Addressing the Drama - The Big Three #17

[@DrOldsmobile91]

Part of the problem though is you guys keep abandoning the actually successful shows that brought us here in the first place

[@chieftron]

This 100%.

[@Gtflybmx75]

Very true I use to watch bumper to bumper and few others but in the last 3 years I normally skip whatever is on the main channel and just listen to the podcast

[@esaedvik]

Some shows can be too expensive/difficult to produce etc. Channels have to make decisions to cut stuff all the time. It's not just "old" stuff that brings people in. They can't only care about the OG fans if they want to grow, which they have to since they're a company. Number must go up.

[@Spacepilot616]

Yup ​@@esaedvik

[@yugimotobutjacked3231]

@@esaedvik So as they get more successful and more money the old shows become more expensive somehow? Sounds more like they want more profit

[@ceelowc279]

Donut “we are listening to the comments” The comments “James tho?”

[@DvLang]

Yeah I don't really like the remaining guys if James is gone too.

[@allblacksvt88]

@@DvLang i mean james, justin, nolan of whos left i like but if james is gone that sucks because i like those 3 together in videos

[@spee3dfan]

Over at speeed.co

[@savageofthenorthshor]

Say his name!

[@BriningRealEstate]

I’m genuinely annoyed that James wasn’t mentioned at all. He was the first that I thought about when I read the title

[@Tiger_65674]

Me too

[@Tiger_65674]

Also 26 minutes how is this even being considered a podcast?

[@Dud3itsj3ff]

I’m assuming since they’ve mentioned James zero times and the fact that James himself hasn’t talked about the issue (he hinted that he would on insta about a week ago, but that post was quickly deleted), that there is some legal issue stopping them. Hopefully wrong, but I can’t think of any other reason that neither donut, nor James wouldn’t have spoken up by now.

[@bhoffman8984]

@@Dud3itsj3ffexactly. And TBH, whatever is happening is none of our business.

[@LucasMeyer48]

Same

[@dailycivicsi9295]

James went out to grab milk and cigarettes,said he'd be right back..............

[@Sr.Fluffioso]

James did the one thing that made him hate his father.....he went to get milk and never came back

[@dailycivicsi9295]

@@Sr.Fluffioso 😂

[@graphicsgod]

Dad?!?! 👀👀😭😭😭

[@Jimmy180-b1n]

Elephant in the room…… Where’s James??

[@billermanthegreat]

NDA?

[@varus113]

Isn't he like CEO?

[@BonfireCars]

@@varus113no, not that I know of. The hosts don’t really own donut. It’s owned by a bigger company.

[@juicebokz7743]

@@BonfireCarsJames IS donut

[@23headlines17]

@@varus113 I believe he once stated he was editor in chief, idk if that was a joke tho

[@sydneyice]

No one was worried about bad blood between donut and big time. We are all getting concerned about james. Imma be honest i only clicked on this video in hopes of finally hearing about james lmao

[@TheBajamin]

lol what concern? It’s a business with contracts. He will be limited in what he or they can say or do. He’s most likely looking to either step away or own a certain % of donut to stay.

[@brandonnieuwenkamp1672]

I too clicked this video hoping they would talk about James

[@BikeFixIT]

We love you Nolan. Don’t take it personal.

[@sydneyice]

@@BikeFixIT yes of course, we love the hosts

[@TheMainCore]

Worried? What... No, but curious, absolutely!

[@ryanaertel]

People arent rumoring that some corporate entity isn't letting you be creative. The community is TELLING you that the content you are making has fallen off and that they do not feel like you are creating high effort, creative, content. Refusing to listen to the community, arguing that we're wrong and you're actually making good content and dropping the actually good shows is what got you in this situation in the first place.

[@Reallifesatan]

This episode should be called “Avoiding the James Question”

[@silverphoenix4934]

Hope you are up to speeed about his situation now

[@nathanjoseph4284]

Why no mention about Uncle James 😭 He's the face of Donut y'all

[@LeftHandedRightHanded]

@@nathanjoseph4284 everyone is mentioning him.

[@jskilabe5986]

Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Lightning! Moooooooooore POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWA BAAAAAAABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[@LeftHandedRightHanded]

@@nathanjoseph4284 literally everyone is asking about him.

