Adidas Takumi Sen 9 vs Adidas Adios 8

[@ronaldmcdo5516]

Bought the Adios 8 and I'm liking them so far

[@SagasuRunning]

Awesome!

[@bodhisattwadasgupta5317]

One of the finest reviews I have come across. Crystal clear, data driven and to the point. Thank you.

[@SagasuRunning]

I appreciate the feedback and hope this was useful. 🤙🏻

[@TannerChung]

Exactly the video I was looking for. Thanks for making the review!

[@SagasuRunning]

I hope it was helpful!

[@TimGrose]

Interesting thoughts. I agree the Adios 8 & Takumi Sen 9 although seemingly serving a similar purpose feel quite different. I did a HM training run in the Adios 8 on Sunday and was a great choice for what turned out to be mainly a road run but had some dry firm trails as well. Perhaps pushing its boundaries a bit but legs weren't too bad and I would have found that run in any shoe far from a breeze. I have only worn the Sen 9 once for a short road interval session but even on a very small bit of "trail" afterwards and indeed a road warm up it felt like a shoe that, as you said, was really just for going fast on the road. I will give it another go later today and maybe swop to the Adios 8 halfway through. Our paces are actually pretty similar. Of the 3 that have just got - Boston 12, Adios 8, Takumi Sen 9 I think I am liking the Adios 8 the most but the Sen 9 fits my narrow long feet well and although the Adios 8 is a little more generous it is still very much an adidas "racing" type fit. Boston 12 on the other hand is really too wide for me. I can press my thumb down next to my toes as well as over them. So good for length but really wants a wider foot than mine. Thankfully adidas are now doing my "TTS" UK 13.5/US 14 but I feel the Adios 8 is the first one since the Adios 1 (well the 1st Boost one) that is likely to be my uptempo "mixed terrain" shoe.

[@i.p2088]

I am kind of afraid to take a low stack shoe like the Adios 8 on a long road run.. I think 8k will be OK but anything more my legs will be done afterwards? I do think it will be very good for mixed road and gravel runs because it will be stable on gravel and the impact on the body is not that high when not on tarmac.

[@SagasuRunning]

Ya, so much overlap (depending on the runner) between them. But the A8 is the better all-a rounder, which should be no surprise given it’s heritage. I’ve watched your foot and sizing drama for a while. I feel lucky to have size 9 US feet they are neither narrow nor overly wide with normal arches. But the TS9 does give me width problems over 5-6k. I’m not sure if I’m going to bother with the Boston 12. I still am mostly a Nike runner and have some Asics options for daily/tempo work as well. Adidas are best when they are race shoes and firm (relatively speaking in 2023). Plus I still can't forgive Adidas for what they did to the Boston 9.

[@TimGrose]

@@i.p2088 I think like anything running if you do something radically different could cause issues. Whenever I do HM training runs, especially outside a marathon block, it is hard on the legs in anything. With the Adios 8, my first run in them was 9 miles so at least I knew what I was likely to be getting as it were.

[@QronoZ713]

​@@TimGrose Tim, did you like the Boston 9? Do you think the Adios 8 would be a good replacement? Haven't tried any I like as of yet.

[@SagasuRunning]

@QronoZ713 The A8 has Boston 9 vibes… for sure… but it’s not exactly a replacement in feel. The A8 does have the versatility and range of the Boston 9 for sure.

[@gtromble]

Just picked up Adios 8 on a great sale. I'm looking forward to running in it, as I like responsive and direct shoes. Enjoyed your analysis.

[@SagasuRunning]

I’ve been running in the Adios 8 quite a bit lately. They really are an incredible shoe. Very underrated. Enjoy them! Thank you for the support! 🤙🏻

[@justalarvitar3411]

I’ve done many PR 10ks in the A8 And even a fartlek 12k in the A8 Honestly really love the low stack height, very refreshing and has a controlled feel. It’s like a stripped down supershoe with just the DNA 🧬 I like the stability on cornering on these even on terrain 🔥

[@SagasuRunning]

The Adios 9, later this year, should continue this even more so. The Adios series has always been great, but it is good to see it get the updates it deserves lately.

