VOTING SCANDAL | Eurovision 1963

[@AdamMartyn]

Thanks for watching! This was a real labour of love and one of my favourite videos to work on this year, I'd hate for it to go unnoticed! If you could leave a like, and share the video everywhere you can, that'd be amazing! ✨️💙

[@ivaneurope]

You know, I'd love to see more videos covering Eurovision scandals and controversies - like, for example, Sandra Kim's win in 1986 when in the lyrics of the winning song claim she was 15, but was actually 13 (making her the youngest ever contestant to win).

[@MaramuresMapping]

This wad an incredible video,waiting for more like this

[@CarmelDeery-qc9lv]

Great video adam.really informative and very much appreciated 👍 👏🏿 😀 👌

[@szlanty]

you always hear about 1969, but oh ‘63 is rather juicy also.

[@barrysteven5964]

I am also outraged that the Norwegian reading out the votes referred to the United Kingdom as England. Shock, horror.

[@Matthew-bu7fg]

If the ESC had mandated votes from 10 jurors, down from 20 jurors, then there's every possibility that Norway may have tactically selected which 10 jurors' votes to take...

[@kariolm2579]

And this is why I always say that there should be always be a deadline, after which rule changes do not apply anymore for current season. Same as 1994 F1 season, where late rules change may just as well cost life of one of best drivers.

[@jejtherusheddoodle23]

Fun fact: the funny Monegasque juror who announced Monaco’s votes did it in 1961 and every year from 1963-1970 until Eurovision temporarily had no spokespeople. He announced them with mostly the same energy, however in 1964, he didn’t have the fun energy as he did in 1963. Unfortunately, we have no idea who he was, or what his name was.

[@ZuillianWillian]

"we have no idea who he was, or what his name was" There MUST be something about this legendary monegasque somewhere. I would easily watch a 30min documentary about him

[@whyayetv]

Excellent presentation, Adam. The 63 fiasco is one of the reasons why the EBU now gathers all the points, and a definitive result is known by Martin Osterdahl, before they are announced - hence his “You’re good to go” catchphrase. And with so many countries voting now - sometimes 40-plus - it’s why the interval is so tediously long.

[@cosmicsummers9978]

Not only eurovision 1963 had its controversy. It was definitely, at least in my opinion, the best year in Eurovisions Black and White Era.

[@euronny2555]

Eurovision 1963 is also unique for having the contest spread into 3 different tv studios. 1 for the audience and presenter, 1 for the orchestra and the performers. And the third one for the United Kingdom jury. And not to forget that there are seldom any visible microphones. (Edited because I wrote that the orchestra and singers were in two different studios).

[@jamesblair18]

They used boom mics. They wanted to increase the production values, intimacy with the artists and show off tv centre. There were two studios. One for the singers and orchestra and then the presenter and scoreboard. The staging was so far advanced for the time, dancers, props and moving around the stage.

[@euronny2555]

@@jamesblair18 You are right about the 2 studios, but there was a third studio being used. TC5 was used for the United Kingdom jury.

[@jamesblair18]

@@euronny2555 yeah not part of the main contest. I absolutely adore this contest. So much better than contests before and after

[@Domino10444]

This is amazing! I really hope you cover more old eurovision scandals like this

[@pointlessnostalgic78]

Such an excellent video to celebrate one of the greatest contests ever done. The idea of making the live performances look like video clips it was so ahead of its time, pure genius; the host had that unique mix of relaxed and professional attitude; the songs were absolutely amazing and Dansevise it's such a quality song that sounds extremely fresh and enjoyable nowadays. The ESC 1963 deserved an act of love like this, thank you.

[@williamdfr1715]

Some people have already mentionned the fact that this contest was unique; the only time the singers were in a completely different place to the audience. So the singers weren't singing on a stage at all, but in a closed studio. And it proved quite the opposite of what you say at the end. After previously being held in TV studios in 1957 and 58, though in concert hall type set ups, this was the one and only time that the studio set up for the singers was used, and it proved that the studio was not the best place at all. Forever after they sang in front of a live audience, firstly in theatres or concert halls, then in the 80s in conference centres, and of course more recently in massive sports arenas and exhibition centres, 1963 ESC actually had some major stars at the time, notably Françoise Hardy, who unfortunately has just died this week. She is the only Eurovision singer to have made the Rolling Stone list of 200 best singers ever. And Nana Mouskouri, the Greek singer with a huge international career, who said she did so poorly because she was unsettled by having to sing into a tv camera on her own in a studio, rather than singing to the public as she was used to doing.

