Adding onto my Previous Talk about the Friday Night Funkin' Fandom

[@SerialIntrovert]

*This comment exists to clear up some issues with this video. I will update this comment over time as I get more info.* **CommunityGame** Many people have pointed out that CommunityGame does not silently play his mods, and in fact adds his own unique flair by performing skits, getting voice actors for dialogue, and other entertaining edits. I guess I haven't watched enough CG to notice this... I'd like to point out that I don't hate CommunityGame, as it would seem I do. I'm just a dumb idiot for not doing my research properly, and I'm deeply sorry. **/v/ mod** The "shock comic" was added to the /v/ mod by the creators because they deliberately wanted the mod to be taken down from Gamebanana. Apparently, they never really wanted the mod uploaded on Gamebanana, and only wanted it to be circulated around 4chan. This is confirmed by dude0216, the only non-anonymous developer on the /v/ mod team. **bbpanzu** Admittedly, the stuff I said about bbpanzu discriminating against White People was pretty stupid. I kind of got caught in the heat of the moment and noted it down without much thought. Disregard that point if you want to. Some other bbpanzu-related stuff: 1. To some extent, bbpanzu can be blamed for causing the entire Sky drama, as Sky's age was the main point of contantion in the controversy. Many people have criticised bbpanzu for somehow not researching enough into the character in his own mod to accurately determine her age. Furthermore, after he removed the Sky mod from Gamebanana, bbpanzu proceeded to attempt to have every other Sky-related mod taken down as well. There is still hypocrisy here, however. Although bbpanzu wants to remove any semblance of Sky from any FNF mods, Sky is still featured in the Date Week mod, which bbpanzu worked on. 2. Apparently, bbpanzu may have been one of the people who initiated a wave of harassment against Ramen Noodiles. It has something to do with bbpanzu making a tweet calling out Ramen Noodiles and their mod for saying the N-word during a livestream (although Ramen Noodiles is Black-Hispanic, and is therefore technically allowed to say that word). Ramen Noodiles has informed me that bbpanzu formally apologised to them, and they now maintain a strong friendship. Noodiles also states that they believe bbpanzu plays a character on social media, and isn't a truly malicious person. I'd like for it to be noted that I don't hate bbpanzu. He is very talented, and I genuinely enjoy a lot of the mods he created, such as vs. Sunday and Date Week. There are just a couple of misdemeanors which make me hope he can improve himself in the future. **Kolsan** I spoke with Kolsan on Twitter, and he told me that he did post a serious apology in regards to the cancer patient situation. It is difficult to verify this claim since his original Twitter account is suspended, but he seemed sincere enough. **Revie (Sonic.exe controversy)** There is a controversy regarding Revie, the director of the Sonic.exe mod. It is mostly to do with grooming accusations levied against her. Here is a Twitter Thread which explains the whole situation: twitter.com/falsecow_/status/1481458832299671558 To sum it up, Revie allegedly groomed at least two minors, and attempted to justify it by claiming that she was simply doing a consensual roleplay with them (and happened to make a few sexual comments), as well as claiming to have been doxxed when her misdemeanours were exposed. Since then, the two Sonic.exe songs she worked on ("Faker" and "Black Sun") have been removed from the mod. **Whitty's return** Whitty has been officially rebooted by the original dev team (including sock.clip). Download the mod here: gamebanana.com/mods/354884 (INTERNAL SCREAMING BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENED IMMEDIATELY AFTER I POST A VIDEO.) **The_Mayz (Sad Mouse Controversy)** There is some drama with Maymays4days (a.k.a The_Mayz), a mod creator most known as the director of Sunday Night Suicide. To begin, here are the two main sources: Callout against Mayz: docs.google.com/document/d/1ZLznmFOThNeiyag0n0_zrq3Fwjdkd_Gg2YR3mARNZ0Y/edit Mayz's Response: docs.google.com/document/d/12cLhEyN757CFNrEMbeHXi0lKhlNpm5s7z91Gud0nOew/edit# Mayz's Video about the Situation: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3OlimmDea-onNU Mayz's Community Post about the Situation: kzbin.info/door/5LWfrKwqWXLxgr_yVddFNQcommunity?lb=UgkxpwIzB9R4heTRSzT85XKiexu4w9YK4TpA There is a lot of stuff I'm not going to cover in this comment, so please check the two google documents which I listed above for additional information. I'll list some of the worst of Mayz's alleged misdemeanours: 1. Mayz's Discord server had a channel which seemed like it was intended for fat/inflation fetish artwork (as well as NSFW roleplay), and many people accused Mayz of not restricting the channel to older people. This was somewhat rebutted by Mayz, who claimed that the channel was initially a place to post furry art, but after seeing people begin extensively posting NSFW images, he age-restricted the channel to 16+ only. 2. In the Sunday Night Suicide mod, there is a lot of screen-shaking (as with many other creepypasta mods), but when he received feedback on the fact that the shaking induced seizures, Mayz made a KZbin community post where he EXPLAINED THAT THE SHAKING WAS A GAME MECHANIC AND THEREFORE COULD NOT BE TOGGLED ON OR OFF (which is completely untrue, as the screen-shake is simply a visual element) and tried to play it off as "oh, it's a creepypasta so I can implement creepy screen-shake , whether you like it or not". Mayz later claimed that he didn't realise screen-shaking could cause seizures, and he later made said screen-shake a toggleable feature, but his initial handling of the situation was genuinely awful. 3. Mayz has been accused of grooming a 15 year old girl (he was a minor at the time as well, so it is not p*dophilia). Mayz allegedly convinced the girl, Lily, to break up with her boyfriend to date him. Apparently, Mayz may have also leverage nudes or sexual favours from her, however, there is no conclusive evidence of this. On his Discord server, Mayz caught wind of an old friend claiming they wanted to kill themselves. Mayz pinged everyone and asked them why no one brought the issue to his attention. This caused people to make jokes and memes about the situation. Mayz and Lily had a major falling out because of the Mayz's handling of the situation, prompting Lily to kick him out of his Discord server and begin spreading rumours about Mayz being a groomer and p*dophile. Lily eventually deleted the Discord server and her Discord account. There is insufficient information to make a judgement on this issue, however, it appears that Lily was acting somewhat suspiciously and maliciously against Mayz (see Mayz's response in the source above). In his response document, Mayz showed evidence of people who managed to impersonate, send death threats/slurs to, and dox him, which, if true, is genuinely disgusting and I have no qualms with saying that I despise those people. The drama may still be ongoing, so I will update if more information surfaces.

[@nightmangle8228]

Despite the stuff about vs /v/, its still my 2nd favorite mod.

[@grbr2006]

revie isn't the original creator of the sonic.exe mod, she was the director

[@SerialIntrovert]

@@grbr2006 Noted

[@noah_cervantes]

You forgot the Sonic.exe controversy and the sad mouse one

[@JD_Maybe]

Hey serial! I think you should check out revie's drama

[@Sir.rattusrattus]

I like how people see a mod that "isn't child friendly" and instantly try to take it down when the game itself isn't child friendly at all

[@enderparrot3314]

Facts. Don't know how folks can't see that fnf is not kid friendly at all.

[@denchicksson]

@@enderparrot3314 thise are children

[@enderparrot3314]

@@denchicksson fair.

[@CutieFakeKirby]

@@denchicksson makes sense

[@Black__Rose.]

Wel I would but, Ehh..... I ain't gonna talk back because I'm a kid so I can't really defend myself

[@thebapslaps]

You know. Undertale also had an extremely toxic community when it started for the first few years. It was cringey and just overall unwelcoming. But as time has past its much nicer. Who knows. Maybe itll happen with this one.

[@theholychonk8324]

I feel like that could be the case. After all, Early Undertale and current FNF are showing alot of similarities in fandoms. Both have lots of cringe, mods (basically the aus of FNF) and general bad people. With enough time I'm sure the community will filter out the bad enough to make the fandom at least better than it is now.

[@orein1880]

Ive always said that the fnf fandom was just undertale fandom 2 in time the fandom will get better and i hope I'll be there to see it

[@justanormalguy5496]

Yeah I feel the undertale fandom just got progressively better, and when deltarune came out, I don’t think I’ve seen a single bit of drama from the deltarune community, nothing but nice people there.

[@theholychonk8324]

@@justanormalguy5496 yeah, I never see any real conflict or controversy in the deltarune community other than the occasional debate or cringe-worthy material.