[@Runner_fatih]

Güzel yorumlar. Teşekkür ederiz. Umarım kanalınız daha da büyür. ❤

[@SagasuRunning]

Teşekkür ederim! 🙏🏻🤙🏻

[@TroySpringer11]

Still on the Adios 7 but checks out why I chose to run a 5k in the Sen but take Adios to the track.

[@SagasuRunning]

I’ll get a track workout in the Adios 8 next week. I’ll talk about it in my 50mile review. I’m excited to see how it feels there!

[@irepresentthepeople]

you're the best pure shoe reviewer. ed bud is more entertaining but when it comes to just shoe content you're the best

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. EdBud is a hard act to follow but I’m glad you find the content useful! 🤙🏻

[@hazbaloo]

Excellent review. I bought the Adios 8 exactly for the reason it's a traditional shoe with modern materials. The benefits I see is that I feel how i run, there' s no room for a slappy technique. It basically makes me run better. I also use Boston 12 and Adios pro 3 and I must say that Adios 8 is a very important shoe for speedwork. I'm an older runner, used to traditional shoes and the Adios 8 forces me back to running with my absolutely best technique. An awesome shoe.

[@SagasuRunning]

One of the best comments I’ve ever seen on this channel. I fully agree with you. Wait until you see the Adios 9. It’s even better!

[@hazbaloo]

@SagasuRunning I'm really looking forward to the Adios 9.

[@SagasuRunning]

You and me both!

[@mfcc1084]

For me, the Takumi Sen 9 is a pure speed trainer. I find it hard to run at a slow pace in it. It absolutely shines at speedier efforts. The Adios 8 is a bit similar to the Takumi 9 but it somehow can accomodate my foot at slower paces. This makes the Adios 8 a more versatile shoe. In my opinion, these two shoes complement the Adios Pro 3.

[@SagasuRunning]

Agree, fully. The Adios 8 is definitely the more versatile shoe here and a great training companion to the AP3. That looks as if it will only get better with the A9 + AP4.

[@runfrankfurt]

I have the Takumi Sen 8 and the Adios 8 and I prefer the Adios 8 overall for any type of scenario. I am a fairly lightweight forefoot to midfoot runner. The Takumi Sen 8 midsole is too narrow for me and combined with a floppy heel counter, makes the ride very unstable putting a lot of strain on my achilles and calf muscle. I also do not feel like the Takumi is giving me any benefit to propel me forward. The Adios, once you get going faster on your forefoot where the Lightstrike Pro is, feels great under foot and makes running fast very easy, the overall fit is a lot better for me, hence I enjoy the Adios a lot more and it is now my preferred fast day shoe.

[@SagasuRunning]

I agree fully with your thoughts… the Adios 8 is a wonderful shoe all around!

[@livegreatalways]

I think your review is spot on. But I'm still on Takumi Sen 8 and adios 6. But the reviews still apply. Just came back from a run sprinkled with multiple strides, wow...the adios felt like pop...pop...pop...I'm amazed (it's been a while I last took them out for a spin 😂). Tq

[@SagasuRunning]

Definitely some great training stimulus out there in simpler shoes like the Adios series (even though shoe can be simpler still). Wait until you try the Adios 8… it’s very good… in the running for shoe of the year thus far for me.

[@01lsw]

Hey, I love this video. Super helpful, especially you have just told me what I am lack of in my current rotation. Feel regret to buy the Sen 9. Wish I have watched your video earlier. I am going to check out Adizero 8. I got the old model which I wore them to train my speed workout for three or four years - absolutely love it! Now I don’t know what to do with my Takumi Sen 9 as I don’t have any 5K race to run. I’m a road runner and a marathoner like you.

[@SagasuRunning]

The TS9 is a great shoe, but it's use case is very narrow. You own it now so use it for a hard interval workout once in a while or maybe try a 5k time-trial in it to see where your pace stands. Shoes are tools and you can learn alot rotating through different ones.

