ADHD: Non-Linear Learning

[@joanmejer3126]

Love the guitar example of non-linear-dynamics and the way learning is inevitable when you “do something for the pleasure or just for the fun of it”

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Excellent. Always like when our content validates those with ADHD.

[@smiletodaykatie]

I spend an unbelievable amount of time on KZbin learning about all kinds of topics since it began. You NEED to keep this channel up. You provide CRITICAL applicable info! Thank you!

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Thanks for taking the time to post. Your comments are very motivational.

[@Top_Dawg360]

@@AttentionTalkVideo ❤ :)

[@llTheJVlusicInMell]

I learned mid College (studing Psychology) I can learn VERY fast when I integrate previous information with new information (Fastest way to take information from Short term Memory to long term memory). Also doing MY OWN research in MY OWN way. No redundance = no boring subjects = Hyperfocus. Taking liberty to associate subjects with other sciences and themes (Like Phylosophy and History). Like hanging Lights on a Christmas Tree. Damn now Im so good at studying... I get such good grades at exams and I am so good at what I do. We are great! We can be great. We are just differently structured. (Even tho Im great at studying and learning I literally forget more than half the work and Projects I have to do) lol.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Thanks for posting and sharing your experience. Hoping others read it and get inspired by it. Success is often about being more of who you are not who you think you should be.

[@Deelitee]

Can you give an example of this??? I would also love an update on your progress!

[@justbuns6404]

I came across this video while looking for ways to study music while having ADHD. For me, figuring out the context of a concept is key. But this means I have to learn so much more than other people before I understand it. I've gained expert level expertise on some topics while trying to understand the basics. It's so frustrating to see people learn and play chords in a week while I am looking at the history of Western and non-Western music for months and have nothing to show for it. Only to hear "you need to learn the basics". What basics? Basics are pre-defined steps that get you results fast but don't allow you to understand a concept at all. Sorry for the rant. You sound like a great coach! 😊

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I can relate. I'm a VERY contextual learner... more specifically i need to understand the how and why to have insights. Once i have that i can problem solve or learn using logic. Problem is that is the opposite how most teach. It is helpful to understand how i learn. it makes it easier to know what/whom i'm looking for. Keep the faith.

[@brandydinsmore8214]

I started learning violin at 46 yo (4 yrs ago) Being adhd, i learned by pattern. Although i can read music, i didnt enjoy reading it while playing. I ended up learning i scale then ad libbing just using that scale. Like numbering frets, 1,3,5,7 frets sound like blues. 2,5 sound irish music. 2,3, and 5 often on church music So i could memorize songs using tab method and then i can play recognized melodies but what i love the most is just living with a scale for several weeks and just playing patterns however i like them while working on the right hand working with the bow. It may not be “classical” but i played on a stage 4 mos after getting the only violin i had ever played because i memorized the finger pattern of a song i wrote and my husband helped me arrange the music and notes. Then i found out you can string a tenor banjo and a baritone ukelele just like the strings of a violin so now i can play those too, and the madolin which is also the same order of strings. Looks like i know 5-6 instruments but i just play the same notes with the neck turned a different direction. Side note, viola and cello have the same configuration as can the tenor banjo. And if you can do violin, you can do these too, just move the song to one string higher pitch (down one string toward skinnier string.).

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

How cow! Brilliant!!!!!! Amazing you figured that out. seems like you have a thing for patterns. Thanks for posting. Wow!

[@rahulthakurhere]

The number of views are too low, but I hope you keep making these videos. They have been a great resource and have helped me understand myself better.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

our content is less commercial but in our opinion more practical. The plan is to keep doing what we are doing because of comments like yours. thanks.

[@thegrimreefer7016]

Thank you for this I feel like I’ve been stagnating in my music because of my attention issues but I’ve definitely progressed just at a slower rate than everyone around me but I stick with it and it’s encouraging to hear someone who has the same issues seeing it as a challenge that they have met.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I've been stickiing ith it for years. started a band. that has really helped. leaning a lot from jamming with others. thanks for posting.

