomy 30:11 "For this Commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off" Why are you telling me the Law of G-d is difficult to follow if G-d Himself says it isn't? Also, by claiming circumcision is no applicable anymore the person who taught you this is a false Prophet according to Deuteronomy 13:1-5 even if it's Jesus.

[@BCSJRR]

Hmmmm.... Didn't the LORD make his covenant with Israel, not with the entire world (and again in Jer 31). And while Jesus said that not the smallest bit of the law will pass away until the heavens and earth pass away, he than added "until all is accomplished". He then said on the cross at the end "it is accomplished". So doesn't that leave post-crucifixion believers with the law specified in Jer 31 - that is written on our hearts? However Jeremiah doesn't seem to specify exactly what that law is? Paul points out that if we believe something to be sin, and we do it, then we have sinned which would seem to agree with Jer 31. Not that Jer 31 and Heb 8 are a license to do what ever comes to our minds. Jesus summed up the law and prophets with "extravagantly love the LORD your god and love your neighbor as yourself" Do I love the Lord when things are going well? Of course. Do I love Him less when I'm dealing with health issues or when I hear about a car filled with believers gets trashed in a tornado in Kentucky? I hope not. Do I love Him less when I'm wrassling with how there could be day and night before the sun was created? No because He's God and I'm not. So am I sinning when I do church on Sunday vs Saturday or if I eat shrimp? I wonder if the church leaders in Acts 15 may had grasped the ramifications of Jer 31 yet, such as which law are the reborn in Christ to be obeying? If the church leaders in Acts are to be deemed unreliable, then why bother reading any of Paul's, Peter's, or John's writings as their content now becomes suspect...

[@sourmilkministries9445]

When Yeshua said it was finished (teleo), He was either saying that He's paid our sin debt, or that He had finished all the work the Father give Him to do. He was most definitely not saying that ALL the Law and the prophets have been fulfilled (ginomai) , as that does not happen until Revelation 21. You know, right after the Heavens and Earth have passed away! Revelation 21:1 NKJV Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Revelation 21:6 NKJV And He said to me, 👉"It is done! (ginomai)👈 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. And, FYI: Jeremiah tells us exactly what's to be written on our hearts - The Torah!

[@jimharmon2300]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Yes Jesus fulfilled what he was to do . His assignment was finished. What Jesus Came To Do Separate tares from the wheat Matthew 13:40 (KJV) As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Did not come to send peace Matthew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Division Matthew 10:35 (KJV) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Luke 12:53 (KJV) The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. Look around you and see .

[@nvdxn]

If you check the Greek, Jesus did not say ‘it is accomplished’ on the cross. Jesus does say ‘it is done’, ‘all is fulfilled’ or ‘it is accomplished’, (depending on your translation) using the exact words He used in Matt 5:18 when ALL the Law and the prophets are fulfilled in Revelation and there is a new heaven and earth, just as He said. All the Law and prophets were not fulfilled at His death on the cross. For example, just using some basic logic and reading comprehension, He had not fulfilled the resurrection at His death He had not fulfilled the First Fruits offering at His death He had not fulfilled sending the Holy Spirit on Pentecost at His death When He said ‘it is finished’ He was talking about ransoming us from the power of death

[@BCSJRR]

@@nvdxn Since I made the post I've read more and now I find myself agreeing that the law is still present and in effect. That leaves the question, given Paul writes that we (believers in Jesus as the Christ) are no longer under the law, what is the law to such believers. So far I've not found a satisfactory answer. The best so far is that non-believers in Jesus as Christ are still under the law and are required to obey all of it (Paul writes that if one becomes circumsized as a requirement, then Jesus is of no further benefit, and such a person is required to keep the entire law. If even the smallest piece is violated, that person is guilty of the entire law. Which makes me extremely thankful for Grace as I find myself uncomfortably close to the state Paul described himself in at the end of Romans 7.

[@nvdxn]

@@BCSJRR I am glad you are pondering this further. Paul wrote in Gal that if you get circumcised TO BE JUSTIFIED then Christ is of no further benefit. That statement is not applicable to a believer who is justified by faith who chooses to get circumcised in obedience to Gods Word. As for what Paul wrote about Christians not being ‘under the law’ If that statement is stopping you from understanding what Paul meant, have you made sure you understand correctly what Paul meant when he wrote that believes are not ‘under the law’? The first time Paul used this term in his letters is in Rom 3:19 where he defined it for us. People who are ‘under the law’ are guilty before God. In other words, people who are ‘under the law’ are NOT obeying the Law, they are unrepentant sinners/transgressors. If you think Paul is saying we do not have to obey the Law because we are not ‘under the Law’ it doesn’t make sense if we know that the people who are ‘under the Law’, as defined in Rom 3:19, are not obeying the Law. To confirm my interpretation, in Rom 6 Paul writes that the person who is ‘under the Law’ is ‘under the dominion of sin’. People who do not sin are obeying Gods Law instead of breaking His Law People who do not sin are not ‘under the dominion of sin’ Rom 6 tells us that those who sin will reap the wages of sin which is the (second) death. If you have repented from sin through faith in Yeshua you are ‘under grace’ not ‘under the law’ which is a term Paul uses to refer to earning the wages of sin, the ‘law of if you sin you die’ (as we learn in Ez 18) Paul says the same thing in Gal 5 Those who are ‘under the law’ are ‘walking in the flesh’ and committing a whole long list of sins They are not obeying the Law, When we take the time to read carefully what Paul wrote we understand that the wonderful truth that we are ‘under grace’ and not ‘under the law’ is NOT saying we are not expected to obey God’s law. If you read Rom 7 Paul states that we want to keep the Law and do what is good, but our flesh is at war against us stopping us from doing what we want to do, which is to obey Gods Law. Thats why we need Yeshua to free us from the body of death, and at the conclusion, in Rom 7:25 Paul clearly wrote that he is ‘subject to Gods Law’ instead of the flesh, which is why Romw ch 8 starts with a THEREFORE, Rom 8:1 therefore we are not condemned if we do not walk in the flesh (depends of your translation, some leave that bit out). In Rom 8:1-7 Paul clearly wrote that if we are not ‘walking in the flesh’, we are ‘walking in the spirit’, and if we are walking in the flesh we hate God and are NOT ‘subject to Gods Law’ and are not able to be obedient, therefore, if we are walking in the spirit we are able to be ‘subject to Gods Law’ and be obedient, like Paul in Rom 7:25, thank God. Being ‘subject’ to Gods Law means to ‘obey’ Gods Law When we properly define what Paul means by being UNDER THE LAW, there is no confusion, its a simple message

