DIALOGUE: Are Protestants Too Skeptical? (w/Gospel Simplicity)

[@GospelSimplicity]

Thanks for having me on the channel, Trent! It was an absolute pleasure.

[@DD-bx8rb]

Is Austin still not Catholic. (I jest) We are praying for you Austin, brother. PAX

[@onlylove556]

Lord bless u Austin, I know u did a lot of traveling in one day back & forth for this interview with Trent. Shows u are willing to sacrifice your own time to learn something new whatever that may be... And that's all we can ask for, is for someone to be open minded, to learn more knowledge small or great. Bc we are all biased in some ways with the presuppositions we hold to we just can't help it we're all sinners finite creatures. Of course that's why we can't know God's thoughts, or his ways Isaiah 55:8; it only could be passed down. So these sacrifices shows a lot about your character to learn the fullness of the truth. God will always keep blessing a person who is still willing to listen to more knowledge. To hear 1st, to learn 2nd to be slow to speak. As we can grow in Grace 2 Peter 3:18...

[@robertotapia8086]

​@onlylove556 Totally agree AMEN it's great when someone like @Austin is willing to listen and dig in, learn & search. GOD Bless you @Austin

[@lifematterspodcast]

God bless you 🙏 awesome convo

[@onlylove556]

@@robertotapia8086 Amen📿🌹🙏🏼💪🏼

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

Ayy I was in that studio recently! Glad two of my favorite youtubers got to talk

[@TokenWhiteGuyAGR]

As a Catholic, I enjoy your vids despite having vastly different point of views. Please keep it up and don't get discouraged by the hate you receive. God bless!

[@RansomedSoulPsalm49-15]

@@TokenWhiteGuyAGRbased catholic

[@oliveri9407]

Convert to the one true faith

[@zacharyahearn4069]

NGL I paid more attention to your tier list than your well thought out discussions. I’d watch even a vegetable ranking tier list. 😂

[@rackreman]

@@zacharyahearn4069 redeemed zoomer tier list of “foods god loves the most” would be great “According to the Westminster confession of faith, it is plainly obvious to see that the broccoli should be above the carrot”

[@inspiers69]

As a convert, being convinced of the Church's authority and the eucharist is what sealed the deal for me. There are things about the Catholic faith I might not fully understand, but I don't need too. Letting go of trying to be convinced of every detail was incredibly freeing. Being able to lean on the Church so I can live my faith, and not have to figure the faith out all by myself instead, is such a gift. Skepticism exists in all forms of Christianity, that's what the grace of faith is for. I love our Lords Bride. I love being Catholic, and that love grows daily. I can't imagine life as a non catholic ever again.

[@saviocoimbra7286]

Inspirador! 🙏👍

[@newglof9558]

"Scripture is clear" dudes always real quiet when they read John 6

[@robertotapia8086]

I'm a revert I'm a cradle Catholic who walked away and in my late 30s started truly looking for GOD but was persuaded by the worship style of the carismatic protestantes and the zeal. As I started learning more of which protestante denomination to join I realized the true Church was the Catholic Church thank you Jesus. 🙏🏼

[@alexd4066]

100%

[@djl5148]

As a current baptist, I'm about to join the RCIA because of these very reasons. The early Christians believed in real presence. Even Martin Luther did lol

[@loganleroy8622]

It’s ironic that Austin was one of the people that led me to decide to be Catholic after his video touring St. John Cantius.

[@SMV1199]

I feel like God uses these Christian KZbinrs, who just explore different denominations, etc but don’t necessarily convert themselves, to lead others to Christ in his apostolic churches ❤

[@John-ot7si]

@@SMV1199 Odd question, are you Eastern Orthodox, Assyrian Church of the East, or neither?

[@sivad1025]

Literally the same. He was doing a video with Trent and Trent laughed at him for going to Cantius since it was "traditional." 9 months ago, I had never even stepped in a Cathedral before. But my Presbyterian church is down the road from Cantius so I spontaneously went to their Latin Novus Ordo the next day. I watched Austin's reaction video on the way home and had the same thoughts (e.g. being scandalized by the short homily and young kids in the pews). I almost didn't go in because the Latin chanting sounded so cultish and I almost left during the homily because of the incense. But I stayed to the end and the reverence spoke to me. I've gone to Cantius ever since and will be confirmed in 2 weeks!