[@skell6134]

@@theholychonk8324 Basically when new popular game,each time little part of bad people every time will leave community i hope and with time passing FNF will be mostly clear from bad people i hope(my english sucks)

[@Phoenix-lh4fw]

Remember when fnf community was small and fun, without any dramas? Yeah me too

[@Joshuamiller19570]

Everyone who was part of the "Original Fandom" is still here, If they truly loved Fnf as much as I have, Then they'll still be around. It's not like there being more people changes the Core fans of the Game. "I started playing when Week 4 first came out, Which if you remember was back when each Week was coming out fairly quick, So I'm probably like a 2nd Month Fan or something xD" Edit: It was fun looking through each of your replies! It's cool to see so many Week 2 or Week 3 Fans here! You guys 1-Upping me like champs xD I'm glad to see you guys are still having fun with Friday Night Funkin' o/

[@lilydascientist9576]

Same I'll be vibin here til the end tho.

[@hotdogz4857]

Yeah I miss those times too

[@perhapsYoYo]

@@Joshuamiller19570 i was there when week 2 was announced

[@fischio-gc-hides5994]

@@Joshuamiller19570 gotta be honest besides all the drama i would stay in the community

[@shiningknight661]

Sleep well, bro. You may've made mistakes, but you acknowledge them and move on. Epic stuff from you despite that slip-up you made while finishing it, hah

[@LowmilkExWife]

I love burger

[@Helphowdoiplaythisgame]

@@LowmilkExWife borgir

[@Couchpotatosenpai]

Borger

[@shiningknight661]

@@Couchpotatosenpai Burger, ya furniture

[@dansstuff9426]

borgir

[@JoshingYa]

Very informative, professional, and mature video, but it's hard to take internet drama seriously when it's all just allegations and editable screenshots.

[@SerialIntrovert]

Unfortunately, that's all that makes up evidence on the internet

[@kingj9664]

@@SerialIntrovert Just want to say once again enjoyed your video, And why I would say I would want you to stay in the fandom on the fandom I honestly wouldn't blame you if you left if you left. But you should do I do and probably not engaged with the fandom too much and just enjoy the music that gets put out or try and separate the art from the artist if they get to trouble

[@RushWheeler]

@@kingj9664 dude just misspells fandom 3 times in a row

[@kingj9664]

@@RushWheeler Text speech misunderstood what I was trying to say but since it's so important to you I corrected it

[@alexswin2.778]

@@SerialIntrovert wut do u think of the fnf pibby mod? i bet its good

[@sireggnog890]

It is hurtful as a former fan in the community during all of this happened, I wish things could've somehow turned back of the way it was before, but since then I've already lost faith of the community then just left it for now. How upsetting of a game having some potential a year ago into having a toxic community killing it instead, god I hate the internet so much man :(

[@thechugg4372]

The game isn't dead, it'll eventually release and everyone that's not in this community is eagerly waiting to buy it day one.

[@OverdriveNexus]

The game and community is still thriving, Like it's absolutely not even close to death and there is still plenty of actual quality stuff in the good side of it, But I do definitely agree That all of the controversies and Toxicity is extremely tiring and i really don't blame anybody for leaving this community because of it.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

The Community has little say in the matter if Fnf "Dies" or not, Stop assuming it matters when idiots "Cancel" each other on Twitter. Just f*cking enjoy the Game dude.

[@azul-currymagician4909]

The vocal minority is not the majority. All communities aren’t inherently bad, it’s just the vocal minority that gets the most attention Don’t forget that there’s still good people in the community and that they’ll gladly welcome you back if you choose to rejoin it! i dont think that i worded this correctly but i decided to say it anyways

[@Manynamesonehandle]

things happened and we move on, all we can do is hope for the best yes this game has a... interesting... community. but however i don't think fnf's community is going anywhere anytime soon for better or for worse. all we can do is wait for week 8 and the erect update and hope things change for the better. and also hope modders don't continue to be absolute criminal scumbags. (Have faith my friend i know things can and will change) :)

[@afrdzul9811]

Dramas and toxicity aside , i love the idea of a Vs Community Game mod

[@somerobloxdude3699]

It exists actually

[@justanormalguy5496]

@EL AUTENTICO what

[@barkingsandwich]

Yeah

[@calebbaumtm1915]

@EL AUTENTICO excuse?

[@TheGreatPM1]

No

[@AcerolaWithAKnife]

Remember when it was just a game about a boy rapping to win a girl? Yeah good times, less controversial times.

[@tlkfanrwbyfan8716]

And occasionally an angry bomb, a chill smoker, an insane murderous clown and an even angrier invisible goat-looking skull guy.

[@k4tzz_cc]

@@tlkfanrwbyfan8716 and a flute and her russian bf

[@BangBangMaxwellsSilverHammer]

@@k4tzz_cc and a guitar sounding bomb

[@BangBangMaxwellsSilverHammer]

and a black dream knockoff

[@Kiwi_stupid]

And reskins

[@redkarnationaprettymuchany1325]

Let me just say, simply don’t look at your fav creator’s twitter. Don’t interact with them, and not even out of spite make a thread about what they have done. You’re giving them more attention, you’re making them bigger than they already are. This isn’t school, or work, you can cut relationships with them easily in the internet unlike the previous two mentions and is over. I don’t want people out of boredom doom someone’s internet life, just push them aside and make them disappear from your life. Many content creators are messed up, so are celebrities, but mainly because they are humans who have problems that can’t be deal with if you just CANCEL CANCEL CANCEL. It’s not easy for anyone in the internet to create content when many anonymous eyes look down on us like clowns on the world’s biggest circus, there are obviously genuinely bad people who know their cards and ways to harm…Others however are genuine people who are real sensitive and rage about because they let feelings take the best out of them. Worst part, many mod devs are at best at their TEENS. BBpanzu was a teen a year ago, they are now 18. The teen phase os the most emotional and messy phase we go through, hell, many don’t even escape this phase and act like very childish adults. SO, as I said earlier…Just avoid the creators, enjoy their work, and that’s that.

[@redkarnationaprettymuchany1325]

@EL AUTENTICO No other better solution at this point tbh, otherwise it is a witch hunt rather than a community

[@KatsyFNF]

Mistakes were made.

[@mintymimics213]

Agreed. (TLDR: chasing people off of the World Wide Web almost never fixes the issue at hand) And on another note, i don’t think that canceling will always solve problems. Like yeah if someone does something bad, they deserve to get exposed, and their fans have every right to be mad. But canceling someone so harshly to the point of leaving the internet *does NOT* ensure that they’ll try to be a better person. What it will most likely end up doing is causing them to go under cover by making alt accounts and keep doing horrible stuff. Either that or two other thing’s, that being; (1.) leaving the internet *completely* doing lord knows what irl, (2.) not changing at all and remaining on the internet, victim blaming, acting defensive, ect. Until their main accounts on the websites that they use get banned (if that ever happens.) Which will most likely cause them to beg to be unbanned or make alt accounts to do the same bs all over again. There’s only ever been one instance where I’ve seen cancel culture actually semi-fix a problem, and that was with CallMeCarson (unrelated to FnF). I’m not sure if this is a bad take or anything but I just felt that was worth mentioning that there’s almost never anything good that comes out of canceling people (to the point of making them leave the internet, I mean.)

[@KatsyFNF]

@@mintymimics213 Believe me, I have experienced this in FNF and got chased off by popular modders. Personally, I do think what I said was wrong, but I was drowsy at the time, and once I snapped out of it I deleted the tweet. It's not like I had a particular following at the time, but a person saved my tweet and said after that they are feeling along the lines of being brutal and that they like it, and people SUPPORTED that.

[@mintymimics213]

@@KatsyFNF I’d really like to believe that Twitter drama can be really unnecessary because it goes after regular users and never people who are idolized. And with petty stuff like that, I will never see it as anything else but people being petty just for the sake of being petty. (Also sorry that happened to you)

[@ipsnip5828]

As someone who stays as far away from controversy as possible for my mental health I’m not too well informed on the fnf fandom but it seems like they need to be told “No” and then stop making drama instead of blowing it out of proportion

[@Joshuamiller19570]

Yeah ignoring them is best, You got the right mentality my dude o/

[@chrystynec1496]

@@Joshuamiller19570 the problem sadly arises when the line between real crime and internet drama are blurred i don't want drama, but when do we draw the line?

[@mrbigsta4221]

@@chrystynec1496 I think I have the answer. Everything on the internet (and everyone) should be treated as how you’d treat them in the real world. That also applies real world laws and such. People and friend groups could say where they wanna “live” and those laws apply to them there, so we fix the problem of “which laws apply to people” (in other words, choose a place, and those laws will apply to you on the internet).

[@chrystynec1496]

@@mrbigsta4221trolls trolls are the worst

[@Tenerens1s]

You forgot to mention: The NSFW in the /v/ files was meant to take it down from GameBanana, since the person who uploaded it to GameBanana wasn't the creator of the mod and they actually stole the files. This is confirmed by dude0216, who is the charter of the /v/-tan mod and the only non-anonymous member of the team behind the mod.

[@SSFplayer2]

Well that's one way to purposely manipulation some thieves.