[@johnbarron4843]

Jermiah sucks

[@_ezra6217]

But where is Bart?

[@gregldailey]

Where is James?

[@van3158]

He popped smoke

[@javiermejia9209]

JAMES WHERE ARE YOU!!!????

[@CaptainBlitz]

And I'm Thomas! ...wait that's--

[@tjd3783]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 ​@@CaptainBlitz

[@KrispyHaha]

Where is James!

[@wornouttrends]

Y’all can’t “address the drama” and not mention James…

[@Atrocities85]

They just did... Wonder why 😂

[@FloridaManFotoz]

“We only do creative videos we like!” The Video: Electric Chinese car review.

[@Dabeano15o2]

Todays episode. “Cheap shit you can buy for your truck from China” 😂

[@FloridaManFotoz]

@@Dabeano15o2 I would rather that than any EV video

[@MichaelGMTB]

Hahahaha

[@derekg2132]

I thought James said they didn't get to do videos they wanted anymlre

[@LeftHandedRightHanded]

I think Donut is becoming more like Buzzfeed now

[@matthewkrahn3]

Literally Hoonigan all over

[@bhoffman8984]

@@matthewkrahn3”Hoonigan all over” uhhh… no. Is Donut ONLY making this vs that-style videos? No. So until then, chill on the hyperbole. It’s worthless and disingenuous.

[@link3266]

The laughing in the background felt like some tmz shit to me. cringe

[@jacobrzeszewski6527]

I don't think it's as bad as you make it out to be. LTT has had the exact same complaints levied against it.

[@fjaviermont]

​@@bhoffman8984no, but all they do now is review cheap TEMU crap and react to Tiktoks. That's 90% of their content now. Just cheap, low-effort content.

[@tyreseed5681]

Please never make a 20 min Chinese car ad ever again, please!

[@lasallebrothers853]

Thats the real drama..for sure

[@Melbourne-s4x]

Appeasing their venture capitalist overlords.

[@Atrocities85]

Yeeeeeppp! 😅 I'll just guess the firm running them is heavily invested in Chinese sheeet

[@zachcrouch168]

You'll notice the mural with the 3 hosts faces, including James, is gone.

[@ChuckyLarms]

Copyright issue, nothing to do with current drama. Actual coincidence

[@erutne]

@@ChuckyLarms elaborate pls

[@dth2brny121]

Western Truck Exchange, an L.A.-based commercial truck dealer/rental firm, had that logo at first and was the inspiration for the OG Big Three logo with James, Nolan and Joe. It blows, but when cease-and-desist orders come along, you gotta obey. D'OH!

[@Kingztaco]

Does James still work at donut?

[@aphex14]

I thought I seen him in the background @ Big Time

[@dislocatedshoulder7986]

@@aphex14he’s got a green background like Jeremiah

[@dislocatedshoulder7986]

And doesn’t follow donut anymore

[@bradybern6458]

​@aphex14 Aren't Jamed and Jobe family? So I need to go rewatch those videos to see if I can catch it too but it doesn't really mean anything if he is.

[@jonathanparker1749]

Nope. James left to not have any cooperate people control his videos.

[@WakandaBananas]

Up to speed, Science garage, B2B, WheelHouse, These are not high budget videos that keep the attention of ipad kids but there is tons of information passed on through these view where you are just sitting down and explaining something and applying visuals to it.

[@Boogy3000]

Lol, those shows are still there in a different form. Watch any of the last Ranger videos and you’ll get science garage and watch today’s Pajero video, it’s literally like Up to speed. Wanting someone to stay the same forever?

[@2mutchforyou831]

@@Boogy3000 You're delusional

[@AXL2304]

The way I see it, once the podcast gained success they probably decided they could make even more money since they wouldn't have to do anywhere near the of amount editing required for up-to-speed, and could honestly just use less resources to make automotive history content since the most demanding part would only be research at that point which sucks for people like us who loved it. Personally my favorite content from Dount is Up-To-Speed, and my belief that they phased it out in favor of the podcast led me to not even bother with it. In the end they probably don't make most of the series we liked for the same reason: they wanted less effort and more money

[@fallenshallrise]

I am loving this conspiracy theory of somebody sitting on a stool in front of a green screen with 1 camera on a tripod is "high budget".

