FULGRIM: PRIDE BEFORE THE FALL | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@OtaconGamer777]

'And how has he insulted you?’ ‘By comparing me - comparing us - to these… primitives,’ Telmar said, glancing at Thorn, who nodded. Fulgrim frowned. ‘And why should he not?’ Fulgrim looked around, noting the mood of the crowd. They were on the cusp of flight. Telmar’s sudden burst of violence had frightened them, shaken them to their very cores. Stories would spread, flying through the city, and from there, the rest of the continent. Awe would turn to fear. Fear to resentment. And resentment to resistance. He has seen the same story, repeated ad nauseam, on a dozen worlds. Fulgrim had always preferred love to fear. Love was stronger. Fear could be conquered, but love - never. It waned and swelled, but it never truly faded. He had made himself loved on Chemos. And he would do the same here. The primarch sank to one knee and reached down to help Telmar’s victim to his feet. The man stared at him with mingled fright and awe, his mouth working soundlessly. Fulgrim smiled and stood. ‘I came from nothing’ he said, fixing his sons with a steady gaze. ‘I scrabbled in the quarry pits, and down in the deepest mines, carrying buckets on my shoulders because the ascender blew a gasket,’ he said. ‘I broke my fingernails on raw ore, and grew blisters from heat and labour. You look down on them, blind to the beauty of their struggle. Blind to what they might become, if only someone would scrape the filth from their faces.’ He reached down and lifted a child onto his shoulders. The girl laughed and clapped, unafraid of the giant, even as her mother wept. Fulgrim indicated the crowd. His voice had driven many of them to their knees. ‘Look at them, my sons. You are the highest, and they, the lowest. It is your duty to raise them up, as high as they will go. Anything less is not worthy of you.’

[@leentrails5388]

Wow where is this from. Ive never heard of this side if fulgrim. Awesome man

[@beliar7124]

To think how far he has fallen

[@OtaconGamer777]

@@leentrails5388 Fulgrim, The Palatine Pheonix

[@leentrails5388]

@@OtaconGamer777 I see. I will finally read a black library book

[@chocolateskull6239]

Damn, this side of the pursuit of perfection is what really makes the fall so hard.

[@lockhartwalker1431]

Perturabo decimated his legion only once, it was Angron that decimated his legion every time they couldn’t take a planet in time

[@timbackman5915]

36hrs or die!!!

[@karlrichards7188]

Doesn't perturabo just destroy the commanders who fail him I swear he beat one so bad they stuck him in a dreadnought

[@thorncroft9986]

@@karlrichards7188 If I remember correctly he didn't even fail him, just was the bearer of bad news.

[@_NutcasE_]

@@karlrichards7188 When Perturabo gianed his legion he looked at them and said they were not satisfactory and ordered decimation. I'm pretty sure Iron Warrior commanders died on the field when they failed trying, Angron had decimation in his legion everytime they failed to conquer a planet in his very strict timelimit and he beat up and killed most of World Eater(warhound at the time) commanders.

[@lockhartwalker1431]

@@karlrichards7188 that was one time, yes. It was in a book written by John French, a known Imperial Fist fanboy who is notorious for writing the iron warriors and Perturabo very poorly. I would take that with a grain of salt. Perturabo definitely would get rid of commanders that failed him, but there’s no need for them to be killed, one example is that he took Kroger, a standard marine from a tactical squad, and swapped him with a commander that disobeyed orders. 10,000 years later and Kroger is still in the trident, the closest inner circle of Perturabo. (Until he died in storm of iron but we don’t talk about that)

[@YoBen100]

Fulgrim, the Phoenician, and the Illuminator or Sanguinius, the Great Angel and the Brightest One. Both handsome and perfect beings. Slaanesh: "I'll take the purple one. He got my color and mood right."

[@Ghostface2252]

Khorne missed his chance to get Sanguinius.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

I have always enjoyed the difference as described in Fabious's trilogy. Sanguinius was ethereal and angelic in his beauty. Fulgrim was human beauty and flawless in his human perfection.

[@rayvg7709]

Except that both Khorne and Slaanesh want the sons of the Angel, but they both will be denied.

[@pcgordon3360]

can i put this on a mug?

[@rizalalbar]

i heard that slaanesh first choice was Jagathai Khan

[@latayantheazran]

Ferrus Manus, meaning Iron Hand, is the leader of the Iron Hands, has two hands of iron and his ship is called the Iron Fist

[@anexistanthuman2435]

That’s the most interesting thing about him

[@QixTheDS]

Subtlety.

[@cousinzeke4888]

And his sons replace their meat hands with iron hands to try and come closer to Iron Hands.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

Warhammer main weakness is subtly

[@eduardodiaz9942]

He was a Motörhead fan, I see

[@quentenpenney7578]

I just love the fact that Fulgrim was the one who taught Konrad how to read and write

[@aguspuig6615]

wait did he? i knew he mentored him for a while but im not sure of he taught him to read

[@KeyfurDragon]

Shame he didn’t teach Dorn how to read, huh? XD

[@JudgeNicodemus]

I'm just happy he never introduced him to poetry. Imagine Connie Curze torturing people with Vogon poetry.

[@sakuraoni6919]

@@KeyfurDragon how dare you, dorn can read, books are very nutritious

[@KeyfurDragon]

@@sakuraoni6919 - Those nutritious lewd hentai books placed there by the Iron Warriors

[@exzyyd392]

"You named us Emperor's Children but we are going to be doing the least because we are so small. We are just little guys. Father, we are just a couple little guys"

[@GambeTama]