[@TimGrose]

PS for my latest video I did my own version of your comparative workout by doing half of my 15 400m road reps in the Sen 9 (as well as an 8 min 10K pace effort to start) and then switching to the Adios 8 to complete the 400s. Not a very scientific test I admit but, like you I found little or no significant difference in the times and indeed my fastest ones were in the Adios 8 but I might have been trying a bit harder towards the end. I did wonder whether I am more used to the more "traditional" 8mm drop in the Adios 8 compared to the lower drop in the Sen 9 which although lighter felt just a bit slappy and a just a bit unstable although was definitely better when "trying" than say in the warm up. I agree the Adios 8 is the better bet (well at least so far) as a fast training shoe and also I feel it is going to be a lot better for some fastish work on dry firmish trails/off road - a use case I used to often do in previous Adios.

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m out and about today but have been dying to watch your video. I will when I get home in an hour or so. As far as a workout shoe… it’s really no comparison, the A8 is the better choice (also as I said I don’t like to do workouts in plated shoes). But as a short race the TS9 may be the fastest shoe out there… if you have the form and strength for it… otherwise a VF3 is going to be faster for most. For longer tempo training… I think there are better options than the TS9, especially the longer you go. The TS9 is a great shoe… but it just gets more and more niche. I’m curious what Adidas does with the TS10. Given the true TS8/9 is what’s left over form the AP2… I expect a fresh direction for the shoe. Like the Boston 12 got.

[@nicorivera8535]

Great to hear again that the TS9 is a blazingly fast shoe for 5K and down. I’m still afraid to put my feet in them though. The narrow fit (Sen 8) was almost a nightmare for my extra wide feet. But I’d be lying if I didn’t sing praise for its midsole - an addicting pop that just goes and goes.

[@SagasuRunning]

I can’t imagine trying to wear them with a wide foot. I have a fairly normal foot and never complain about shoes being narrow… but the TS9 is narrow!

[@danilomuniz877]

very good video! Cogratulations!

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@Hana_shorts8436]

Wow.. thanks for the video... love it!

[@SagasuRunning]

I hope this answered your question from the last video.

[@madrunning8402]

Great review! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you! 🤙🏻

[@randychann0707]

i have Takumi sen 8 and it is my favorite shoe, fast and comfort! but not so stable(still great)❤

[@SagasuRunning]

It’s definitely fast. That is for sure!

[@tonyvu9459]

Great video, thanks! Now to wait for the adios 8 discounts hue hue hue

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you! 🙏🏻 Knowing Adidas… discounts will be so.

[@yalokim5264]

Great comparison. Now, having just purchased TS9 I'll likely stay away from new Adios or Boston. Next year? Who knows - TS10 may be much better, just like A8 is a great step forward 👍 What I am missing in comparison like this is a value cost aside. I always value features first, then the price... is bringing me back to earth 😂

[@SagasuRunning]

I agree the TS10 should be a big change. The shoe is due for a complete redesign. So something to look forward too. The A8 definitely is an exciting direction. As for price… I very intentionally don’t talk about it. I only briefly will mention it as well. The reason is cost is subjective. What I personally think is an ok price or is good value for money may not be for someone else. I am actually sort of planning a video about why I don’t talk about it to give more clarity.

[@OSUCarol]

@@SagasuRunning and with Adidas - also Nike and Saucony to an extent, at least in the US - the shoes are constantly going on sale! TS9 has been down around $108 lately, and even the Adios Pro 3 has been around $150. I think when the sales are that frequent, you really can sit and wait (not even that long) and pick based on your preferences.

[@SagasuRunning]

Those sales are due to end of model year. The AP4 should be coming out (if we are getting one) by July. I haven’t seen or heard anything about a TS10… but we will likely see one in the fall. Also Adidas is in bad shoe right now due to the Yeezy drama… so it’s rather desperate for cash. Nike has end of model year sales now too. Not sure about Saucony as I don’t follow them at all.

[@yalokim5264]

​​@@SagasuRunningyes, you are right. I've heard more about the price than there actually was. That must've been me hearing my own past thoughts evaluating Adios 7 vs Takumi Sen 8. Back then TS8 looked a far better option than the A7, even at the extra cost. Now I see your point - A8 is a winner. Lower cost is a bonus. What will TS10 bring to win back? 🤔 I guess not much - it will remain a niche shoe. While it looks like Adios have turned from a race flat to a valuable versatile training/ racing shoes.