[@hentpplays8845]

300 IQ, that's some way of doing it.

[@aboogala4678]

They're truly playing 4d monopoly

[@ochoforreals]

That seems way too "my dog ate my homework" esq for me to take it seriously. I dunno

[@Tenerens1s]

@@ochoforreals Well, it's what was said.

[@a_generic_name1011]

Ah yes Friday Night Funkin, a simple prototype rhythm game birthed from Newgrounds nostalgia with an unfortunate fan base of mostly minors and a modding/fan community which makes a standing next to an nuclear reactor look more pleasant, the modding/fandom only fueled more by Twitter and beings of extreme toxicity Bruh, the full game isn’t even out yet This game’s future doesn’t look very bright at the moment

[@a_generic_name1011]

@EL AUTENTICO You bring a good point however despite Kickstarters reputations for being scams, I don’t necessarily think it would be the same for this. Most kickstarter funded games that have been successful are board games. Massive projects like rpgs or open world games are always scams. In Friday Night Funkin’s case it’s a simple rhythm game. As an experiment I put money towards this game’s Kickstarter for a basic copy of the game. The devs do send out progress reports almost every month and from what I can tell it’s seems genuine. But then again only time will tell

[@darkmodeenjoyer3367]

@EL AUTENTICO yeah but that is also somewhat wrong, there have been so many games ghat have been released due to people kickstrating it So saying it only scams is a lie.

[@denysvision]

@EL AUTENTICO i don't understand what you said about been a scam? the devs didn't even ask for m uch money, it was about they money goals, and besdieds why would you donate in the first place?

[@Joshuamiller19570]

"Fueled by Twitter"? Are you okay dude? Friday Night Funkin' doesn't need anything other then Newgrounds to exist, It LITERALLY does not matter what idiots say or do about Fnf, Their opinions mean nothing, And if they want to be little b*tches about it, They should just stop playing the game. Fnf does NOT need them, For it to be awesome.

[@a_generic_name1011]

@@Joshuamiller19570 I meant the toxic fandom of Friday Night Funkin is fueled by Twitter, of course Friday Night Funkin is better without it, I was just mentioning the problems surrounding the modding community is only fueled more by Twitter. We clear now?

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Surprised you didn't bring up the Sonic.exe situation. Honestly to me FNF is like any other community it has it's good and bad side but the bad stuff isn't enough for me to outright leave the fandom and stop looking at mods. I just either ignore it or acknowledge it and move on but I understand why others would just get sick of the crap and leave. Hopefully the community overall improves and the full game releasing years from now will bring the community back to it's peak. Edit: Wow literally the next day Whitty returns nice lol

[@Joshuamiller19570]

Yeah same for me, I acknowledge how bad it can be at times, But that's just the Internet in general, If you're planning on using it you just have to accept there are going to be sick people who enjoy the same stuff you do. "Albeit it for different reasons" I just ignore the stupid stuff and enjoy the amazing Mods that come out, And I can't wait for the Full-Ass Game to eventually come out! o/

[@AbadabaBoy]

I feel like that this video was supposed to be a continuation from his last video, not a follow up from it. (If that makes sense) So I understand why he didn't talk about new problematic people that wasn't mention in his last video. if Serial Introvert ever do a third video on the overall FNF Fandom, I feel like THEN he would include the Revial Situation.

[@Itsbully06]

the sonic.exe mod was ironically innocent with the creators except faker

[@skell6134]

Sonic.exe situation isnt been hyping much so no need to draw much attention to it

[@skell6134]

@@Itsbully06 And only Faker,im pretty sure they can keep going with mod with just cutting Faker from it or remaking it entirely Same would've been with Bob and Bosip if... welp... While in Sonic.exe mod they lost in controversy only like... a finger,or maybe just got wound,while in Bob and Bosip situation they sadly got head cut off . -.

[@ChampionKnightEX]

I looked back at what the community’s become and realized I got fooled which I can take ownership for. Seems like I was wrong when I put that one comment. No one’s perfect in their own world but I’ve seen the error of what’s going on. Action will be taken. I’m not one to be pulled into drama. I’m always neutral on the situation.

[@CatsLilaSalem]

One thing about CommunityGame is that he is playing a lot of hidden gems, and gives attention to good mods who would otherwise be buried. Also effort into sorting and pointing out songs, cutscenes and special things

[@GamerKid64]

Well I’m More Pissed Off At CommunityGame Because Of The Fact That He USED To Do Videos On Other Nintendo Games Like Smash Bros, Mario, Ect. Now He’s Just Making These Stupid Fnf Content Videos Because He’s A Corrupt Jerk!!!!!!!

[@EggoBoi]

I like how he covers less known mods like one chance or in the galaxy

[@CatsLilaSalem]

@@EggoBoi Late response from me, but i dlove the in the galaxy mod

[@vrooooom666]

Man I remember getting into the fandom thinking "It's a rhythm game fandom, how bad can it be?"

[@Sephelions]

"What could possibly go wrong?" energy

[@pascuala.]

"Ah, what a funky little rythm game i hope the community is full of nice people!"

[@ursapolargalactica]

I think the same

[@rcmastergamer1800]

18:58 You mean 3 attractive people? Don't do my man Knuckles like that.

[@lukasruston8618]

Knuckles was probably the most attractive thing on that image to be fair... and this is coming from a straight guy XD

[@the_menace_of_comments]

Duh

[@distractioncat7285]

his knuckles aint the only thing tougher than leather

[@lukasruston8618]

@@distractioncat7285 Yeah, I'm pretty sure his skull is stronger than leather, I'd be pretty worried if it wasn't

[@pop-roxs]

im so glad that you still continueto educate me on fnf controversy, as well as saying that people can still like the b&b mod while also not supporting amor's actions. seeing as i find it hard to hate the mod after being in amor's community for so long(not anymore), i appreciate that you justify people who still enjoy it :) also, as i said before in your last fnf controversy video, it is genuinely suprising that so many bad things and bad people are rising to the surface bc of a _rhythm game._ i appreciate the hard work and research you put into these, thank you!

[@usodayo_]

amazing video as usual! sucks that a great game with a wide fandom like this gets a pretty toxic fandom. im not one to be pessimistic but i do agree with you when you say that there's less and less hope for the community as days go by, but hopefully the fandom gets better eventually.

[@RareHoodedDude]

its just how the internet works, nice and wholesome games get horrible communities while gore filled games get great communities with great people, if you ignore the bad side.

[@usodayo_]

true! i definitely agree. yet i do wanna add that every "bad" community has it's fair share of good as well, and vise versa for any good community.

[@aymen9551]

@@usodayo_ the thing that personally frustrate me is the fact that when people see the toxic part/bad part of a community they generalise it even if there is kids and some toxic people in the community there is still some good people in it plus in fnf the modding community is pretty good even if recently i d'ont like where things seems to be heading since cause there is very little ammount of new characters mods(characters that are ocs like whitty and cj and sky) and most people are using already existing characters and do poor effort songs trying to get free clout hmmmm why is this discreption feel familiar? OH i know why it is pretty much the discreption of pibby mods

[@usodayo_]

@@aymen9551 i do agree i find it really irritating when people generalize a community. im not in the fnf community, but there are some very talented people who make great mods, but it sucks that it gets overshadowed by the toxicity of the rather bad side of such a huge community.

[@aymen9551]

@@usodayo_ yeah and for example in serial's latest video he said that undertale was one of his favorite games (if i remember correctly) and said that he knows that it sounds cringy........ I D'ONT GENERALISE PEOPLE IN A FANDOM! plus when thinking about it i heard that the undertale fandom became less worst overtime so yeah i just d'ont like to put anyone who like (insert game name here) with the toxic part of a Fandom for an example i personally hate fortnite but not because of the community cause the game just became less fun for me but there is still some good/chill people in that fandom and i d'ont like people judging a game by it's fandom like come on how does it make anysense ?

[@lavenderghost444]

I Haven't lost my hope for the community, cuz there are many and i telling you, MANY great mods that are deserve the fame, love, and support. (like.: dusttale, vs cassette girl, soft mod, and these are only a little part of the community's magic) but gotta admin. Lot of many bad sh-t happening these times... and its just painful to watch. The Vanilla FNF and the other great mods were the only game which made me happy once. It's just painful to watch all this happening. But im staying positive, and only looking forward to support the great side of this community.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

There's 100s "if not 1000s" of amazing and fun Mods though. And then there are some that just go the EXTRA mile and become something that's not even really "Fnf" anymore. Check out vs Mami's Salvation Song, Or the newly made Trollge 2.0 Update. They both are FAR too good to just be considered "Mods" with how they are told. "Trollge is the best by far though for sure, Salvation still feels a bit like Fnf which isn't bad in itself, But yeah" And yeah, I'm sure there will be more good ones in the future, But atm Trollge Update is THE best Mod to ever be made. So definitely check it out sometime. "It's really emotional and dark though, So do be careful of that :P" I wish you the best Friday Night Funkin' experience you can get! o/

[@lavenderghost444]

@@Joshuamiller19570 yea, i already played trollge literally when it came out, ngl. And that was something new. It was literally on a new level. It was great with visuals and story. Also +1 thing that i think is. Khm- WHITTY IS F BACK. He's just back.