[@judyp9141]

Late to the party but thank you for this! Just bought a guitar that I love. I pass by and strum it everyday, but I haven’t committed to formal lessons yet. I’ve been giving myself a lot of slack about it but I’m gonna do it MY way!

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Booya... been doing the same thing for 30 years. Over time I've figured a lot out. People say what i play is recognizable.

[@arcims_razor9057]

This waters the gardens of my ADHD

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

interesting way to articulate it.

[@DeAguaMusic]

This is super useful, I'm a piano teacher and I have some students with ADHD and the linear approach does'n really motivates them, not as improvisation sessions or the "playground" approach do, specially with kids. Thanks for this!

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

you are welcome. thrilled you found value in this. Thanks for posting.

[@tacyak198]

I've been learning piano and more of a classical method. I've played mandolin for years....but simple fiddle tunes and I never got improvising down. A major thing I noticed, and my instructor, is that I have an extremely hard time learning to read music correctly. Instead I tend to memorize...and I do it very rapidly. I can commit music to memory fast especially if I listen to it. Its something my instructor says will actually hinder me because I won't memorize complex pieces correctly....she really wants me to be able to play while sight reading and its slowly coming along. Unfortunately to do so I have to use very simple, and kind of boring, short pieces and make an effort NOT to memorize it. And I'm banned from listening to things she gives me. I think I agree with the non-linear learning being a major factor in how I learn, but I also think having an instructor keep you in line is helpful. You should learn some skills before you move onto others. She says I have a remarkable memory, but laughed because I forget to bring things! I think the tendancy to memorize is because its a path of least resistance for my brain. Reading is hard and takes a lot of focus....memorizing is easy and keeps my attention. Don't know if other people have noticed this...just convinced its part of the adhd thing going on upstairs.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I have dyslexia. It is a symbol retrieval issue. When i look at a "b" i'll retrieve a "d". Imagine reading a sentence with boy but i read doy. Ugh. I have to go back and reread the sentence cause it doesn't make sense. Over time this gets quite effortful. It is hard enough to read comprehending is difficult. That said, neurotypicals way of doing things make sense. If you are atypical you need to figure out what works for you. My point is, take their advise but understand yourself. Be creative and focus on what works for you. Thanks for posting.

[@AwedByOdd]

All I could think of was Frank Sinatra singing, "I Did it My Way" Your timing is great as I've started to learn a new instrument! One thing I can get caught up in is comparing myself to others and thinking of how slowly or awkawrdly I'm learning compared to them. But you're right, we all have to do it our own way and at our own pace.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

OMG! Frank Sinatra singing, "I Did it My Way" ... that is what i should have titled to video!

[@k4lkimkii532]

Dude! I can relate to this so much! I’ve just looked at my guitar and thought ‘nope, not today’, but now I’m going to try 10 minutes and it’s okay if it doesn’t turn out right :) thank you

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I formed a band during covid. Wow! What a difference. I'm not doing scales daily but i'm playing a ton more. Thanks for posting.

[@SoneczKnote]

I have been struggling with learning the linear way with music. Even in music school after I graduated I learned more afterwards.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

During covid i formed a band with my neighbors. Wow! I'm still random but, i am learning in a more linear way. What is the key is it is fun. I'm practicing things i never thought i would cause it is more goal directed. Starting to get better. Thanks for posting.

[@maipad3186]

I heard a term "big picture learning" somewhere... that resonates with me the most personally... if I have a map in that sense... then I can learn linearly ... otherwise... yes...I completely go about rummaging for info like a house fly... lol

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I'm a big picture concept guy. If I have a structure i understand i can learn quickly. If not i'm lost in the dessert searching for water... ugh!

[@DaveE99]

Well you got to have a strategy to rummage that leads to an emerging outline that then you can direct

[@steven.silver]

I'm so all over the place with things I'm not naturally good at. nice video , it's validating, a lot of people don't get this

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Love it when people feel validated. thanks for watching.

[@DANStickerman]

Discovering new things re; my mind and behaviour is like John & Revelations in the Bible. This revelation actually chokes me up because of how my ADHD is shown in a positive light. -A 1000 Thank You's Mr. Copper, for sharing these Gems "so clearly". Our ADHD Tribe is blessed to have you on our side. -----Always looking forward to next video. HIGH5 from Niagara Falls Canada -Dan-0

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

High 5 back at ya from Tampa Fl!

