PragerU and it's weird takes on Justice

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[@PaladinLostHour]

This woman saw Les Miserables and thought it was a drama about a noble cop chasing an evil convict.

[@ashuranero5721]

I don't know this movie. What is it about?

[@madelinemitchell104]

@@ashuranero5721 A drama about a noble convict being chased by an evil cop.

[@usamiio8323]

Yaaaa she seems like someone who’d been ok for someone serving 7 years of harsh labor for stealing a loaf of bread.

[@ashuranero5721]

@@usamiio8323 I heard in the US you get jailed for 15 years for stealing a tv

[@karlwilker579]

@@usamiio8323 I though it was 19 years? The whole "5 years for what you did, the rest because you tried to run." Is that just a change the musical did?

[@elfbreath]

You cannot have a just legal system without context though? Example: A man murders another man. Blind justice says he should go to prison. But the context is the murder was self defense. Therefore he's innocent. Or maybe a woman needs an abortion. Conservatives would shout 'no abortions no exceptions!'. But she needs it because she had a miscarriage, and to carry the dead fetus to full term may give her sepsis and kill her. Context. Is. Important.

[@bbqseitan7106]

Justice can’t be blind if the criminal justice system is in Technicolor

[@dancorwin9232]

"They're arguing against nobody" you just explained their entire platform Jake

[@SoSoMikaela]

Isn't there also some bit in the Bible about forgiveness and loving your neighbor? It's been a while since Sunday School but I swear that's in there somewhere.

[@noh-1386]

that's Hippie Jesus. PragerU worships Supply-Side Jesus.

[@Ephelle]

00:49 Yeah, there are some based churches. The denomination my family belongs to (United Church of Christ) is pretty progressive as far as churches go. Their big thing is, "God is still speaking," where they basically say that God created his rules to evolve with society or something like that. They've even advocated for abortion rights and have a national sex ed program. I personally turned away from religion a very long time ago, so I don't know if they're necessarily promoting social justice, but they allow and officiate same-sex marriages, and my entire extended family (who are pretty devout UCC followers) were all very supportive of me when I came out as trans.

[@Ephelle]

That same family is still pretty racist, still votes Republican, and absolutely hated Obama (which is funny because according to Wikipedia Obama is also a UCC member) so, you know, you can't win 'em all.

[@noh-1386]

@@Ephelle I'm happy to hear they accepted you. The fact that all those other unfortunate things are still true, along with the example of how some churches are changing, is at least proof that things are inching closer to progress. :( VOTE btw

[@Ephelle]

@@noh-1386 Yeah, my mom told me that when she told my grandma about me, my grandma went and talked to her pastor about it for advice, and she (yeah UCC even allows female pastors) apparently told my grandma how best to show her love and support for me which didn't at all involve preaching or scripture citing. Just actual, honest love and support. That story helps me remember that even if the religion itself is pretty awful, its followers don't have to be. And yeah, I'm absolutely voting. I live in Pennsylvania now so I know my vote is crucial. I'm pretty sure I've at least talked my mom out of voting for Trump, but she's still iffy on voting for Biden because she's afraid of socialism (and also she's had a lifetime of conditioning from her parents to always vote Republican), and I just haven't had enough time talking to her to unpack everything that's wrong with that. At least she lives in a super blue state so it won't make a huge difference either way.

[@mt-zf6xp]

I feel like the "just ice" edit was subliminal messaging or something. "Just ICE."

[@VoltieBird]

The main street by my house has a whole row of based churches, mosques, and synagogues. There's even an interfaith temple they all pitched in to build to hold interfaith events in.

[@quorryraphael9980]

Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth etc etc

[@eriknelson9490]

""Arm yourselves and fear the other always. Remind the poor that it's their fault they're poor in ernest." -Jesus 10:10-11

[@liamstamand1599]

This quote from something?

[@yilesse]

No, it's impossible and I'm answering this question in a very sarcastic way because it should be fucking obvious if you've listened to the things I've been saying about love of material wealth being a bad thing and how people should be looking after each other, providing for the needs of the vulnerable and giving away what they don't need to other people who do need it etc etc etc -Jesus, after being asked if it's ok to be rich and if rich people will be allowed into heaven.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

Without violence? Good fuckin luck :c

[@lum26akua28]

@@yilesse I don't know about that...

[@SLYKM]

The part about the families, one getting beat as a kid and one being in a living home. People are more likely to say a rapist is innocent if he was a positive part of the community or otherwise people cant believe he did it. And the right is more likely to say a criminal history means they are guilty of current crime without trial and its okay to kill them.

[@insulinshocker487]

Can she also read the rules for owning slaves that are in exodus? LMAO

[@__Andrew]

lol, Cherry picking Leviticus. Its probably the oldest of all the Judeo-Christian traditions.

[@derrickbelanger]

Flexing my English degree: Adjectives do not negate the word they’re attached to, typically. They specify the noun that follows it. “Justice” retains its original definition, and “social” specifies the type of justice.

