Adding C Channel to Slab Kitchen Island Top

[@ToolsToday]

Check out the full video for this project - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGTLnKd7o753pNk

[@coopersander7261]

First time in my life I have ever seen someone tap wood. I didn't even know you could do that

[@BSOE3058]

Well, it's softer than metal, so of course ya could tap it... but not always ya should do things purely because they are possible

[@matthewmatte9902]

You should not tap wood. It gives too much tolerance. He needs to let the top or the screw do the work itself.

[@M4v3rick28]

He was using machine screws in weed, threads are too close to have meaningful strength longterm

[@gonna_hurt_your_feelings]

I JUST SAID THIS!

[@Hi_C.4465]

Me either!

[@Biogasifier]

Machine screws taped into wood. Now thats a new one. You forgot the lock tight…..

[@Enkelados1]

You can do that in hardwood no problem. Ofc you need a little more material than with metal, but those screws are going nowhere.

[@MrMikeT89]

More like forgot the lock washer. Machine screws will work in good hardwood like this, the lack of contact area on the c-channel seems questionable

[@Dabrar]

@@MrMikeT89 I also thought it's too loose for it to help to add any structure at all. Also, the warping of the wood tends to happen in the direction of the grain... It fixed the C channel perpendicularly to it, which might not help much...

[@alex548554]

Thread lock only required in earthquake locales

[@Bigballs72]

Who uses a standard Allen key theses days. Plus tapping hard wood won’t last two minutes….

[@doublebungus]

This guy gonna go nuts when he finds out about screws

[@CT-qx8nl]

When you want to be a machinist but don't give a damn about tolerances.

[@notstewie-HelpMeGetTo50SubsPlz]

Machinist tolerances: +/- .003" Woodworking tolerance: +/- 1/8" 😂😂😂

[@connorlhamon]

@@notstewie-HelpMeGetTo50SubsPlz that’s a poor machinist .003 is the thickness of paper

[@notstewie-HelpMeGetTo50SubsPlz]

@@connorlhamon yeah CNC machines have gotten pretty crazy nowadays, I've seen some hold tolerances with a few thousandths of an inch ( .0003")! The advancements in the last 15 years are pretty remarkable. As a tool&die maker it has made my life soo much easier over the years 😂

[@connorlhamon]

@NotStewie yeah I get that my dad spent 30 years as a machinist, 5 years in the navy and 25 in power plants but all the machines he used were 1960’s or older his tolerance was .0001-.001 shits crazy nowadays with a program it can do it all for you

[@AndrewDeLong]

@@notstewie-HelpMeGetTo50SubsPlz As a woodworker myself, I tend to keep my tolerances to within 1/32 (0.0312") on the high end, and 0.001 on the low end. I don't know a woodworker worth their salt who thinks 1/8" is at all acceptable.

[@fellzer]

The best thing about river tables is that in 10~ish years the epoxy will inevitably separate from the substrate as it continuously cures over time. The end result is the customer coming back for a new table or repair work! Tools like this make it super easy.

[@tristanallen2448]

All that quality work, then you skimp on the thread inserts!? Crazy.

[@harrisonfoster1889]

he tried that rewatch the video 🤦 he said threaded inserts were breaking because it's hardwood

[@AndrewDeLong]

@@harrisonfoster1889 gotta be harder than oak then, because when I do threaded inserts, they almost never break. Unless I'm using ones made from substandard material or I've drilled the pilot hole too small.

[@gemnicherry2670]

I’ve cut down honey locust trees before and he’s definitely not lying about it’s hardness. Extremely heavy and thorny trees.

[@podsaveengland]

I much prefer the LX 421-7c than the 4606k, it tends to sit better on the rc712 bolt stand, as compared to using a stand alone 46125-js, but each to their own..

[@john050994]

Cool looking project. Hate to be the bearer of bad news. But you can't tap wood. Think of how the wood grain structure is. It's got a bunch of long fibers layered together. When you cut threads into them, you are cutting the fibers leaving only the bonds between them holding them together. Wood screws hold because they separate the fibers. It breaks some of them but it squeezes between the rest. Over time those threads will deteriorate. Granted, this isn't a high stress point so it should be fine for a decent amount of time. But over time as the wood expands and contracts the will strip in the future. Just a pointer for any future projects. I probably would have opted for tapered wood pegs and glue. In the same style that clock makers use to pin pieces of a clocks action together. The tapered peg would hold the bracket in and the glue is often stronger than the wood. Have a good one man.