[@linda.brotherton1689]

Thank you very informative lesson. My personal experience from unscriptual Christianity. Thank you

[@yentsao5562]

“Will not their livestock, their property and all their beasts be ours? Only let us agree with them, and they will dwell with us.” And all who went out of the gate of his city listened to Hamor and his son Shechem, and every male was circumcised, all who went out of the gate of his city. On the third day, when they were sore, two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brothers, took their swords and came against the city while it felt secure and killed all the males.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭34‬:‭23‬-‭25‬ ‭ESV‬‬ The LAW taught me, that falling for “bait and switch” of the “circumcision” caused their lives. The teaching of this video, sounds too much like another “bait and switch”,…”salvation by faith… but, once “save” you got to be “circumcised” to show obedience, or else… Really? What will we lose this time? Our eternal life?😢

[@damimoore2367]

Love this!

[@MarkCurtis-eh3ue]

Paul wrote to the Galatians and asked them who has bewitched you oh foolish Galatians..... chapter 3 is a pretty clear explanation of the law and its purpose and what Christ did. We have the law of God written on our hearts now that we are spirit filled believers. The law isnt abolished, but fulfilled 36:26 in Christ

[@joshua123r456]

This is what is hard for me to understand! We are not justified by the law but yet we do them to obey !! So does that mean that by disobeying it we sin thus not being saved ! Because sin is death ! So which one is it , because scripture clearly says we aren’t justified by it

[@truthnottradition7]

If you gave instructions to your child and they love you what will they do? (obey you) And sometimes they will fail in that obedience (sin) so at that time do you throw them away? No of coarse not. Your expectation is that they will continually improve and one day perfectly obey your command.

[@joshua123r456]

@@truthnottradition7 thanks for response but this is my issue , in the book of Colossians it says But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation- , we are blameless and holy without following the law in perfection, isn’t staying away from sexual immorality fornication etc enough ? Also Galatians 5 describes a list of things that does not allow us to inherit the kingdom and those things are flesh manifestations only which is the only thing that keeps you away from the father 🤷🏻‍♂️!

[@truthnottradition7]

​@@joshua123r456 Are you by chance using dispensationalism as a basis? I used to but now think in terms of Law and covenants only. (the NT writings now make 100% sense to me) Romans 2:6 - We are to keep the Laws of God and we will be judged on them. Ephesians 1:7 - In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us.

[@bongpalermo9359]

Is there any market place sell prohibited food for the jews in the market place of the gintle converted in the time of paul?? If there is? Why paul told them to buy any food in the market place? Think of it?

[@sourmilkministries9445]

You need to keep Paul's words in their proper context. _1 Corinthians __10:25__ NKJV Eat whatever is sold in the meat market, asking no questions for conscience' sake;_ The question that Paul referred to was: *_Has this meat been sacrificed to an idol?_* The question most definitely was not: *_Is that a pork chop or a lamb chop?_*

[@libertyfarmsiowa]