Something I just wanted to bring up regarding the Fulgrim clone Fabius made: There are three Primarch clones made by the mad doctor that amounted to anything: Angron,Horus, and Fulgrim. The Horus and Angron clones lacked something that resulted in them not being able to achieve their full potential, hence losing the duel to Abaddon, and dying soon after awakening, respectively. This was figured to be the "Primarch Soul," likely some kind of unique warp jargon that makes the sons of the Emperor so special. Horus' alt-F4 execution meant that his was just gone, and Angron's is currently in use, so no clone of them would ever achieve that level of greatness. The Fulgrim clone, on the other hand, was confirmed to be a complete package. Notably, when Trazyn met with Fabius for the deal, they were also met with by some of the Emperor's Children, which activates(?) the Fulgrim clone - who was up until then rather docile and obedient. When he calls out to his sons, they stop, feeling a force touch down to their very geneseed, and even Fabius himself is strongly hesitant to do anything, but manages to force himself to give the clone over to the Necron Lord. This has led to a big chunk of fans speculating why this is the case. The running hypothesis is that Fulgrim had a moment of epiphany after something happened to him (take your pick) and becomes sorely disillusioned with the state of himself and his legion under Slaanesh. He then uses his familiarity with soul arts to eject his own Primarch Soul from his body, where it found its way into Fabius' clone. This would mean that there are 2 Fulgrims: the Mind and (snake) Body being piloted by the demon in his sword once more, and the Clone, which is clean, and posessed the memories and soul of the true Fulgrim. I think that this would make for a rather interesting twist on the 40K lore loop, since people are desperately waiting for the return of the next Loyalist Primarch. So I think it would be utterly hilarious if instead of awakening the Lion, or reconstructing Magnus with all his morals and mental lucidity, we instead got a Fulgrim on BOTH SIDES of the war, and had a legion that could be played both as traitor or loyalist. It would sure make the Iron Hands suddenly veeery vocal in new material, wouldn't it?

[@aguspuig6615]

honestly in my headcannon Fulgrim never left the painting, and his souls is still traumatised by allowing himself to fall to chaos, so clone Fulgrim got his soul from the painting, while the original Fulgrims body, now turned into a demon snake body has always been piloted by the Laer blade's demon.

[@dipilodorkus]

@@aguspuig6615 I agree in that my own headcanon is Fulgrim is still in the painting as well. Deamons lie. Wouldn't be that far of a stretch.

[@thewerdna]

actually there wouldn't need to be any shenanigans for the soul to not be with the snake fulgrim. Becoming a demon replaces your soul with raw warp stuff, with the souls being usually gobbled up by the chaos got who the now demon pledged to. So the Fulgrim soul instead of leaving his body, had to have somehow escaped Slaanesh

[@GambeTama]

@@thewerdna The problem with that is that Reflection Crack'd and Angel Exterminatus both demonstrate that Fulgrim was in control when he ascended. RC was that story where he was tied to a slab and vivisected by his legion, and AE is where he tried to screw over Perturabo. While the stories are not held in the highest regard, they are still considered canon, meaning that Snake Fulgrim is apparently the real deal. It would also sort of make sense, since he didn't necessarily receive a massive soul donation solely from a chaos god to ascend, he just used Perty's to turbo through it. At the very very VERY least, the fandom seems adamant on Snake Fulgrim being the real guy initially. It was probably also why the Rylanor event thing actually affected him so much, because in the aftermath of that it was said that his soul "bore a scar that would never fade" or something poetic like that.

[@thewerdna]

@BetaBran the point was that all the demon primarchs don't have their original souls anymore. They have their memories and aren't possessed, but their souls were replaced by pure warp stuff. This is the typical process of accending to become a daemon, you literally have to sell your soul away. So Snake Fulgrim is still Fulgrim, he just lacks his original soul.

[@jakebailey1636]

It's probably worth pointing out in an extra lore section that the clone of fulgrim is a PERFECTL clone, something Fabius only was able to do then by the sheerest dumb luck- but Fulgrim has been making his own clones too. Ferrus has been cloned several times over by Fulgrim in an attempt to get him to join chaos, almost without doubt so Fulgrim can get some lost pride from that failure- he has killed every clone because they have yet to join him

[@ming45612]

Guess that goes to show that the Primarchs are everything their children are and more. Fulgrim could likely perfect Bile's "New Men" in an afternoon if he wanted to, but he's got other priorities.

[@jakebailey1636]

@@ming45612 Oh Fulgrim is VERY wound up in the pettiness, rather appropriately for a Slaaneshi Primarch. Apprantly he's been chilling away from the limelight for so long because he remade Chemos and has been basically playing a Godus like game with them, ruling how he wants, until he gets bored, kills them all off then replaces them for another go

[@Rhysman30]

Ill add, perfect clonegrim had that primarch AURA. He had all the new men ready to lay down their lives for him, all the 3rd legion that were in the midst of betraying fabius throwing down their swords. clonegrim had previously talked about leading leading a crusade to save humanity, subtly manipulating everyone. Fabius himself was nearly being lost to his admiration and love for his primarch. But, Fabius also hates Fulgrim for what he did to his legion, he saw history repeating itself. SO Fabius was was like, "Oh. FUCK no. Not again. Take this guy instead, Trazen".

[@ohamatchhams]

@@Rhysman30 I'm still agreeing with Majorkill that the Primarch Auras of the original Primarchs are just powerful but still lesser warp gods that's not corrupted by the 4 chaos gods, usually of various religions and mythologies of humanity and probably some xenos' similar pantheons in Warhammer 40K, when Slaanesh was born, only chaos gods that got morphed into steroids-level of powers while the lesser warp gods (including the Primarchs' souls) are busy in their own dominion, that is until The Emperor being theorised by Majorkill to be snatched and forced by Emperor's secret biomancy and psychic rites to enforces them into his test tube bodies, that is until chaos gods (or Erda) exploits them into their own interests (or out of maternal love by Erda) Keep in mind that Erda is supposedly able to morph into sea monster gods to kill hostile daemons, so these Primarchs are not just figuratively demigods, they're fragments of the gods of old collectively worshiped separately by certain portions of the galaxy's populations, I still really prefers Majorkill's theory on this since it's gives depths to The Warp to have actual directions and origins to how it's applies to the material history form the immaterial psychic origins of The Warp (and subsequently the current mafia of 4 chaos gods), Eternity Well are also being one of several things which even the 4 chaos gods feared and it's a massive shame that GW aren't brave enough to expands on both The Warp and even the material universe too

[@orionlogan8114]

Caus nobody likes Snake-boi Fulgrim Except Snake-boi Fulgrim, Who REAALLLY likes Snake-Boi Fulgrim

[@Eleven217]

_"This isn't our Primarch... HE'S AN IMPOSTOR"_ -Lucius the Eternal, from The Reflection Crack'd. I shit you not he says that.