[@EEYM]

BRO that’s exactly what I’m saying There’s so many high-quality stuff that people have been missing out on due to them focusing on only the drama

[@smal5504]

We need to move away from the drama and appreciate the great things in this community. There are many new mods being released almost everyday and they're all amazing.

[@smal5504]

Like the bb mod or example. Really took an emotional turn.

[@BraceletBoi]

my main thing with vs /v/ is that despite its (extremely) crude nature, you can't deny that its really well made

[@user-ds3mm6he7w]

It’s honestly very well made and my favorite mod out of the the Friday Night Funkin mods. It’s sad how people look at every little thing just to make sure it’s perfect.

[@LowmilkExWife]

I just ate a burger and it was so good, it was kinda expensive but worth it

[@Couchpotatosenpai]

Poggers

[@gameer1010]

Me too

[@cwoodswdcchannel8297]

I want a burger now :(

[@Couchpotatosenpai]

@@cwoodswdcchannel8297 🍔🍔🍔

[@somerandomjackass4802]

Did you save any for me?

[@lukeistrash5940]

''I do not care about twitters opinion'' Twiitter: *states opinion* Spete: *makes a video on it*

[@presidentbobfnf897]

now i understand why modders wanna leave fnf fandom its so toxic I've all most had my face leaked cuz of this fandom I wanna leave

[@rickysmith3529]

Oh god, I hope your ok man 🙁

[@presidentbobfnf897]

@@rickysmith3529 im fine but im joining commentary fandom cuz i cant take fnf anymore the only reason I stayed was for the views and subs

[@ibrahimDagoat786]

what the hell!? How did that happen! Man some people get so mad over pixels lmao

[@presidentbobfnf897]

@@ibrahimDagoat786 isnt it weird when modders do something wrong there all ways like guys what I did was horrible I shouldn't be forgiven yet in there apology they never say sorry once like revie

[@ibrahimDagoat786]

@@presidentbobfnf897 some people are like that and there is nothing we can do about it. Shame how people with so much talent just throw it all away like that

[@sugar9064]

by the way you shouldnt call amors situation as "drama" as what amor has done are literal crimes😢

[@pranishsahay3583]

He makes n*fw 😡

[@Helphowdoiplaythisgame]

@@pranishsahay3583 true lmao

[@nasadotexe]

@@pranishsahay3583 of minors

[@Helphowdoiplaythisgame]

@@nasadotexe true But even though i agree I hate these amoraltra when he sees children vids Edit : wut, you guys are awesome, like i made a stupid comment and it got 12 likes •_•

[@nemu-sonausagi5058]

Sadly the word drama is tagged more than crimes so people refer to it as drama so they can stay in the algorithm

[@RamenNoodiles]

In the last video, I discussed my distaste towards spete since he treated me in a very awful manner but I never really fully discussed BBPanzu and Kolsan that much since I also have my own experiences with them. BbPanzu is honestly a sweetheart and I consider him a good friend of mine. He started some drama with me on twitter a long time ago because there was rumors going around that I was white blasting the hard r 24/7 and Panzu jumped on the bandwagon. Panzu later was scolded at since I'm actually mixed afro-latino (black Hispanic mix) and I just quoted a newgrounds meme which he sent me a genuine apology about the whole situation and our relationship as friends grew overtime. Panzu can be flawed at times and I agree he can get into drama, but I used to be the same way when I was on twitter but gotten slowly better over time since I had flaws with my old views and aggressive mannerisms. Plus, I don't fully agree with his political stances on race issues but that's just me, I don't think Panzu is meant to be a malicious individual but plays a character on twitter for shits and giggles. He's actually a nice person when you get to know him, but he just gets into messups sometimes. I'm sure he'll be better, nobody is perfect. Kolsan on the other hand is a different story. While BBpanzu at least tries to befriend people and can be a decent person, Kolsan tends to purposely get into situations to start chaos. When my video was up at the time, it was the spark since it was the first time Spete publicly mentioned Kolsan's drama which caused a lot of issues. Kolsan and I were good buddies at the time who clowned on spete constantly and he was seen as a good friend of mine. He would have my back most of the time until I got hit with another drama wave with some weird kid who accused me of supporting pedophilia over a tweet a misunderstood from my dash. A lot of people didn't wanna reason with me, including Kolsan, and not too long ago Kolsan proceeded to say "aren't you transphobic?" Over one of my older controversies with me and the trans community since I'm transgender myself. Kolsan pretty much broke my heart since I considered him a good friend at the time, but in reality, all he wanted was to join the bandwagon of drama instead of using his brain. It's honestly a pain since I understand both of these fellas in a semi-personal manner. I'm not clean or perfect myself as I was once an inconsiderate asshole and I'm working to improve myself to not act like that again to people. I've learned that some of my old views were wrong and my old actions were inconsiderate to others and I usually understand the other perspective on situations now. I don't think Kolsan and Panzu are bad people, it's just with my experience I noticed things myself and I just want them to idk, realize things I guess? Kolsan needs to work on his issues with starting issues to start issues while Panzu needs to learn to ig calm down. There's good in everybody and I think Kolsan and Panzu have good intentions with their actions, just act aggressive because of their surroundings. But I'm not one to speak for either or, that's just things I've noticed.

[@SerialIntrovert]

Thank you for providing some additional information about these topics.

[@RainyCobra]

Just want this to be a fun, cartoony rythem game people can enjoy

[@UniversusVasator]

Oh hi rainycobra

[@RainyCobra]

@@UniversusVasator hey

[@xlZer0n]

@@RainyCobra hi cobra you doin oki doki

[@odinwilliams717]

25:46 He listed snow roaches twice. If bbpanzu meant for this to be offensive, then they messed up on that. Most of these are just random words or adjectives paired up with light foods.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

bbpanzu really isn't bad at all, He's certainly done some things he regrets, But haven't we all? I can name at LEAST 3 things I've done in my life I'd love to redo, Because they hurt me really bad. And it was my fault. And yeah, bbpanzu just wants to have fun, Check his Streams/Videos out sometime, The dude literally doesn't care about things he dislikes, But he puts a TON of passion into the things that he loves. That's why his stuff is so good. And yeah, That List was supposed to be ironic/a joke, Like you pointed out.

[@goobertron9132]

@@Joshuamiller19570 he should of put cracker in the list

[@RushWheeler]

It's all fun and games till someone gets called vanilla gorrila

[@swietyboze1792]

@@RushWheeler that sounds like a joke lmao

[@saltyloser1996]

@@RushWheeler imagine going up to someone on the street and calling them a "#FFFFFF" lol

[@bruhwhyme9378]

As a member of this community it's sad to see so many people go because of the toxic side but harassment of the fans fnf is crazy

[@Helphowdoiplaythisgame]

@@bruhwhyme9378 you are not member sadly :(

[@bruhwhyme9378]

@@Helphowdoiplaythisgame that's tuff

[@Helphowdoiplaythisgame]

@@bruhwhyme9378 tuff?

[@bruhwhyme9378]

@@Helphowdoiplaythisgame for u

[@Helphowdoiplaythisgame]

@@bruhwhyme9378 ok

[@J5678games]

When you said that its a loud minority, its actually how i feel about people outside any community calling a community toxic

[@aymen9551]

true

[@tigran010]

What we learned: - Being minor on internet is dangerous - Accepting minors in fandoms(of any kind) is risky due a legit problems mentioned in video - Minoritys is most annoying creatures of internet who gets offended by everything - lust for Money and fame is not a reason to ruin someone's reputation on general media - There is no truth in sea of lies

[@juliantorres3495]

Ok you’re first points a definitely fair. Minors should not be in big public spaces of the internet especially big communities. But I do have points to criticize “Minorities” Listen I know there a lot of annoying people on Twitter but you really didn’t need to hate on minorities because of Twitter. Like I know people dislike soft mod just for that alone despite there is nothing really wrong with the mod at all. The /v/ thing is more of a misinformation problem (except the porn thing that’s while yes very 4chan like is still very sus no hate to the mod though) “Lust for money” Not every mod creator wants money /v/ and other mods are a great example. I’m not trying to sound mean I’m just giving my own thoughts on all this

[@_scandisnoc_4481]

@@juliantorres3495 i don't think he meant actually minorities, i think he was referring to like the vocal minority. he definitely couldve worded that better i agree😂😂

[@ness6714]

tl;dr, don't be a damn minor on the internet

[@eloas3260]

minors like under 13?