Christians hate the law of YHWH, but love their own man made civil law. The civil law has its origins in Babylonian/Roman civil law. Jews hate the Torah, but love their Babylonian Talmud, man-made civil law, yet both hold up the Bible as the authority for their ideology. I wonder, when the King establishes His millennial reign on earth, what form of Law will the people during that 1000 years be keeping? All governments have at least one form of law. And His kingdom is a theocratic monarchy with His form of law. YHWH hates democracy (see Korah's rebellion in Numbers 16) so I doubt the Kingdom will have a legislative body to make civil law. The US for instance has 3 forms of Law: Common Law, Admiralty/Maritime, and Equity (See US Const. Article 3, Section 2) and Congress passes all sorts of civil law under its plenary power over the Admiralty/Maritime, because it has plenary power to rule over interstate and foreign commerce. Christianity was created by the Roman Emperor Constantine in its current traditions and customs, so it makes sense that Christians would hate YHWH's law, but love the Roman civil law. “If we search out the origins of Roman law, we must study Babylon…” - Pollack & Maitland, The History of the English Law Before the time of Edward I. p.561 “The civil law arose from the ashes of the old Roman Empire and added to its emperor worship the cloak of nominal Christianity. By the tenth century, the imperial Roman Church had become the chief carrier of the old Roman Empire’s civil law tradition; the visible trappings and ceremony of its religious-political doctrines, through deceit, lent an air of intimidation, respectability, and prestige. Thus, by the canon law, ancient Rome’s civil law persisted, not only in its continental presence but also by its tentacles -reaching, groping, grasping, throughout the world. By the seventh century, Roman law again reached into Britain. This time, however, not by Rome’s legions but by Rome’s priesthood. Thus began in earnest the struggle between the common law and the civil law, between Scriptures and Justinian’s Code. That struggle came to dominate, define, and determine the history of Britain, her colonies, North America, and the United States.” - Brent Winters, The Excellence of Common Law: Compared & Contrasted with Civil Law In Light of History, Nature & Scripture; p. 38 The Anglo-Saxons followed the Torah. Quotes from: “Missing Links Discovered In Assyrian Tablets” by E. Raymond Capt, M.A., A.I.A., F.S.A., Scot. Chapter 12, p.199: “Their [U.K. & USA] legal systems and constitutions are built upon the same Common Law, which had its origin in the Law of Moses - the Law of the LORD - hence the fame of American & British justice throughout the world. We should point out that these laws formed a part of our culture long before the Christian Era. These facts give us added proof, forming another ‘link’ in the chain of evidence connecting us with ancient Israel. The Common Law began in England as far back as 1100 BC when it was codified by Brutus (Brute) of Troy. Brutus was a great grandson of Aenaes, a descendant of Judah-Zarah [See Genesis 38: 27-30]. The Law was again codified by Malmutius - about 500 BC. King Alfred the Great again codified it. Alfred, the renown Saxon law-giver and Administrator during the Saxon period, places the Divine origin of the Law in the forefront. The following is taken from “Alfred the Great” which proclaims the law of Moses as the basis of Anglo-Saxon Administration: The King’s Laws “…coming, then to his task with this in view, we find Alfred’s code, or Alfred’s dooms as they are called, starting with an almost literal transcript of the Decalogue. The only variations of any moment are, that the second commandment is omitted from its right place, and stands as the tenth…immediately after the Ten Commandments come selections from the Mosaic Code, chiefly from the 21st, 22nd, and 23rd chapters of Exodus, very lightly modified” Even Americans before Reconstruction kept the Common Law, which has its origins at Mount Sinai, but after Reconstruction they abandoned the Common Law in favor of contracting into civil law: admiralty/maritime, UCC, equity, etc.: United States supreme Court, Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973): “In this country, the law in effect in all but a few States until mid-19th century was the pre-existing English common law...It was not until after the War Between the States that legislation (civil law) began generally to replace the common law.” It is said that the greatest trick the devil ever pulled off was getting mankind to believe he didn't exist. I say that is bull. The devil's greatest stunt was getting mankind to believe that YHWH's law was nailed to the cross, so that the only law men could follow was Babylonian/Roman civil law, the law of Satan, since he is the prince of the civil law earthly governments.

[@libertyfarmsiowa]

@Song bird Not sure what doesn't make sense to you. If your Jewish neighbor keeps Torah and rejects the Talmud then he/she is Karaite, not Orthodox, Conservative or Reform. You're a rare exception if you claim to be Christian and don't hate the Torah. Well done. All the Christians I've ever met don't keep the law of YHVH, claiming they don't have to, while they pledge allegiance and keep the laws of their many earthly "gods" (ELs, Theos: Sovereign powers, law makers, ruling judges, mighty ones of authority). "The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we [Jews] observe - whether we are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists - we follow the Talmud. It is our common law." - Herman Wouk in New York Herald-Tribune, November 17, 1959. "Judaism is not the religion of the Bible." - Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser "Judaism and the Christian Predicament", 1966, p. 159. "The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The Talmud is the largest and most important single member of that literature." The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. VIII, (1942) p. 474.

[@libertyfarmsiowa]

@Julie L Please, explain how, using citations. Make a reasoned argument.

[@libertyfarmsiowa]

@Julie L What a cop out . If you don't even know the WORD of God well enough to enter into a reasoned discussion, like any good Berean, then maybe you should not make allegations about people you don't even KNOW at all that you cannot back up with Scriptural citations. Weak!

[@libertyfarmsiowa]

@Traveling to a distant land Seriously? I asked the lady to defend her position with citations and scriptural proofs. she refused. And with you I'll do the same thing. If I am wrong, that Christians HATE the TORAH of YHWH, I will change, but the burden of proof is on the Christian to defend their lawless ideology as being a way to show love to YHWH. When the Word clearly defines "Love" as those that keep the Torah. That is how we show our love to YHWH and to our neighbor. What Christians DO is the evidence that they do NOT keep the Torah, which means they do NOT keep the Commandments (instructions of YHWH) that means they are in direct opposition to the way the Bible defines "love", which means they "hate" or have "enmity" towards YHWH. Again, prove me wrong with citations from the Scripture and I will listen. Otherwise, I don't care about your opinions. They are irrelevant, just as mine are. But IF we were to put Christianity on trial for what its believers DO and reconcile that with the WHOLE WORD and LAW of YHWH, the King of the Universe, how do you truly think pagan apostate Christianity is going to fare with the judge of that trial?

[@libertyfarmsiowa]

@Traveling to a distant land I'm not judging anyone. I'm making observations based on the "fruit" of people who call themselves "Christians". Loving our neighbors, and our enemies, is expressed by KEEPING THE TORAH. IF we keep the Law of God, then we are showing LOVE for our neighbors and our enemies, for everyone. Its that simple. Christians do NOT keep the Torah, so who is NOT loving their neighbors, or their enemies? I strive to keep the Torah and I do NOT contract with the civil government for various benefits, entitlements, privileges, franchises, pensions, etc. that would cause me to violate the Torah (separation of church and state). So far you and the other individual who have replied to my comment have done so without citing any supporting evidence to rebut my claims, even though I have asked for it, and openly invite it, and am willing to hear and listen and read whatever supporting evidence submitted for consideration. But so far, NADA, just more drivel that doesn't logically and reasonable refute the claim that Christians are Torahlessness (lawlessness) from the Scripture, which means they hate YHWH's Law, which is His Word. If they truly loved YHWH they'd keep His Torah. If Christians are keeping the Law of God as a "body" of people sharing the same ideology then please, I am more than happy to receive the evidence that proves my observable claim incorrect. But from what I have observed by the actually actions of Christians, they keep all sorts of laws made by men, but don't keep any of the laws of YHWH, which means they do not do anything the Yahshua DID, because HE walked out the Torah perfectly as our example, we were told to follow. And in keeping many of the civil laws of men, which are only made mandatory by contract and consent, they consent and contract in so doing they violate many of the laws of YHWH, and they don't even know it. Or maybe they do but because of their animosity and hatred for the Law/Torah of YHWH, they don't care. Again, you're free to submit whatever scriptural evidence you'd like to refute my claims and I will gladly listen becuase I do NOT want any one to hear the rebuke of Yahshua in Matthew 7:13-28; Luke 6:46 for those that work "iniquity" (lawlessness/Torahlessness). In my opinion, Jews need to repent of the Talmud just keep the Torah, and accept Yahshua as the Messiah. While Christians, need to repent of their "religious rules" (man-made instructions), just keep the Torah, which will fill up their faith in Yahshua with real meaning as being truly faithful, obedient and grateful doers and hearers of the whole Word.