[@13emstr]

Lucius, more like Lucisus.

[@ASingleSpaghetti]

It was a common phrase before "Among Us"

[@lazymidas4262]

📺

[@jocosesonata]

@@ASingleSpaghetti One could even say it was among us before Among Us.

[@ancientgearsynchro]

“Reflection Cracked”? You must be miss remembering things, dear friend. There was no reflection cracked and any who say otherwise is just a bad dream.

[@pentacosttb2565]

Fulgrim is so often compared to Ferrus due to their shared desire to achieve perfection, and friendship, obviously, but if you ask me, Fulgrim is to Roboute Guilliman what Konrad Curze is to Corvus Corax. Both were logisticians that absolutely obsessed over details and theoretical outcomes to find the optimal path to proceed. Infact Guilliman observed that in wargames and joint campaigns with the 3rd Legion, that Fulgrim's plans were the equal of his own, and that the Emperor's Children carried out Guilliman's orders more precisely and competently than his Ultramarines did.

[@thefeatherbird_]

Fulgrim was quick to point out that Guilliman could easily fall to Slaanesh, and given that ultramarines almost always do when they fall hes probably right. Also ill always love that he killed Guilliman by first beating him strategically in a naval battle to force him into a dual, first beating him at his own game and then physically beating the shit out of him.

[@Ashtor1337]

@@thefeatherbird_ but Guilliman isn't the master tactical mind among the primarchs. He's the logistical mind he doesn't plan a battle he plans an entire war effort, he's not worried about 1 fight he counts the bean to make sure the fight keeps happening, additionally look at his peacetime efforts. Nothing tactical just good management skills. winning one naval fight against any Primarch doesn't mean you beat them in their field. Dorn, Perty, the Khan all could beat Papa Smurf in 1 battle.

[@Fordo007]

@@Ashtor1337 I agree with you. Gulliman is like Caesar, he likes to win by maneuver and logistics and force the enemy to fight in conditions where they are massively disadvantaged. He's not an Alexander who wants to fight his enemy at their strongest and pull out tactical brilliance and win. If Gulliman can't win the war of maneuver and supply... he doesn't have the best odds.

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

@@Fordo007 Others win battles, Gorillaman wins wars

[@JosephHead]

One thing I will mention that was missed was Fulgrim vs Dorn where Dorn kept shield checking him.

[@TheLordofMetroids]

"The spear-tip is broken. You’re holding a gate for no one. You’re just an idiot standing on a wall."

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Tbh, that was talked about for Dorn’s episode.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

@@TheLordofMetroids "No." ~Rogal Dorn.

[@JosephHead]

@@TheLordofMetroids love that line. Dorn may be a brick but that man has comebacks to hand out like candy

[@scumbaggaming9418]

The sequel to Knife Man Guy Vs Riot Shield Man

[@Jormyyy]

Rejoice fellow Emp's Children fans, the Fulgrim episode is finally upon us! Which means just one week closer to RYLANOR THE ANCIENT CHAD OF RITES EPISODE edit: that was a darn good episode and I'd say Bricky did a great job covering as much as he possibly could in the time alloted

[@IdioticSynergy]

The giant jar on legs

[@Jormyyy]

@@IdioticSynergy don't speak about my dad like that

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@Jormyyy Ain't my fault that he's probably been recycled as the communal nut jar.

[@Jormyyy]

@@IdioticSynergy

[@PoltheArmaPlayer]

FINALLY

[@spacemonkey7972]

Fulgirm loved art so much that he became a centerpiece in a gallery.

[@vlaandhael]

is clone is also within's trazyn's museum

[@DoctaTemel]

I just finished Fabius bile clonelord (the book with clone fulgrim) and it actually really thought out and Fabius gives a good reason for why he doesn't trust clone fulgrim. His point is that even if the clone is uncorrupted, primarch were the while reason the HH happened and without them the galaxy would have been better. Also being around fulgrim forces all of the Chaos Space marines to almost completely submit or break down in tear since snake fulgrim turned them into chaos boys this while clone doesn't want that for them. So yeah, Fabius basically convinces himself that a world with primarchs and by extention fulgrim, would just end up bad for humanity all over again. Also when raising clonegrim Fabius ends up becoming a father figure to the clone and it actually hurts him to hand the clone over to Trayzen, but he feels like he has to. The clone even ask Fabius what he did wrong because he loves his teacher so much and when Fabius tells him he did nothing wrong it breaks clonegrim.

[@danyael777]

.....again.

[@DoctaTemel]

@@danyael777 What?

[@danyael777]

@@DoctaTemel Your last sentence, it breaks him again. Fulgrim broke bc he never managed to live up to his own standards, or felt like he didn't, pretty much the same with clonegrim. So one could say Biles concerns weren't entirely out of this world.

[@DoctaTemel]

@@danyael777 Okay, I see what you mean now.

[@SuperPiratesfan]

“You are the slave of the dusty corpse-king. How awful. Count yourself among the blind and the impoverished. But rejoice! We bring news of a fair prince who will treat you as you should be treated, with kindness and rewards of piquant sensation never to be bested.”-- Lord Damien Trastoon of the Emperor’s Children.

[@librarybear3419]

The Silver Blade of Laer is propably one of the most infamous Daemon weapons around for successfully corrupting a Primarch. Weapons containing a daemon are actually not too uncommon, but their power will vary. Other two legendary daemons stored in a sword would be Drach'nyen, wielded by Abaddon (also nicknamed "the First Murder and "the End of Empires) and the Black Blade of Antwyr, currently imprisoned away by Grey Knights (Castellan Crowe, the jailer of the blade, carries it to battle and keeps ignoring it's constant whispers). After no longer containing a daemon, Fulgrim gave the blade for Lucius, who still uses it in the 42nd millennium.

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

Basically Anubis from JoJo’s Bizzare Adventures

[@pentacosttb2565]

The Emperor 100% loved art as much as Fulgrim and Sanguinius. Even ignoring the fact both get that love from their dad, look at the absolutely artistry in the armour and design of the Custodes equipment. There's a reason the Emperor's Children's Phoenix Guard Terminators are the best of the Legion, and fundamentally just an homage to the Custodes.