[@cassidyanderson3722]

Austin and Gavin Ortlund were very important in my conversion to Orthodoxy, Ortlund particularly.

[@jebbush2527]

@@sivad1025How are kids in church scandalizing? I can get the short homily being odd to someone who isn’t fully aware of Eucharistic theology and is used to the sermon being the focus

[@richvestal767]

That's basically the gist that most protestants that I've encountered suggest when they say something like "just sit down and read the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you." I always like to reply to that with, "yeah, I did that already and I'm Catholic...so now what?"

[@sivad1025]

I was anti-Catholic 10 months ago but will be confirmed in 2 weeks (Austin and Trent were both pivotal!). And I've had both Catholics and Protestants throughout the year tell me to stop using my brain so much and to let my heart speak. It always made me laugh when a Protestant said that because all I could think was, "You realize my head is the only thing standing in the way of Catholicism, right"? The Protestant church is not even close to beauty of the Catholic Church's art and philosophy and certainly not the reverence. And I've had so many providential signs pointing to the church. All these Protestants who want to "follow your heart" or "follow the spirit" I don't think have ever actually taken thr Catholic church seriously

[@John_Fisher]

That is also how the LDS missionaries tell me that I can know with certainty that that their church and their scriptures are correct. If this is actually the manner that the Holy Spirit acts in when guiding us to all truth, then there's a problem because I can't get get a clear explanation as to why other people believe that the Holy Spirit have lead them with certainty to other churches and entirely different religions.

[@Fassnight]

That's just bad/misguided Protestant advice

[@davidjanbaz7728]

​@@FassnightI agree: because when you don't have the Holy Spirit then other Spirit's can impersonate the Holy Spirit and lead you into false religion: instead of the true relationship to God that you need. You have to repent and accept Christ as your Savior: NOT a church as your Savior: Mormons and Catholics R saying the same thing about their own theology as being the only True church: God gives his Salvation to whom He wishes in response to Repentance and isn't limited to a particular church.

[@2righthands816]

@@davidjanbaz7728And how do you know all that? How do you define 'church'? How do you define 'repentance'? What you're doing here is you're trying to push your own theology yet you're basing other religions for doing exactly the same!

[@spiderdxn2263]

Trent, these dialogue videos are excellent. It's so great to see Catholic content that isn't debate or "own the Protestants "stuff.

[@thepiouspapist]

Facts but his debates and rebuttals are *chefs kiss*

[@cydra_infinity1423]

I like the debates more tbh.

[@spiderdxn2263]

@@thepiouspapist oh they are awesome, for sure. It's just nice to see some more relaxed content, as so many apologists stick with debates, or end up doing long form Joe Rogan stuff.

[@thepiouspapist]

@@spiderdxn2263 100% I do like the mix up of content!

[@MirkoCav]

I remember watching Gavin Ortlund, Austin, Cooper and slowly starting to watch Trent and the other brothers and not knowing what to do. It was that "in a gap" situation where you dont fit into any tradition. Rlly a challenging place to be. Thats around a yr ago. I remember stumbling over Austins video, where he is touring a catholic church and being guided by a friendly priest. I was so amazed by the beauty and the depth in the catholic faith, that i couldnt resist to start seriously thinking about going back to the catholic church after 14/15 years in evangelicalism. A few months later i went to confession and since then im so happy, being in the catholic church and seeing its depth and beauty with a heart, that loves the bible, loves Christ and loves the church. Today im so thankful and happy, that God was carrying me through the dark valley. And i know many viewers are in that same "in between" situation where they can sometimes feel kinda lost. I want to encourage you: keep praying, keep crying, keep holding on to Jesus and he will help you out! Thanks Trent and thanks Austin for your great work. God bless you!

[@wendyhong8528]

Welcome home!

