WARCO WM180 Motor failure and removal

[@billofalltrades2633]

My 8 x 16 MX 210 v mini lathe is the same setup as your lathe, slight difrences. I'm glad to have been watching your channel for so long. It's a big help for me to tear it down. I just recently got it. Thanks for your time and videos!

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

A big thumbs up to Warco for the excellent customer service. Looking forward to seeing you back up and running. Enjoy the holiday.

[@goc899]

Had to do this yesterday. brushes needed replacing. Even though it's straight forward to do, it was comforting to see how it should be done. Puts the mind at ease. I always worry I might miss something. And I must say, Warco have excellent customer support. Long time fan Ade, got a WM16B Mill to be able to keep up with you. :) Keep up the good work.

[@johnjackson5465]

im thinking i need new brushes what was cost of these from warco?. mine just stopped. when i wanted to use it again. I knew motor was slowing a bit working it hard. but this 750 w motor sounds good if it fits speed controller also.

[@incubatork]

Hi Ade although fixed now, sorry fiir your losses, When I decided to buy a small lathe I started off looking to see what was available then checked the forums for possible design, and common faults. The burnt out dc motor was one of the most popular faults I found in both the variable speed lathes and milling machines, so I decided to go for a geared lathe and got the HBM 250g, 2 other friends bought variable speed lathes the same week, both have had problems with the dc motors, mine touch wood is still working fine. When I bought my milling machine with this in mind I got the very same mill as you but in hbm colours that has an AC brushless motor in it, very quiet and a lot smoother than the dc motor in the lathe.

[@davidfrancis8761]

Hi, just found your channel and watched the batch brass nuts, good ideas there with the jig. I have the Warco 280V with the WM16 milling head as an attachment to the lathe, sort of lathe and mill all in one, which gives me a two axis power fed table. I also added a hand wheel to the end of the lead screw which gives me much finer lateral feed that the traverse handle can (I find it very difficult to set my compound dead true to the axis of the spindle due to it's design). Re. the kettle failure, etc., I lived just north of Cardigan for many years and had similar problems, so were my neighbours. I measured the mains voltage with a good quality meter and found it to be around 260v, which is over the tolerance limit for the UK mains supply of 230v +-10%. I called in Western Power Distribution who installed their own sealed recorder that agreed with my findings. They then replaced the local transformer on the pole near my house which brought the voltage within specification, no more problems after that. Just a thought.

[@RetroSteamTech]

Thanks so much for this video Ade, I've just done the same thing to my WM 180 😢

[@club8040]

me too, how much did a new motor cost you? cheers

[@RetroSteamTech]

@@club8040 The replacement cost £143 which included shipping. That was in July 2020.

[@shaunadams2143]

hi Adrian warco do have a good reputation. When things go wrong it's how you're treated that's important . They seem to be very helpful . Let's hope it was a duff motor . Maybe like you said a thermal overload would be a good idea . Hope you get the new motor soon thanks for sharing best regards Shaun

[@mrmyford]

big thumbs up from me, warco are very good, when I purchased my warco vmc milling machine, had a few issues and the problems were sorted straight away, they sent me a can of warco green paint and a new handwheel as the chrome was in bad condition if I was to buy another lathe or milling machine, I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from them 100% service from warco regards...keith mr myford swindon

[@ade63dug]

i had a great service when my motor failed , can praise them enough.

[@2WHEELSor2WINGS]

Bad luck Ade, hope all sorted soon. Very handy video as I have a similar set up. Was having a fry up just be for watching, think I ate some funny mushroom as mid video my vision went all funny? 😎

[@ade63dug]

more than two years ago now and been fine since . video's have improved since the early days. cheers Ade.

[@cossiedriverrs]

Noticed my Warco WM14 mill motor ran hot. Fitted a fan, and now it needs an overcoat :-) Motor OK after three years, and it is a 240V 500W dc brushed motor, similar to yours.

[@williamhowells1615]

ADD A COOLING FAN I burnt the 1100w motor out in my Warco WM18 milling machine for the second time. First time I burnt it out I was able to repair the damage, second time it was terminal. Unable to get a replacement without a long wait I replaced it with a more powerful ( 220/240 dc 1800w 8 amp 2.5 hp) motor that came out of a powered treadmill ( lots of these on ebay). It took a bit of modification to get it to fit, but it was worth the effort. I also added a bathroom extractor fan as a cooling fan which I set up to run continually whenever the machine is used. The fan blows through the top of the motor and exits through a ventilated motor mount that was part of the modification. The power supply of the machine seems to cope with the upgrade without issue. Adding the cooling fan would probably have prevented the burn out in the first place. Hope this is of help.