[@IlyaKokoev]

Fulgrim really just said: "I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was".

[@yaelz6043]

Then got put in a pokeball.

[@consolescrub4031]

I could be wrong but Lucius was just Fulgrim's favourite son because he was a champion duellist. Eidolon was the first captain during the HH (he got decapitated by Fulgrim but he got better and was made into a super powerful noise marine). I think it's interesting how Lucius was so mistrusted by the legion he was actually on the ground for the virus bombardment of Istvaan 3. No one likes Lucius but Fugrim, Slaanesh and Lucius. Lucius really likes Lucius.

[@jamesmacken9501]

Julius Kaeseron was the first captain, Eidolon was a favoured Lord Commander

[@consolescrub4031]

@@jamesmacken9501 Oh my mistake. I just remembered Eidolon was basically supposed to lead the legion whenever Fulgrim went off to get more milk shakes or conditioner and Lucius was posing. Unfortunate he encountered the blender that was Sigismund.

[@jamesmacken9501]

@@consolescrub4031 He acted as Lord Commander Primus with a third of the legion working alongside the Death Guard driving the White Scars into a corner meanwhile Lucius messes around with the thousand sons. I wish the siege of Terra books were better written, somehow Sigismund overpowered the man with primarch level strength and threw him off the wall when he has a jump-pack, I wish it was Sigismund using his speed over Eidolon who's effectively a cripple with limp, avoiding attacks that would have been certain death and wearing him down.

[@consolescrub4031]

@@jamesmacken9501 Yeah, I was mostly noting how even in earlier encounters such as with the iron warriors in the angel exterminatus, both come along with fulgrim but Lucius is there to basically be Fulgrim's enforcer rather than providing any input. In Siggy's defence he also blocked strikes from a certain swell guy and Abaddon both of whom are probably as strong as non-primarchs get. He also sneak-attacked Eidolon by sheer merit that he was distracted in his 50v1 vs the Wall that talks and Eidolon survived that without any significant impediment so I imagine he probably recovered midfall, laughed at Skraivok and went off to find dad at the grocery store as that would have been about the time he peaced out.

[@TheHandofDestiny]

Lucius was sent down on Istvaan 3 because of his friendship with Saul

[@Ninjamilk_]

Fabius obtained the clone of fulgrim. And his Legion started to be in awe, realising that they could be a loyalist chapter again. And we're excited and scared. Ended up at Treyzen's pad for the gene seed, and in a panicked state where the whispers of the warp took hold, Fabius very quickly, traded him to Treyzen. Which felt like slaanesh putting alot of effort into not losing the emperors children from the rebirth of loyalist Fulgrim. Did enjoy the fabius bile books.

[@IdioticSynergy]

Tonite on Ridiculous Gear: Fulgrim flexes and pops his scaly Snakussy for Bricky's extended forehead. DK gets trapped in Fulgrims used pre-mating warm up jar, Shy gets stuck in a painting where she judges all those who comes into Fulgrims Palace and Kirioth gets fed to the Throne of Living Velvet.

[@matiasyannuzzi9655]

This one is particularly cursed and I expected nothing less.

[@IdioticSynergy]

@@matiasyannuzzi9655 Wait till we get to the rest of the emperor's children ^_^

[@Brakvash]

Yep that's cursed. I need a melta-gun STAT.

[@IdioticSynergy]

@KarSoban Ohhh, don't hype me up to much lmao

[@gunthergiel7088]

Kinda wonder why you do this and I'm impressed and repulsed at the same time because of your obsession but I give it a like and maybe take the time and reconcider my life for a bit

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

21:25 Ferrus Manus (meaning "Iron Hand"), who had iron hands, was the leader of the Iron Hands, who give themselves iron hands in honour of the iron hands of Iron Hand of the Iron Hands. GW's subtlety is utterly impeccable as always. I unironically kind of love it.

[@lestevegmbh2637]

Im not that into the grimdark rabbithole but for some reason i can forgive the metal palms, but can't take "angron" seriously.

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

@@lestevegmbh2637 if it helps, Angron isn’t his full name. His full name is Angronicus.

[@ultrasimp2489]

To be 100% fair, if big E did tell his kids about chaos, I could see half of them falling to chaos willingly by the power temptation.

[@twicedeadmage]

Angron, Lorgar and Mortarion would be jumping head first into Chaos if they knew.

[@Sercotani]

for one, telling Lorgar that Chaos is real would just cripple the entire Heresy, since they were the ones that lay down the groundwork for the entire thing to be possible in the first place. Or make it even worse, depending on what Lorgar thinks of Chaos, and when he was told about it. In fact the more I think about it the crazier the possibilities get. The Gods will ultimately have their Heresy moment, regardless of what the Emperor did.

[@thomasthetankengine3012]

@@twicedeadmage Mortarion and Angron woudnt since Morty hates psykers and daemons and Angron just wants to die

[@benjaminbarraza8972]

@@thomasthetankengine3012 yeah, they were turned into demos unwillingly

[@shovel662]

@@twicedeadmageI think Lorgar would see them as false gods who oppose the one true God, which would have made the word bearers the most fanatically loyal chapter. The heresy could still happen, but Lorgy won’t eat the crazy hamburger.

[@MajorSquiggles]

I hate that they basically retconned Fulgrim's fall. Being stuck in the painting is such a fitting and poetic end to the whole story. Then to suddenly go back and say nah he was just fucking with everyone, makes no sense. The tragedy of his story falls apart. The demon sword, killing Ferrus, all of it was pointless since he wanted to fall anyways on his own. That decision really feels like bad fanfiction. Leaving him in the painting gives them room to do something with him in the future. Maybe a loyalist Fulgrim fights to redeem himself while demon Fulgrim continues to fight the Imperium. That'd be cool.