[@cronical246]

In this country "justice" clearly sees race and class and discriminates accordingly.

[@rjserrano2]

PragerU strawmans Social Justice. That's a shock. They're usually such an honest organization.

[@grieverdreed9124]

Personally I can't believe they would go this route. Up until now they have been a bastion of rationality and unbiased opinion.

[@semirrahge]

Jake, I'm with you... When did religious groups become so widely liberal? Weird. I mean she's not _wrong_, God's totally not for social justice!

[@someonerandom8552]

I mean there’s a group near me who call themselves “Church of God” and they frequently espouse that the true meaning of Jesus’ teachings is to better one’s community by helping to pull people out of poverty, to treat everyone equally and to end classism. They’re pretty based, barring a “hiccup” here and there. But I don’t live in America so maybe that’s a bad example?

[@naturalistmind]

im not religious but i have seen churches with signs akin to "we worship a person of color who was killed by law enforcement" and i support that signage

[@Ireallywouldrathernot]

I've heard that bible story before but I think this is the first time I've heard it retold with actual emotion.

[@slyrax4154]

Many Conservative Christians see the crime in the world as an aggregation of all of the unsuccessful individual battles with sin. The solution is to give everybody the proper spiritual defenses against sin so that more of the battles are won. I believe in the purest of Christian worldviews that a world where everybody was poofed out of poverty but church attendance was equal would have an equal amount of crime (or at least sin, since maybe they would sin in a way that was not currently criminal) due to the issues with sin not being addressed. The idea of systemic causes of crime are problematic to this view, because that suggests that secular steps could be taken to reduce the amount of sin that is in the world. This is a large reason why they are closed to even entertaining this possibility. I feel like Innuendo Studios' video "I Hate Mondays" lays out this idea and how it applies to other Conservative beliefs as well.

[@__-bk6mm]

That ending point sums up the quality of the entirety of the argument being made in the PragerU video.

[@theunholinesswithin70]

So, interest in criminal psychology=nerdy? Ok, I guess I'm a nerd then.

[@MM-rz8hr]

28:55 “Biblical Justice” destroyed, Atheist super state achieved

[@unchainedmel1475]

The first catholic church I was a part of over in the UK, was all about social justice and living to the standard of the golden rule, love thy neighbour as thy self. That parish was intolerant of the beliefs often associated with Catholicism and was very active in the surrounding community. It's the reason I have a basis now, as an atheist, in protecting the rights and dignity of others and speaking out against bigotry when I see it. I know that this isn't necessarily the standard for catholic communities, and being apart of other parishes over the years has demonstrated to me how luck y I was that my starting point was so good. They do exist, but aren't the standard.

[@dakotastevens8]

I mean it's not like there is an entire scientific field with a robust body of research specifically about human behavior or anything. Behavior Analysis, Psha

[@FatJesus63]

This literally is just the cops from the first season of mindhunt who get butthurt because they want to study charles manson

[@EnterSailor]

I mean I'm kind of obligated to right? First.

[@Nerobyrne]

in the USA you don't get justice in a court of law. You get what you paid for. If they actually believed in justice, then for one they wouldn't allow settling major crimes outside of court, because that just means rich people can do whatever they want.

[@ryanboarman5910]

Corn is in fact, a grass

[@autobotstarscream765]

>"The Bible is mostly might makes right" Are you referring to the hypothesis that the OT is Mesopotamian propaganda concocted to justify their imperialist conquest and subjugation of the 'evil' and 'inferior' Canaanite and Phoenician 'savages', and the NT is submissive to the Roman Empire and ultimately served its imperial interests?

[@foramoreperfectamerica8490]

Jake, this Prager U Vid is every fight between Psychologists and Sociologists everywhere lol

[@ididthisonpulpous6526]

I love how their own logic ignores the fundamentals of actual criminal investigation. Motive, Motive, and Motive are keys to investigating and eventually convicting criminals. I mean we seldom use context to discern degree of culpability on the individual, but the idea that motivation is not a part of justice is patently absurd.

[@hewhoadds]

5:00 but context makes my brain hurty

[@JoelRiter]

Chris Hedges dad ran a social justice church and so did MLK and Mr. Rogers.

[@__Andrew]

Social justice is also about making sure our justice system reflects society and betters everyone as a whole, not just certain segments of it. Not hard to get Prager....

[@cielrobinson]

if justice=everyone equal *under the law*, and social justice=everybody is equal, theyre pretty much admitting not everybody IS treated equally under the law 😒

[@lallig8860]

nah Ezekiel 23:19-21 is the best verse. tried to get my christian school to read that at my graduation & they outright refused

[@SplotPublishing]

Judge your neighbor justly does not mean judge all people as if their circumstances were the same. It means JUST, as in FAIR. This lady doesn't know what words mean.

[@chrispeterson4463]

Gotta love when people who oppose an issue are the ones who explain it. 🙄

[@deathfiresword]

All justice is Social Justice because justice is an expression of society.