[@roseg1333]

Welcome! We love that you are with us 🥰🫶🏼🕊️🙏🏼✝️

[@Real_LiamOBryan]

I love that you are talking to non-Catholics on video.

[@davido3026]

To non Christians!

[@Seanain_O_hEarchai]

@@davido3026 even by our own standards they’re Christian. They’re just in an imperfect communion with the Body

[@Wilkins325]

@@davido3026 Objectively false according to our Catechism.

[@husq48]

​@@davido3026Rad Trad alert!

[@JamesMartinelli-jr9mh]

heretics

[@universelt4113]

Keep up the good work Trent, love from South Korea 🇰🇷

[@luizfilipecouto1030]

2027

[@lonelyberg1808]

​@@luizfilipecouto1030World youth day ?

[@enshala6401]

그리스도 안의 친구여, 안녕하세요!

[@sampence484]

Protestant here. Appreciate all of your videos Trent. It's helped me overcome some of the anti Catholic bias I was taught as a kid. It's pretty clear to me that Catholics and Protestants are ultimately two sides of the same coin. Meaning that at our core and to overly simplify things, we love Jesus and can't wait to get to Heaven to be with Him. There's obviously some discrepancy in the exact way we get there but I think we are all going. I know many here might disagree with me and that's ok. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters and cannot wait to meet all of you in Heaven!

[@bluecomb5376]

Trent! I love your mission of dialoging with protestants. Austin is wonderful. I would love to see Matt Whitman and Ruslan on your channel as well!

[@KevinOfClay]

I'll second Matt Whitman

[@robertotapia8086]

Agree AMEN @Matt Whitman , @Ruslan & @Gavin Ortlund please 🙏🏼 there willing to listen. Robert from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷

[@ParksLover]

I'd love to see both of those too.

[@randumgaming]

@@KevinOfClay Matt is great, I completely agree.

[@bluecomb5376]

Oh! And Anna from @MerelyChristian would be excellent to talk to as well.

[@davido3026]

The Holy Spirit dwells in the catholic church since 33AD and guides her to all truth!

[@Sirach144]

Then why does it keep changing ?

[@stellar6072]

I pray you repent

[@Spiritof76Catholic]

Logically Jesus Christ created a visible, hierarchical, one, holy, catholic and apostolic church and he is the head of the body, the church. The church is also Christs bride. One body. One bride. Jesus also called for unity in John 17 in his church. Jesus promised in John14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. And Jesus added to His promise, John16:13 But when the Spirit of truth comes, he will lead you into all truth. He will not speak his own words, but he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is to come. Then the inspired author wrote in 1Tim3:15 if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth. Jesus created and has maintained his Catholic Church for two millennia, Mat28: 18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

[@Knight-of-the-Immaculata]

@@stellar6072He does. So do I. We have Christ’s instituted beautiful sacrament of reconciliation. As a Prot you missed out. One of the many costs of your protest.

[@Knight-of-the-Immaculata]

@@Sirach144Large and in charge since 33AD. Unlike the tens of thousands of Prot denominations

[@SurrenderNovena]

I attended Protestant churches in my youth and really loved the friendliness and community, which was non-existent at my Catholic parish, but every time I thought about definitively leaving Catholicism, I just couldn't cut off Mary and the saints. Even though I wasn't paying much attention to my "Mama" and "relatives" I just couldn't turn my back and leave them. That's one of the most important aspects of Catholicism to me: it's a family: a Father, older Brother, Mother, and so many siblings and cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents and and and...!!!

[@mitchellscott1843]

Second this perspective!

[@Ben-hn4nw]

Real question - what does it mean for you to "cut off" Mary and the saints? They're still your brothers and sisters in heaven (Mary isn't your mother but still). Maybe it's more important to find community on earth among those currently living in faith than holding on to a relationship with those who you can't commune with now but will later? Jesus wants you to live for Him, and you can't do that unless you are among an actual family of believers, not an institution with no real soul.

[@Sirach144]

When Christian Rome took over pagan Rome. They replaced a lot of the pagan traditions with Christian traditions. For example, they had a matriarchal goddess and all of the gods that were under them. That was replaced with Mary and the Saints.