[@morpheuslaughing]

You summed up my thoughts perfectly. All the rave is over Takumi but that steep price tag is a big turn off. Would rather get something just as good thats more realistically affordable

[@SagasuRunning]

… and much more versatile as a training AND racing tool. 🤙🏻

[@alphiu]

great video !

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@joakimtollerud2172]

Excellent vid. Subbed.

[@SagasuRunning]

I hope you find more value in my other content. Thank you for the support. 🤙🏻

[@matejburian3191]

Absolutely love your hard work behind these videos, really apreciate it! I have question Im focusing on 5k/10k races with pb 17:45/37:15 so not the fastest nor the slowest, I PB in my Asics Noosa 14 which I like, do think that Adios 8 would be a nice step forward for me? (I dont evem consider TS9 because of my wider feet) the Stack height are similar in both Noosa and Adios but the foam should be better in Adidas, what do you think

[@SagasuRunning]

The Adios 8 is going to feel much “flatter” than the Noosa… it has s a much more traditional geometry. However Lightstrike Pro is a much better foam than anything Asics uses, including FFTurbo (which I like) so the Adios 8 is going to feel much more dynamic. I’m not sure if it’s an upgrade… but as a dedicated 5/10k racing flat it should feel quite nice. Thank your kind words and support. I always happy to know of my content is useful. 🤙🏻

[@TheCyclingCardio]

I have the Takumi Sen 8…picked it on a discount…great fast shoe with 2 major gripes for me: 1st, It has a generous toe box - in comparison with Adios 7 - which is great..but narrow MID foot area..which is not so great..2nd problem is the upper need a meticulous tweaking of the lace to get a proper mid foot lock down…combined together, it result in major problem: if I skimp on the homework of locking my right mid foot, my right foot will act as if it over pronate and collapse medially with every stride..something I have never experience in my other shoe before…I have use Old adizero adios 2, Adios boost 2, adios boost 3, Skechers gomeb 2, asics sortie magic, Mizuno wave ekiden..all neutral racing flats, but never had such problem before…but if I get the lockdown properly, this shoe fly and bounce, very easy to pick up both cadence and stride..i hope the new last like on Adios 8 works for me

[@SagasuRunning]

Wow. I’ve never heard anyone describe any part of the upper of the Takumi Sen 8/9 as generous. It’s got that traditional Adidas long and very narrow last. Per your issue… I would say it’s the higher and firmer platform of the TS, compared to the shoes you are coming from. Lightstrike Pro is a firm foam and it gives the sensation of always being under your foot, or you being up on a platform of foam. So if you don’t get the lockdown right… you’ll feel that even more. I did notice it a bit I. The TS9… but it’s something common on high stack super shoes. The Vaporfly, even though it’s much softer, has a very finicky midfoot lockdown and if you didn’t get it perfect you’d feel what you described. But once you get the lockdown right… it does feel apart of your foot due to the race fit upper and ultra lightweight. That’s why it’s such a great stripped down racer.

[@santwanmehta9045]

Another super video I need ur opinion, i m a new runner, just doing 5K or 10K.. . I m looking a pair for my fatster workouts, with wider toe box I checked ADIOS 8,It felt little tighter for my normal size, i went 1 size up and it was fine.. Now I m getting a good deal on TS 10 online..i m not able to try it at my local place, i know TS10 is narrower but if i go 1 size up,will it solve my purpose?? TS 10 looks fantastic shoes,the only reason i was avoiding was the size, so if i go one size up,will it solve purpoese for me.. Thank u again fo rthe repoy😊😊

[@SagasuRunning]

The TS10, even a size up, will still be much more narrow. Additionally, since it's technically a plated shoe...be careful going up in sizes unnecessarily. A plated shoe that is too larger will put the curve of the plate in the wrong point on your foot and feel very off. I have a few videos on the TS10, I go into more detail about the fit of the shoe there. I do recommend sizing up at least a half size from your normal in that shoe though. Sizing up in the Adios 8 is ok, if it fits better, as there is no plate.

[@jackkasperski2912]

Thanks for the great objective comparison. I would definitely favor the Adios 8. It appears to be more versatile and, gosh, race performance is ultimately up to the runner. I look forward to your comparison between the 8 and the Streakfly.