[@movingon.............6850]

So how about those people/groups who are claiming to call the proper/proposed pronunciation of the name Tetragrammaton either YAHUAH YAHAWAH YAHUWAH. YA’OH YAUH YAHWEH. YEHOVAH YAHOVAH YIHYEH etc because it is the name that can only hear your prayers and save you as in each respective claims of their own pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. In contrast, some members if not a lot debunk the Exodus 3:14 which is the I AM THAT I AM, when Abba introduced himself to Moises. Why would mankind limits The Creator?

[@119Ministries]

Shalom Moving On, You may be interested in our series about the Name titled "Hashem". You can find part 1 here: www.119ministries.com/teachings/video-teachings/detail/hashem-part-1-whats-in-a-name/ Blessings and Shalom

[@brandonvonbo9708]

In the video you state that the circumcision party and the believing Pharisees came from different places. It seems they both come from Jerusalem from the texts in acts 15.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

I believe that both groups may be promoting the same doctrine! But, even if they're not, I would (respectfully) contend that 119 Ministries creates a false dichotomy (an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available) - in respect to the circumcision of Gentile converts - via these two groups.

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@sourmilkministries9445 I believe this to be the same group in verse 1 and 5. Thus teaching that they need to become Jews via circumcision and keep the whole law in order to be saved.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@brandonvonbo9708 I agree. Just so you know, my (current) position on circumcision is that infants are to be circumcised on the eight day. But, circumcision is NOT NOT NOT for gentile coverts, even as a supposed "act of obedience".

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@sourmilkministries9445 why do you reckon Paul was ok with Timothy getting circumcised?

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@brandonvonbo9708 We're actually told why. Paul wanted Timothy to become a full member of the team (in GENERAL)- this was NOT the scenario presented by 119 Ministries, who would have you believe that they were headed out on their "maiden voyage" to announce the decision of the Jerusalem Council, which is simply not so. Nonetheless, Paul knew full well that any Jews they encountered would refuse to have any contact with Timothy , because he was uncircumcised. Thus, Paul convinced Timothy to take one for the team. Acts 16:3 NKJV Paul wanted to have him go on with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was Greek.

[@bestbest91]

Wow…

[@built4speed101]

Question: How does 119 Ministries view the Apostle Peter going into uncircumcised men homes and eating with them in Acts 10-11?

[@louyah777]

If you read it in context, you will see his vision isn't about the animals at all, it's about gentiles now being clean because of Yeshua. Without Yeshua the lost sheep would have no hope for eternal life. Gentiles are the "divorced" 10 lost tribes of Israel. Check out their teaching "The lost sheep"

[@sourmilkministries9445]

The significant part of that was that he went with them, and not so much that he ate with them. Nonetheless, you can bet that Peter didn't have pork chops. And, the chances are that these God fearing Gentiles didn't either. And, for what it's worth, I have a video on Acts 10. It's called: *_Video 8: "Peter's Vision - What Torah Keepers get WRONG!"_*

[@louyah777]

@Soul by hell, you mean the grave right? Also what do you call a divorced (from God) tribe then if not also a gentile? And furthermore a tribe isn't specific to Hebrew people, afterall even the native American Indians, and aboriginal Australian's dwell in tribes so being a gentile is also still a tribe of sorts anyway.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@Soul Indeed, the mainstream church is corrupt. They literally teach that what the Scriptures call EVIL (profaning the Sabbath) and an ABOMINATION (eating unclean meats) is now acceptable. They have also corrupted the fate of the wicked - which is DEATH - and not burning forever in some monstrous "Hell".

[@princeneo777]

@Soul Your judging the physical appearnce not the righteous judgement of God. There are only two tribes that enter the land of bread and honey it was the tribe of Caleb an Joshua. But in God's anger,Moses ask God not to vanish the remaining tribe for lack of faith. They become the lost tribe that are cursed that filled the earth and become Gentiles. This is also the reason why there were ritual of circumcision for Jew because the 10 tribes are separated from the 2 tribes in favor with God.It is applicable to give chances to the lost tribe to be united with the 2 tribes in line with the their commandments and rituals. You need to know where the Gentiles came from and you will know why Christ must come and fulfill the covenant.It is to find and give chance to the lost tribe of Israel who does not enter into Canaan as a promise land. God's plan for salvation is not only for the Jew or for the lost tribe but for all those who believe in His Son even to the pure Gentiles who are not part of the lost tribe.

[@papamordechai]

Observe and do the commandments applicable to a person’s individual role: priest, Levite, Israelite, sojourner, male, female, etc. and, the letter sent said nothing about doing more over time when hearing the Scripture. Be very care when drawing conclusions from an English translation. You need to consider the historical linguistic context overall. Just saying...