[@simonslater9024]

You have the holy Catholic Church. You have 48,000 protestant CULTS

[@Sirach144]

@@simonslater9024 cults follow leaders and obey whatever they say. Hmmm who is the Pope of the Protestants? And also sweetie you need to read. There aren’t 48K denominations. And you have just as many splinters of Catholics and orthodox believers. Just because you agree in unison to a group or view doesn’t make it wrong. Try again honey.

[@DaedalusProject]

Nice I’m so pumped for inter-Christian dialogue, it was definitely a helpful resource for my conversion to Catholicism

[@catkat740]

I love Austin! This is such a wonderful example of how an interdenominational dialogue should occur.

[@davido3026]

Catholicism is the Christian faith, not a denomination!!!

[@mayorhammondsmustache9551]

as an occasional popper in, catholic curious, these conversations are great. much preferred to debates or trying to score points. please keep it up.

[@notavailable4891]

Looking forward to this, Austin is good people.

[@notazazel]

Dialogue with younger KZbinrs is such a great idea, thanks for sharing these discussions ❤️

[@pothecary]

Wonderful conversation. Love from 🇿🇦

[@garnerb.3321]

I really appreciate you doing these dialogs with these young guys like Gospel Simplicity and Redeemed Zoomer, and having a very noncombative and gentle spirit while you do it. You love to see it.

[@catholicconvert2119]

Trent has been praying more recently

[@alissarehmert2502]

I love this! What a beautiful dialogue. I am a recent convert (will be confirmed this Easter). I am so thankful for all that you do, Trent. It has been a great help for me as I have considered many of the questions Austin has. :)

[@patriciajohnson1894]

God bless your journey

[@Burberryharry]

Guys I’ve been stuck and so ocd over catholic Protestant issues that it’s starting to consume my life. I think people need to start making content about this.

[@toddvoss52]

I suggest you “fast” from that for a few weeks and focus on daily prayer and Bible reading with just enabling you to have a closer walk with Jesus each day. And then come back to this stuff trusting the Lord is with you

[@BohemianPaul]

I like the discussion format. I hope this continues.

[@bluecomb5376]

Agreed. The in-person conversation makes a big difference I think

[@EmmaBerger-ov9ni]

As a protestant who's not so sure about Sola Scriptura anymore I found that dialogue very interesting. Could you speak more on how Catholics interpret the Bible and the history of Bible interpretation? Thanks

[@justforrfunnn]

Thanks Trent and Austin! I enjoyed this conversation

[@chrismorin6740]

Hi guys - moderate high-church Anglican here, and I love watching this kind of interview.

[@youtubeKathy]

it is always refreshing to see Austin. It gets exhausting listening to christian KZbinrs that you otherwise enjoy talk about Catholicism like it's a disease.

[@davido3026]

Catholics are the first Christians, the others protest against Christ and his church!!

[@jonatasmachado7217]

Excellent conversation!

[@vinztot4694]

I love listening to Trent❤

[@hfritz82]

Really appreciate Austin. We cradle Catholics gain so much from hearing the insights of open minded Protestants, and i thank God for all those Protestant pastors such as Hahn, Bergsma, etc who entered the Church and have brought their love of the Bible to Catholic catechesis and scholarship.

[@newglof9558]

Austin is great. Good chat

[@anthonym.7653]

Awesome to see two Christians sit down and respectfully talk shop.

[@Tricorncitizen]

I like this format a lot

[@roadtriptohealth6986]

Thanks to both of you. I really like Austin’s heart and the way he communicates. He describes our thoughts as well as we are from the Protestant church and struggling with some of what Austin mentions. Trent, I liked hearing you in this setting. You were much more gracious in your discussion with Austin and I think this is a much better way for Catholics and Protestants to talk to one another - with kindness. This is one of my favorite videos. Thanks to both of you.

[@CourtneyRoberts-bw3gj]

This conversation was wonderful. Although it didn’t clear up some of my questions, it did help to settle my mind and heart about not having to “know” all the answers. Thank you both for what you do. ❤

[@phizzyglitterswirl9251]

You do great work Trent. Don’t worry about the studio. In my humble view I would watch even if you sat on folding chairs with a white background and a small sign saying “forgoing fancy studio to give alms.” or “small studio, big heart.” 😊. But if you really feel you need one.

