Addressing the Solas of Protestantism with

Addressing the Solas of Protestantism with @TheCounselofTrent
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[@alisterrebelo9013]

I'm a Catholic and I have a Coptic Christian family as my neighbours whom I love dearly. Very happy to see some bridge building between the body of Christ.

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Amen

[@alisterrebelo9013]

@@CopticOrthodoxAnswers My street is as close as I'm going to get to Christendom. I have EO and Coptic neighbours, and there's my family and a couple of other Catholic families. Amazing to see all the kids play together, at their age not knowing about our differences. Wish we could all live childlike like them. Thank you for your ministry! ❤️ ✝️ ☦️

[@Richie_roo]

This is quite a combo! as a Catholic, I already follow this channel, and I'm interested in studying the Coptic POV

[@Masihiun-sahraallibya]

If you have questions this channel is a good place to start. I'm coptic and let assure you we claim in Divine Liturgy: Jesus Christ is 100%man and 100%God, without mingling, confusion or seperation; he never lost His divinity, not even for a twinkling of an eye. This is the Athanasius formula. Ppl online like to say we are monophysite or myaphysite but it's propaganda from the 5th century still. One word cannot articulate the nature of Christ or His Being in the Incarnation, that's why we use that formula. He has two natures, one hypostasis and one person while incarnate. I can't speak for other OO churches, but Coptic orthodoxy follows EO and RC as far as Christ walked the earth. Hope this helps.

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Thank you for following!

[@lionheart5078]

as a Catholic i pray for our churches to finally reunite and all that is hindering us to be removed. I feel an affection for all apostolic churches but there is something beautiful and sweet in the Oriental Orthodox churches. May God bless them

[@dfwherbie8814]

Get rid of the infallibility status of the pope and go back to the original version of the nicene creed. The one that all of the orthodox churches still use.

[@Jorbinocus]

@@dfwherbie8814 amen to that. Greetings from Eastern Orthodox brother ☦️

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ God bless, brother

[@lionheart5078]

@@dfwherbie8814 the popes infallibility sits within the greater infallibility of the church. They aren’t separate of each other. The original creed at nicea was already altered at constantinople 1. The same church which had the authority to change it then had the authority to insert the filioque to counter heresy. God bless

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ we’ll never unite. And that’s fine. God bless

[@Ninaa_75]

This stream was absolutely full of spiritual meat and I see The Holy Spirit working thru you gentlemen. Very edifying 🙌🏼 Glory be to the Truine God in the name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit Amen 🙏🏼

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Thank God!

[@dfwherbie8814]

Amazing show. I used to be Catholic, and joined the Greek Orthodox Church. I recently learned about Coptic orthodoxy and subscribed to hear from your point of your as well. Great crossover. Loved the discussion! God bless! 🙏🏽

[@Pat.hibuleire]

Bro you do not even know that orthodox consider them heretics What à shame

[@grumpycrumbles7360]

As a Catholic with lots of love for and interest in Coptic Orthodoxy I love love LOVE seeing Christians of different denominations unite ❤🙏

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

It’s truly beautiful

[@joehouston2833]

Brothers in Christ ✝️🇻🇦❤️

[@soulfulplaya5508]

Godbless, you all really enjoyed the discussion..Godbless world family ☦️

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Thank you!

[@mwhabs]

It’s so nice to see such a great guest on our beloved channel! In an age where the world is so firmly against the church, it’s beautiful to see the ancient members of the body holding fast to the traditions handed to us (2 Thessalonians 2:15) ✝️

[@coptictunes]

Those holding fast to the tradition handed down are becoming fewer and fewer by the day. Roman Catholics accepted foreign teachings (like pope's supremacy/infallibility and purgatory) long ago. Now foreign teachings are becoming more problematic in the Coptic Church but some bishops - just some - still have the courage to speak up and correct.