[@AXL2304]

@@fallenshallrise pretty sure most people are referring to the quality in the editing rather than the physical resources

[@joeljeffrey9139]

Jobe and Jerry are filing a need for Donut fans asking for series like Money Pit, instead of ranking Temu product. Good to hear your investors are on board with your creative choices, but Jobe's opinions were a bit different.

[@TheStorkSR]

Oh that James news is definitely some legal-legal stuff. Big ups for at least talking about what you guys could. As a fan the only thing I'd beg for is all sponsors can't be winners but please no more sports gambling ads. Younger viewers watch your content and all of those services are hella predatory with trying to get that demographic to normalize gambling addictions.

[@Bonanzaking]

What do you mean normalized? It’s as old as time. It doesn’t get that far along without being a normal behavior.

[@GLo1991]

Dude stop trying to be a SJW at every turn. Let’s normalize being better parents and influences on children instead of shielding them to ANYTHING deemed harmful. You’ll end up a giant p&nsy

[@ChaosArises]

The fact they said they're turning down certain ads but advertising gambling tells me they will accept any sponsor if they pay enough. Don't give me the corporate BS Nolan, you're better than that and I believed in you

[@joeweber6726]

who is nathan?

[@kevinlabanca5199]

Yeah, I'd love to see what they are turning down if the ones they go with are the winners.

[@JoeUrbanYYC]

*Nolan

[@ChaosArises]

@@JoeUrbanYYC can I tell you that this had so many freaking typos I'm embarrassed 😳 thank you

[@JoeUrbanYYC]

@@ChaosArises all good!

[@jj481012]

A lot of people have been asking “where is James?” I’m here to ask, how is James?

[@Romanperisa]

I’ll do you one better why is James?

[@Romanperisa]

And I’m here to ask why is James?

[@1978garfield]

Who is James? When is James?

[@druurae]

real

[@tony69225]

James

[@Kodiak97x]

Ahh I see Donut has joined the KZbin category of 3 guys on a couch with a video about addressing drama or making an apology lol

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Unavoidable eventuality

[@Lilzac_17]

@@air-headedaviator1805especially with “fans” like these

[@tomfurstyfield]

That's what corporate takeovers do to you

[@GLo1991]

It’s a podcast 😂 complaining over anything

[@armadillolover99]

And don't forget: acting like you're addressing the drama by arguing strawmen.

[@matthewcmeagher]

How die you not address James in this?

[@marlaqfromyearone6951]

Either James asked them to keep it quiet so he could do it in his own way, or Donut is telling them to hush.

[@florafauna9065]

Being acquired won’t change anything… the famous last words of every hoonigan employee… yes sold out for the bag. This channel will be dog shit in a year.

[@joek.8247]

...may be a bit ahead of schedule...

[@CollinAlbert-zt6cc]

They got acquired 3 years ago.

[@bishopm4401]

Everyone acts like they’ve just now been acquired. We’ve already been through that teething phase. Content now is still much better than back then

[@Blacksheep-kq6mm]

They're ahead of schedule on that.

[@EyeBSayin]

Ok, Donut gang… I just did a deep dive and uncovered clues to what happened to James… By the look of things, James is no longer with Donut. The last show he did was Past Gas #239 which aired on May 27th. His last Big Three episode was #10 which aired on May 8th. The next two episodes of the Big Three clued you in, that he was still with company #11 & #12. Which both aired before Past Gas episode #239. Episode #13 of the Big Three which aired on June 5th, is when everything changed. The Big Three had a mural on the wall featuring the faces of James Nolan and Joe. Episode #13 removed the mural and replaced it with a big cheesy sign; “The Big Three”. This episode was hiding in plain sight, revealing that James had been let go, unknowing to us all. Donut had a good run, but erasing pillars of your company from in front of our face without using that blinking light mind eraser from Men in Black is nothing short of bush league, to put it lightly.

[@GLo1991]

You’re assuming a lot here

[@EyeBSayin]

@@GLo1991 Not assuming. Just following the facts. I did the heavy lifting and laid it out. Please go back and see for yourself.