[@timboslice980]

Where i live, Protestants are definitely the vast majority. It’s painful how ignorant everyone around me is of church history. Almost all my friends and have family have tried to save me from the pagan religion ive been lost to. Theyve just never really been pushed on theology at all and have made it a personal mission to ignore any historical information. I have lots of pastors and lay speakers in my family, they all think the king james bible fell from heaven in all it’s 66 book glory. The problem is when they come at me it’s like i use history, scripture, and logic and they think satan is playing a trick on both of us. They incredibly nonsensical things, they say things like “jesus didnt come here to start a religion, all christians are the true church, just not these” and then proceed to list every denomination they can think of from amish to zionists. It really sucks that the most ignorant sects of Christianity where i live, are the default just by majority.

[@TheZealotsDen]

I'm finding continuously using John 6 the bread of life discourse to show Jesus rejecting believes who didn't accept the teaching, and also acts, mostly the whole of acts but specifically chapter 1 to show apostolic succession.

[@tomlabooks3263]

Yes. After seeing car-crashes like the atheist channel “Mindshift”, I completely agree with you, and see the damages that Protestantism can do on people who don’t have a solid cultural background.

[@timboslice980]

@@TheZealotsDen My best friend has probably been catholic answers, they have a playlist on youtube of short videos with a general explanation of almost every conceivable topic related to the faith. They have articles to match on their website and i have found them to be very helpful. I get angry and frustrated with using a sola scriptura style defense though. They ask me for bible passages, i give them the passage, then they change topics and want to know where this or that is in the bible. I work my butt off to show them again and again. They just get mad at me and cease conversation. Literally, it’s ended friendships and familial relationships just showing them the verses. As i said, many of them are pastors and they take their status as an authority for interpretation. They say things like “ive been leading a flock for decades! Ive never seen someone say the woman in revelation is MARY!” I know he’s totally ignorant of history or cultures outside our own. Its hard to debate without offending them. I really see why Jesus didnt even convince all of his family of the truth. People’s traditions get ingrained

[@TheZealotsDen]

Oh sola scriptura, my favorite, the self refuting doctrine haha. Nowhere in the bible does it say it HAS to be said in the bible. They are crazy just stay for them and know I'm having the same interactions brother

[@timboslice980]

@@TheZealotsDen Thanks, nice to know im not alone. I’ve really tried to get them to look into the miracles of the church or the history but they pull an ostrich every time on that.

[@tomgjokaj]

This was absolutely great. God bless you Trent and Austin.

[@YuGiOhDuelChannel]

Loving this Alex O'Conner route with the Channel, having conversations with all various sorts of people, and not just an echo chamber, looking forward to more!

[@jmctigret]

I was agnostic and looking through the ecumenical councils and early fathers I did not see Sola scriptura, Eternal security, Sola fide. Like Trent Horn said I saw more evidence for Catholic claims. I converted to the Catholic Church in 1997.

[@johnyang1420]

Cool!!! I converted in 1996 after a Tim Staples Defending The Faith 6 week seminar.

[@tomasrocha6139]

Did you see Purgatory, Marian dogmas or Papal Infallibility and Supremacy?

[@ntlearning]

I didn’t see it either. But sola fide, I see in the Bible. There are like 10 explicit scriptures. There’s more scriptures on sola fide than Mary’s assumption - which has no scripture at all. And even the earliest church fathers said nothing about Mary’s assumption.

[@AquinasBased]

I don't think there is anything more than a semantic disagreement between protestants and Catholics on sola fide. @@ntlearning

[@ntlearning]

@@AquinasBasedYes I would agree with that.

[@SaintlySaavy]

What a wonderful conversation!

[@bookishbrendan8875]

Austin is such a nice guy! Great for having him on, Trent! (But Trent, if your going to do these Pints with Aquinas-style interviews, please upgrade your camera gear eventually) 😇

[@thepiouspapist]

This is his temporary office, he is upgrading his office space currently. That's what he said on his last video I believe.