[@GreenEmerald65]

Excellent video, as I am an artist and I am always told I should do things a certain way to learn. However, what works best for me and what's most enjoyable is drawing from imagination, and if something doesn't look right to me, I will go out and search for answers, as I now have the motivation to do so; otherwise, I can't be bothered, and I tend to learn nothing unless I go through trial and error. I just find it hard to study with traditional methods with ADHD. I tend to need to do things my own way, even if it's less efficient. In the end, it's a marathon, not a sprint. Everyone is different and needs breaks at different times. If you drop out of the race because you choose to buy new running shoes before the race that ended up being uncomfortable even though you really liked your old pair, it just emphasizes the importance of doing things that are most enjoyable to you. Find your own path; don't become a sheep to the master.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Love your post but want to poing something out. You say your process is less efficient. I was argue it isn't. You might judge it less efficient... but for your brain it is efficient... which is why you do it that way. What is this important? Because it removes emotional judgement that can be draining. If you own it... meaning that is the most efficient way for you then you are dealing with facts not emotional judgements... facts can set you free. Thanks for tuning in.

[@ASDbytheSea]

Doing some ADHD research for our ASD son - Thanks for sharing this 👍❤️

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

you bet!

[@jettman60]

Thanks for the info, I've been playing for a while to and know a lot but most of the time I feel like I'm all over the place and it's hard for me to completely learn a whole song because my mind wonders when I play repetition (verse, chorus, etc,..), so I end up somewhere else screwing around. I know a lot but get frustrated that I can't seem to keep my mind on point. Again thanks for the consideration of sharing your experience and trying to help others.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

It has been years since i did this video. I'm happy to report i've formed a band. WOW! it has helped. I'm excited. i practice things i never could before. It is also amazing how the other guitar play and i have helped each other. There are still things i struggle with or avoid but i still focus on what i like and i'm getting better.

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

Aw man, I really hate failing. I *really really really REALLY,* hate failing. And for some reason I never got over it no matter how much it happens. So this "failing forward" stuff has always worked against me.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Curious, how many things have you tried and aced it out of the box?

[@MiketheNerdRanger]

​@AttentionTalkVideo I wouldn't say "aced," but when I was a younger kid up to my late teens, a surprising amount of things came so incredibly easily. Mathematics (even though I hated it), playing the viola, the bass, drawing, I could probably go on. But guitar? Different story. People always said you're never good at anything right at the start, but for most of my young life, it never felt like that. It was all so easy. The year since I saw this video, I figured out that that's why I don't like to fail. I've never been sufficiently navigated through it because nonone ever felt the need to do so.

[@miaoFoodNow]

Not enough Adhd sources available! Thank you for your videos.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

you are very welcome

[@craig7272]

Thanks for your video, been learning guitar for a few years now, but still a struggle with my ADHD brain. Sometimes in my lessons, my brain is like a slow dripping tap, where I can't access something really basic that feels like it is at the bottom of the ocean, and other times I feel like I have a fire hydrant of thoughts flowing. I'm sure my guitar teacher thinks I have a twin brother that attends some of my lessons.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

LOL! I can relate to your post.

[@gerardmcnally]

Jeff, thank you, this is me. Had guitars/equipment since I was 13 (Now 66) I'm forever watching How to KZbin videos on playing songs, then do nothing with it. My gear is now set up, have I touched it, No. Yet, I can play lots of chords. I will listen to a song and think, Yes, I think I can play a lot of that, then I forget the song and how it goes, it's been driving me mad for decades !!!!!

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

so since i did this video my journey has come along. New neighbor moved who plays the drums (self taught). we started jamming together. What a blast. Found another neighbor who plays guitar. He joined in... OMG! Learning so much from each other. The big transition for me was i ran into a video talking about playing Hallelujah (from shrek)... he played it on rhythm guitar then showed how to pick note by note in a row of a cord... real simple (it starts in the cord of C)... pick the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 3 rd, 4th, 5th... then same thing for the next cord Am. been doing that to relax... i'm getting it and not starting to pick notes on cords how ever i please... wow... i'm kinda getting it. Again learning it in a way that works for me. Hoping somehow this posts gets your creative juices flowing. thanks

[@PoisonCdr]

Kansas - Dust in the wind A great song that got me deeper into guitar playing many years ago that I always encourage people to learn it and now I see how relatable it can be to Adhd...