[@ToolsToday]

always good to hear different techniques thank you

[@LapizLazu1i]

The instability of the threads also means that the C-channel thing is entirely useless, as the screws won't hold it for long, especially when humidity changes start affecting the wood. An alternative that I learned from other joinery journeymen and masters is to cut dovetail slots width-wise into the bottom of the tabletop and then glue a long dovetail shaped batten into it. English isn't the language I learned this with, sorry if my suggestion is hard to understand or doesn't really make that much sense.

[@john050994]

@@LapizLazu1i you were clearer than a lot of people who's native language is English.

[@witfon2108]

You can have a fancy tool and still have no clue what you are doing xD

[@bradster1200]

Lol, exactly. Not only tapping wood, but tapping it fucking sideways.

[@latenttweet]

Idk hardwoods are a lot different than what most people are used to. But yea they could have just used wood screws but more less showing the capability of the machine. I work with hickory and it never ceases to amaze me how hard that stuff is. It’ll mess up all your tools and blades it’s pretty incredible. I don’t see anything wrong with tapping the hardwoods

[@KiaranScath]

Machine screws in wood, crooked tap, no washers. Sad.

[@Pandemic_Panda]

@@latenttweet fully agree, but what's getting me is the way he tapped it. Tapping with a drill seems like playing with fire to me. Probably works fine, but it scares me.

[@pingusbingus3571]

Agreed

[@vladislavivanov2511]

You might want to put a big flat washer there

[@sean198722]

Agreed

[@singulant]

Just curious why not a washer before the screw goes in?

[@harrisp584]

My first thought at well. At the least it would look cleaner.

[@skurtov]

Yeah that head is way under sized. I know the application may not require it. But you can shear the head right off.

[@davidpalmer9780]

Not much 'meat' on the periphery of the screw heads. It's just holding on by a bees dick.

[@areoladan5580]

Lol those tiny baby threads are not going to hold when a slab that big & thick decides that it wants to warp. Wood screws my man.

[@chevler6761]

Endmill not bit. Why do woodworking guys call everything a bit?

[@colinstace1758]

I agree, it's a bit annoying 🤣👍

[@stevenr21]

Mind your own bitness!

[@matthewcantrell5289]

Cause we don’t normally have to differentiate much between what goes in the end of the drill lol. We’ve got twist, auger, spade, and forstener bits. “Mill” doesn’t really exist much for most of us. I learned my CNC stuff in a combo metal/wood shop in high school so I got the benefit of both.

[@Billybob-go8hn]

Well seeing most tools & accessories are known to different people by many different names, he can call it whatever the fuck he wants. It is a cutter bit after all 🤣

[@AndrewDeLong]

Because in woodworking, that's what they're called. Bits. Machinists have their terminology, and woodworkers have their own.

[@richardcagle5475]

Lul I was about to critique you're wood threading, but if that shits breaking inserts then I'd have to agree it's quite hard enough on its own. The fact it even created threads was interesting

[@Valkathon]

What he did is just stupid. This is almost useless. You can tap concert too but you don’t because it’s not as strong as compressed fittings which take less work. It would be stronger if he only glued it in

[@AndrewDeLong]

@@Valkathon Personally, if I was working with a hardwood that was breaking inserts, I would tap the wood too. Then I would lace the hole with a strong epoxy when I set the screw in.

[@QuadMochaMatti]

This character likes to spew out a lot of numbers in his word salad.

[@ToolsToday]

We try to make videos for all of our users. In all styles. hopefully you enjoyed it, if not that's OK too !

[@zakprice2128]

Word salad

[@isaiah9683]

How else are people going to know exactly what to buy if he doesn't give the whole model number for everything? Lol

[@randylang8363]

Being new to cnc recently. I'm blown from the automatic bit changer was crazy cool. Lol

[@domingez79]

I see the first time someone taping wood

[@Max-nt5zs]

You look like Daniel larson

[@Enkelados1]

In hardwood pretty common for certain applications. It's sometimes hard to get certain screws with wood thread. Of course you need a certain material strength.