[@Haloister]

^^^^ THIS ^^^^

[@anthonybell9807]

Still possible. The demon could have lied

[@floridaball4896]

@@anthonybell9807 Also everything is canon but not everything is true

[@jagnestormskull3178]

Also, leaving him in the painting lends a natural explanation to how Fulgrim's clone has a soul (which usually doesn't happen, most clones are empty vessels). The Fulgrim in the painting could see Fabius Bile's CloneGrim and be like "finally! An escape!"

[@crr4482]

Ya it's a stain on a primarch story that I otherwise think is great. Maybe they could make it work if they fleshed it out more, like explaining whatever happened in-between the painting and Fulgrim taking over his body again. It's possible to write in something happening to Fulgrim that makes him fall completely and want to take over his body again without having to re-retconn the story. But as is the twist comes out of nowhere and doesn't really make much sense.

[@PrancingGoldfish]

I wished he'd mentioned that the reason Fulgrim made the hammer and Ferrus made the sword is because they each specifically made what they thought the other was gonna make. Ferrus was known for wielding hammers, So Fulgrim made a hammer to show how much better he was at it. Whilst Fulgrim was known for wielding blades, so Ferrus made a blade that show him that he was better.

[@Ultra_Sauce]

Imagine being an innocent bystander during the siege of Terra only to hear a space marine go “SEGGS!?!? 🥵”

[@mr.funkbot7048]

Primal fear.

[@lazymidas4262]

Arousal.

[@frej7422]

^The duality of man^

[@SalviHippo]

*panicked confusion*

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

I believe that phenomenon is referred to in the Imperium as “TRANSHUMAN DREAD,” an actual psychological condition 😂

[@Smilton444]

Even outside of these episodes, I would recommend his primarch book, Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix, to the AR team as well as anyone who wants a deeper look into his pre-heresy mindset and a glimpse into the issues that put him and the Emperor's Children on their current path. I'd say it's a pretty good primarch book, and since it's not all one long action scene you get a lot about Fulgrim's mental state and motivations as well as good and bad traits of his. It's a real shame the author left Black Library after the Bile trilogy and this book, since I'd say he was for the EC what Wraight was for the White Scars. One of the cooler human characters in it points out that he's the only one of his brothers (that they've found at that point) who had to actually save his world instead of just conquering it, and you can sort of see why that and the state of his legion when he got it affected him and his actions.

[@Shadow-hd7yl]

Ah yes I too remember when all the chaos gods said in one voice “mehhhh” after the emperor said “lol lmao” thank you for reminding us of this super important moment in the lore

[@Haloister]

I seem to remember they were incredibly terrified because his plan would end up with them basically getting put into a coma, and he was making actual progress.

[@johnnnysilverhand9819]

Trazyn has a blind half-aeldari, half human/Astartes Ultramarine Librarian that looks like Illidan, in his vault…

[@Fisthammet]

Illiyan Nastase?

[@xanmontes8715]

Half what??

[@exactinmidget92]

lets not forget that, 1. Emperors Children are still to this day the only ones allowed to wear the Eagle. 2. they still scream, "For the Emperor" before charging in.

[@Hiihtopipa]

Emperor's children: we do a little trolling

[@Unknown-qj9sm]

31:57 The Xenos here sound like the Sslyth from the Drukhari court of the Archon. Their a snake Xenos race with 4 arms that Drukhari use as bodyguards for Archons. They supposedly lost their world to Slaanesh (which sounds like it tracks with the story) so are forced like many other Xenos to take refuge in Commoragh. They are very effective bodyguards but very untrustworthy.

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

wouldnt an effective but untrustworthy bodyguard be an oxymoron ?

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS not if they're effective at killing shit and can be easily used to overcome their untrustworthy nature

[@weavelcow9596]

Huh, I never thought about that but you're probably right.

[@davidfrancisco3502]

@@_NIKOS9_NIKOS Drukhari archons prefer paid mercenaries as bodyguards over their kabalite underlings because in the Drukhari "society" your only way to the top is through murder and schemming.

[@aimanmarzuqi4804]

I always thought that was the case. I always assumed that the Sslyth were Laeran refugees that decided to sell their service in commoragh after the Emperor’s Children invaded.

[@shangalangshalala]

I've got an idea for a book that seized me after reading about noise marines and stuff. Imagine a drone metal, grungy dark saga about a trio of noise marines in a "band" going around the galaxy performing feats of terror, like making themselves into legend. Kinda inspired by fucked up tour buses.

[@requiemnemesis2413]

Bro that would be fucking awesome they should have a dark Eldar and or fallen sister of battle

[@storyteller6396]

I really would like an episode where DK, Shy and Bricky go over each Primarch to determine the pros and cons of dating them. And then tell use who they would Date and why. I think it would be a fun episode.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

that would be a great patrion goal.

[@nicholasjoseph9062]

All would date Fulgrim whether they like it or not.

[@Ballin4Vengeance]

Vulkan… anytime anyday

[@pdthepowerdragon5412]

Fulgrim is my favorite of the traitors because of his characterization. Someone so obsessed with perfection who secretly hates himself. Someone who is held up as an idol and yet is so flawed.

[@fadelsukoco3092]

33:12 An interesting thing to note is that according to some sources, Cegorach swapped the destination planets of Fulgrim and the Khan, meaning that the Khan would've gone to Slaanesh in the original timeline. Due to the Emperor's extreme (but obviouslyimperfect) skill at precognition and divination, he was going off of the assumption that the Khan would be tempted by Slaanesh instead of Fulgrim. This is why the White Scars were always sent off to the farthest reaches of the Crusade away from any recognition while the Emperor's Children were hyped up, pampered and Fulgrim was trusted extremely.

[@noamtepper456]

Fulgrim is my favorite 40k character by far, so glad you finally got to him.

[@vontheunknown7982]

I think Clonegrim Is going to try to redeem himself and his legion anyway he can, If he ever escapes from Trazyn the infinite collection, What do you guys think?

[@pathfindersavant3988]

I can see Trazyn throwing Clonegrim out with a pokeball during an important siege or moment. Or he might give it as a present to Creed's daughter. Or he might decide he wants to steal some geneseed back from Fabulous Bill and might use Clonegrim then.