[@vicbade9702]

Dear Sir, salvation is by faith through grace, or can you tell me which law of moses did the Criminal on the righthand of Jesus on the cross kept before he made it to paradise with Jesus? Even if Paul had not circumcise Timothy, that does not take the fact that Timothy was already Born Again and sealed for eternal life. Paul did what he did because of Timothy's Jewish root and because of the Jews with him only because he was. Also you must know that Jesus said love the Lord your God with all your hearts and all your soul and mind is the greatest commandment and Love your neighbor as yourself this is the fulfilment of the whole law and the prophets from Moses, Samuel, Joel, Amos, Ezekiel, Jaremiah, Hosea, Zachariah, Habakuk, to Malachi. Obidience to Mt22:36-40 completes the entire Torah. End of story sir. God bless for your understanding

[@codyalexander3290]

It does not complete the Torah as in ends it is magnified the Torah as the prophet said he will magnify the law. Sure you are saved by faith alone. Yet I don’t want to be called the least in heaven.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

Romans 6:15 NKJV What then? Shall we sin [transgress the Law] because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

[@justincase1919]

Dear Sir, Yahshua tells us to keep the commandments in order to obtain eternal life. He also asks " why do you call me ' Lord ' and not do what I say ? " and said that those who call Him Lord, but are workers of lawlessness will be told " I never knew you, depart from me ". He also said not to think He had come to destroy the law or the prophets and that neither one jot nor one tittle shall pass from the law til all is fulfilled and until heaven and earth pass away. If you have faith in Him, then you will listen to Him. The new covenant is that God would give us His spirit and write the law into our hearts and cause us to walk in it, not do away with it. All of the Apostles, including Paul, repeatedly tell us to keep the commandments and not to sin and define sin as transgression of the law. They also said that loving God means keeping His commandments and that whoever says " i know Him", and does not keep the commandments, is a liar , and the truth is not in him. Peter said people were misunderstanding Paul's writings and twisting his words to their own destruction. Stop twisting Paul's words. It's common sense, keep God's commandments. Yahshua didnt do away with the law by fulfilling it, He magnified it. He preached it in it's fullness and taught that it's a matter of the heart as well as what we do in our actions. He didn't do away with it and said not to even think He had come to do that. He saved us from sin, He didn't save us to sin. Keep God's commandments, as Yahshua and all the Apostles, and all the prophets said throughout the entire Bible. The commands to love God and our neighbor were not new commandments, they were already part of God's law, and they did not replace the law, they explain it. If we aren't keeping the commandments, then we aren't loving God or our neighbor. You simply can't do the one without doing the other. " Let us hear the conclusion of the matter, fear God, and keep His commandments, for that is the whole duty of man. " "Blessed are they who keep the commandments, that they may have the right to enter in through the gates into the city, and may eat from the tree of life." Faith leads to obedience and obedience leads to grace. They go hand in hand. Without one, you don't have the others. End of story.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@justincase1919 Shalom, brother. I'm wondering if you could elaborate on your statement: _"Faith leads to obedience and obedience leads to grace."_ Are you saying that it's our obedience (to the Law) that leads us to salvation? I would put what you said this way: Faith leads to Grace, and Grace leads to obedience.

[@justincase1919]

@@sourmilkministries9445 Grace is not " undeserved favor ", as people say it is, it is favor, period. People misunderstand Paul's statements in regard to the law and grace. The jews had the law, and thought that meant God favored them because He gave the law to them. Paul said that it was great to have the law, but not if you didn't keep it and that gentiles, who were not given the law, but kept it, were a law unto themselves. Yahshua came and taught us how to keep it properly, He didn't come to do away with it. Sin is transgression of the law. We were not saved from the law, we were saved from the curse of transgressing the law, we were saved from sin and death. Yahshuah died for our sins and without that, we could not be saved because we were already under the curse. He gives us the Spirit and without that we could not be saved because we cannot understand or keep God's law without it. We must believe in Yashua ,repent, get baptised, receive the Spirit, keep the commandments, and produce fruit ( which includes doing good works ) in order to be saved. All of those things are plainly stated. Faith leads to obedience, obedience leads to grace. I don't care how you want to say it, as long as you understand that commandment keeping is necessary. Yes, we need to keep the law to be saved. Anything else is a lie straight from Satan. Too many people think they don't have to keep the commandments because of " grace " or " faith ", and that's a lie and they will not be saved because of this deceptive teaching. Blessed are those who keep the commandments...

[@babsmalone5486]

So, an uncircumcised man still needs to be circumcised to keep the requirements to please Yahweh? That seems drastic, especially for an older man, in his 70s.

[@worshippers3590]

Not so. I just did this bible study with my wife. Acts 15 is premised on verse 1 & 5 Acts 15:1 "And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, *you cannot be saved.”* Acts 15:5 "But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.” Paul and Barnabas with the rest of the apostles disagreed (verse 2, 7-11) . What the gentiles were required to abstain from (verse 20) were: 1. Sexual immorality (sins against one's own body) 2. Idolatry (sin against God) 3. Strangled animals (still had blood or life in it) 4. Blood (including bloodshed, eating blood)

[@codyalexander3290]

@@worshippers3590 yes. Obedience to the law is only a product of faith. Abraham was counted righteous before his circumcision.

[@worshippers3590]

@@codyalexander3290 certainly! (Genesis 15:6, Romans 4:1-4). May Christ's grace continue with us

[@sourmilkministries9445]

Unfortunately, Babs, that's what many ministries teach, including 119 Ministries. Mind you, [circumcision] not for salvation, but as a supposed "act of obedience". However, I would contend that they are in error, as circumcision was never commanded for post Messiah Gentile converts. However, it is required for any subsequent male infants.