[@klaushuxley3342]

I was never a subscriber - I was only interested in James because he's funny as shit. Donut is over if James is gone - sorry, not sorry.

[@EyeBSayin]

@@klaushuxley3342 I feel you… We’re all feeling it. Big business doesn’t understand magic and chemistry only the bottom line. And they had something special and ruined it. James was the heartbeat of Donut and without him, they’re completely lifeless… SMH.

[@klaushuxley3342]

@@EyeBSayin I totally agree. As a casual viewer, whenever I hear/read 'Donut Media,' James' face pops into my mind. I'm sure the other guys are nice guys, but I just don't know who they are. It's certainly nothing personal to them. I have never seen a Hoonigan episode before in my life, but I am subscribed to this Vin dude that used to work for them. The first time I ever saw him was on his exit video. Seemed like a cool guy with GREAT taste in cars, so I clicked the button. It will be interesting to see how much more of this we're going to see moving forward. Cheers.

[@clintmiller88]

Justin would have the biggest following in no time if he made a overland 4x4 truck stuff channel

[@johnyeary550]

Nolan I don’t know if you’ll read this comment but just wanted to send you some positivity you’ve always been such an awesome host writer content creator etc. I will always love and appreciate all you have done for donut and the car community and I hope you don’t take too much of the criticism and drama happening right now to heart you’re great keep doing your thing man.

[@bniedt21]

Totally agree - I’ve been a fan since the wheelhouse days and I’ve loved seeing his progress. Also I appreciated seeing a positive comment - hell yeah 🤘

[@iix23]

Stop with the gambling adds. Kids are watching this channel.

[@brandonpratt5701]

I agree.

[@TheTulerie]

Seriously, most car guys don't have money to gamble anyway!

[@ethanculbreth2466]

YES!!!!!!!!!!! Also, the BETTER HELP ads.

[@JoeUrbanYYC]

@@TheTulerie The project cars are the gamble lol

[@MikeyA5693]

Yall soft AF

[@nickh0mie343]

This lowkey sounds like a sad attempt at saving face for the company running donut. I get the vibe they are not allowed to admit any downsides of the acquisition.

[@marlaqfromyearone6951]

Or they don't want to get fired. I wouldn't go dissing my boss and risk it unless I had a backup in place already 😂

[@nickh0mie343]

@@marlaqfromyearone6951 true. the whole thing just gave me like government controlled media vibes 😂

[@brettholley7095]

Maybe killing b2b, up to speed, and wheelhouse might not have been a great idea. I honestly really lost interest in the channel when the list and wish/temu/amazon product videos and honestly haven’t gotten it back. I miss old donut. I hope you can bring back the feel of the older videos. Congrats Nolan on the wedding tho

[@XfreshcakesX]

When James, Jobe and Jerry all say in separate videos that creativity and ownership was taken away after being bought out, but those who remain say otherwise…who’s to trust?

[@jeanrimmer129]

When will James return from the war?

[@user-pn3ci3jn2y]

But wheres James?

[@andresandraderamirez1039]

“Let’s defend ourselves before we get cancelled” ahh video

[@matthewroy6911]

Yeahhhhh the fact James was not mention at all rubbed me the wrong way. He is the face of this whole chanel. I'm getting frustrated with how it's being run at this point

[@manhealme]

Hmmm no news about James?

[@frankcooke1692]

His contract ended and he is either working on a new channel or exploring other avenues. Hopefully one where he is not contractually obliged to endorse gambling agencies. The new company directors are blooding younger presenters in the hope that broccoli cuts or whatever will help expand their reach. That's their strategy, and if it works - it was the sensible call. Broccoli cuts help the algorithm.

[@frankcooke1692]

@@Carvania I don't know if you keep up with the news, but no-compete clauses were just discounted by law, even in retrospect, like a month ago. Funnily enough, around the same time he disappeared... James does carry a lot of the clout that Donut had. Even to the extent that a lot of viewers thought he 'owned' the channel. It was originally owned by Paramount, and they sold it to the equity firm. Jer and Jobe just got a million subricibers and counting off their first video. James could do the same on his own.