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

cool. i'll check it out.

[@martiuscastle]

Excellent point. I do get bored when I try to go by the book, and the little I know came kind of randomly.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Booya!!!

[@hackedtechnothief]

Mr Copper Thank you for all of this. I don't know if this mught help but I'm a kinetic learner. Meaning I have to do things to learn, but if I'm too visual or just read a lot, then the info. Doesn't stuck. I encourage ppl to try things out of their comfort zone as this helps with growth. You don't have to be good at it just try things out.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

You're welcome. Grateful you find value in what we do. I agree people should experiment around. When you find something that works stick with it. The more things you try the better the chance you'll stumble into an Aha!

[@journeytowellness7096]

Hey Jeff, great video as always! I have a couple questions for you. I’ve always wondered if you have ADHD yourself, and what made you decide to become something so specialized (and so rare at the time) as an ADHD coach? More along with the topic of the video, would you consider yourself musically/artistically “creative”? Perhaps enough to write/compose an original piece of music on the guitar, or do you mostly favor what I like to call “instrumental karaoke” and just learn how to play music created by someone else? I ask about your guitar playing and creativity because, when I was in high school, I was absolutely ENTHRALLED with playing guitar! With a little help from some friends giving me pointers and letting me borrow their guitars, I taught myself to play using tabbleture instead of sheet music. Once I got my own guitar, it NEVER left my side and I would play every chance I could get. I became known as the “guitar guy” at my school. However, in spite of all those years of CONSTANTLY playing, learning the chords, I never was able to “create” my own music. I just find it funny (in a resentful kinda way) how even though I have ADHD, which has practically become synonymous with and known for abundant creativity, I possess none. Even though I had such unbridled passion for playing guitar, even though I “looked creative”, what with carrying my guitar everywhere I went and playing it all the time, I just lack the supposed “ADHD creativity gene”. I was wondering if you could relate to this?

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

"instrumental karaoke"... that's me! Like you i didn't learn sheet music. I focus on rhythm guitar and cord progressions. I've never tried to write a song... maybe i should. Seems to be pick a key... use a I, IV, V cord progression, a strumming pattern and try words on a trial error fashion to see if something clicks might be a methodical way to be creative. On the creative thing... there is some research that suggest those with ADHD might be more creative but the difference is small. Of course how do you measure creativity... right. Bottomline don't assume you are supposed to be creative if you have ADHD... if you are it might only be in a certain context. Yes i have ADHD. In my world... in my opinion my dyslexia... it the big challenge. Reading is agonizingly difficult... writing sucks (which is why i do radio and video). The spacial aspect of dyslexia is useful but it makes learning intense. Keep the faith. P.S. I'm thinking G, C, D on a 1 2 + 3 + 4...

[@michellewright99]

Great comment. I would say loom at other aspects of your life and see if you are creative there. Some people draw, or can intuitively combine ingredients for a delicious meal, or just know how to build things or fix thing or arrange furniture and decor. Some people can naturally figure out how to diffuse conflict with people. There are lots of ways to be creative. And I never learned to play guitar, so congratulations to you for sticking with it and reaching the competence level that you have. You can bring great enjoyment to people by playing existing songs. And there's possibly no better compliment for a songwriter than for someone to *want to* sing/play their song! I can play a little piano, but I only learned one or or two full songs. Never stuck with it. I can play melodies by ear and also compose original music, but *playing* it is a challenge. I used to feel bad about it. But it is what it is. If I decide to really work on it, I can improve.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

@@michellewright99 I agree with you... further... some can be creative with math or building processes or keeping kids minds occupied and more. Creativity can manifest in many different ways. I love how you are not caught up in who you are not but accepting of it is what it is. Thanks for taking the time to post.