[@nvdxn]

Was it too drastic when God required Abraham to circumcise himself and his whole household? Abraham was a Gentile who was justified by faith in Gen 15. In Gal 3:6-9 and Rom 4:1-12 Paul uses the example of Abraham to teach us how we are justified. Abraham was justified by faith in Gen 15, not by being circumcised in the flesh. Abraham walked in faith for over 20 years demonstrating he had a circumcised heart BEFORE God required him to circumcise himself (as an old man), and all the males in his household in Gen 17 Please note: they were all justified Gentiles In Rom 2 Paul says a Jew (circumcised in the flesh) who is breaking Gods Law has uncircumcised themself, i.e. they have uncircumcised their heart. Paul then wrote that a Gentile who fulfills (does) the Law has a circumcised heart. So would a justified Gentile who is walking in the same steps of the faith as Abraham, a Gentile who is demonstrating they have a circumcised heart by obeying the Law, not get circumcised? Is it really logical to believe that Jews who break the Law have uncircumcised their hearts, and also believe that Gentiles who break the Law have circumcised hearts? Is it really logical that Paul would berate circumcised Jews for breaking Gods Law and praise Gentiles for breaking Gods Law? In Rom 4 Paul writes that justification does not come through circumcision, justification is by faith. He also tells us the purpose God requires circumcision, it is a SIGN of the faith you had while uncircumcised. Rom 4:12 concludes this passage with Paul instructing Gentiles to follow in the same steps of faith as Abraham. Considering Paul has just explained to his readers why Abraham was circumcised, which was not for justification, but as a step of his faith, it seems illogical to believe Paul would teach mature believers who were uncircumcised Gentiles to not get circumcised in his other letters. Paul consistently taught against the false gospel that Gentiles need to get circumcised or obey the Law to earn their justification (Rom4:1-12, Act 15:1&1Cor7:18-20, Gal 5:1-4&6:12-13) because we have all already failed, we all need faith in Messiah, even Jews who were circumcised on the 8th day. This is the Gospel Paul taught. So if it wasn’t too drastic for the uncircumcised Gentile Abraham to circumcise his flesh as a SIGN of his faith why is it too drastic for uncircumcised Gentiles today?

[@doodle1726]

I have a very big problem about this teaching in Acts chapter 21 verse 25 in the King James Version it says the following: "As touching the gentiles which believe we have written and concluded THAT THEY OBSERVE NO SUCH THING, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols and from blood, and from strangled,and from fornication". It seems to me that 119 ministries have not included the sentence which is written in capital letters to their presentation and this sentence is against your whole teaching.This thing must be addressed by your teaching. 119 ministries I know you might be trying to preach the truth you could be wrong if you don't have any good answer.May the Lord God give us the understanding to know his truth Godbless.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

The text you're referring to appears to be extra-biblical. Hence, the reason it does not appear in most translations. It also does not appear in the Codex Sinaiticus. Acts 21:25 (Codex Sinaiticus): But with regard to the Gentiles that have believed, we have written, after deciding that they keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and what is strangled, and from lewdness. The following information is from the Codex Sinaiticus website: What is Codex Sinaiticus? Codex Sinaiticus, a manuscript of the Christian Bible written in the middle of the fourth century, contains the earliest complete copy of the Christian New Testament. The hand-written text is in Greek. The New Testament appears in the original vernacular language (koine) and the Old Testament in the version, known as the Septuagint, that was adopted by early Greek-speaking Christians. In the Codex, the text of both the Septuagint and the New Testament has been heavily annotated by a series of early correctors. The significance of Codex Sinaiticus for the reconstruction of the Christian Bible's original text, the history of the Bible and the history of Western book-making is immense.

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@sourmilkministries9445 textus receptus is better IMO. Constantin von Tischendorf was in cahoots with Rome, while he conveniently found the codex sinnaticus manuscripts in a waste paper basket in St Catherine’s monastery. There was a lot of shady stuff going on there.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@brandonvonbo9708 It seems to me that most of the objections to the Codex Sinaiticus come from those promoting King James onlyism, which is something that I wholeheartedly reject. Regardless, I don't see what the fuss is all about. I don't believe that the Codex Sinaiticus (or any translations derived from it) challenges any core beliefs. And, as for the passage in question? If Acts 21:25 is written correctly in the KJV, I can still deal with it, without changing my current (pro-Torah) position, simply by keeping what it says in context. Acts 21:25 KJV As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing (that they do not need to get circumcised and keep the Law of Moses to be saved), save only that (we have written to them that) they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. Nonetheless, thank you for expressing your concerns about the Sinaiticus.

[@brandonvonbo9708]

@@sourmilkministries9445 I’m not a KJV only guy, I just think it is one of the better translations and I am weary of any translations that go purely off the sinnaticus and vaticanus.

[@sourmilkministries9445]

@@brandonvonbo9708 I have no problem with anyone thinking that the KJV is the best translation. However, I do have a problem with the idea that it's infallible, as many believe.

[@zouksesanet]

What is referred to as "the custom of Moses"? It's not the Law of Moses. It's ritual CONVERSION to Judaism which included physical circumcision.

[@markpercival6068]

The "certain men which came down from Judaea" mentioned in Acts 15:1 were Judaisers, Pharisaic Jews that believed in Mashiach but wanted to keep their Jewish traditions. For a start, the command of circumcision was not given to Moses, it was given to Abraham!

[@gesi9781]

After the Acts 15 no record full blooded Gentiles were circumcised by the disciples of Christ.

[@gogriz3591]

Because the focus of this debate in Jerusalem was "Saved by Law" or "Saved by Obedience" They agreed to teach the Gentiles the Heart of the Law (No idols, No Sexual Immorality, No strangled food or drinking blood) 1st. and then because (V. 21) the Law of Moses was read in the synagogue each week, the newly converted would learn about being circumcised at a later time.