[@davehuxley6689]

Thank you Ade another great informative video.

[@marklawson3859]

I’m sorry to see you are having problems with your motor, unfortunately these motors are notorious for failing, I have a mill that has the same motor to date I have gone through x3 the mill is used very little and is just over 3 years old now the first motor failed after only 4 months of light use.

[@stephencutajar2548]

Similar lathes that have the option of the 750w AC brushless motors also have a variable frequency drive controller so these will not work with your existing speed control. DC motor controllers vary the voltage while AC brushless controllers vary the frequency.

[@garybrown5500]

Well done to Warco. I had to wait 3 months for a 32 tooth gear for my Machine mart CL500M (and I was paying good money for it!). Will check out Warco for my next machine.

[@SodiumInteresting]

3 months yikes

[@MachiningwithJoe]

Hi ade me again. My warco wm180 motor has packed up. Overheated I think. have you done any modifications to prevent yours going again ?

[@hopefuldave]

A good move is adding an external fan on the motor blowing into the brush end - a PC fan or similar can be run from a "wall wart" plug-in supply, it will keep some airflow through the motor and reduce overheating at low speeds when the internal fan hardly moves any air, the shorting motor often kills the speed control board as it goes over-current - another Good Thing is a fuse between e.g. A+ on the control board and the motor (probably have to go between the board and the F/off/R rotary switch.

[@jamesbennet3937]

The problem is turning at low speed. The motor relies on a part inside turning to keep it cool, like a fan. This turns at the speed the motor is turning at. So at low speed it gets hot. It could do with a separate fan.

[@theyorkshirelad.]

hi ade whats your opinion for a first time lathe buyer are the warco 180 a good one i was hoping to get few years from a £1000 lathe whats your opinion

[@ade63dug]

the replacement motor has been fine since this mishap . get a used myford and fix it up if needed , it will last forever if you have the room for one . Cheers Ade.

[@theyorkshirelad.]

@@ade63dug ive been looking at a few but there £1100 do look good but are they worth money and will i get spares

[@ade63dug]

@@theyorkshirelad. you can still get all myford parts , a machine for life if looked after .

[@theyorkshirelad.]

@@ade63dug so you dont think i should get a warco 180

[@petefletcher]

I've just been through this with my 180. Unfortunately it took out the PCB as well. In my case it was Delrin swarf that got into the motor and I've found out how! If you feel under the back of the ways behind the chuck you'll find there's a gap that goes clear through to where the motor is housed. I'd been tuning some very fine cuts in Delrin and the swarf had dropped through to the motor and got sucked in by the motor fan. Warco were very quick with replacements but the machine is well out of warranty so I had to cough up. Needless to say, that gap has been filled in! I notice your rear splash guard is different to mine so perhaps this problem has been addressed? As regards the motor getting hot; yes it does. I'm thinking of installing a small fan.

[@ade63dug]

Yes . i moved the rear swarf tray back a long way and it was fitted closely . no problems since thankfully . if the motor go'es again it will be VFD time . it think this would be a massive improvement to the lathe and especially low end torque . Cheers Ade.

[@SodiumInteresting]

@@ade63dug I hear vfd is good at combatting acumalative resonant chatter though I guess you will know that

[@denniswilliams8747]

Consider different pulleys and belt to get a lower ration, motor spins faster for a given spindle speed. I found a pulley set for my chinese mini. Amp meter on motor? External fan? Good vids Thanks

[@SodiumInteresting]

Hello Ade, I have one of these wm180 lathes and I'm a fan of your channel. Did you find out any more about a brushless conversion? I had this exact thing happen to me last week motor just burned out. Warco say they won't have a replacement motor in stock to give me for several weeks. I suspect a brushless motor will want its own driver and speed controller that's why I'm hesitant to go into that without knowing whats involved. Thanks also the back of the motor on mine didnt just come off. I removed the brushes and the 2 long retaining screws but it remained attached to the shaft via a bearing fit I'm guessing. I didnt get to fully inspect the motor to see if it was salvageable but I blew compressed air inside and put it back together with new brushes and it still won't run...

[@ade63dug]

Hi Thomas . It seems a long time ago that it happened to me now. I have had no issues since fitting the direct replacement motor , however, If mine were to go again I would probably go with a 1hp 3phase motor and an inverter. You are correct that the brushless type uses a different driver. Hope this helps. Cheers Ade.

[@SodiumInteresting]

@@ade63dug thanks Ade, appreciate the responce and yes 3 phase is what you want, no more binding with the parting tool 😅

[@Wisdomseeker333]

Hi Ade, I have a 750w brushed motor going if you are interested, it came out of a vevor mx750...