[@julesgiddings8747]

Jeff thanks for the video. Its funny I bought a guitar recently and it sits there gathering dust, I'm a big rock music fan and I've always wanted to play but as soon as I pick a guitar up I seem to get bored. I typed in to Google, 'Learning the guitar with ADHD' and your video came up! I get angry with myself because I feel as though I should have been a musician but my short attention span has prevented me from doing so..instead I have an addiction towards buying vinyl LPs!

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I've coached lots of people who play, wanted to play, or were going to music school. All struggle with the boredom of practice. Everyone is different but those who manage to practice are those who don't just will themselves through it. They play with others, play along with a song they like, or practice in groups. For the most part try and find what works for you. Lately i found a singing partner. They like to practice singing and thus we practice together. Its fun where as practicing by myself almost never happens.

[@julesgiddings8747]

AttentionTalkVideo sorry for the slow reply. Willing myself to play the guitar is agonising literally. I need to do it differently and maybe learning with someone else could be what I need. Certainly a teacher wold be good! Thanks 🙂🙏

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

@@julesgiddings8747 I found someone who like to sing. we have been practicing together. I do scales for them to warm up to then we rehearse a song set we are trying to learn. What was boring is now fun!

[@joshuaemerson1980]

I love to play music! I started on the drums because my short attention span. I really like the way guitar sounds but it's really hard for me to learn, over a 20 year period I learned chords and scales but learning songs is still really hard for me and then practicing them enough to play with other musicians feels so hard I eventually put music aside. When I get evaluated for ADHD diagnosis is it okay to call this lack of ability to practice because of not being able to sustain my focus an impairment? I don't want to come across as drug seeking and I don't need to play music to survive but it's one of my favorite hobbies. At least it was when I was younger and had a bunch of free time to fail forward.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I've played (hacked around wiht guitar) for almost 25 years. I've struggled with it all. It is the only thing that has ever been in my life that i suck at. That said, i formed a band during covid... practicing with the group (we are all misfits) has really helped. Best part is watching others make mistakes... makes failing forward easier. Thanks for posting.

[@TheNerdyPengwin]

💯 I feel like I'm always waiting for things to click. I want to learn my scales so I can understand the music theory that I enjoy a lot. I am starting to learn about how music connects to human emotions. The 3rd and 5th and 7th of a chord, etc. One day it'll all come together. I might be 80 by then though hahah

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I hear you... what helped me was finding someone who could explain things in a way i understood them. Also, what helped me was tring to figure out a melody by ear. For some reason triad helped. Keep plugging. Thanks for watching my channel.

[@DaveE99]

Inquiry based learning vs explicit learning and practice. Inquiry based learning means theirs a dopamine squirt after every question you ask and answer.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

interesting thought... thanks!

[@DaveE99]

@@AttentionTalkVideo yeah it just helps to have some mental model of how science fits together between areas and top theories and systemic meta reviews meta reviews and studies and key terms and from there you can question till you can iteratively create your own map you will have to go through a constantly cycle of question learning + self reflect on where we are and how best to move forward and then back to questioning and also it is good to go through books on a topic at times because like I researched the heck out of gardening and the single thing I missed was fungal gnats, wtf!! So basically just skimming through a book for the stuff we missed after can be useful

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

@@DaveE99 context is exceptionally helpful!

[@ssimms8995]

Ive been a musician for all of my life. Decade of piano lessons, 7 years of violin, i majored in it, and self taught any instrument i ciukd get my hands on. But linear progress is impossible for me! My current crutch on the bass guitar is that i cant develop finger speed and improv since i cant deal with the repetition of learning and practicing scales and the slow building progress. I just jump from what is fun. I have learned the slap bass technique while i dont even know the notes on the fretboard. I can only read tabs, but i can tap and slap😂. I hate that i skip the basics for the fun stuff since i know it is not the best way to learn and it hurts my technique, but it is so hard to keep my interest in learning the fundamentals

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Wayne Gretsky once said you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. That said, you won't learn music if you don't do it. My point is... if you do what is of interested in music you are doing it. That is better than doing nothing. BTW, i recently bought a bass guitar... i feel your pain.