[@slenders1ckn3ss]

*is corn grass* nice rifftrax reference ✌

[@deadpoolpanda4513]

PragerU must hate detectives so just throw names on a dart board we don't need context for why the man killed his child, even TV shows have a why and context

[@gterschluse]

I'm not a big fan of the American Jesus

[@avenger1340]

I had (PAST tense) a friend who would pass Prager Poo vids like this to me or to African Americans. He especially liked passing ones about how racism isn't real to people we graduated high school with that happen to be black. YIKES. These videos are poisoning the well so bad. Words zooming onto screen like a powerpoint animation and cartoon people are more palatable to people I guess.

[@thelegendaryblacksamurai6652]

My questions are why does god need them to speak for him why not show himself he is all knowing and everywhere .

[@obiakabane1576]

I put my name as cornman in among us for you

[@MrPiotrV]

Jake, please fix the title. "it's" -> "its"

[@johnbewley3119]

I'd say the right is far too harsh on nonviolent crimes. Theft of food b oh yeah, that guy clearly has $1200 to pay up, and so has no food.

[@rorylunafreya6661]

Currently a part of an international Christian ministry that advocates a ton for social justice. So ofc, people on PragerU can't see religion advocate for anything worthwhile

[@noh-1386]

I'm an agnostic but my favorite thing about PragerU is that they never once have spoken of Herbert J. Taylor--a devout Christian who was so good at his job he was hired to revive an aluminum kitchenware company and took them from bankruptcy to a profit of over 20 million dollars... in the middle of the Great Depression. that's 20 million in THEN money, too. All because he went in and applied his Four-Way Test of the Things We Say and Do, a secular values rating system that actually saved the United States in negotiations with Japan after WW2. The test was secular, but it allowed him to continue to free up time for him to spend more of his life doing service in the name of Christianity. He was able to understand that he would never be able to bring people together if he had to force his beliefs on them in order to do so. It just doesn't make good business sense. The Four-Way Test concerns itself with asking these questions when a decision needs to be made: Is it the truth? Is it fair to all concerned? Will it build goodwill and better friendships? Will it be beneficial to all concerned? Funny how they never mention him. It's almost like it's not about being a good Christian at all.

[@richardlambert256]

Not that your point was invalid or anything, but Im pretty sure that was Jacob/Isreal that made up that sticks/goat thing.... ;*

[@demonprinceofirony931]

You see god cares about justice just not when it relates to societies or social systems. I think it clear that the sentiment Isiah was going for was that god cares about justice he just doesn't like to rock the boat too much. You know what I mean?

[@IMatchoNation]

its*

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

I think the problem here is that she's conflating blindness with ignorance. I mean, obviously the main problem is that she's a disingenuous right wing hack, but if she were actually genuine in her argument that would be the problem.

[@thomasjohn3835]

Yeah Jake....Sammy "the bull" Gravano grew up poor as fuck and had undiagnosed dyslexia, so the fact he grew up poor and with a learning difficulty in an ethnic Italian neighborhood his multiple murders extortion beatings loansharking should be excused? Because of systemic causes?.

[@YumLemmingKebabs]

It's not that abortion is ok. It's that anything is ok if it reinforces their ideology and norms. Conservatives already agree with that. It's just not a useful political platform.

[@cielrobinson]

i know its not the point but the term 'social justice' wasn't used til the 1800s. wonder why it never comes up in the bible 🤔

[@jacobjohnston3983]

All conservative punditry is arguing against imaginary enemies.

[@robertadsett5273]

Not for social justice? Has Dennis read the prophets??

[@noh-1386]

I mean, I'm sure that he hasn't but it's a question worth asking anyway

[@andrescrespo2514]

They keep talking about justice but they forget that crime is not crime

[@psyduck_theterrible6457]

Here is a fact: Dennis Prager should frighten you.

[@thelegendaryblacksamurai6652]

They do know the bible is a collection of different stories .

[@producerdane3134]

how are these people able to complete sentences?

[@noh-1386]

maintaining a conscience and empathy uses a lot of brainpower. they free that up for themselves.

[@TimeForDunston]

PragerU ads make me want to game end myself.

[@Melvinshermen]

Gattaca did nothing wrong and we should be live in there. Race is just skin colar

[@JohnThelin]

*its

[@Lustigerpete1]

Was this the first time Jake encountered a strawman argument?

[@ManticTRIGGER]

Have you seen any of his pervious videos

[@Lustigerpete1]

@@ManticTRIGGER Absolutely. He just seems so completely perplexed that they portray social justice as whatever they need it to be to make their vapid argument.

[@noh-1386]

@@Lustigerpete1 you gotta admit it gets a little bamboozling sometimes. you see something ridiculous constantly, your eyes occasionally go blurry.

[@Chibz]

listening to that lady talk made me feel gross inside

[@SawyBoy]

Short daddy 😂

[@MisterRorschach90]

If I were a right wing grifter making millions on KZbin you can bet your bottom dollar I would post a video of me strawmanning and attempting to debunk your takes while eating corn on the kob.