[@Iceisnice1]

Agreed. Fabius told himself that he was seeing "the old arrogance" again in Clonegrim, but I believe that's just an excuse. Fabius saw his New Men, even his favored child, Igori, willing to die for Clonegrim after barely a few days in his presence. He saw the Emperor's Children, their depravity and Slaanesh's hold on them, all of it broken in an instant at the mere sight of their primarch as he should have been. So Fabius panicked - and who wouldn't? - Because Fabius cherishes his freedom and his mission to "save" humanity, and he realized those things will end because Clonegrim will inevitably take over.

[@danjudex2475]

He just needs to play a game of “Paradox Billiard vostroyan 4th dimensional hypercube chess strip-poker” for his freedom.

[@alphariusomegon404]

Most likely will he reappear when the Demon one has his great introduction to Counter whatever he's plotting. Like Guilliman has his hand full in Ultrama with Tyranids, Johnson keeps already something at bay in nihilus and now something spawn's almost directly neighboring Sol system. Now both loyalist brother's making a run for Terra and finding there a rebuilding Palast, which deflected a attack by Fulgrim through the heroic intervention of... Fulgrim... There would be so many questions and possibly scenarios how this would go down, i would love it.

[@mateusfelipecardoso40kview3]

Probably with Creed!

[@eldritchbro]

I know it's stupid but I think it would be sick if Fulgrim was able to escape the painting somehow and got his body back and turned back to the Emperor. It would be goofy but I think it would be a cool redemption story for Fulgrim. Edit: nvm he returned, I should have waited a literal minute

[@thefeatherbird_]

Clonegrim is basically this. Hes not the real Fulgy, but hes uncorrupted and would likely turn loyal or at least be anti-chaos leading an army of glad-hounds. Unfortunately Josh Reynolds no longer works for GW so Clonegrim is stuck in Trazyn's vault forever

[@Alpharius93]

At last!! Now I can recommend the Fabius Bile audiobook trilogy for the bookclub! Ave Pater Mutatis!

[@danyael777]

I love that he's german.^^

[@jamesmacken9501]

Ave Pater Mutatis

[@twicedeadmage]

I really hope that the Daemon Perturabo is revelead that it's just a in a Mega Dreadnought that uses Deamons as fuel.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

or liek a deamon engine thing and he is just stealing them from the soul forges.

[@twicedeadmage]

@@henrypaleveda7760 Yep, just imagine the Petulant Manchild trying to capture Fulgrim and using him as fuel.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

@@twicedeadmage that would be awesome but I think if they did that, it'd be the loyalist clonegrim who would escape, putting double spite on perty.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

@@sheogorath7915 that would be pretty cool too, I just thought he might not actually augment as heavily.

[@Stitched_up]

Ferus was working in the forge, his big metal arms glistened in the moon light. Just then Fulgrim confidentiality walks into the room, his eyes lock with the gorgon. Ferus started deep into Fulgrim's beautiful eyes, his heart skipping 2 beats per second. As he bites his bottom lip salivating and the thought of seeing Fulgrim outside his armor. "F-Fulgrim, what are you doing back in the forge so soon?" Ferus says in the tone of a nervous high-school student. "Ohhh, silly Ferus." Said Fulgrim in a seductive voice. "I almost forgot to thank you for my new big, long, and smooth sword." Before Ferus can say another word, Fulgrim strips down and exposed his massive...... " HERESY!!!" Exclaimed brother Vilgrum, loyal astartie of the Black Templars.

[@Shyruni]

A couple things to note (highly recommend the Fulgrim heresy book). First of all, it wasn't just the sword that corrupted the Legion, literally everyone who visited the temple was. In fact, the book implies the legionaries who DIDN'T see the temple were the ones who actually never fell to Chaos. It should also be noted (and something that struck me particularly) is that Manus actually struck first. In their initial fight on the ship, Fulgrim just wanted to talk, but the moment he mentioned betrayal Manus went for his head. Fulgrim in many ways was just an addict who didn't want to hurt anyone, but got manipulated by so many people.

[@thefeatherbird_]

Also glossed over how Fulgrim beat the ever loving shit out of Ferrus in that first encounter. Also kept instinctually aiming for Ferrus' neck despite not having the Laer blade.

[@chancesloan901]

After reading the fabius bile books, I gotta say I liked how clone fulgrim was handled at first and I loved the reaction the emperor's children had to seeing him again. The reason fabius gave the clone away wasn't because he was worried fulgrim would turn chaos or anything, but because he wanted his "new men" to not be led but thrive on their own. Did it upset bile did that? Hell yea it did, but did it also make sense? Sadly yes

[@pentacosttb2565]

I still maintain that Fulgrim never escaped the painting. It was a Keeper of Secrets that possessed him after all, it makes sense it would lie through it's teeth. Either that or the pure part of his sole got sucked into his clone body, and all that was left was the tainted remnants. Either way would explain why he needed some of Pertarabo's soul to ascend to Daemon Princehood. Either he had no mortal soul at all, or only a tiny bit of one.

[@Fisthammet]

Tell that to Ax’senaea, the thrice possessed.

[@BrunoWolfMetal]

On the cloning thing, Fulgrin has Bile making clones of Manus so he can convince one to be a traitor with him, as it always fails, he just keeps killing those

[@vinnythewebsurfer]

Honestly the Emp’s children’s origins are pretty dang fascinating. Obviously a lot of it is just Terrans like usual but for the 3rd legion in particular, a lot of those marines came from backgrounds you’d considered of “noble blood”. Children of other important leader figures that weren’t the emperor given up like a tithe to the conqueror. So you basically had a legion whose soldiers were better educated and trained like how you learn about medieval knights/royal houses. When the shitshow happens with the lost gene seed, they basically had to adapt to different tactics than what’s standard for other marines since obviously, they can’t just do battle in ways that would get alot of them killed off needlessly. More planning and emphasis on quick and effective combat needed to be mastered, none of that attrition warfare(iron warriors) or suicidal Charges (blood angels) So basically between their origins from Terra as nobles on top of needing to be as meticulous and careful as possible to retain their numbers, that entire legion had been conditioned to achieve nothing short of perfection both as a necessity of survival and for the sake of their honor which is all well and good but sadly, we saw how that dedication turned to obsession and then into…. So so much batshit insane things.