[@SagasuRunning]

Well said that race performance is up to the runner, not the shoes. Shoe are tools and can help… but ultimately it’s all on you as the runner. The Adios 8 really is something very good. Thanks for the kind words! 🙏🏻

[@jmac13131]

Good comparison. It would have been interesting to see HR data to go along with paces to see if there were any efficiency gains in the TS9 however I know running on different days so many factors can have an effect on HR. I personally am loving the TS9 I recently picked up. I have done two threshold runs and one short fast interval session and it has been really fun. The fit for my foot has been perfect after initially having some arch pain in my initial two mile warm up before the intervals but since then I have had no issues at all. I even ran three easy miles today after a tough 19 minute threshold run just because I enjoy running in the shoe and the threshold sessions tend to be shorter in duration. While I don’t have the Adios 8 yet, I do have the Adios 6 and it was a shoe I probably reached for less than half the time for threshold type runs prior to the TS9. The fit on the adios 6 is a bit roomy for my liking (although not necessarily the shoes fault as it is 1/2 size up) and I just prefer the bit of extra stack on the TS9. If I would have done todays threshold run in the adios 6 I wouldn’t have done the extra three miles because of the lack of cushioning and the fact that I land closer to the heel makes the adios a no go for easy paces. I will say I think the Adios when discounted is a great shoe to put in any rotation because it can be found for around $60 typically. Matter of fact, I bought the adios 6 at an adidas factory store for under $45 (with teacher discount) hence the reason I got 1/2 size up due to not having a 9.5 😊.

[@denitsakoeva9242]

I would also be interested in the HR data of these test runs. I run mostly 5k parkruns in the TS9, but I've also run a 10k race on a mixed asphalt and grass terrain, and I was happy how it helped me keep the pace when I got tired towards the end. I don't own another super shoe ( afraid of the stack hight of most of the super shoes), so I can't compare, but I love this one. It's springy, and the foam is not too firm nor too soft, perfect for my liking. It also looks very durable. 117km on it at the moment. This Sunday, I did a 20k in it as I consider the shoe for a HM race. And I loved it at slow pace for this run as well. I don't have the Adios 8 but I am interested in it as a work shoe. I'm a very light, forefoot landing runner, narrow foot and the lockdown of the TS9 works well for me though the tongue needs some playing with to be placed well. If I see the TS9 discounted at the price of the Adios 8, I'm getting the TS9.

[@SagasuRunning]

I don’t go by HR much anymore due to living in a sub-tropical environment. Both runs were done in 32c temps with high humidity. That being said the HR differences between the two runs was negligible. As I said in the video, I definitely favor the fit of the A8 and I “feel” more efficient in it. My cadence is also slightly higher over all in the A8 (around 182avg, where the TS9 is around 178avg). My RPE between the shoes is I felt like I was doing “less work” in the TS9 over the 1k, but in the shorter reps I didn’t feel much differences. Again, negligible. I think on a longer or harder workout where would be more differences… but on this mosh mash one it was very close, which is why I went my times only to discuss.

[@SagasuRunning]

@@denitsakoeva9242 It sounds like you’d really enjoy the A8 given your shoe preferences and where you run.

[@danielexcell-smith5488]

Just discovered your channel, this is a really nice comparison to see, love all the data to go behind the conclusions. I currently only run 5ks but I'm working up to eventually running marathons. I currently don't have the money to buy a proper marathon racing shoe, so do you think the adios is the right shoe to get for intervals while I work up the distance and save up the money for a racer?

[@SagasuRunning]

100% the right shoe, possible the best. You can do intervals, tempo and race in it + a decent amount of easy/daily running because it is so durable. You get good value for the price and a durable shoe that you can do a lot in and will build running durability in your legs and feet. Check out my first impressions video for more info on the Adios 8. Thank you for the kind words. I’m glad my content is useful! 🤙🏻

[@RWG0914]

Hello Mr.Sagasu I'm torn between the AP3 and Adios 8 I would like your opinion on which shoes would you prefer to run. Is it worth it to spend my money with the AP3 regardless of it's Upper issues?