[@thiccfreakingcheesedips7715]

@@eloas3260 more like under 18

[@redfall8501]

I feel like you did a pretty good job covering for some of the mistakes with your previous video and adressing the more recent controversies. The one thing that i had a bit of sn issue with was just your overall opinion of the fandom changing with the amor drama dropping. Im not trying to suggest that these occurances are normalized but its unavoidable in fandoms to discover toxicity and imoral people. Im not suggesting that certain news of people within the community that i liked, turned out to have more than a few skeletons in their closets; didn't hit me like a frieght train. Toxicity is present in every community, there will always be bad people. It's best to try not to let it ruin our fun, but im not suggesting that we let such people off so easily. In the end it's just something minor i have an issue with most commentators and how they portray fandom toxicity.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

Toxicity from Fandoms is actually the worst though, You can't ignore that. You just have to accept it and move on. Dwelling on it is when it becomes REALLY bad. And BOY HOWDY do people LOVE to dwell on it... :l "Looking at the millions upon millions of Drama Videos that exist on the Internet"

[@stanzacosmi]

Toxicity exists in every community, it just depends on the size and wha thte general vibe of the community is. For instance, Kirby's got a smaller relative fandom, and the most toxic thing you'll have are the "loremasters" that'll come out and correct you and maybe one or two people using shared interests to manipulate people, whereas FNF grew to such a massive size, and given it's a newgrounds tribute, it's expected of it to get the nasty people. Don't get me wrong, it's bad it exists, but it'll always happen. Either rally to become a vocal majority instead of a silent minority, or only interact with the silent majority.

[@sophiebubbles07]

You summed up how I felt about Amor’s apology perfectly. Absolutely perfectly. It ain’t perfect, but it’s something.

[@DefensiveQueen]

I'm gonna be honest about the drama with spete and kolsan. They both got really childish. If kolsan didn't act so immature, kolsan would actually be respectable. However, if spete wasn't trying to milk certain situations when it was resolved. I don't have much of an opinion on bbpanzu, outside of that I don't really like to support racism. It doesn't matter if its satire, unless expressly shown as a joke, what happened with the slur against white people thing is something I don't support at all, nor do I like associating with people like that. I hope he doesn't do this kind of stuff again. My main point was that, I don't like associating with people like him, but people can change, and only time will tell

[@Joshuamiller19570]

He was 100% joking though, So you can be cool with him :P "Because he's cool" Brought to you by a White Person~ "If you cared at all about that lmao" xD

[@kriptic3587]

One thing I would like to bring up, while not completely directed towards fnf, really shows how toxic and deplorable the fandom has become. When I was first starting to get into fnf, I remember the subreddit for it since I had reddit (cringe). But around probably June - august, one user had made adoption jokes or smth about other users in the subreddit. For a while, people were fine with it until the fanbase started harassing and sending DEATH threats to said user. This almost pushed the user to suicide, but thankfully, didn't. Ever since that, I've never seen the fnf fandom the same again, just really showed me how disgusting both fnf and reddit as a whole can become.

[@jollyjadentnt7963]

Yeah I actually remember that in r/fnf subreddit, it was so horrible... & The people who did that are just bad... I don't think we should over-generalize the entire game's fandom, but problems like this still should be addressed

[@unitedlovez]

FNF creators when making a decent/ an amazing mod: easy asf FNF creators when trying not to gr00m a minor: HARD, IMPOSSIBLE, HEART WRENCHING!!

[@pascuala.]

Mod creatora when their mod becomes popular: 👏👏👏 MINORS 👏 MINORS

[@OverZeelous]

A few notes because you missed or forgot to mention some important things. The file "s6alt" was ONLY ADDED so the VS. /v/ mod would get removed from GameBanana because the anonymous devs didn't want the mod to be public in the first place. The original intention was for it to be a word-of-mouth mod shared only among sitegoers of 4chan. They keep it in the mod every update to ensure the mod doesn't get uploaded to GameBanana, although they are fine with it being uploaded to Google Drive or MEGA and being shared around without being in one place. All of the AmorAltra "drama" pre-2021 occurred when Amor was also a minor, so what he did was misconduct, as opposed to ephebophilia. No one was arguing what AmorAltra did with the art of Blu and Mini was morally acceptable, not even me, and I'm the one who attempted to clear the air of the situation. No one has at all argued that NSFW art of characters who are minors is morally okay; it's not. It is questionably legal at best and illegal at most. (See Shadman's Dafne Keen drama) That is all.

[@horse3987]

Im glad that someone talked about the fact that bbpanzu disliked white people, i always thought about that and nobody talked about it until now

[@TheStarBot]

That's because he dose not, critiquing racism in fandom =/= hating whites

[@cocainerat9974]

@@TheStarBot but then that's when you realize not every white person is like that

[@runawaykiwibird7461]

@@TheStarBot how is listing slurs to call to white people any form of constructive criticism???

[@TheStarBot]

@@cocainerat9974 "IT'S NOT EVERYONE!!!" Okay? And? Good, that dosn't change the fact there are some anti blackness out there and bb has every right to call it out

[@TheStarBot]

@@runawaykiwibird7461 Yes, because none of them are slurs, there are no slurs for white people, what you just saw was satire

[@theballoonfamily9539]

Something that was somewhat relevant to the amor situation had to do with Revie. The EX-dev Of vs. Sonic.exe. and they sincerely apologized. Yet people were telling them to. Commit die. But Luigikid and WWWwario both spoke up for them. Since they knew it was bad what Revie did. But they don't deserve Suicide. And that gave me courage to speak up for that as well. Since Amor had a similar hate thanks to the situation. Something different with the revvie stuff. Is that unlike amor. The mod is still being continued and they are trying to improve and gave the leadership to another member in the team. Black sun got removed from the song. And i'm not defending neither amor or Revvie. But i am sick of the hate comments they get. It's pretty much cyberbullying. From people that don't have anything to do with it Remember. Never tell someone to commit suicide. If you're okay with telling someone INDIRECTLY to commit suicide. You're just as bad in my opinion.

[@psbhiro]

@EL AUTENTICO I still don’t think bullying is ok but whatever you think

[@theballoonfamily9539]

@EL AUTENTICO filtering them out of the community doesn't mean you gotta get them to die.

[@sentryishere]

@EL AUTENTICO you understand that your stooping down to their level right? Your not the better person.

[@Dullsonic3]

I will miss Black Sun. Its such a great song.

[@psbhiro]

@EL AUTENTICO I mean yeah, you can drive them out of the community but not by telling them to straight up kill themselves, what if they want to try to change?

[@zacharylandrum4789]

And BS like this is why I absolutely despise the FNF fandom. To think a very simple rhythm game with an artstyle that appeals to old school Newgrounds fans and a... 'dedicated' modding scene would develop a fanbase more toxic than Undertale, Among Us and Pokémon. Possibly those three combined. I watched both the first video and this video and I think you did a great job with your analysis on the drama and even with the roasting of that Spete fellow. Since I personally am not a fan of FNF (Rhythm games aren't really my thing, but I see the appeal), I know it seems odd that a non FNF fan would watch this. The reason, I wanted to find out more about the history of the mod community drama. Call it a morbid curiousity of something to listen to while I work. Good job on your videos and keep up your good content!

[@goji5052]

I don't blame you for being curious about all the FNF drama, given how (unfortunately) prominent it is. Damn, I miss the early days of the fandom.

[@afrdzul9811]

You should just ignore it completely, its not worth investing in it

[@mikaloobahton]

Its not really worth it

[@hexumTM]

22:39 Notice how they talk about other youtubers? Most common ones like Dream. But something actually broke my heart. He said that Lazypurple was a clickbait youtuber, if you don't know who Lazypurple is, he is a twitch streamer and youtuber that posts videos on a decade old game called Team Fortress 2, he's a really good youtuber, like really good. But when I see the comment, it just really broke my heart. Lazypurple has been in a mental health situation for a few years and they called him a clickbait youtuber? Seems messed up by a long shot.

[@perhapsYoYo]

holy fucking shit. what the fuck were they thinking? how is his content clickbait? if anything, lazy's more informative!

[@aesiro1336]

As a man who is subbed to CG, I can confirm he doesn't use botplay anymore, but DAMN he's still one of the best players. He can beat songs I can't, but then again I suck.

[@emeraldpoke]

finally someone that does their own research, 100% spot on

[@CoolingTool]

i was so impressed by how fast they uploaded the entirety of the third shaggy update with talladega and everything, they didnt even use bot play

[@vladi3862]

he's pretty averange at the game, thousands of people who are more skilled exist

[@aymen9551]

If i am being honest ......... WHO CARES IF HE USES BOTPLAY? look i know that it is lazy and that he is not playing the mod and just milking FNF mods for views but still he gives visibilty to smaller mods i just feel that the CG drama is eaisly the dumbest one of all dramas (after the whitty and tabi one)

[@starenee634]

Kolsan is good at manipulating, in pm he can sound so nice, but then on discord you can see how he trash talk and make fun of people.