[@TheADHDGuitarguy]

Currently I am researching stuff to talk about on my channel relating to guitar players and adhd and I came across this video. I got alot of valuable information in the short 6 mins. I was curious if you found it easier if you had a friend with you vs trying to practice by yourself

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

definatly with complementry people!!!! Thrilled you enjoyed the video.

[@thecolorfulnut4430]

I would like to expand with you more regarding this topic, this the way I’ve always been learning and studying with but my only issue that I have a problem regulating and utilizing it in an organized or known pattern so that i can use it for the next stage.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Look back at your successes. I'm pretty sure there is a pattern to it. The key is to look for situational differences... or things that are common on all your successes. Examples would be... studying with sound in the background in a dark place with only a lamp.... or talking in a group to get clarity and then processing off on your own... or finding someone who can help you understand the bigger picture via metaphor before you absorb the details.

[@Podcastforthewin]

I wonder if the reason i play games that are more sandbox, and open world more often is because i find it hard to focus on games that have a linear path. Same goes for guitar with me… ive been playing since i was 13 or 14, but i just tuned 41, and i still find i cant seem to focus on learning an entire song.. i wish there was something i could do

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

when you say focus on an entire song are you finger picking or strumming? I'm guessing finger picking. Just my perspective... many (myself included) play the cord progressions and embelish them ad hoc... wagon wheel is four cords G, D, Em, C over and over again. For me just doing that makes it easy and fun. Hoping something in these comments speaks to you. thanks for tuning in.

[@ilearnguitar25]

trying to learn guitar before I graduate in 2025. gonna watch videos until I clean my room then start playing.

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

Booya! Be patient... it can take a bit till your fingers do what they need to do without thinking.

[@Alex14751]

My favorite Guitarist is a Mark Tremonti So after years of being inspired of his music and dreaming of owning one of his Guitars. So I got a 2018 PRS TREMONTI SE [Charcoal Burst] I said all that to say I'm a very beginner lol. But what I'm noticing is that my short patience with ADHD I just can't learn even though I want to. I'm more of a tactile learner [ because my learning disability] and in my 8 years of choir of grade school I could never pass the exam cause I couldn't read notes but yet learned by ear. Lol. When I'm trying to practice i just get more short tempered. [ I'm really struggling] my way of learning is from PC Rocksmith 2014

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

I and others can related to your frustration. Here is my experience and thoughts. Music is challenging cause there is a lot of really boring crap you have to learn/become proficient at before the magic happens... UGH! My journy started with learning a few cords from a roomate and trying along to simple Jimmy Buffett songs... then 20 years later... i took 5 lessons... ugh. It was overwhelming in terms of so much tedious practe and learning... so back to banging out cords to songs i would play along with. Then came the pandemic. Found a friend who could sing.. they would sing as i play cords to simple songs... found a drummer. Then i remember some of the music theroy books i barely read 20 years ago. Picked them up and looked at them. Found another hack guartarist boom we have a band. We started jamming... wow, i found myself wanting to play scales... boom youtube... people would demonstrate how to play songs.. monkey see monkey do. Finaly i could play recognizible songs. I wanted more. Started playing around thinking cord/melody. Long story short and to my surprise i started hacking around... it takes time but i'm finding i can figure our melodies on my own. Starting to add bass notes to struming with a melody note here and there. now it is getting FUN... 35 years after i started... i mean really fun. I know you are frustrated but i encourage you to consider learning to play based on bouncing all over the place... and if possible find other hacks to do it with. I've learned a ton from my other band members who... other than our keyboardist have never had a lesson. Note you have to be 59 or older to be in out band! Keep the faith.

[@Alex14751]

@AttentionTalkVideo I Guess it doesn't help lol trying to learn Mark Tremonti music who's basically a Master Class level

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

@@Alex14751 LOL! noting like making a hard thing harder. Do your best to just have fun with things and be patient (like that is easy right).

[@penprobar4889]

Thank you

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

You're welcome

[@thimovijfschaft3271]

That intro feels very mid 00s

[@AttentionTalkVideo]

the video mist be very mid 00s the concept is still relevent. thanks for tuning in