[@j.t.5178]

Great video! Also note, this was the first year the voting order was the same as the running order instead of reverse running order.

[@cade32X]

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[@eurovisionpoland1114]

such an interesting and insightful video, great job👏

[@AdamMartyn]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it! ✨️

[@ESCHayden]

Turns out I did know about this scandal but you did provide some fresh details so it was still worth the watch! 😁

[@isaac_muscat]

great vid! a shame the older contests dont get talked about as much nowadays

[@EKsUrbanTracks]

The guy from Monaco has the typical French "post-war newscaster" voice, this kind of speech is as neutral and made for tv and radio, no real native from South East France or actual Monaco-born citizen would take offence at your joke because they sound nothing like that :D I suppose it's like BBC English, broadly standard. It would have been actually funny to have someone born and raised in this region giving out points.

[@hemven]

Amazing video! I love the documentary style video! Keep up the good work!

[@AdamMartyn]

Thank you very much!

[@jeppeaksrensen8316]

NGL i thought this vid was about the year where four people won when i clicked it, but given the fact that i am a proud dane and didn't know any of this about one of our most beloved Eurovision-songs, it was definetly an interesting watch! Great video!

[@AdamMartyn]

Thank you very much! I hope to cover the 4 way tie at some point in the future!

[@ianwilliams8100]

Great video Adam, really enjoyed it !! Noticed that the Norwegian spokesperson forgot that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were with England in the Eurovision, by calling the UK, England.

[@Redrally]

Easy translation mistake. In a lot of languages, they call Britain "England" and forget they need to use the proper name when speaking English.

[@Gert-c2b]

The next voting scandals to do: 1959, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1971 😅

[@georgehand]

The one thing I never understood was why did they leave Norway’s wrong set of votes on the scoreboard!!!!

[@CulturePhilter]

That was really interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever seen any footage from black and white Eurovisions before… or if I have not more than a few seconds.

[@Kavehhosseinpour]

Ugh even more eurovision drama this seas- oh wait 1963 what

[@ShizukuOsakaTV]

0:47, 1963 and we all remember the one building the BBC kept until 2013. Despite never hearing or watching Eurovision, this video is amazing! Keep making those Eurovision documentaries in the future Adam!

[@AdamMartyn]

Thank you very much!

[@owenmcgheeandbdawg]

This is a fascinating video, again.

[@kano2789]

13:26 That's it 🇲🇨 That guy perfect for future memes 😁

[@beauden8497]

Denmark didn't participate for a decade or so end 60´s to end 70´s (so we never know if they would have won more back then). This competition was a first for another thing as well: the Danish married couple kissed mouth on mouth LIVE ON STAGE.

[@DavidDamen-ve7br]

this contest looking back was funny

[@What_am_i-yn3ig]

So at the time Monaco had their spokesperson speaking French, but in French United Kingdom is Royome-uni and that’s what it the Monaco spokesperson was

[@famemosterrrrr]

I want you to talk about 1969 night, because it was messy as well

[@david_g_barron]

Absolutely fascinating and didn't know about any of this before, and showed that there is nothing new with voting issues. Looked up the date and broadcast on Saturday 23rd March 1963 and I wonder how many people watched it that night in the UK. It would have looked anachronistic even in 1963 for many music fans wanting something more exciting, and as you showed The Beatles. That night in the City Hall, Newcastle they played a six song set, performing songs that had been released the previously day, Friday 22nd March 1963 on Please Please Me, and showing the future for the rest of that decade and beyond.

[@escaslanofficial]

It was iconic 😭

[@staporinac]

Does anyone know what was the name of Monaco spokeperson, can't find that information anywhere.

[@goodiesguy]

I always thought it was just 1968 where Sir Cliff was cheated out of winning, but I had no idea that there was a scandal in 1963. I'm only familiar with two of the entries, Ronnie Carroll's and the late Francoise Hardy's.

[@richardgadberry8398]

Here's my vote: Adam Martyn, 5 votes.

[@AdamMartyn]

Why thank you!

[@arthurvasey]

13:00 Switzerland 14 votes? Didn’t go that high!

[@dafdriver9552]

Scandinavian Scandal 😱

[@DimiChris]

Well, and in 1964 Denmark awarded its highest points to Norway... As a "thank you" (?) just to add some more conspiratorial breeze to the contest...

[@voldeficient]

But then came .....1964 and we would never see this full ESC again, unless someone taped it back then !