[@jab7474]

source?

[@edgystuffretarkidnormcring330]

So is bbp if you think about it. No wonder Ive always felt off with the sky and hd mod :/

[@dyllie1913]

If you dont have a Twitter and dont actively search for FNF content on KZbin, that's honestly the best way to enjoy it. Im sick of all the controversies and the immaturity that any new drama that comes up just doesnt phase me at this point. Try to ignore the crybaby and pedophile filled community and just play FNF, either through downloading the mods and playing them yourself or through FNF games on Roblox

[@_mcdonaldssprite8226]

i just play funky friday on private servers and if a mod gets recommended to me i will watch it, its kinda fun

[@aymen9551]

Well it is the only way to enjoy the game pretty much i personally regret that i looked a the community's dramas cause in the begining i was not aware for neither sky and community game(to me the CG drama is by far the dumbest one after the tabi and whitty drama) and now that i am aware of this shit it dosen't affect my gameplay i am still able to have fun in fnf but still why can't we just enjoy the game in peace?

[@hamish3808]

I choose to ignore the drama and watch the cool mods and see what the 4 main devs are up too

[@theholychonk8324]

Same here, I'm trying to ignore the bad and just enjoy the good things coming from the community like the mods and the base game, which I still can't wait for it's full release.

[@ThePlushLuigiBros2018]

There's one thing you forgot to mention, how most of the fandom treats underrated mod developers like myself.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

You're a mod developer? Which mods did you work on?

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

Idk just sounds like you're giving yourself a pat on the back to me.

[@nemu-sonausagi5058]

@@TheRealSuperKirby nono the dude kind of has a point. A lot of smaller and new mod devs tend to be treated like shit.

[@bonziboyspy]

I mean if you're making a mod for the chance to get famous and not just for fun you're gonna end up being more upset when you mod doesn't take off Make shit for fun and post it Post a showcase and put it on ur gamebanana page make a trailer and show off the details of the mod that helps gain traction upload to gamejolt if you've been dealing with people being rude im sorry but like I have no idea what this comment is even saying

[@sagesoftmobi7898]

Smalls a better word but yea it's true

[@aero__108]

Let just say that twitter and friday night funkin is having a bad reputation of themself like I cant believe that I have to see a good community that was growing now just falling very slowly and tbh I didnt really know CommunityGames was really botplaying the mods which is kinda bs to me, and now the Amor Problem problem I hope Blu and Mini is still ok after what happen.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

CommunityGames was Botting up to around 3-4 months ago, Now all of his stuff is him playing for real. And you could tell why he used Bots at first, He wasn't really all the good, With how often he missed it would of ruined the experience of listening to the Mod, So he Botted so we wouldn't hear any misses. But he's gotten super good at playing the Game now, So he doesn't need too anymore.

[@SCREAMshot6781]

All drama's start on Twitter off course...

[@OverdriveNexus]

Great follow-up video! Here's Just 2 clarifications about the /v/-tan mod tho. 1: The reason why the "Shock Comic" Was added in the first place was to take it off gamebana because someone uploaded the mod to gamebanana without the mod leader's permission, I've heard the person was dude0216, The only non-anonymous developer in the mod but I'm not entirely sure about it. And 2: Another reason why the mod gets praised by the 4chan community is just simply well.. it's an extremely good mod, Like there's several people outside of the 4chan community that also think it's great (if you look pass all the "4chan aspects" of it atleast) Including myself and Popular Figures like Banbuds.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

/v/-tan is one of the best Mods out there, Definitely in the like Top 25 or so. So you have no reason to feel like your in the minority here my dude. It's absolutely amazing lmao

[@tankman8661]

Very informing video!! (Thank you for making this)

[@aliteralblueberry7837]

It’s actually said how the community as changed. I remember in late 2020 and early 2021 the community wasn’t this bad or toxic. I think in mid 2021 is when the toxicity and drama really started.

[@Joshuamiller19570]

A wonderful Pfp of Girlfriend! :3

[@aethar2750]

You reviewing over the situation with Amor kind of makes me realize how unstable and exaggerated some of the incriminating evidence was, but what most likely tipped the scales was how horribly amor handled the situation and drama, among other things like the weird shit he did/was into… Also, the Revie situation was the most heartbreaking for me out of any of the drama revolving around the community. When the Sonic.exe update came out it was my absolute favorite mod, and it still is by a long shot. What stuck out to me the most out of all of the sound test songs was FAKER and Black Sun, if Triple Trouble wasn’t as good as it was those two songs would have been my favorites in the mod. This was already bad enough, but I looked at the situation on twitter, and from what I presumed, Revie was prolonging the deletion of her account, and people sent her death threats and shit, which were considerably worse for me. The worst and lowest blows were the repetition of bringing up Divide (who’s dead, may he rest easy) and using that against her. Many want to side with the good side, but some that they think whatever they say is the good and right thing, which it is not. One can probably be on the correct side of the drama, but they still need to think and be careful of their actions and words.

[@aymen9551]

Bro i can feel you this mod is my Favorite too (even if i prefer Triple trouble rather than faker's songs even if they still are good) i just wasn't ready when i saw the revie drama i think that january 2022 was (for me)the worst month in fnf like for real WTF? 2 devs of mods that i like are exposed for grooming

[@BoneMittens]

Not sure if you know about the new events thought but, at least a month ago from now new evidence came out that supported Revie’s innocence and the fact that she was most likely framed and so far, the EXE devs haven’t came out with any evidence that says otherwise and it’s pretty damning.

[@ColinJoesseppiVEVO]

It’s gonna be the battle of a lifetime when Spete finally watches one of your videos about the Funkin’ Community. Not saying that he’ll win, it’s just that seeing how much you hate him, I better get my popcorn when I see spete post about you.

[@elmenosfunable2001]

SERIAL INTROVERT IS.....

[@aymen9551]

I D'ont Like Where This is Going

[@malwarehost807]

about the 4chan one from what i had seen, it happened due to the person uploading it on gamebananna not being affiliated with the mod, and they added the comic to get the mod taken from gamebannana, as they did not want some rando taking the mod onto there

[@JasmineBrowneyes]

I'll just wait until the "Full Ass Game" come out. Not really getting involved with FNF "Modding" community. It's just...exhausting.

[@GengarFan1997]

Have fun waiting 3 years for the full game to come out.

[@JasmineBrowneyes]

@@GengarFan1997 I've waited for longer. I'll be fine~

[@Djkl1234]

@@GengarFan1997 Didn't it said in the trailer that will be 20 new weeks? Of course it will take long

[@GengarFan1997]

@@Djkl1234 That's why I said, *"Have Waiting 3 Year's For the Full game to Come out."*

[@spacebyfriend]

Every god damn day I questioned people’s sanity

[@keita744]

Not sanity, rather their mentality

[@Lunaticboi956]

I have another problem with bbpanzu that's not mentioned here his handling of the Sky situation is legitimately one of the WORST things I have ever seen online, where he refused to actually do research into Sky's age until it was too late and he had convinced half the internet that she was underage, and many to this day still believe it. Then proceeding to nuke the mod and effectively put a blanket ban on ANY Sky content ever, thus resulting in people's fanmade sky related mods getting trashed from GB, and tainting the character forever with one of the most toxic moral crusades I have ever seen. Also, fun fact: hidden in the date week game files is a placeholder thing for the ending mural. Hidden on the wall is the text, and I quote: "It doesn't matter if it's in a song or in written documents. you shouldn't say the n word if you are not black". oh I'm sorry, first of all who made you the arbiter of what people can and can't say. Plus you have NO room to be telling ANYONE not to say slurs when, not only have you regularly used the n word yourself, you also had a whole github file FULL OF SLURS. The answer to racism is not more racism dipshit.

[@Mari-lg1wk]

Phew, I'm not the only one that thinks bbpanzu is annoying as shit. Ever since he and a few others harassed the person that created the Cassandra mod, I lost all respect for him.

[@Lunaticboi956]

@@Mari-lg1wk HE WHAT

[@hentpplays8845]

@@Mari-lg1wk Yeah I remember that happening. Geez, the mod wasn't even all that bad. They just thrashed the Cassandra character portrayal in that mod for no reason.

[@hesfallen]

Well wtf I didn’t know that

[@rbpgamemaster]

To add another layer of unsavoriness to the Sky purge, he doesn't even follow the purge rules he set. One of his mods, the date week mod, is currently the sole mod that features sky as a character. He isn't just restricting the sky mod for everyone, he's limiting it to himself.