[@susand3668]

Personally, I like the stripped-down look! But whatever keeps the audio good, I'll go with it!

[@bookishbrendan8875]

@@thepiouspapist Ah, great!

[@thepiouspapist]

@@bookishbrendan8875 amen.

[@Elf0304]

@@thepiouspapistMy understanding is that it is the permanent office. He just wants to kit it out

[@dr.mofongo9001]

Looking forward to this dialogue. I’ve checked out Austin’s channel in the past, and I recall him looking into Catholicism, which mirrored my experience as well.

[@sunshinelowe]

These dialogue videos are great!

[@PabloMartinez-zv4gp]

I've never met or seen in my 55 years of life (7-8 of those as a hard-core atheist) and 35 years as a devout practicing Catholic by personal conviction, not tradition; such a brilliant mind like this young man so stuck in the paralysis of the analysis. @GospelSimplicity I will pray for God to grant you, and me, with the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit each morning I pray the Rosary. May God guide your journey to the fullness of the truth!! 🙏🏼

[@samigraser3649]

I am loving the dialogues between you and various Protestants! I’m not brainy enough to always understand what is happening in your debates. So these are great!

[@bmgmusa07]

I love Austins curiosity. Its great to read about other churches and traditions. I also learn from many ex-Orthodox and ex-Catholics in my Church.

[@luistecun86]

I love your channel, thanks for everything you do for our Catholic church. 🙏🙏❤️❤️

[@kasiaseubert]

This was a great conversation Trent!

[@susand3668]

Yay! Glad to see you, Austin! Thank you, Trent! Excellent discussion!

[@loulasher]

My favorite video on the Gospel Simplicity channel is the interview he did with Dr Eugenia Constantineau (which I'n probably spelling wrong). I think it's titled "Think You Know What Happened at the Crucifixion?". Thanks for this dialogue. May God reunite his Church into one body and to His will. (edited for spelling & other reasons)

[@azwheezus]

Absolutely love these conversational type videos! Looking forward to more!

[@trevorhanlin4247]

Love both you guys!

[@SevereFamine]

This was a very thoughtful and thought-provoking discussion! God bless you both.

[@AnAmericanlinguist]

It felt like Trent was shadowboxing multiple different Protestants in this conversation. I think maybe diving deeper into fewer questions/arguments could be a more interesting approach then bringing so much to the table from your prior discussions. Thank you for having these talks though, I love the channel and thinking through the different points of view. God bless

[@emilycahow]

You are both awesome. Thank you!

[@elijahgrubb3975]

Trent, in this video you're basically describing my christianity prior to converting to Catholicism. I was a non innerantist self described protestant, who held to the nicene creed, not because I was convinced by every point Scripturally, but simply because I didn't think you could have christianity without it.

[@glencoelho8242]

Stimulating conversation. These dialogues are more enriching and thought provoking.

[@therese_paula]

God bless you! May God draw you to Him...

[@johanvandersandt8904]

Fascinating debate! Well done gentleman!

[@ThoseTwoPriests]

Love these two together! Just brilliant!

[@dynamic9016]

Really appreciate this discussion.

[@colour81]

So interesting, I needed this 🙏, I believe conversations like this can unify us as Christians. My thoughts for those considering Catholism : if you establish that it's foundation and its fruits (evidence, moral teachings, saints etc.) are true, then jump in. Doubts are not the opposite of faith, denial is. You don't have to 100% all the time be convinced of every dogma, you just have to "not deny them". Faith & doubt can go together, hence why we need grace. The time is coming when "we shall be like HE is" and hence "see things perfectly"

[@TJslay6]

Great convo 😊

[@leojmullins]

Two interesting, intelligent, and educated men discussing the most important issues of our age. Thank you.