[@gesi9781]

@@gogriz3591 so you admit no record a full blooded Gentile being circumcised in the New Testament, a very vital Commandment in the Law of Moses.

[@gesi9781]

@@gogriz3591 second question. Where in the Law of Moses does it say a Gentile must only observe those 4 Commandments first before accepting the entire Commandments? Since you commented they will learn the Torah in synagogues every Sabbath.

[@gogriz3591]

@@gesi9781 It doesn't. They made these 4 a starting point, because they are the heart of the Torah. The others would be learned in the normal studies at Shabbat. IE a group of people that have zero knowledge of the Torah cannot be expected to know immediately what life long Hebrews/ Jews would know.

[@gesi9781]

@@gogriz3591 Jesus warned Believers they will be thrown out of synagogues and be persecuted and beaten. Your interpretation of Acts 15 is very erroneous. You can't even explain why there is no record of full blooded Gentiles being circumcised in the New Testament, a very vital Commandment in the Torah. Furthermore, Gentiles learning the Torah was not even mentioned in the letter, here let me help you and read on: Acts 15:23-24 "And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:"

[@messengerisrael3817]

ACTS 15:1-41 , " 1.And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. ( Circumcision means to remove something . In the covenant with Abraham , it is the removing of the flesh of foreskin ; which is the completion of the creation started by God , on the first day that man was formed . Man was created in the image and likeness of God , but every other creature was made in their kind . Man was made from the dust of the ground , GOD IS NOT . God is teaching man how to become the kind . On the eighth day of man's creation , the flesh and blood of the earth will be removed , and man will become the kind . 1 Corinthians 15:49-53 , " 49.And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality ". This covenant was not with Abraham and his seed only , but the stranger bought with his money , not of his seed . GENESIS 17:9-14 , " 9.And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. IN GENESIS 17:13-14 , " 13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. THIS IS ALSO FOR THE STRANGER/GENTILES WHO HAST BECOME THE SEED OF ABRAHAM BY A PRICE . ACTS 20:28 , " 28.Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. GALATIANS 3:26-29 , " 26.For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. THE CIRCUMCISION OF FLESH OF FORESKIN IS AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ABRAHAM , HIS SEED AND THE STRANGER PURCHASED WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS . Biblical circumcision means to make clean . The circumcisions for the cleaning of sin went through the two mediators of the covenant between the Father & the children of Israel . The circumcision of the heart/spirit is a sin sacrifice of atonement through faith , through the mediator Jesus Christ ; which is repenting of your sins , then believing by obedience ; which is keeping your mediator Jesus Christ commandments ; which he received from the Father . People forget that there was also a sin sacrifice of atonement through works , for the flesh/body ; which the God of Israel gave through the mediator Moses ; which was called the law of animal sacrifice and oblations , or circumcision of flesh/body for sin . Moses , like Jesus was the mediator/husband/protector/covering , for the one's under the covenant between the Father . The key word the brethren used is SAVED ! To be saved means to be redeemed , or forgiven or justified ( made clear ) of all your past sins ; which requires a sin sacrifice of atonement ; which comes under a priesthood . The sin sacrifice of atonement of works ( animal sacrifice & oblations ) came under the mediator Moses , through the priesthood of Leviticus ; which was not of faith ; which clean your flesh/body , not your heart/spirit . The Father requires a clean heart/spirit to be accept by him . Psalm 51:16-17 , " 16.For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.17.The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise " . The circumcision as of the manner of Moses is not the circumcision of flesh of foreskin , the everlasting covenant through Abraham ; because Moses did not circumcise his own child of foreskin ; also no males were circumcised of the foreskin after leaving Egypt , until the LORD told Joshua to have them circumcised of foreskin before they entered the land of Israel ( Joshua 5 ) . The circumcision as of the manner of Moses was the circumcision of flesh/body for sin ; to clean the flesh/body , not the heart/spirit . ) 2.When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. ( Paul and Barnabas did not agree with the men from Judaea . The mother church was located in Jerusalem . The church is the covenant between the Father and the children of Israel , or the Woman ; with believing Gentiles grafted into this covenant through faith . The seven Churches in Asia were the remnant of the woman Israel , or the church , before Judaea was destroyed in 70 A.D. . ) 3.And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. ( Romans 2:11-15 , " 11.For there is no respect of persons with God.12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;13(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.14For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another " .) 4.And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. ( Acts 14:25-28 , " 25.And when they had preached the word in Perga, they went down into Attalia:26And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.27And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.28And there they abode long time with the disciples " . ) 5.But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. ( The sect of the Pharisees which believed that the sin sacrifice of atonement of the heart/spirit through faith , goes through the mediator Jesus Christ ; not the blood of the animals & oblations ) ( The children of Israel continued in the sacrifices & oblations for the cleaning of the body ; when it becomes unclean due to touching a dead body , woman on her monthly , etc ... , but not for sin ; this came through the mediator Moses ; but the Gentiles were never under these sacrifices & oblations . ) 6.And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. ( There was much discussion pertaining to what was required of the Gentiles )

[@mypublic8507]

Moses law was only for Israel. No Mexican, American, Canadian, Babylonian, Assyrian was asked to keep the law

[@119Ministries]

Shalom, You may be interested in our teaching titled "Grafted In". You can find it here: www.119ministries.com/teachings/video-teachings/detail/grafted-in/ Blessings and Shalom

[@markpercival6068]

But I was under the impression that, once we become followers of Yeshua Ha'Mashiach and are "born again" we become Israelites. Is this not true?