[@SagasuRunning]

I like both, but they are very different purposes. The Adios 8 is an outstanding trainer and workout shoe… very durable and fun to run in, one of my top shoes of 2023. The AP3 is a marathon racer that is good for longer efforts in training, but is not very versatile beyond that. If you want a carbon shoe for racing for for the AP3, if you want a lower stack traditional shoe that can race shorter races (I’d be ok on it for 5-10ks, maybe a half) and is an excellent trainer… go for the A8.

[@tav4755]

Good talk. 👍

[@SagasuRunning]

Thank you. 🤙🏻

[@nicolasjimenezcabrera9729]

Very good video. Regarding the size of the Adizero Adios 8, if I wear a 43 1/3 in the Adizero Avanti TYO model (spike shoe), would you recommend the same size in these new Adizero Adios 8 or half a size more? Thanks for your attention.

[@SagasuRunning]

Honestly… I don’t know. I don’t know Adidas track spike sizing at all. Maybe someone else does though and reply. Sorry. I don’t even want to guess here as I know Adidas sizing is all over the place.

[@TimGrose]

@@SagasuRunning Lengthwise I feel adidas have finally sorted it and all the UK 13.5/US 14 pairs I have (Adios Pro 3, Prime X (not Strung), Adios 7/8, Boston 11/12, Takumi Sen 9) are the right length although all of them require some "fiddling" to get the lockdown I want. Not picked up any adidas spikes partly as rarely see my size and hard to see past a Dragonfly of which got 3 pairs for about 3 track races a year anyway :)

[@SagasuRunning]

Tim knows Adidas and sizing! Listen to Tim.

[@michelberaud4454]

For my upcoming Half Marathon, should I wear my Sen8 (only 43km) or the Boston 12 (70km)?

[@SagasuRunning]

Wear the one that is more comfortable and faster for you. Only you can know that. Both will do the job.

[@kenfromphilly752]

I just don't understand why these two shoes are being compared, Takumi Sen line are carbon racing flats for 5-10K etc while Adios 8 are tempo/track trainers for Adios Pro 3 (marathoner) or possibly a cheaper version of TS for racing.

[@SagasuRunning]

The end of your statement answered your own question. 🤙🏻

[@nealmimikos8606]

Do you think the Tacumi Sen would be great for 100m sprints? Looking for a really fast flat that is spikeless. Thanks.

[@SagasuRunning]

If you do them on the road… sure. Though the Adidas Adios 8 or the upcoming Adios 9 would be better option(s) and my recommendation. Also the Asics Hyper Speed 3 and the Saucony Sinister would also be valid flats for 100s on track or road.

[@khavu1794]

I do run sometimes but i don’t consider myself as a runner. I just want to find a pair that is lightweight and comfortable as much as it can. My question is should i buy the adios 8. Thank you so much 😊

[@SagasuRunning]

If you only run sometimes… they might be a little harsh. Definitely worth a try to see how you get on with them something like a New Balance 880 is lightweight and more comfortable though.

[@khavu1794]

@@SagasuRunning thank you so much for such a quick reply. Would you suggest any specific version or just the line up overall. Btw I just look it up and find a 880 V13 with the price is just about $60 at a store in my area. I’m going to try it out to see how it look and feel

[@SagasuRunning]

@@khavu1794 Which version were you asking about? The NB 880 v13 is likely on sale right now as the v14 is coming out this week. The v14 looks better but the 880 could be a great deal for that price if it is comfortable.

[@khavu1794]

@@SagasuRunning To be honest, I don’t really like the look of the v13 too. However with that price i should give it a try

[@SagasuRunning]

The v14 is a matter looking shoe. You may also like the 1080… but it’s a lot more foam.

[@vidadecorredora]

If I normally wear size 9 US women, what size would you recommend for the Adios 8? Would size 8.5 work for me maybe?

[@SagasuRunning]

Go TTS. I wear a size 9 US Men’s in everything and the Adios 8 was no different for me. Also when you look on Adidas’s site make sure the shoe you are looking at has a W at the end of it. That will be the unique woman’s size (though I think the last is the same as men’s).