[@AGEngineering]

Hello Ade, well done on the video's so far, I'll be catching up, just found your channel. Pity about the lathe, I'm sure you'll be up and running in no time. Best wishes, from another Ade.

[@ade63dug]

it is all fixed now new motor fitted , happy days . welcome to Ades workshop . from one ade to another

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

I know this was a year ago so I'm a bit late. I had some similar problems with electrical appliances many years back. I checked the electrical supply and found a low voltage problem. The power company had to do some work on the lines to get the voltage up to specifications.

[@jamesbarratt593]

So with the new motor are you happy with the machine?

[@Orgakoyd]

I have a 2.2kw 3 phase 1500 rpm motor I wanna put on my bench lathe with a VFD. I'd be able to run it at 25% rated speed (375 rpm) and still have 550 watts of power theoretically. Big motors are always more forgiving when you slow them down.

[@schummiehugo]

hello mister ades. i look the movie.. en i tink i so somting.(( in the engine thars a fan in it....so i was tinking ))))) ant de backpleate thers no hole,s in ther.. so the airflow is gone... i you got it what i maen ! is it posible you can hang the engine 6 mm of the back pleate.??? for airflow ???? or dril hole,s in the backpleate ????? gr hugo feb 2018... old story batt run the new engine good ???

[@ade63dug]

i think i understand what you are saying , i am being more carefull with the new motor. if it fails again i have a plan to get a variable frequency drive intalled . i hope i do not need to do it , but if it does happen that is the way i will go , Cheers Ade

[@schummiehugo]

i haf the hbm vario 180 lathe.. new.. so ewri movie i cant find of the story of it... is welkom.. not i am a new gay in metal batt i lurn somting from the metal gays. alu is a soft material so its need a lot off horses !!! gr

[@gillian9178]

Sorry to hear about your motor set back. I seem to recall you mentioned somewhere that you had trouble using steel cutting tool inserts & had to use inserts for aluminium to cut steel better. What problems did the experience with the steel inserts, was it something like flex/movement in the lathe due to more contact pressure required on the tool against the work piece with a steel type insert. I have found on some smaller lathes that the more positive angle on the aluminium tool works better on steel stock.

[@ade63dug]

it was only with en8 but yes the more positive angle reduces the tip load , good service from warco did surprise me but no cost repair is always good ,

[@ade63dug]

i have just watched this back and have beaten the challege of a mate to say "uhm" as much as possible. he now owes me a pint

[@gillian9178]

To make things a bit easier on these smaller lathes when parting off, invert the parting tool & run the lathe in reverse. You have to raise the tool up quite a bit to get the tool on the centre of the stock, this method works very well with much reduced chatter & stalling. The normal way of parting pulls the tool into the work piece causing chatter & stalling, running with the inverted tool & in reverse is actually pushing the tool away from the work piece & reduces chatter. You can also get away with parting off at higher speeds with this method.

[@gillian9178]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4O9g6RmpNGmrq-Kideo link

[@ade63dug]

totaly agree , my current toolpost will not allow the height with my parting tool , the new one will, also thinking of a rear mounted parting post , let us see,

[@gillian9178]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpLUcnVjq7iJlc2Gear inverted parting tool with lathe running forward direction.

[@kickpublishing]

Shocking that such an expesive machine should fail like that with light home hobby usage

[@jrgenneess762]

I have ordred a milling machine to attach on the bed of my 250v clone, I hope the motor last longer. I live in Denmark

[@ronaldphillips5481]

ADES WORKSHOP. Could you maybe fit a different motor with a bit of jiggling to make it fit? The motor doesn't seem to be very reliable. Cael diwrnod da Ade.

[@ade63dug]

The replacement was under warranty and has been ok for 5 months now . i have stopped parting off 70mm diameter aluminium though . if i have future problems i will be fitting a 3 phase and inverter set up probably . Cheers Ade.

[@ronaldphillips5481]

ADES WORKSHOP Shure Ade that would be the ultimate idea.

[@lensman5762]

Surprised that these motors do not have a thrmal protection switch built in.

[@sparkiekosten5902]

Near the middle of the video it looks like a bad Dr Who episode from years back! All jokes aside you should be drinking TEA! not coffee.

[@haroldpearson6025]

Get a decent designed machine such as a Myford ML10 that has a back gear for powerful low speed jobs. These machines are of high quality, available in very good used condition often for less than the cost of a new 180.

[@dandare2586]

I think almost every youtuber with this lathe has had a burned out motor, not a good advert for Warco!!!

[@parpasalex4272]

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