[@thewerdna]

So interesting fact, Fulgrim was not supposed to land on Chemos. His pod was going towards Chogoris, while Jaghatai's was going towards Chemos. However someone (implied to have possibly been Cegorach, since he has shown an noted interest in Jaghatai) swapped the pod's locations

[@worldeater2414]

Glad to see that Bricky is scrambling to pick a topic for them to talk about, while trying not to burst with the new news from GW, and the Table Top stuff

[@archabe]

I bet snake Fulgrim have even more fabulous hair. Finally getting my work-station up next year. Hopefully the codex get released soon. Looking forward to start assemble and paint My Emperors children army.

[@juanbelio2057]

To Bricky, DK, Shy, and all the folks that contribute to Adeptus Ridiculous: In the last 2 months, I've rapidly gone through all of the episodes for the podcast, mostly in release order, but I think all of them. I'm delighted to have caught up and, in general, I can't put into words how much this has expanded my knowledge of the 40k universe, while also making me laugh as often as it has. I used to play the game back in the 6th start of the 7th edition but I left for a plethora of reasons, but I'm now compelled to return. I've already convinced a bunch of my friends to give it a go over on Tabletop Simulator and I'm really excited about playing my new favourites, Chaos Knights! Sincerely, A big thank you and happy holidays.

[@orlandosimpson8404]

It's funny the relationship between fulgrim and feras manis reminds me of gutz and Griffiths a little bit.

[@mzlm1468]

Please cover Vespasian, Tarvitz and Demeter, the emperor's children have some of the best loyalists. Actually cried a little towards the end of the Fulgrim book when Vespasian realises how far his primarch and his legion have fallen and then gets stabbed by Fulgrim.

[@JosephHead]

I have to say I thought I would hate listening to Fulgrim’s Primarch novel because I had assumed he would be a egotistical prick but he’s a very good man in the beginning with his insecurities about his legion due to how few of them there were. He was always playing a game of catch up with his brothers. I will say that in his book you get to hear the 2nd legion primarch’s opinion of Fulgrim which is the most we ever heard of the erased legions

[@jamesmacken9501]

We get his opinion on Fulgrim and Fulgrim equates it to the pot calling the kettle black.

[@godqueenbidoof]

you should listen to the fabius bile trilogy of audiobooks. it's in there that we encounter clone fulgrim and there's a lot more about him there. They're also genuinely some of my favorite audiobooks

[@slovakiaballif24]

I refuse to acknowledge The Mirror Cracked. Fulgrim some how gets out of the painting and goes back on all the sorrow and guilt when he was first trapped, and is now like “oh actually I like this whole slaanesh thing lmao”. Complete 180. I feel like GW didn’t want one of the Traitor primarchs to not be themselves, so forced a retcon. In my headcanon, Fulgrim’s soul is still in the painting (or maybe even escaped to form Fabius’s perfect clone?)

[@Deisan]

40k lore is the definition of "Damned if you do, damned I'd you don't."

[@markokozic]

Episode dedicated to Fulgrim just made me like Perturabo more...you love to hear it.

[@wolvie90]

The Fulgrim book of the Horus Heresy series is my favorite piece of 40k lore. He's legit a very interesting and tragic figure.

[@anexistanthuman2435]

He’s pretty “full” of himself. Honestly, his road to damnation is quite “grim”

[@toasterten1293]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[@countsnowyofgwainn3996]

I love how the intro is so Glamorized for the Prettiest snakey boy

[@Ravensgale]

38:22 Remember that one time Worf got his back broken by an empty plastic container that fell on him with probably the kinetic force of a six year old with a Sockem' Bopper?

[@alexwilbrecht6962]

I hope eidolon is mentioned next episode, the emperors children have some great characters, eidolon being one of them

[@adambozek9807]

Much Obliged for this, as well as when you do the Emperors Children legion as a whole and Rylanor, Thank You all so very much a fuck ton amount for all off this.

[@InsomniacTC]

A 1 hour 15 minute episode on Fulgrim and my main takeaway STILL is how utterly BASED Perturabo is

[@seeingseeer5282]

Fulgrim's name is supposedly based on fulgur, which is Latin for lightning, specifically, the flash it makes. And if it's true, it fits him well. What is Fulgrim if he's not flashy?

[@cerbeeerus]

Fulgrims name is Ugly in swedish, Ful and in danish, grim combined

[@latayantheazran]

Oi hes a flashy git

[@DinzelAnaoamori]

I bet Clonegrim just loves it in the Trazyn's museum. So much fine art of every way and form around! Just imagine those two sitting with two cups of recaf, casually discussing art of pre-primarch Nostramo or something ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@deadlyydude5522]

The emperors children horus heresy books are excellent, strongly recommend for anyone that’s interested in how chaos slowly corrupts people. The symphony scene in particular is incredible, and also extremely messed up

[@darkswords147]

I wish we could get a Punhammer contemplation video with the thumbnail being smug Perturabo smiling.

[@louiesirois2830]

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SO LONG AND FEEL NOTHING BUT JUBULINCE

[@thespookymage6294]

SO glad you guys are doing the Emperor's Children, they are my second favorite legion and one of my favorites to play!

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

Oh my Dark Prince!!! You finally gave me my cameo..!!! Slaanesh approves 😈

[@jarreditis777]

I believe that, following the timeline release of codexes and novels, Fulgrim was the first character to start the trend of being made more of a badass by single-handedly slaying an Avatar of Khaine. Such a fancy lad, always a trendsetter, this is why the EC will always have my allegiance, both on the tabletop and in my heart!

[@willrogers3793]

In regards to Big E being Bad Dad, check out “The Mistakes of The Emperor” series by OldManReacts. It’s one of the best breakdowns of Big E as a character I’ve come across, and one of the better explanations (that isn’t lazy writing) for some of his more pants-on-head dumbass moments. Also there’s shitloads of memes crammed in there.