[@johnnychikko3800]

Wonderful conversation

[@fcatulo]

7:19 this is unironically why there needs to be some sort of imprimatur for those who speak about the catholic faith online

[@TheThreatenedSwan]

Democracy has some severe drawbacks

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

Catholics have always had the freedom to share their ideas. Be it through books, articles, or now with the internet. There has never been the need to put an imprimatur over EVERYTHING. What we need is to understand the difference between the Church's authority (Bishops in union with the Bishop of Rome) and the rest of us. Only the Bishops (in union with the Bishop of Rome) have AUTHORITY, the rest of us can though share our opinions freely.

[@fcatulo]

@@GustavoAndresHerrera even if it were the case that we were always free to share our ideas (which it isn’t, nor should it be), there are influential laypeople with a reach beyond anything the church has seen before who act with de facto authority. when you have laypeople with a reach not ever seen before sowing dissent and schism, and undermining the Church's authority, She must reassert the authority granted to Her by Christ. all informal authorities must me formalized in one direction or another, either by affirmation or denial of authority. it doesn't have to be a literal imprimatur. there are analogous mechanisms in place already, they should just be expanded to include individuals.

[@GustavoAndresHerrera]

​@@fcatulo I understand your point, but I think where we disagree is that I don't see Matt Frad, or Trent Horn as "authorities", nor I see them claiming any authority. Perhaps if we use the word "influence" that'd bring us closer? It has always been the case that you have authors having influence over society at large (think Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, etc.) without imprimatur. To re-iterate: "authority" needs imprimatur, but "influence" does not.

[@fcatulo]

@@GustavoAndresHerrera yes, I think influence accurately describes it. And they don’t claim authority but they have some de facto authority due to them being influential. The thing is that while there have been influential laypeople in the past, the technological limitations of their times made it hard for them to do a lot of damage in a short period of time in the way that social media allows today. Imprimatur began in response to the printing press. We are at another revolution in the means of communication, probably as big as the printing press. And just like back then, the Church ought to respond accordingly.

[@DonDraperism]

As a Catholic I have watched Austin. So glad you had him on your show. Good man.

[@creativeeverydaylife]

Thank you - it was very helpful - God bless 🙏

[@MsJulesofCalifornia]

This episode could have been so much longer!! ❤

[@BlankPaperFilms]

A lot of good collaborations lately!

[@davido3026]

Whoever comes to debate, we always benefit to cement and solidify our true Christian faith! Thank you, Trent!!!

[@Martin4Mary4Ever]

I love this dude and how he talks

[@raymk]

Fantastic conversation! Looking forward to the fancy studio

[@countryboyred]

Great convo

[@tombotting3345]

Trent, I'm Catholic and really enjoy your dialogue videos. Can you have Matt Whitman on as a guest?

[@bluecomb5376]

Trent, you raised very good points. I love the Exodus/Assumption question! I loved your enthusiasm. I hope many bring this to prayer.

[@benjaminshirley]

Great conversation 😁

[@chriscarr3339]

Great discussion ! Appreciate the respect for each other. I’d summarize it by authority. Individual authority or church authority

[@alpha4IV]

I'd love for you to have a discussion like this with Dan McCellen, or Dr Joshua Bowen. A non-combative dialogue with a popular well credentialed "secular" scholar (not an apologist).

[@israelalexandroheredia6879]

I think it would’ve been interesting to bring up Marcion of Sinope who held mostly only to the Pauline Epistles. I think Protestants would have a hard time condemning him.

[@jackieo8693]

I'm finding some protestants are only quoting Paul! Even giving his letters primacy over the words of Jesus!

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

Marcion's Canon featured an early shorter version of Luke (without the infancy story) and the Pauline Epistles. No Old Testament books at all. It's funny, but once we start reading the writings of early Church Fathers ("Patristics"), biblical Canonicity becomes a boring topic. FWIW, I'm not "against" the OT or the NT canon. There's just additional important works to study alongside canonical books. The limits of translation is just as big a problem as Canonicity. @@jackieo8693

[@Ben-hn4nw]

@@jackieo8693Obviously Marcion was a heretic - you can't have the story of Christ without the Hebrew scriptures. As a baptist studying theology at a protestant-based Bible school.