[@Bliblablub1]

If the wood bends, this thin Metall will do a shit against it

[@RapTapTap69]

Nah c channels are extremely strong against warping while wood loves to settle and twist due to weather and humidity. Any craftsman worth their salt will put the c channels on a large table like this.

[@ok-hd4so]

@@RapTapTap69 bullshit that strip aint gonna help one bit.

[@RapTapTap69]

@@ok-hd4so how about instead of arguing, you look it up? It's not bullshit just cause you're underinformed

[@greavous93]

Ive found that if you tap threads into wood and skip the insert it works even better if you tap the hole and then wet the threads with thin CA glue, then chase the threads with the tap again and you have some hardened threads that will take some use and still hold up.

[@Drewdlemac]

Those threads appear very weak..?

[@Kwad92]

You didn’t tell us what allen key you were using.

[@SuzukiKid400]

Threaded inserts are typically used in aluminum or other soft metals. If you were “breaking them” in wood, you were doing something wrong. Having said that, you should have used lag bolts with a broad flighting on the thread.

[@tokidub5175]

Those colorful bits though 😍

[@toasttoriginal]

When you pretend to be machinist, but you don't care about right measurements and angles. That tapping sideways pissed me off.

[@HBlitzzz]

My mans plunged right into that and about gave me a Damn heart attack

[@tylerbell6796]

This guy loves part numbers

[@markseabrook5279]

Was that the 46/-2kposi2bit6pieceflapjack, or the 46-/8kposi4bit3piecesuiteflap?

[@joedaddy8044]

Good job !! My new favorite channel 👍🏼

[@ToolsToday]

Glad to hear it thank you,!

[@Cutlerylover4life1]

Yes, you can tap hardwood but not for anything important /structural . If this wood wants to warp, its gonna warp.

[@RavenRedwood]

Those are some beautiful drill bits.

[@jared9953]

Will the counter top supports be bearing directly on the c channels? Otherwise I don’t see their purpose. The channel is recessed so it wouldn’t be sharing the load with the rest of the bottom of the slab. And the slots in the channel are in the direction of the potencial deflection so if the material were to try and bow/stretch in that direction it wouldn’t be able to transfer the shear to the screw heads since the screw hole is elongated. I’m having a real hard time understanding what the benefit is here, unless like I mentioned the channels would be the main point of contact for the supports.

[@hussainali9999]

Agree

[@ToolsToday]

Yes, they're flush with the surface of the wood. They're designed to keep the slabs flat prevent cupping between the two slabs.

[@hlyhungrofhadar7862]

You seem to be confusing expansion with flexion/extension. The c channel is there to prevent the board from cupping/bowing. The screw slots allow the width to expand and contract without cracking (hopefully), and the c channel itself is prevents the edges of the slab from curving up or down. C channel doesn't need to be the point of contact for the supports or flush as it basically is just a cross brace.

[@jared9953]

I understand the intent, but my humble suggestion would be to get rid of the slotted holes. The material cupping means the surface is stretching/compressing. To make full use of the channel the wood stretch needs to be transferred to the steel via the screw shear. Theoretically your keeping the slabs flat to each other but the slotted holes could allow them to separate.

[@RapTapTap69]

@@jared9953 I'm not sure what you're trying to say but this is the proper installation of a c channel to prevent warping and cupping. C channels is used as it's extremely strong against warping and the channels routed into the wood allows the c channel to be used without being unsightly

[@Dabzi1982]

You my friend strike me as the kinda guy that would rotate the room before trying to twist the lightbulb Wtf even is that? Portable shower or a monkey cage………… fairwell and adieu to the fair Spanish maidens 😂😂👏

[@wtfbbqbye]

That's some serious tool corn right there

[@joshuabennett723]

Why not just use wood screws that are you know made for wood unlike the machine screws you used that are for metal

[@dylanschmidt4166]

Seeing a tool change on a wood cnc is hard to take seriously hahaha

[@EricB90]

When you call end mills bits I know what you aren't

[@thomasspool]

Doesn’t this take the working out of wood working?

[@marcmescher2335]

I’m really interested to know the cutter speeds and feed rates for wood. In my experience the speeds on CNC mills are to low to not splinter the wood.