[@nietsmmar5]

Bricky calling it the lee-ar blade instead of the lær blade really triggers me. AND also, Ferrus didn't break the firesword, he tried to break it, but was knocked out in the attempt. Fulgrim took the forgebreaker back and left the firesword with Ferrus. On Isstvan 5, Fulgrim was almost defeated while wielding the forgebreaker, against ferrus wielding the foresword. However, Fulgrim pulled out the blade of laer before being executed, and was strengthened by the demon in the sword and overpowered Ferrus. The rest is pretty on spot

[@phyrexiarising]

Great work on the video guys, can't wait to learn more about noise marines! Also how about that necron yule merch eh?

[@Pikkabuu]

I totally cannot wait for the Ferrus Mannus episode.

[@KokNoker]

In all seriousness, the Lucius model is not that bad as long and you reposition the Lash. I hear compliments on mine all the time and all I did was just reposition the whip to be looped back to like like it was mid swing.

[@jamiebaker9264]

After Guillemans return Fulgrim makes an appearance at his coronation disguised as a bishop of some kind placing a crown upon Guillemans head. In that moment Guilleman feels the faintest swell of pride and ambition before stealing himself. Fulgrim then makes himself known with a lil' "aaaaah nearly gotcha" *winky face* which low key fucks with Guillemans head.

[@madskristiansen]

You forgot about Fulgrim's duel with Rogal Dorn in the siege of Terra.

[@thefeatherbird_]

"Dual". Fulgrim didnt even fight, and he just up and left after Dorn explained that Abaddon had used him. Plus he revealed Dorn hadnt even scratched him Its not really noteworthy

[@TK421someone]

New intro fuckin smacks even harder than the last one!

[@jamsammmZention]

The snake people sound a lot like the Drukhari's Sslyth

[@ALDS-zk9ko]

DK! Those head puns were top notch!! Don't let the haters bring you down! You had me in tears. Keep em coming man

[@Andaril2]

Too all of you meming Fullgrim is all about SEGZ I want you to remind you that bigest alure of Slanush is perfection and Fullgrim had very big I'm not perfect isuess becouse evrybody saw him as this walking perfection. He just wanted to be perfect and that constant chase for it made him vunrable. Somtimes good enough is good enough.

[@Shooter762]

“The Eldar can’t catch a break…” The Eldar don’t deserve a bank.

[@bequakynskagroupie3751]

You smeggin FINALLY gave me my cameo… sheeeeeeesh…!! Slaanesh approves… 😈

[@thefeatherbird_]

But they didnt mention you 😔

[@Ceiling_Gato]

Even though he's Raven Guard, you better mention Nykona Sharrowkyn in the next episode. The man who sniped Fulgrim through the eye, beat Lucius into a pulp in a 1 on 1 duel and delivered one of the most badass 40k lines while doing so.

[@jamesmacken9501]

Sharrowkyn got played like a fiddle when it came to shooting Fulgrim, Fulgrim knew he was there the entire time and stood there and let him do it to allow him to manipulate Perturabo and ascend to daemonhood.

[@v10l3t40]

This is why Nykonas my favorite, I don't even care for Raven Guard but he was by far the heaviest carry for the loyalists in Angel Exterminatus

[@navitgator16]

Man I bet this episode is gonna go Full Grim Dark.

[@brocklewis7624]

We haven’t had a necrons episode in a minute. I’d love to see a new one!

[@martinosborne4703]

I disagree with Eldrad being a chad. He's poorly written and is a bit of an idiot. He: 1. Sent assassins to kill Angron to prevent him falling to Chaos, only for the assassins to fail and guarantee Angron's fall. 2. Failed to notice anything strange about Fulgrim or the sword, despite being arguably the most powerful Psyker of the Aeldari. 3. Led a small Harlequin force into the Imperial Palace and attacked some Custodes, FOR A PEACE TALK. 4. Finally, after all of that, blamed Humanity and called them untrustworthy.

[@Shredkowski]

The "Worf effect" is so true it hurts.

[@mutantmaster1]

Oh boy, the other Pretty Boy of 40k! I sure hope nothing bad happens to him!

[@jakejutras5420]

The synth version of the intro is best version.

[@jimmydu14200]

If you want another funny fact about Fulgrim: when baby Fulgrim landed, his adoptive parent killed the dude who wanted to kill baby Fulgrim because he was to sexy and hot. And then chemos came so hard that water started to flow from where he landed

[@twilightgryphon]

Aside from Angron, Fulgrim is probably the most tragic of the primarchs that fell because he didn't have to. Whereas with Angron the reason why he betrayed Big E was obvious, with Fulgrim it was a subtle, slow burn where you don't want him to fall but there's seemingly no way to avoid it, either.

[@piratekingthaszar7912]

Of course Fulgrim gets the synthesized hair metal intro.

[@teejay1646]

I can't even begin to describe how the intro is in absolutely no way "synthesized hair metal"

[@alans3010]

Gotta love a fulgrim episode that makes me like the IRON WARRIORS more

[@latayantheazran]

"Fulgrim the dumpster baby" Funny thing is i know a guy who was abandoned in a dumpster when he was a baby, and hes a bisexual disaster of a man who likes to party, do drugs and dress in drag. So yeah, i basically know IRL fulgrim lol

[@twicedeadmage]

I knew a girl like that, except the crossdressing.

[@deadlyydude5522]

But does he have a cool sword?

[@latayantheazran]

@The shy one no, but he might as well could be

[@latayantheazran]

@@deadlyydude5522 that depends of what you think about whats under his pants

[@leftwardglobe1643]

The Emperor's Children got their name initially in part because they were pulled from hostages of various warlords the Emperor conquered. Essentially as part of their tithe upon joining his burgeoning Imperium, he'd demand their leader's first born sons for induction into the IIIrd Legion. Effectively making the adopted children of the Emperor. Also a really good means of controlling newly conquered territories. They then typically acted as diplomats and coordinated with the Imperial Army on many occasions whereas most other legions operated almost entirely on their own with tank, artillery and air support only.

[@trli7117]

The story of Fulgrum is infinitely better if you ignore anything after he gets trapped in the portrait. Everything after that just cheapens the emotion and themes of the narrative. Him escaping and choosing to continue in the deamon's footsteps is just dumb and takes away any character development he gets in his book.

[@SassyTheSasquatch96]

Said it before and ill said it again, perturabo is a chad.