[@jmferris542]

At 38:00, the Protestant response would definitely *not* be, "Sure you can believe that the Exodus is a myth." (I am assuming Trent is not talking about progressive Protestants, in which case there would be many such myths in the Bible) The point is that the difference between the bar for historical evidence for the Exodus vs for the Assumption is that Scripture clearly and factually lays out the Exodus, but the Assumption developed through centuries of practice and is supported in Scripture only by typology. Therefore, the burden of historical proof is much higher for the Assumption. Typology is an excellent biblical hermeneutic to illustrate and deepen understanding of doctrines that are clearly defined elsewhere in the Bible. We shouldn't base doctrine on typology alone or on devotional practice alone - and certainly not then require it as Dogma. Typology without a clear biblical foundation is like icing without any cake.

[@GymMatty]

Trent you should do a video describing the different levels from level 0 to whatever level you can imagine for what I’m assuming are the most traditional Catholics. I think it would be interesting to explore.

[@soteriology400]

I have diligently studied the scriptures and church history. There was definitely a rewrite of history to centralize power around Rome.

[@thepalegalilean]

Citation, please.

[@catholicconvert2119]

I did the same and I discovered the opposite, there was a rewrite by Northern European princes and their paid propagandists to misrepresent Christianity in the 1500s to provide them an excuse to loot the church property

[@catholicguy1073]

Thanks for having Austin on. I have followed him since the beginning of his YT videos. You before that, but don’t tell him 😂😂😂😂. Anyway awesome interview

[@lesmen4]

Both of you are an absolute pleasure .

[@RansomedSoulPsalm49-15]

great discussion lads. Glory to God

[@thepentacostalchatholicconvert]

So good video!👍🏼

[@sharondavidson7412]

I really like Austin. He is a wonderful person.

[@kirstenfondren9226]

He helped me convert 😂❤

[@jgdn-ow5mh]

Our Protestant is wearing a prayer rope bracelet if I’m seeing this correctly on the screen 😂

[@carsonianthegreat4672]

Trent, I’m not sure that the Dormition of Mary is up for debate. It’s certainly not infallibly taught, but it does appear to be the perennial teaching of the Church in both the East and the West. I don’t think Catholics are free to publicly dissent from it, even if it doesn’t quite rise to the level of demanding religious submission of intellect and will. Am I way off the mark here? Great video by the way!

[@jimbarnes8706]

I enjoyed the conversation, but I would have like to hear Austin have had more of a chance to speak. He continually was cut off.

[@robertoriosorozco9205]

Trenttt, you didn’t let him talk, bro!

[@elKarlo]

That’s very interesting thank you for that video guys. I think I agree with both you guys. Catholicism and orthodoxy have more hurdles going in but as Trent said Protestantism has more hurdles keeping you from staying in. The Inerrancy of the Bible and such are things that can make a believer walk away from Christianity all together.

[@paulv3968]

Bummed that Trent didn't get into the Eucharist at all. I'm a big fan of GS, he's just a cool dude and his videos are pleasant to watch due to his humility and kindness. I would've liked to hear GS's thoughts on the Body and Blood of Christ.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

I'm a simple man, I see a new Trent podcast, I like the video.

[@HeavnzMiHome]

The fact that the Church recognizes the valid baptisms of other believers makes me think God has his own reasons for allowing these divisions at this time. Follow Jesus where and when he leads. Inform your conscience and follow truth as you understand it.

[@grond21]

Sometimes it is really hard to follow Trent because his brain gets ahead of his mouth and he keeps starting sentences and then jumping to the next idea before he finishes his sentence. Several times he did this multiple times in a row such that I had no idea what he was originally trying to say

[@j.sargenthill9773]

I think it's a bit disenfranchising to suggest a person who believes in God, who knows Jesus, and who reads the Bible with their own congregation is "not interested in truth" because they don't engage in these theological dialogues about peripheral dogma. You are in danger of disqualifying a lot of people simply for being simpler than you. Isn't that like preventing children from coming to Jesus? Isn't that a discredit to the miracle of faith, to say yours is more valid because you have studied to show yourself approved? I'm glad you have confidence, but the gate is already narrow and the way hard to find, don't make it even harder for people that will be in heaven forever with you.