[@Nostalgic80s-nd3qb]

For a massive song contest that has countries competing against each other, I didn’t think Eurovision could get into so much controversy over the years. Then again I do know of the infamous 4-way tie controversy so there’s that. Don’t worry, it won’t go unnoticed.👍👍

[@denelson83]

And of course, here in North America, all of this is unknown to us.

[@yvettakollega5791]

The erratic Norwegian points should have all been deleted before they called the next country. It wasn't clear what the Norwegians were voting for. It wasn't a case of needing a confirmation. They had to vote all over again from scratch.

[@aleksandarivosevic7057]

Amtv upload new video since you stop uploading uploading 😊

[@AdamMartyn]

It's only been a few days, keep calm friend 😂

[@balticthegrapher]

this video was fun to watch

[@AdamMartyn]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TapWater598]

Smh monaco was so epic

[@johnarnehansen9574]

Considering the fact thete isn't an "Intervision Song Contest"!...

[@Matthew-bu7fg]

also, controversial opinion, Only Teardrops is the most underrated winner of all time

[@saveukrainenow1451]

I want the old. Voting system back to Eurovision but no one cares the old format

[@fanyt1894]

Tv centre documentary in the works Adam ?👀😁

[@spursgog835]

They could t even give the United Kingdom its correct name.

[@sorenholmberg]

Anyone who know the relationship between Denmark and Norway, will know Norwegians would never apply points to Denmark to make them win.

[@Apanblod]

According to some statistics I found, after Sweden, Denmark is the country with the most amount of points awarded by Norway in ESC history. Now you could say people are just voting for the song they prefer, and people from similar backgrounds might to a larger extent prefer the songs from each other's countries, but I think it at least puts into question the suggestion that Norway wouldn't vote for Denmark out of loyalty.

[@harryelliott4310]

Tv 📺

[@AdriaanZwemer]

Did i hear it wrong or was the netherlands voting from brussles? why?

[@mrjdsworld80]

In the early days of the contest, the Dutch jury was located in the town of Bussum. It sounds like Katie said Brussels, but she said Bussum.

[@benjaminmarker]

Still my favorite Danish entry..

[@vwestlife]

She handled it a lot better than when Steve Harvey read the wrong name of the Miss Universe winner!

[@Satellite88]

Stop miss universe being mentioned 😭

[@kaitlinbilous4605]

And we lost the Monegasque representative as well today

[@in_wino_veritas]

Yes, and I thought that this might be about her, definitely a better song than the Swiss entry. How can anyone think they were robbed? But Denmark is a deserved winner nonetheless. It actually sounds accessible to modern ears. And had the Norwegian guy given the correct points from the start, then there wouldn't have been a controversy about the Danish victory anyway. Still, Monaco would have been a deserved winner as well, and Françoise Hardy is actually the only act in this edition that is still known today. RIP.

[@ExperimentIV]

@@in_wino_veritasnot true. monica zetterlund is still really well known as well, but she’s not alive.

[@in_wino_veritas]

@@ExperimentIV yes, unfortunately for scoring 0 points and for being featured in videos about songs that got 0 points. But yes, you're right, but if she counts, then the winners should count as well.

[@ExperimentIV]

@@in_wino_veritas i mean she’s well known to jazz listeners and she was very successful in sweden. in fact in her introduction in eurovision 1963 the bbc announcer mentions that she’s performed in the UK many times before!

[@in_wino_veritas]

@ExperimentIV oh, sorry, I didn't know that. Thanks for your information.

[@oiooi6460]

It was invesrigated by the EBU at the time and it was just a mix up on the part of the announcer. They verified that the votes reported the second time were the correct ones as validated by the jury members and their original score sheets

[@armenkarabetyan4129]

I believe it was correct the second time. But how can one mix that up.. Since this must be rehearsed or communicated how it worked

[@maximilianrobespierre8365]

Swiss mad

[@andreasfischer9158]

@armenkarabetyan4129 They simply hadn’t finished compiling the votes. One might think they should have said so.

[@oiooi6460]

@andreasfischer9158 indeed . But to be fair it was all rather new then

[@FernandsLiveShowShow]

A wonderfully well told story of such a controversial moment hushed away by the sands of time! Really brought the drama of the night to the present day, and very apt given the recent Swiss win and their face-offs with Denmark since 63. Definitely scope for similarly told tales of voting scandals of onward years: 1969's 4-way tie (Spain hasn't won since!); 1988 and Yugoslavia snatching that 1-point victory from the UK to Switzerland (starting the UK's chain of 4 second places in 5 years) - leading to - 1993's clincher especially with Malta's need to come back at the end, to provide one of the most thrilling moments in Eurovision... Great video!