[@mypublic8507]

@@markpercival6068 yes except that Christ died to the law and we also in him. We don't follow Moses law. We follow the law of Christ We are under the New Covenant. This was the entire point of the book of Hebrews. That old law and covenant was obsolete Hebrews 8:13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

[@markpercival6068]

@@mypublic8507 I thank you for your feedback concerning the issue of adherence to torah, I would like you to know that I fully understand your position as to whether the torah of Almighty God is still valid for “Christians” today. If you permit me I would be grateful if you would allow me to make a defence of my comment in respect of your reply and, in doing so I wish not to seem ungracious or argumentative, I offer this information out of love and kindness and to share what I, through many years of personal study has been revealed to me. I firmly believe that it is not up to me to convince or change anyone’s beliefs as this is a matter of the individuals rights of free will. With this in mind I fee compelled to point out information that may be errant so the individual may make an informed decision as to the way they should proceed. I have no denominational influence and I can assure you that, whatever I comment on I will always make quotes that are commensurate with Almighty God’s instructions as recorded in His infallible words and in doing so, I offer the following information with the deepest respect and humility. I am not the author of the commandments, I am just a sinful human with no superhuman powers, a simple messenger that has a small basket of seed, it is not to me to make that seed germinate and grow, I leave that to the Ruach Ha’kodesh so it is not my intention to enter into a heated debate on any Biblical topic as this would serve no purpose whatsoever, on the contrary, it would only serve to drive people further away from the truth of Almighty God’s purposes. I will attempt to keep this as short as I possibly can whilst covering the main points, it will then be up to you or any individual that reads this to make up their minds as to the direction you or they will choose. In reading your reply the very first thing that strikes me is a common misconception that most people make, you appear unclear as to the meaning of the term’s “covenant” and “law”. Whilst a “law” is a statute that outlines the principles of governance that applies to all those who are under the jurisdiction of the body that enacts it. All people must adhere to law irrespective of their social stature in society whether they like it or not. On the other hand, a “covenant” is a binding agreement that applies to all parties that sign up to it and is enforceable by the law. To put it bluntly, a covenant cannot and does not change the law, they are two entirely separate entities. I agree that Yeshua brought in the Brit Ha’dashah (new covenant) as the old covenant with Israel was broken even before the ink had dried, which was the whole reason why Yehovah gave the Israelites the torah in the first place. (after Moses had pleaded the case with Almighty God). Secondly, I would like to highlight the term “law” or “torah” as defined in terms of Biblical principles. Firstly, to understand the epistles of Paul (including Hebrews), we must first be aware of the religious environmental conditions that existed when they were written as failure to do so causes all sorts of confusion, which is so apparent today. When the book of Hebrews was written you may not be aware that there were two torahs in circulation, one was the torah that was given by Almighty God to the Israelite nation through Moses (it is not Moses law), and the other torah is the one used by the Pharisees and, although it shows some semblance to the torah of God, the rabbis and sages added to the law by their takkanot, commanding that people were to observe their extra laws, this was mostly based on the non-Biblical ‘Oral torah’ and writings of the “sages” expressed in the Talmud. (It is important to note that there were no “Jews” prior to the Babylonian captivity, the sect of the “Jews” did not emerge until the return to Jerusalem). Whilst on earth, Yeshua kept ALL the laws of his Father without exception, he remained perfect and sinless all his life. However, on many occasions we read that Yeshua broke the torah of the Pharisees as they were not doing what they were supposed to do and that was to teach the people the torah of God. It is the torah of the Pharisees that Yeshua Ha’Mashiach died too, he exposed the false torah of the Pharisees throughout his ministry. The scripture you cited in Hebrews 8:13 I have absolutely no problem with, Yeshua did indeed usher in the Brit Ha’dashah which does supersede the “old” covenant, but to gain the context of this verse (or any verses) we cannot just “cherry pick” verses that suit our particular doctrine, by using this “cherry picking” practice I am sure we could convince many people who do not understand scripture that the moon is made of cream cheese! To get the whole story we must READ THE BOOK first. Let us examine the context of the scripture that you cited in Hebrews, (Hebrews 8:10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (Hebrews 8:11) And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (Hebrews 8:12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (Hebrews 8:13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. The key to understanding the meaning of v8:13 can be found in v8:10 “… I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts…” which laws will He write into our hearts? I can assure you that there is no difference between any laws of Yeshua and his Father (John 12:49), if Yeshua had attempted to change or abolish any of his Fathers laws he would be committing a sinful act and thus he would be an unworthy sacrifice for our sins. (Deuteronomy 12:32; 1 John 3:4; 5:3). I could go on and on but I will conclude this reply with a caution. The “law of Christ” is exactly the same as the “law given to Moses”, there is absolutely no difference, the covenant may have changed but the law has stayed the same as a covenant cannot change the law. The doctrine of dispensationalism is extremely dangerous and does not originate with Almighty God, we must always ask ourselves, who wants us to ignore Almighty God’s laws and tell us that they no longer apply to anyone? Could it be the same person that told Eve that “…you surely will not die.”? (Genesis 3:4). I will let you answer that one for yourself. By careful and in-depth study of the Bible without the influence of denominational doctrine, we can be absolutely sure that we will find the truth, and the truth will set us free. (John 8:32). I pray that this explanation has been of benefit to you and will lead you to examine more closely the only true source of infallible truth, the inspired word of Almighty God (2 Timothy 3:16). Please take this in the spirit it was given for i am truly concerned about you. and all those that share this view. Whatever you choose to believe I also pray that the Ruach Ha’Kodesh (Holy Spirit) guides you in the right path. Amen. Glory be to Almighty God. Shalom aleichem.

[@vincebutdiff.472]

@@markpercival6068 hi Mark thank you for sharing this. Do you have any resources I could learn on the dangers of the doctrine of dispensationalism? I am extremely curious how you have said it is dangerous and doesn't originate from Yah.. I would appreciate your reply. Shalom!