[@mwhabs]

@@coptictunesthat’s why I like the idea of unity more than uniformity. But steps like this to get Catholics, Orthodox, and even Protestants ‘in the same room’ is a good first step. -your coptic brother ❤️✝️

[@coptictunes]

@@mwhabs Except it has a limit as Titus 3:10 and 2 John 1:10 make clear. This current approach risks turning the simple Copts away from the orthodox faith by confusion.

[@mwhabs]

@@coptictuneshence the efforts from our synod and their heads to find common ground in recent years. Our desire should always be unity (John 17) but not uniformity anymore as you and I agree on. Our shepherds know better than we do so and they seem to be aiming for unity without uniformity where possible

[@coptictunes]

@@mwhabs the Holy Tradition handed down is uniform and we don't compromise it for the sake of a false sense of unity. This 'unity without uniformity' slogan carries much risk for confusion. There is no diversity in the faith. If anyone claiming to be a shepherd claims we should accept diversity in the faith (e.g. accept the idea of St. Mary born sinless or purgatory or papal primacy/infallibility or that sexually confused couples can be blessed) then we do not seek unity with this.

[@MichaelynAri-om3ch]

Wonderful discussion, helpful ,glory to our trian God

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Glory to God!

[@lo5182]

Great to see Christian brothers from the West and East working together to battle the heresy of sola scriptura. Long Live Christ the King!

[@terryobrien9335]

How nice to see my two favorite Coptic priests, Fr. Anthony and Fr. Gabriel! (also the only two I have encountered). Many times in recent years your presentations via Copticorthodoxanswers on KZbin have blessed me. I recently heard a comment that the Orthodox cherish experiencing God while protestants structure their faith on legalities and mistrust experience. In some ‘charismatic’ protestant circles I have seen strange invention, and in some legalistic protestant circles I have seen a cage of legalities where one can barely breathe spiritually. I am currently wrestling in my mind on sacraments, symbolic remembrance or substance? Fr. Anthony I very much liked your introduction to the concept of a synergistic relationship between the Holy Spirit and the believer. Does a branch lying detached on the ground grow grapes so it can become attached to the vine, or does a rebirth into the vine become a branch that by its new nature produces fruit? At present I thank God for the both of you.

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

Brilliant point, Fr. Anthony! The Apostles were "God-breathed"! And not in the words of Paul, but by the ACTION of Christ.

[@IdiotaDaniel]

Liked and subscribed and looking forward to learning more about my Christian extended family.

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Glory to God!

[@meisanmariah8993]

Ämen 🙏

[@CopticOrthodoxAnswers]

Amen

[@unknown-vo3di]

Thank you Abouna Gabriel for representing the Coptic Orthodox online. We dont have a lot of representation in the western sphere

[@loulasher]

I love it when Catholics and Coptics team up. I wish sede Catholics would take this step, because I think the body of Christ had suffered from the wound that seperated us for too long.

[@coptictunes]

This collaboration can give some the impression that Coptic Orthodox is same faith as Trent's Roman Catholicism. As suggested at 01:09:11 , I went to Trent's KZbin page and came across Trent's video "Did the Church fathers believe in purgatory?". Trent claims at minute 3 (second 8) of his video that the core essence of purgatory is traced back to the church fathers. What do I do with this now?

[@po18guy-s4s]

You investigate with an open and prayerful heart.

[@coptictunes]

@@po18guy-s4s If I accept purgatory then my Coptic church taught me wrong. And if it taught me wrong, what else did it teach me wrong? And if I reject purgatory as a diabolical invention, then I am left wondering why Abouna would want his children to be confused.

[@po18guy-s4s]

@@coptictunes In humility we find truth. "Purgatory" is only a human term applied so as to make the process understandable. Something must occur before we are purified so as to stand in the presence of God. Men differ on the terminology and even the methodology, but "something" must occur. In conversation we seek understanding, which benefits both of us.