[@bhoffman8984]

@@frankcooke1692 he’s reportedly still under contract until March 2025

[@mikedeford4279]

@@Carvaniaearlier this year the government made no complete clauses illegal.

[@frankcooke1692]

@@bhoffman8984 Under contract by which metric? A non-compete clause is still technically "under contract". If that's the case, he might have walked away when that was voided. When Jer and Jobe did. I remember when Jeremy Clarkson was fired from Top Gear - he wasn't allowed to talk about cars on TV, because he was under such a clause. I think the timing is interesting.

[@rabbithole8858]

Message to corporate: the days of cooperations taking things over and receiving no criticism are gone. Let Donut be Donut. You'll get your precious money back.

[@powdernitz]

3 nice guys who are still stuck at donut and have to help defend it... but if they wanted to... could go start their own channels and make their own bank.

[@Lilzac_17]

Nice to see you didn’t watch the video at all

[@KoryBrooks]

Bet James left Donut to start a new channel with his dad.

[@MurCurieux]

MORR and James!

[@DADnRN]

This felt like a “how to guide” on how to dance around a (probable) NDA separation.

[@jmart0820]

I feel like donut not mentioning james and james not saying anything on social media could only mean one thing….they can’t say anything because of an on going legal dispute….

[@FrxSolstice]

I am concerned about James. Is his health okay? Please hear us. Where is James?

[@ryurc3033]

Look at the timeline and put it together. James+energy drink sponsor+ heart attack= some sort of NDA signed for a pile of cash. If it wasn't for legal reasons, we would know.

[@VFG.Gaming]

Recently he posted on IG his trip to the latest Formula E race so he's OK but we don't know what's wrong with donut and James

[@96BN96]

Just commenting within the first hour so Justin reads it. 👋

[@jasonlillis3437]

We get ads. What people had a problem with was the hostage situation disguised as a Chinese EV review.

[@oohhhdaniel]

This feels like the suits are getting to these guys. I want to buy it, but I cannot get passed what ex-Donut employees have said.

[@Thehondad]

Recurrent: “go out there and tell them everything is fine and that we don’t control you”

[@Lenoch_]

I enjoy Donut. However, the trouble with it is that it caters to automotive know-nothings and it targets such low-hanging fruit with clickbait type videos. It lacks depth and intrigue.

[@zippyzooza]

honestly my guess is james probably got an acting gig and signed an NDA hence him being gone for like 3-6 months

[@zippyzooza]

if he is gone forever thats cool too! he always said he wanted to do more than just youtube

[@wowhowlameman]

Yall are actually making it worse 💀

[@DucatiPaso750]

James announced on Instagram that, along with a former Donut employee Jesse Wood, he is starting his own channel: "Speeed".

[@van3158]

Well it’s clear donut peaked before the acquisition, and now its on a steady decline.

[@juicebokz7743]

The description says “…Join hosts James Pumphrey, Nolan Sykes and Joe Weber as they provide their lighthearted perspective on the hottest and weirdest automotive trends…” WHERE IS JAMES

[@jarvisgreen2472]

Hey homies at Donut, Love you guys, love what you are doing and have been doing. I think most of us feel the same. We hope to hear about James soon but I am sure it is his news to tell once he gets back. Justin, so glad you joined the channel and have been a huge fan since. Seeing you on this channel is huge for guys like me. IFKYK.

[@bhoffman8984]

I’m melanin-challenged but wholeheartedly agree that black and brown people desperately need and *deserve* more representation in automotive KZbin. So do women.

[@Reallifesatan]

I agree with you and think black people should have more representation in KZbin and other media. Completely unrelated: why is everyone saying “if you know you know” on every comment and post all over the internet all of a sudden. Does it make some people feel like they’re in on some secret? IGIJDK 😂

[@nikoraasu6929]

​@@bhoffman8984pathetic to make it all about race.

[@bhoffman8984]

@@nikoraasu6929 weird way to admit you’re racist. Sorry about you getting your panties in a bunch.

[@joshwalty9408]

Nolan, you are the man. Anyone that can drop the Mighty Mighty Bosstones in casual conversation is awesome in my book. Keep up the great work guys!