[@Helpames]

This is why i'm very thankful for certain fanbases for the good over powering the bad Deltarune (Decent) Doki Doki Literature Club (As being a part of this Community, its really chill and not many bad stuff happens, its really enjoyable actually) Undertale (As of recent is chill now, really only dedicated fans are still there, I still linger around now and then.) Team Fortress 2 (Can get heated but everyone there is just having fun now.) Roblox (Eh really iffy but mostly fine)

[@somerobloxdude3699]

Tbh the roblox community is kinda weird, they say to bully people who hate a style (the style being bacon hairs) , and force the haters of the style (bacon haters) to like them, heck they even said they would nuke the houses of bacon haters

[@hevendor958]

To be honest, as a Roblox Player of my own (Calpamos), it really sucks when your a Roblox Player and then get treated like shit outside of roblox... it sucks...

[@whofarted.45]

its really sad to see how a game that was an omage to newgrounds has gotten normalized. whenever younger people see tank man or pico, they think of their appearance in fnf. fortunately i was able to actually do research and watched the entirety of madness combat, but there are kids who dont, (maybe a good thing) and just see them as the “fnf character”. i didnt like all the toxicity or the unappealing midi songs, so i walked away from the fandom until i saw the first video. im glad people are talking about things this community needs to get right, and im glad you fixed your mistake. here are some ideas to fix this messy fandom. 1. if the mod is based off an existing franchise, then reference the source and actually say that its not an original idea. eh i ran out of ideas

[@aymen9551]

XD look what i am gonna say is kinda too much for the devs of the mods but i think that they should have some kind of gallery for the characters and where they come from EZ

[@jollyjadentnt7963]

Honestly, I don't see why people get mad over people finding out newgrounds characters just because of FNF, its like complaining how people know obscure characters like Ness or Terry Bogard because of Smash Bros.

[@aymen9551]

@@jollyjadentnt7963 they are mad cause they think the game is for kids wich is so wrong and plus kids think they originated from there but it happens to do mistakes we are all humans and we aren't perfect but people shouldn't be that mad

[@DannyDipDap]

3:55 When the image is fading you can see the guys face under the community game logo.

[@angelicdonuts]

Hoping the fnf fandom will chill out like how the undertale, deltarune, and fnaf fandoms did saying a lot of fans have matured

[@Medineer_Gaming]

This Fandom is going downhill fast, if you make a third video, you should also cover the mayz (the creator of the sadmouse mod) drama

[@Joshuamiller19570]

It's not though. And that is a Fact.

[@GameGuy667]

What was that drama? God bruh idek the base drama in this video, it stoo long so I never watched it lmao

[@Dogofthesea]

and the faker drama

[@nemu-sonausagi5058]

That drama is already over and resolved so i don't see any reason why he should talk about it

[@Den-rc7uf]

Serial didn't sleep at all while making this, like the vid *now.* (yea im not forcing you to subscribe, but do it, he puts a shit ton of effort in his vids)

[@shiningknight661]

Can agree

[@thescooshinator]

The only positive thing I can think of whenever I see these sorts of dramas, is that these dramas are basically teaching you what not to do when you're famous on social media. Do the opposite, and the the only things against you are false allegations.

[@x8c8r]

In just 1 year this community transformed from a chill place of talented modders and nice people to an absolute dumpster fire where there are biweekly dramas about the dumbest shit ever.

[@bagel_m3l87]

on god

[@jupiter776]

Let the community die, I'm tired of this shit now.

[@pizzweak580]

I usually stay out of the fnf fandom stuff. It's a much more enjoyable experience if you ask me. But I do wish the community would be more mature, some people like healthy community interaction. Thanks for making this video

[@RicoPrabowo]

Don't mind me. I'm just here, staying away from the drama. And making my own music for Friday Night Funkin! Haha!

[@thementalorder1233]

That's good. Also, good luck with the bangers.

[@-adolfo-]

Despite all the drama I'm still staying in FNF community

[@aymen9551]

Same XD i just try to forget what happened and enjoy the game

[@seldomstudios6351]

....man I just wanna enjoy boyfriend making beep boops...

[@princkleminckle1159]

0:37 I literally had to reset my wifi for that 💀

[@JD_the_fox]

We have a new drama in the fnf community and that is revie, the creator of "faker" and "Black sun" song in the vs sonic exe mod, she has been exposed for being a groomer (how original)

[@CottonBunn]

I'm one of the first of all the backers of FNF (Number 139, if anyone wants to know), and i'm honestly really sad that the game's community is falling into the pits like this. Hopefully when the Full-Ass Game comes out, we'll see things improve a lot more, but this isn't looking too good.

[@winter.5722]

“I’m very close to quitting the Fnf community’ Trust me, my guy, you’re NOT the only one Edit: I never noticed how much I hate a lot of the fnf community till now, seriously, thanks for letting me know all of this stuff that happens in the background Serial Introvert

[@aymen9551]

I Personally Feel That I Am About To Do The Same i usually either try to forget or ignore this kinda of crap and enjoy mods but recently i feel that the modding community is kinda dying there is just too many mods that are just trying to be a clout grab so either the situation will become better and i will stay or I will just wait for Imposter V4 Indie Cross and TabiV2 to come out and Then AM OUT

[@woodsworth6756]

Before the last video and this one I had no clue about the toxicity of the FNF gaming community, I’m really glad you brought up the /v/ tan mod because me and my friends are making our own mod of it and are probably going to publish it some time later, I guess this is a awakening to what is to come after our mod is published, it’s not going to be as good as the last one but hey, we’re doing it for fun, love your content, keep it up

[@edenrav]

Im gonna throw my 2 cents on "fnf drama" here since i've been in the community for basically a year and unlike many didn't actually "lose faith" or any of the previous hype I had due to the drama. In my honest opinion, most of the "fnf drama" is just twitter drama blown way out of proportion. Its extreamly cancel culture-y in its approach and serves no purpose. The reason I believe so much drama is happening is because most of the community / creators are comprised of teens-early tweens, which nowadays are notorious from being offended from anything. Ontop of that I developed a pretty strong sense of seperating the creation from the creator. Accepting the fact you can love something without loving whoever made it can help you greatly with your mental health, due to not being annoyed all the time. Accept that shitty people exist and will forever exist, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't pay any attention to them, which is the oppesite of what this community does everytime anyone that made a semi-relevant mod does something a bit controversial. These people aren't celebrities, stop putting them on a pedastel.

[@cerabond7650]

Now this video just makes me wanna make that mod I mentioned in your last video more. So thanks for that!

[@thesentienttoaster4875]

The /V/-Tan is one of my favorite mods, as someone who actually uses 4chan yeah it's pretty accurate

[@scwiby]

I kinda wish fnf didnt get that popular to receive a toxic fandom but popular enough to still get updates/new weeks stuff like that

[@dude0216]

hey dude, this videos are super interesting. i’m glad you covered /v/ too! as much as many don’t like the mod just because of the accusations and the shock comic, i’m wondering if you enjoy the mod?

[@emeraldpoke]

The video is much better than the last one but if you don't find CommunityGame entertaining then that's your opinion. He isn't the same silent gamer as Gegcoin and Flippy. He's known for doing random skits, some are sad, some are funny, with redesigning background/sprites in unofficial fan mods, or paying voice actors for certain mods so his gameplay will always be different than everyone else. I think my favorite skit of CommunityGame was the Boyfriend dies video (that one was sad though but it blew up because of his fun skit and everyone was extremely entertained by it and even let's players went on to react to CommunityGame gameplay footage like bijuu mike for example.) His Friday night funkin termination but monika & natsuki was also really entertaining for me. The dialogues in there were not by the mod creator, sometimes it's hard to tell what skits or effects are added by CommunityGame or if it was made by a mod, but it's usually CommunityGame that's adding his unique flair to it, but he only does it to fanmade mods. His Friday Night Funkin' VS Lord X 2nd Song - Fate video inspired someone to recreate a similar mod, if you download the mod from his description and try to compare it with his footage you'll see it's completely different. That's either editing or him coding it/redesigning for a video. Everything else seems okay, but to say CommunityGame is not unique is wrong, and if you don't find any of that entertaining then that's your opinion, right? I say he's at the same level as the let's players but editing like CommunityGame takes more work than just recording a facecam and randomly talking nonsense on screen.

[@gayahhbihh]

It seems like everyone forgot about Komodachi. Or, as she goes by nowadays, Mirth. She groomed and dated not one, but TWO 13 year olds, and is currently making popular videos for the FNaF SB fandom. She's basically getting away with everything she did, and she clearly feels no remorse or guilt for what she did.

[@mikeythestickman7829]

That was a long time ago

[@ruler_of_everything]

@Mikey Thestickman These are literal mind damaging crimes

[@bige9302]

It sucks how easily bad a community such as the FNF can easily turn to a shit storm from the people, thought at least theres people who just enjoy the mods and ignore the drama

[@the_godbodor7026]

Honestly, I get really pissed by all the drama. Yes, some people definitely deserve to get hate and need to get taught that, but as you mentioned, situations like the whole BNB mod getting taken down when all those others worked on it, rendering all their work null and void is just wrong. Seems as for every 2 or 3 big mods, one ends up having a controversy start about it. Shame that the game attracts small children who aren’t the brightest which then leads to more complicated arguments. Glad that Whitty made his grand return tho.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

BNB mod???