[@coptictunes]

​@CopticOrthodoxAnswers It's a matter truth. Here is the Roman Catholic Church explanation of purgatory: "Because if they die truly repentant in charity before they have made satisfaction by worthy fruits of penance for (sins) committed and omitted, their souls are cleansed after death by purgatorical or purifying PUNISHMENTS, as Brother John * has explained to us. And to relieve punishments of this kind, the offerings of the living faithful are of advantage to these".

[@nanak4856]

@@coptictunes Faithful Christian dies on earth - > goes to paradise. There is no punishment in paradise but peace and rest. Punishment is intrinsic to purgatory therefore purgatory is a lie.

[@aceswizzo8665]

As a Protestant I hope you interview someone who is actually protestant.

[@carlosmurillo2264]

what are you protesting?

[@aceswizzo8665]

@carlosmurillo2264 as a Protestant no believes that anymore it's just a title that was given to us but your asking a catholic on protestant questions when you can just ask a Protestant

[@carlosmurillo2264]

@@aceswizzo8665 protestants always make videos telling the audience what a catholic believes without every talking to a real catholic i see no difference

[@SaltShack]

Which Protestant? Calvinist, Reformed Calvinist, Lutheran, Missouri Synod LCMS or…….Anglican or the various sects Episcopalians. Scripture commands that we be of one mind and judgment by the consensus defined as being pleasing to the Holy Spirit. Oriental Orthodox, Roman Catholics and every Protestant denomination has rejected the resounding voices of the many that Fr. Panayiotis Papageorgiou calls it in exchange for the authority of an individual, Pope, Severus’, Calvin, Luther, Billy Graham Joel Osteen……….

[@mik569]

​@@aceswizzo8665 there's over 200 denominations of Protestant "non denominational" and growing everyday. Which one is the right one"Protestant" and which ones are false?

[@po18guy-s4s]

The "Bereans" - Lets' consider them as examples. They were absolutely absorbed in scripture. 24/7/365 they studied it, disputed over it, pondered it, read it and memorized it. In all of this, they missed one small detail: JESUS CHRIST. Even when Paul preached Christ to them, they still doubted and ran back to the same scriptures (which had prevented them from recognizing Christ). And again, EVEN after that, not all of them converted. They are a good example ONLY in comparison to the Thessalonians - who were ready to stone Paul.

[@stevenrubio85]

Great job Trent. Just one thing to point out. I think you've been debating the Protestants a little too much that they've worn off on you a little bit. You keep referring to St. Paul and St. Peter, as Paul and Peter, one of the things that separates us from the Protestants is that we use reverence.We say holy scriptures. They say the Bible, they say Mary, we say the Holy Virgin we say St. Peter, St Paul. They say Paul, Peter, get back in the habit of saying saints👍

[@manny75586]

Agree with using St. But Trent is Byzantine Catholic so he does usually/should say Theotokos. The Latin Rite says Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM). When it's a church named after her, it's often St. Mary or Immaculata. But agree with your point (and wouldn't have any issue with Holy Virgin, Holy Mother )

[@kikikaakau-delizo8152]

There are 613 laws in Torah, breaking one means breaking them all. No one could EVER keep them all perfectly so it's impossible to be justified by them.

[@Mkvine]

So what are you trying to say?

[@Troy-Moses]

13:54 How is dyothelite christology not a heresy if it holds that one person can have wills. According to those having this opinion, there is only one person in Christ; so who is the other person that provides His second will.

[@lion_eagle4358]

You should interview someone who is actually Protestant and is able to converse in these topics. Someone like Gavin Ortlund. If you want to know what Protestant think about certain topics why not ask them. Why are you asking a Catholic what Protestant thinks about their beliefs.

[@lo5182]

It's because we Catholics and Coptic believers are 100% certain that sola scriptura is false. This is not a debate. It is a clarification of what Protestants believe.

[@po18guy-s4s]

Why? Protestantism as an ideology is false. Both Orthodox and Catholic condemned it 500 years ago, as soon as it reared its divisive head on earth.