[@AdamMartyn]

Thank you so much! I hope to tell more stories from Eurovision history soon!

[@BridgLondon]

I was lucky enough to meet Katie Boyle several times. She considered the 1963 contest to be a mess, particularly as half of the audience was in one studio with the orchestra and the other half was elsewhere with her and the scoreboard! There were also supposed to be small ‘postcards’ prior to each entry featuring BBC kids TV favourites, Pinky and Perky. No one has any recollection as to why the inserts were dropped.

[@bponterci]

Very interesting.

[@Texaslawhorn]

Katie is my favorite Eurovision presenter. That's great that you got to meet her. I'd love to have heard her take on various Eurovision contests.

[@chestnutbloke305]

The way they announced the results back then sounds a bit like how Radio 4 announcers read the Shipping Forecast.

[@GenialHarryGrout]

The first contest in 1956 held in Switzerland won by Switzerland and the voting was never published. Strange that. Then there was 1969

[@marcogeurts9881]

@Adam Martyn i find the current voting system much easier also for the jury and spokeperson instead of saying for example song number 20 Cyprus 5 points now just 12 points go to Cyprus and the votes from 1 to 10 are automaticly given and that everyone in the world can vote via the site or just by sms

[@kilowen_3297]

13:23 as a french person I laugh so hard 😂😂 (btw Royaume-uni is litteraly United Kingdom in french)

[@vapour_wav]

I kinda forgot the point where this this would likely be block voting (Norway for Denmark).

[@RebeccaPhythian]

Love this! It got so tense 🤩

[@IanGorton]

Let's not also forget 1968. Seems it only came out about 30 odd years later about what happened there.

[@hubertbreidenbach]

Douze points

[@AdamMartyn]

Thank you very much!

[@robmortimer4150]

Never knew this story!

[@MuchWhittering]

Isn't it "nul points", not "nil"? Nul is French for 0.

[@JeroenHuijsinga]

Thanks for such an elaborate explanation, but couldn't you have added a bit of the songs that were involved? Another fun fact is that the Swiss participant, Esther Ofarim, was actually from Israel, or - if taken officially - she was born in the British mandate of Palestine in 1941....

[@robertwilloughby8050]

How the Netherlands and Finland finished joint bottom in 1968 is beyond me. Another dirty year worthy of investigation. Edit: And 1974 was a bit weird, but as a hardcore "Si" loyalist, I would say that, wouldn't I?😂

[@TapWater598]

Whats the background song when monaco was saying the votes

[@WRCSeb]

To the guy in Oslo, WHY

[@petermeyer6873]

And what is to learn from this: The fact, that the EU will never be good for europeans, as it cant even be honest about something as mondaine and unimportant as songs.

[@NicolasPetrosLanning]

22:34 Canada’s one and only!

[@Ozma2]

I love videos like this! I know next to nothing about Eurovision but you presented it in a way that made it so fascinating and informative to someone as uninformed as me.

[@AdamMartyn]

So so glad you found it informative and entertaining!

[@Eurobouy]

Why did you show Bryan Johnson? He was UK 1960! You should have showed Ronnie Carroll

[@AdamMartyn]

It was more making a point about the early days of Eurovision! Mr. Johnson's little ditty is a guilty pleasure 😂

[@Eurobouy]

@@AdamMartyn ah fair. Thought you had used the wrong clip for a moment there!

[@ivaneurope]

Eurovision and scandals/controversies go together like peanut butter and jelly ever since...it started it all. Every year there's some caveat when it comes to the ESC now come to think about it

[@yui4779]

Adam did you know that Hololive Vtuber Takanashi Kiara was going to be part of Eurovision this year but because deadlines were steeper than mount Everest she wasn't selected

[@AdamMartyn]

Maybe they will be next year 👀

[@yui4779]

@@AdamMartyn To be fair if she were to be selected for Eurovision Song Contest 2025 I would watch the part before her's and watch her act as well and hoping she'd win considering she's one of my favourite Vtubers I have high hopes for her. Speaking of which she's currently live streaming Fallout las Vegas at the moment and there have been times when she's spoken about applying for Eurovision on stream. Let's hope for the best

[@NicolasPetrosLanning]

@@yui4779 she’s Japanese, not from any European country

[@yui4779]

@@NicolasPetrosLanning I know her she's Austrian she lives in Austria and she always has been she even mentioned her applying in few of her Streams there are clips of her mentioning that she did apply

[@Nadia1989]

Meanwhile, ESC Kat's fans are joking she'll represent Austria... Some day.