[@GrantMC2]

Donut “took out” James to silence him, Nolan is next just watch

[@patrickodell7654]

They are upping production, and bringing down quality.

[@NorthernNomad93]

The fact James isnt mentioned or that James himself hasn't said anything yet tells me theres some legal issue involved. That said i still completely support Donut as well as Big Time and will continue to do so because the content is fun and entertaining as well as educational.

[@windz1432]

2:00 bro has a gun pointed at his head😭

[@Psuhockey-cr9if]

I think the comment about corporate suits not agreeing to ideas because they won’t be “trendy” is the exactly reason that donut will turn into hoonigan… the simple build videos like the money pit Miata and the explanation videos on which part does what function are what hooked me (and I assume many more) to donut. The newer advertisement videos for Chinese cars are (in my opinion) boring and show nothing that catches my attention, and dumping tens of thousands into a ford ranger just aren’t relatable and don’t really teach me anything like the old donut would. I know I might get backlash for this but I just wanted to state my opinion on the matter.

[@jesusmaciasfranco6276]

Nolan, my guy, taking comments to heart is a bit toxic to yourself. Yes we miss James and the other guys and even though you didn’t address THE BIGGEST ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM which is obviously James, we’re still here hoping something improves.

[@HetsAndTails]

Nolan you've been killing it for years man I know I speak for the majority of the community when we say we respect you

[@dislocatedshoulder7986]

Hey, longtime donut fan… Nolan’s kind of a babybiach lmaoo

[@LTULOfficial]

A well practiced explanation, 4min to explain what happened and no mentioning of James. Next time, just don't say anything and move on

[@BlueThunder1965]

Thanks for bringing us up to Speeed !

[@Itz_spelled_Jaden]

Donut media : “we still make videos like we did back then and aren’t under corporate control.” Big Time, Speeed: “we left because we lost creative control and decisions were being made we didn’t have a say in.”

[@BriningRealEstate]

So I guess we just have another Bart situation where we just never hear anything about James for like 5 years and it’s from some random media outlet instead of the guys that worked with him

[@jetcitykitty]

Bart became a dad and had to take off to do that stuff. He talked about it in his last video, when they had a drag race in the desert with different Dodge vehicles. I believe James won that race in the Durango.

[@ethanacton408]

But Bart publicly said he was leaving so this isn't the same. Himself and others said he had to leave to be a dad and it was well known if you paid attention at the time it happened

[@fallenshallrise]

Don't try to use actual facts to get in the way of this guys fantasy about James being tied up in a basement somewhere.

[@stickeminastew]

Ill be honest, there is not anyone left that I really enjoy that much at donut. I mean I really cannot believe Justin is still there, he's the most uninteresting host they have. It could also be speculation but he never seems like he knows what the hell he's talking about. I love Nolan but he's not enough on his own to hold a captive audience.

[@stern12akachris32]

This has the feel of a P.O.W. Hostage Video . Everything is fine, no one is controlling the content but us, all is good . Someone check their eye blinks for a Morris Code SOS

[@SirDubsAlot]

Up to Speed, B2B, and Wheelhouse. These were prime Donut Days for me. I still love you guys, but I don't understand why those series went away...they were my favorites.

[@joestout2959]

Nolan and Justin just seem like the nicest dudes on the planet.

[@Nunyab33]

The sponsorships dont make sense. The content has become obviously forced corporate advertising and gimmicks nobody wants to see, and all the great personalities that built the channel are being pushed to the side, but yea everythings great at donut!

[@boardaway1]

Yall literally avoided the man's name while telling stories involving him. This is ridiculous

[@randyjackson2127]

As a salaried supervisor for a major corporate commodity producer, there is a lot of “protect the company” in this podcast. Every bit of it feels lawyer advised. I miss the James led Donut and I hope these guys wake up, realize they have options and follow the others example.

[@TYLINK3]

This is getting embarrassing. Still no mention of James . This is not addressing the drama. This is not the Donut I have grown to love ....

[@PaoriLePresident]

We don't need to hear the "drama" lolll there is no drama. Donut was bought and now you promote better help (which suck) or keeps (which suck, too) to promote bnrand new nissans or Eco Mitsubishi. F that shytte.