[@AndrewDeLong]

Typical speeds for wood can be as low as 10,000 rpm, upwards of 25,000 rpm.

[@michaelmijatovich8983]

Put a bigger hole in there and there are ways to get threaded inserts in it

[@kengbrissy3074]

Making a less complicated job look complicated 😂

[@SouthPawEd]

Just pre-drill and use a wood screw. Never heard of tapping a piece of wood and using a machine screw.

[@eljefe1439]

I would think that thin metal would do little to prevent warping, but I don't know. What I do know is that you showed the c channel flush with the surface, but your machine screws protrude...perhaps it doesn't matter if you are floating this piece over some base cabinets or table legs. 🤷🏽

[@TheGoldenTNT]

The point of the c channel is that it is super difficult to bend in basically any direction, good enough to prevent a table from warping.

[@limysyenpai537]

Might as well put thread lock on it to make sure it also pulls the wood it's screwed in

[@sailbatten2056]

Tapping into wood is a mistake. It can't hold the tension for a long time without giving way down the road. It's not the same as a wood screw. Next time I'd just still the holes very slightly larger for the inserts.

[@sandy3629]

no washers on those? looks like they could benefit from some unless you didnt include them for a specific reason

[@pingusbingus3571]

Who taps a piece of wood, just use one of those hammer in nut inserts, threads in wood will never hold unless it's a lag or screw

[@davidwoodcock139]

I was a CNC programmer and operator but to people who don’t do this have no idea what your talking about 😮

[@artandcraftzone7901]

You are very creative personality ✨️

[@bend3rbot]

Kinda, but I see more perspiration than inspiration. This is more of a competent workshop joinery by doer type, than it is inspired woodworking. Tech and technique are two different styles.

[@ericrudgers6816]

@@bend3rbot shut up

[@nickgoodall578]

🚨🚔Whoop! whoop! 🚔🚨 Thread tapping police gonna getchu!

[@tylerakerfeldt7220]

Wish that tap was straight and you should always use a washer on a slotted hole

[@makeithappenc3]

I'll get right on it.

[@LifeontheBellCurve]

The warping issues are going to laugh at that setup. There is a reason why tables are either made so thick I to doesn't matter or have alternated grain patterns glued to together. It's more likely that the wood is going to split away from the epoxy before anything else. Craftsmen have been building tables just about the same way for centuries for a reason. Is your surf e going to be beautiful? Most certainly. Will it be a piece that will last for a hundred years? Most likely not.

[@ausieking]

I’m curious as to why you use a down cut vs up cut bit? What applications are each best suited to?

[@TheFinalIllusion]

All those machines and no washers

[@joewelch7367]

Why use a drill to tap in wood? Seems like it would mess up the wood

[@Enforcer_WJDE]

Which way were you supposed to place the channel again? With or against the grain?,

[@RandomsFandom]

Use epoxy in the holes to harden them.

[@_dnk]

my boy needs some washers

[@k7y]

Damn he naming the tools just like a dumb ass robot would.

[@КириллПантелеев-х8ы]

Нарезать резьбу м6 в дереве не используя футорку, это прорвал. На таких мелочах горят большие проекты.

[@Gregg0112]

Tapped the wood? I don't think you could put 5 in lbs of torque on those fasteners

[@marloncontreras2215]

No washers 🫠

[@marvinmycat5839]

Aren't you afraid of wood expansion, especially in a wet environment like a kitchen? I would think that the C Channel would prevent the wood from contacting and expanding.

[@ToolsToday]

I'm not. The C channel has elongated slots where the bolts go in in the direction of expansion allowing the wood to expand and contract freely while still remaining flat.

[@T3KFTW]

Okay I understand not using inserts. However those kind of bolts are not going to hold up to being in wood

[@dwdw4499]

I just smiled while watching your video Cheers!

[@death20015200]

Why not use a tapping cycle in the G-code

[@jerrymazur7009]

Нарезать резьбу в дереве? А почему уже не на термопистолет?

[@hot_wheelz]

"threaded inserts keep breaking because the wood is so hard".... Yeah that's why you use stainless steel threaded inserts, the zinc and brass inserts aren't worth wasting your time with.