[@the_godbodor7026]

@DrawciaGleam02 BNB stands for Bob and Bosip

[@sirsins9598]

Back again for another run, ay? I don't think the drama of this community is going to die down, ever. The mods that come out are getting better and better though, so if you do decide you've had enough of the community, maybe just go ghost and only play mods and try to stay away from even knowing about the drama. I know that's what most are doing. I can guarantee you people like Kade are probably still watching and maybe playing the mods from the shadows. Also, hearts to the Deltarune/Undertale community, of which I'm a part of. Wish the FNF community could follow suit, but hey, Newgrounds and Twitter, whatcha gonna do. It's their culture. On a side note, UT Yellow releases this winter, so that's nice. Now then, time for me to go to Whitespace, if you know what I mean. Bye bye!

[@DrawciaGleam02]

Wait, UT Yellow?! The one with enemy retreating??! Awesome!

[@sirsins9598]

@@DrawciaGleam02 Yeah, the full game. They've been working on it since early 2016.

[@DrawciaGleam02]

@@sirsins9598 Nice! Have you played Delatraveler? It combines Deltarune & Undertale.

[@sirsins9598]

@@DrawciaGleam02 You bet I have. Waiting on Section 2 and 3.

[@thementalorder1233]

Eh, I'm pretty sure the FNF community will follow the Undertale and Deltarune's community example sooner or later.

[@TheReal3177]

I thought that the fnf community was going to be chill... Now I regret thinking about that

[@drthvrdr]

Something that I'm surprised more people don't talk about is the very obvious fact that the FNF fandom is extremely closely linked to the Undertale fandom (mostly the section that loves making countless sans-centric aus). Essay warning, there's a lot here. I'll start explaining why I'm so familiar with this, which will help show how obvious it seems to me. I've always enjoyed the overdriven guitar instrument originally seen in Earthbound that Megalovania uses, so I listened to some Megalovania remixes. In 2019, That turned into listening to countless au themes. I'm not invested in the au's at all, just the music, but I became incredibly familiar with their formula. Usually, Sans (or a character swap that is just Sans with a coat of paint) starts out chill then get incredibly angry (or starts out angry with base undertale as the comparison). Sound familiar? It's the exact FNF mod formula that Whitty popularized. Shortly before FNF's rise in fame, a very popular Sans au hit basically any megalo remixing channel, and that's Last Breath. It's everywhere, and has 3 phases, and in the 3rd one, Sans is possessed by Gaster, becoming a different, much more powerful form. This is also very similar to FNF mod standard, and I'm very sure influenced it (maybe not initially with Whitty but it definetely did). There's also the significant amount of Undertale content in FNF mods. Dusttale, Last Breath, Underswap, and more got mods. Composers of Megalos also switched to FNF, most notably Saster, who has now done music for FNF Corruption. I've also noticed if you dig into the video history of a lot of smaller FNF channels, you'll find undertale content. Why is this essay relevant? Undertale has a predominantly young fanbase, that is clear. There is also... a reputation for Undertale's fanbase. These things seem to have carried over to FNF. I feel like to understand FNF's fanbase, you must understand Undertale's fanbase. There's a lot to understand, but somethings to note are that Undertale has also had a lot of drama centering around R34, and playing up really pointless things for drama, like getting mad at youtubers for killing popular characters in their playthrough. Due to FNF and Undertale's popularity both being very attached to the characters themselves (why else would there be so many au's, or mods?), people get attached. That leads to problems. I hope this meant... something. I don't really know why I typed all this out. I think I just wanted to explain it somewhere because it annoys me that nobody else has commented on this clear connection. I don't really know if it should change your view of either fanbase, that's for you to decide.

[@uva6969]

Thank you for covering the /v/ tan mod. It's been my favorite since it released and we'll it sucks that certain events happened surrounding it. Perhaps cover the Cheeky mod too?

[@damnedtosuffer666]

DK why I didn’t sub in the first place but I subbed. I’ll retweet this post on twitter and get more folks informed about what’s going on. Keep being awesome shugah

[@theawsomecheese9714]

11:57 TheMaskedChris’s profile picture at the time that tweet was up matched a lot of what people felt on the Amor situation lol

[@abbexx4283]

1:44 Lets all have a moment for my man respecting the modder's privacy.

[@Dlazma]

Here my words when I say and people should know but... LITERALLY EVERY PERSON IN THE WORLD ISN'T PERFECT... ahen... It's why there's no perfect fandom, I would make a video but then I would have to use my computer for a mic cause I'm poor as hell and you would barely hear me speak so not gonna do that, I could post it but then that would feed into the drama more so I'll just say this, people should work on themselves more these days, I'm not saying pointing out someone else's mistake is bad but there's a time and a place for everything so all I ask is know when that time and place is. Have a good day, a good night, sleep well and see you the next time, bye

[@Tri_Zer]

14:58 actually, minishoey said himself in doing all the BNB:EX songs in the description of the video, he did ask to be put in a maid costume, you can go check.

[@ElectrikStatik900]

After seeing all the crap that goes on in this fandom, I genuinely don't want to release my own FNF mod anymore. I'm thinking on just making a showcase video and that's it, so I don't have to deal with any drama. Also DANG, AmorAltra is way worse than I thought he was.

[@thementalorder1233]

Don't discourage yourself of making art because of a bunch of idiots cancelling someone over drama (yes, there's cases in that this is justified, but there's other cases in that this is just straight bullsh*t). If you want to make art, do it, this is a passion project, and, to be honest, this only affect the big ones, so you won't have any problem. Just don't go to Twitter.

[@Howerev1w117]

This was a great video, thank you for explaining all the new stuff and correcting some of your mistakes

[@DT_Soul_Main]

It makes me sad seeing this Community basically becoming a drama warzone. It really pisses me off because this game had potential to prosper, not to mention the mods for this game are amazing. Now seeing the 2 videos out of curiosity makes me imagine walking in a wasteland that is this fandom as a vault dweller. It doesnt help that twitter is the one basically putting the community into a bad image. Drama. Drama never changes. I just hope this fandom & twitter gets its act together because at this point most people would quit because of this. At the end of the day though, there are some golden apples in this fandom. It's just not easy to find due to the massive amount of Bad apples. (Note- I dont play fnf and rarely watch vids on it but damn, seeing this just makes me sad seeing the state the community is in. I feel like the game's community was way better in early 2021 to mid 2021.)

[@TheSantaMonkey69]

There was sonic.EXE drama with 1 specific developer. Revie, mostly made the Faker and Black Sun songs. I don’t have full information about this yet.

[@imserious592]

sometimes younger teenager can't control theirself they just don't know 2008 Newgrounds game is full of violence and chaotic. even younger and they can make game and redesign. why they won't listen and silent. adult modder and programmer have so much working on it, make the best as they can although have a odd things on it.

[@theeeveelutionist6629]

I would like to take a moment to say a few things. Firstly, good video (first part was good too). Second, some of these dramas aren’t even necessary, they only come up or happen for longer because people allow them to continue to happen. If they just keep quiet when the drama starts to fizzle out, suddenly the world will move on. But no, people still want to continue making a big deal out of it. I guess it’s obvious why some of these things continue on for a lot longer than normal, thanks for that Amor, but I feel like some of these things are so bad and so petty they don’t need to even exist. I still have hope for this community. It’s dwindled a little, but I still have hope it will eventually come around, and it will stay in a state of relative peace. At this point it’s a bit of a long shot, but it just might be what the community needs to get back on the right track. Back to the days when Whitty and Tricky first came around. When things were so much more fun. I can’t be the only one who misses those times, right?

[@fulez9778]

As someone who has been following cg for awhile and taking clips from I can confirm he hasn't used any of the botplay features for over 5 months and if he ever does he'll admit it like in the vs herobrine and friday night incident week 1 where he clearly admits he uses it in the video and states the reason why, so I honestly don't see any problem. and all the fnf lets players just randomly talk on-screen with barely any edits. I don't see how that's any real effort. CommunityGame does way more than any fnf let's player, but if we were to compare cg to CoryXKenshi then okay you got a point, but if we are comparing communitygame with today's fnf let's players then CG is clearly the winner here at doing the most editing and putting the most effort. He would usually add effects, reanimate, recode or add his own funny skits and etc. Some people think its from the mod but its actually usually communitygame doing... even bijuu mike gave him some props in bijuu mike's "BF has died he will be missed" video.

[@trix5258]

Ayo Part 2 i agree with all the points 100% the community was better in january-may and the drama gotten worse