[@LeeGGarrison]

Bring back up to speed and we need for James he’s the reason I subscribed along with the up to speed videos

[@beefy45]

Everyone asking about James need to realize any announcement regarding him is up to James himself. It’s not these 3 place to speak on his situation. James will let us know when he is ready. B2B ran its course all things must come to an end. Also the shop dog is the best 4th member ever

[@heizenblade]

When theres "corporate" involved ,its a lot of times not good and can go downhill fast. The realness goes out the window quick...🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@GHSTRDR-666]

If we wanted TopGear… we’d watch The Grand Tour (or Throttle House) We want HiLo / B2B / up to speed / money pit

[@Chipnrail]

We weren't complaining when you did the "low" effort; craigslist, offer up, marketplace car challenge videos. IMO the difference as compared to "react to TikTok" videos is one is a car guys idea. The other is a suits idea. We fellow car guys notice that. Also, high low and money pit videos changed. There more dick jokes less actual car show like they use to be.

[@jimmirogers3485]

I started watching donut maybe a year or 2 ago. I think it's great. I will continue to support the channel and also big time. Real mechanic stuff is fantastic. Some viewers think they know whats really going on, they think they are "smarter " than the rest of us. Just enjoy the channel and be happy that big time gives us that much more cars /motorsports KZbin content to view.

[@air-headedaviator1805]

25:36 oh Nolan, we definitely trust the creators , on and off screen. Most of us are just worried about the *money,* the bag, the hands giving the thumbs for how y’all move.

[@wetoolow8750]

One video that I (and possibly many people) want to see is the race between Angelina and Sandro. Please make that happen.

[@89ludeawakening1]

I'm not buying this response at all. It seems like a forced and semi scripted response by the new owners. I'm betting the only reason Jerry and Zach are still around is because they had to be paid to stay affiliated with the channel, to try and save what's left of it. They are pretty much the heart of the content, and James is the face of it all. Your new corporate bosses only care about money, not good content. Proof of that is with all the gambling ads.

[@aphex14]

From the content team: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6i3mph6m9uFi6ssi=ZOLsoWg0-2URgH00

[@SkunkFire]

Thay said in their video they are only still around donut due to contractual obligations beyond just being friends with the other hosts

[@rc-daily]

I used to NEVER miss a donut episode. Now i cant even tell you the last one i watched. I just dont know where the channel has gone these days.. .

[@bassclefconnoisseur]

No Powwa, Baby! Thanks for telling us what we already know! #Where'sJamesPumphrey?

[@illuminatidestroyerbear2231]

But you haven't changed for the better according to the fans, its like damn are you really listening? Because we don't want this dead feeling content. Im glad that it makes you feel better but fans aren't sticking around for this new BS. You are looking for a whole new audience it seems.

[@yurgon]

I don't understand why people are trying to make drama. Donut is a business. The goal is to produce content people tune in for and pay bills. Things change and people change. Life goes on. They've been nothing but honest, positive, and goal oriented in their pursuits. Why do people require drama when there is none? Life goes on folks. It's better to focus on what's ahead and best for everyone.

[@marianolopez101]

you definitely are not paying attention.

[@joshuachandra6677]

The only reason I'm still here is because of Nolan and when he leaves I'm gone

[@boooost3d]

Honestly donuts kind of lame now. And I don't know why because I'm a through and through car guy but it's just different

[@roytoy]