[@ToolsToday]

I did, snapped the top off of two stainless steel inserts.

[@jordanblack2250]

How did you thread wood... at a 40° angle..?? Lol

[@gonna_hurt_your_feelings]

You used a thread tapper in wood?

[@allroaddaily]

Screws straight to wood? That won’t hold long time. I’d rather use insert first.

[@akronimm862]

Finally, some good content

[@stuffbackwards]

Anyone else annoyed that the holes for the screws weren't centred under the slot?

[@RikkertdePikkert]

What material is the threading bit made of? I’d expect that the wooden threads would break when using a steel bit, or is it just a case of being careful?

[@pelath3]

well judging by how rough he was when tapping them it's not a matter of being careful lol I mean he went at it hard and fast enough for it to kick and go in crooked

[@mtraven23]

i might have put a dab of glue on those screws...

[@bucknut6631]

Seriously?! You're giving the bit part #?

[@toddrf]

If your threaded inserts are breaking, you aren’t drilling the right size hole for the wood you’re using.

[@ToolsToday]

I tried putting the inserts into a test piece with 3 different hole sizes and had to get to the point where the threads were barely grabbing the wood so the insert wouldn't break or the tool to install the inserts wouldn't break.

[@toddrf]

@@ToolsToday Honey locust isn't particularly hard, so I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble. What threaded insert were you using?

[@ToolsToday]

Stainless steel ez lok inserts

[@SuperHall98]

Why would you tap wood on that nice of a table sound like the wood breaking the tap was a sorry excuse for laziness

[@wesman7837]

Damn you need to slow down your feed rate a little bit so you aren't burning your bit's so bad!

[@ToolsToday]

These are solid carbide bits, this is a Spektra coating on the bit that gives it the color.

[@ancosam]

What's the name of this spindle?

[@timtaylor3006]

Lovely! Where on earth do you find your c channel??

[@ToolsToday]

Thank you. I just got this from Amazon www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09JBZWMSN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[@rotating-alfadiq]

Good Machinery

[@vonflorencecolitoy4414]

How much is that cnc of yours?

[@TheHeavyshooter]

No washers on a slit hole lmao

[@matthewcote5634]

I think you gotta put more time in coming up with better names for these things

[@harrisonfoster1889]

he used the correct names though 🤷 not his fault you can't understand but yea literally the exact names of the tools

[@matthewcote5634]

@@harrisonfoster1889 well then, Who Ever It Is, needs to put more time into Naming the tools!

[@nyonthemap617]

I got a few washer in my tool box I can loan u.

[@tkmonte1908]

It's like he talking Chinese, can we get subtitles with layman's terms

[@alan_music3018]

Hi you made the machine at home

[@iplaycodmw2]

What’s a c channel

[@J.S.McDuff]

I’ve always slightly made fun of guys who use threads on wood and I was wrong. I’m sorry

[@proskywalker]

No, these bolts are not going to hold anything at all. And certainly not this kind of firewood

[@battles151]

I have never seen a tap driven into wood. May the customer have mercy on your soul.

[@ToolsToday]

Luckily, I'm the customer, so if something goes wrong, I can fix it.

[@Professionalfailure]

Customer? Not everything has to be for sale lol, people can make things for themselves, although you wouldn't know because you lack creativity and would just buy every thing for a fortune because you can't comprehend saving money and making stuff yourself, none of the commenters on these types of videos can.

[@brandonvillegas9249]

So many butt hurt wood workers here. The Cnc will work 10x faster than all of you together and you can program that machine while laying in bed. More money less time les stress….

[@fredmertz1791]

Who the hell thinks this is bonkers? 1. Who threads wood ? 2. Who uses sheetmetal screws on wood ? 3. Why would you use a piece of c channel when a flat strap would be just as good and much easier

[@JohnDoe-oo1sz]

Bro why tf did you thread WOOD? 😂🙄

[@Ibims2]

Thats wrong

[@jaquanaking3005]

Washers bro. Washers.

[@CrustyTOOTS]

Bro this man uses a cnc for the most basic woodworking skills. Jesus , kinda lame. Your products will have more soul with sweat blood and tears poured into them.

[@КонстантинШахматист]

Винты? В дерево? Ну да, ну да... нахер таких мастеров...