[@po18guy-s4s]

@@lo5182 Both Orthodox and Catholic condemned it s soon as it appeared!

[@mwhabs]

Sola scriptura is definitely condemned by the ancient churches and they did a few videos with protestant channel Gospel Simplicity actually. Great conversations, highly recommend! 🙏

[@lion_eagle4358]

@@lo5182 if you wan't to get a clarification about what someone believe it's best to ask said person... Some in the oriental orthodox community have this complaint about some in the Eastern Orthodox tradition. They say EO misspeak about their faith and the 4th ecumenical council.

[@kikikaakau-delizo8152]

There is a retired bishop of the OCA who's proclaimed on KZbin that Holy Scripture is NOT infallible! I was shocked and quite sad thats he's fallen into heresy and angered that he went on social media to spread that lie!

[@SaltShack]

In the sense that every heresy ever uttered has been accompanied by Bible Quotes he might be correct. His larger point, may have been, that without the Body of Christ that remains compliant to the authority of the Holy Spirit to determining Truth over error there is no Truth or no certainty that any individual’s interpretations is correct.

[@jeremias-serus]

What was the nuance, though?

[@po18guy-s4s]

Who interprets?

[@SaltShack]

@@po18guy-s4s Everyone

[@HAL9000-su1mz]

We KNOW Jesus can write. So, why didn't He? Are the Apostles better authors? No! Luke 10:16 "He who HEARS you HEARS Me" - I know of no better plan.

[@ronalddelavega3689]

You guys TOTALLY miss the point, am afraid. What is THE doctrial authority for Christian Doctrine & Practice? God reveals to us His Word, that is Scripture, is TRUTH. GOD does not vouch for any other source of Doctrine and practice as being TRUTH. Nothing can compare as a Prime Source of Doctrine & Practice to Scripture The Sola in Sola Scriptura stands for only source of Infallible doctrine.Scripture is what has established what is True Doctrine. Nothing else. John 20.31 Lets us know that it is what is written, that makes us believe in Christ and thru that belief we can then access Life Etenal Paul also warns us "NOT TO GO BEYOND WHAT IS WRITTEN" In 1st Corinthians 4.6. And it is from Scripture that we get the other Solas which are taught by it.

[@mwhabs]

If you don’t have a unified interpretation of Scripture though, you can’t have a unified church. Before denominations, there was only one church and efforts by fallible men to unify the understanding of the Scripture by the power of the infallible Holy Spirit that God promised to us. Out of curiousity, can you then exegete 1 Timothy 3:15 where the church is said ‘ground and pillar of truth’ when “truth” is in reference to the scriptures? God bless! ✝️

[@orangez1986]

How do you know what is scripture?

[@mwhabs]

@@orangez1986exactly! It’s something Trent brings up in the full interview 🙏

[@coptictunes]

Why quote one verse and omit the rest, especially the context? First, St. Paul also said: "Stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether BY WORD or our epistle" - 2 Ths 2:15. Second, on 1 Cor 4:6, the context is the concept of judging others, even being 'puffed up' to the point of judging St. Paul. 'What is written' is here referring to Lord's command not to judge. It is referring to that specific command, not the Gospel in its entirety. After all, there was much yet to be written by the apostles as St. Paul was writing this FIRST letter to the Corinthians. For corroboration, read St. John Chrysostom's commentary on this verse: "But what is the meaning of, not to be wise above what is written? It is written, Matthew 7:3 Why do you behold the mote that is in your brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in your own eye? and Judge not, that you be not judged. For if we are one and are mutually bound together, it behooves us not to rise up against one another. For he that humbles himself shall be exalted, says he. And Matthew 20:26-27; Mark 10:43; not verbatim He that will be first of all, let him be the servant of all. These are the things which are written. That no one of you be puffed up for one against another."

[@po18guy-s4s]

FALSE! You are repeating condemned heresy! Your soul is at risk!