Let us see, Justin Freeman is meh, he is as entertaining as that guy Top Gear used to have at the very beginning that had the segment of used car prices, he was there for about 4 shows, disappeared unceremoniously and no one ever remembered him. The guy in the middle... who the hell knows who he is, the gofor, the dog walker by the looks of it. And then Nolan, the high and mighty, sits on the single chair to signify his dominance and his "stature." And none mentioned James, who basically was the entire show. I used to stomach Nolan just to see James, and I often wondered what would someone as genuine as James seems to be would see in Nolan to have him in such high regard. Nolan says "I feel it is a little unfair that our fans critique us based on past failures" or something to that effect. So that should tell you enough about Nolan and how petulant he really is. A non-tone deft comment, especially when talking about their fans should be... "I know we have made some mediocre content in the past, we heard you loud and clear and we have moved mountains to change that. We hope you like our new stuff and give us another chance." But of course that can never come from the petulant ass with a very punchable face that rolled on the floor laughing at a woman who was crying because some hooligans vandalized her KIA Soul using the USB hack. He made fun of her for being so sentimental about such an insignificant car... of course, ignoring that someone who even named her car has a deep attachment to it... for whatever reason. That confirmed to me that he really has no regard for the public that pay the bills, and this whatever the hell it is, confirmed it once again. Jerry, Zach, and James were the best Donut had going for itself. And this comes from someone who has 10 Donut Underground stickers on my BMW, which by the way always arrived late, always with an excuse, and we had to fill out a Google form every month to get our stickers. Maybe Donut will have big bucks to spend them on crazy builds. I mean, the high low series was already a pretty expensive one. But it will lack the original feeling of old, and with Nolan apparently taking the helm... no thanks, bye.

[@ZeD69420]

This comment sums it up pretty well. With out Jerry Zach and James this channel sucks. I only put up with Nolan and Justin bc we had the other three Jerry Zach and James.

[@AntSwift]

You guys saying you still have creative freedom is good, but you may have to forgive us for being sceptical whenever a car channel gets bought out. Car Throttle is the PRIME example (moreso than Hoonigan imo), they stripped the budgets bit by bit, and then once Alex left to form his own channel, they tried to continue making the same content but with lesser and lesser budgets until ALL of their main presenters left to join Alex. Now they're just a corporate shell. As someone who's watched Donut since 2017, I'll still support you guys but as someone wiser than me once said 'It can take seconds to destroy years of progress'. ❤

[@Worshipdriven7]

Well I for one have enjoyed 99% of the shows I’ve watched. I’m not a super gear head (me and KZbin can do most car projects). I’ve enjoyed seeing the channel evolution and watching y’all grow in your knowledge. I miss James because he’s simply hilarious and whatever he’s up to I wish him well. I’m loving Big Time so far and hope that relationship with y'all continues.

[@Onewheelordeal]

Pretending the Big Time videos are the issue to deflect from the real James issue

[@DropDeadAxel]

I’ll say the things I miss most about donut: Longer videos that were fun to watch but also informational. Wheelhouse, up to speed, b2b, money pit, hi/low, all these series are what brought me to donuts in the first place. I remember watching an up to speed video clip on Facebook and was instantly hooked by James. Found them on KZbin and fell in love, but over the past few years, sits gone from quirky creators to any other content creator…not to bash y’all or anything, I realize you have to move with the times, but over the last 2 years, it’s become so apparent. Like when McDonald’s went from their classic 90s/00s look, to their current modern, lifeless adult one. Jobe and jer, were great additions to the channel. I personally love jer cause he’s just unapologetically himself and he’s always laughing and joking, but he’s super smart as well. And jobe has a lot of know how, but manages to explain it in layman’s terms without being condescending about it. And James, he’s just so energetic and full of life, and he’s not even here or hasn’t been mentioned. So what’s really going on over at donut?

[@BigFatCone]

Looking back at the old McD look, it feels hokey AF. All that plastic everywhere.

[@brannon1221]

A successful start up, bought out, and the new owners start losing what made it successful to start with. I hope Donut does well, but I also kinda hope all the boys start over like Big Time did. We love KZbin auto content not because of the production cost.

[@van3158]

Agree 100% the channel is not what it was.

[@Crustychevrolet]

They made it more awkward by no mention of James

[@davidayers7796]

Where the heck is James!?

[@felipehoyos6056]

Who are the big three in this anymore? 3 writers? 3 ..editors? 3 above? I hope this is constructive to Donut and all. One of the main reason people consume anything is consistency. A Big Mac is shit, but you know what you get. Donut can change the formula, format, to any of their products.. but consistency (again) is a worthy endeavor.

[@3pAcsJs]

this is how this channel will die, like hoonigan :(

[@JaseSung]

Lot of guys here saying they’re brushing James under the carpet. It’s more likely that they wanted to stay silent to let James make his announcement in his own time, on his terms. I feel they’ll be more open to discuss James now that he’s started ‘Speeed’.