[@vidadecorredora]

Thank you very much for your quick response. I recently bought some Boston 12s in my usual size and I feel like they were a little big in the toe area.@@SagasuRunning

[@SagasuRunning]

@@vidadecorredora I only tried the B12 on in the store… and I also would have gone TTS… though the Adios 8 has a better fit. It’s not quite as long as the B12 is.

[@vidadecorredora]

Thank you very much for your honest opinion. I think it will be very helpful in making my decision.@@SagasuRunning

[@SagasuRunning]

@@vidadecorredora Good luck! 🤙🏻

[@bluesque9687]

Hi! I got a question: should we go half a size up in TS9 from Adios 8?

[@SagasuRunning]

I went the same size, TTS, in both…

[@bluesque9687]

@@SagasuRunning Thanks

[@ashishsalunke781]

Which one is best for 1600M race? TS9 or Adios 8?

[@SagasuRunning]

The TS10 is going to have the edge at this distance on the road. The rods are going to really be the differentiator. Anything short, road or track, I'd say whichever is more comfortable though.

[@i.p2088]

I need the upper of the Adios 8 and midsole of the Takumi sen 9.. Maybe I already have it in the Pro 3 😎

[@TimGrose]

More of it for sure!

[@SagasuRunning]

Nope… the AP3 has a dismal upper… but if the AP4 has an upper similar to the A8… I may just be racing that shoe in NYC this fall… over the VF3. 🤞🏻

[@TimGrose]

@@SagasuRunning The AP3 took me about 5 runs for the lace tension to remain largely as I wanted it. Think have finally dialled it in. I had to stop mid run with the Adios 8 the other day as despite doing a double knot they had worked very loose. adidas use very "cheap" laces which are at least very light but equally have no "tech" built in to help in such matters.

[@TimGrose]

A lot of sizing issues I see in adidas are not length but width. With seemingly most runners having "wide" feet now as that is why all shoes are seemingly getting wider LOL (well Sen 9 aside) then I think runners often size up for more width. Difference in effective width of say a Boston 12 and Takumi Sen 9 is marked but length wise don't feel are any different for me. Spikes are very likely going to feel relatively narrow and largely designed to be worn sockless so likely to "feel" smaller anyway.

[@SagasuRunning]

@@TimGrose Adidas's laces are a joke. I didn't mention them in the A8 First Impressions or this video because I've already complained about them endlessly on my other Adidas videos. Oddly, I had one run in the A8 where I had to retie the laces, from a double knot. Something I can't remember having to do on any other shoe, Adidas or otherwise.

[@macoyupadoodle]

Great video again . I have the 8, and i think the Takumi is the best for what it is (a modern interpretation light traditional runner) for me, that is . Maybe the Adios 8 might be faster due to the siffer mid as there is not that much sink/compression and just rolls you more efficiently (just a guess)? But how do your legs feel after (which is less jarring on the body)?

[@SagasuRunning]

Agree..the TS8/9 is a great take on a modern racing shoe...for sure. I’m still mainly a Nike runner and prefer ZoomX bouncy over LSP spring… but I will say that after the workout I referenced in the video… my legs and feet were toast from the TS9… but after the A8 they were just fine. I find the TS9 pretty brutal to run in… a problem I don’t get in the AP3 or the A8 (yet?). Thank you for the kinda words!

[@anarghanandiwardhana7148]

so you saying that TS9 is narrower than adios 8? how about compare to zoomfly or streakfly?

[@SagasuRunning]

Yes, it’s narrower than all of the shoes you mentioned.

[@lauchongkiat52]

Hi , appreciate if u could help me on this Normally im on size us9 which is 27cm for my pegasus nike and i believe peg40 also fit me well with us9 27cm size I would like to ask that ur sizing for peg40 and takumi sen9 do run same sizing? Thx you

[@SagasuRunning]

I’m also a US size 9 (27cm) and wear a 9 (27cm) in all the shoes you mentioned. The Peg 39/40 fit the same, thought the Peg 40 has a slightly better fitting upper with a little more room in the forefoot. My TS9 is a size 9 (27cm) and fits fine for an older Adidas shoe fir. The TS9 is very narrow and a little long, but going up half a size made it feel too big and sloppy. It’s a race fit and should be tight…. I hope this helps.

[@lauchongkiat52]

@@SagasuRunning first of all really thx for the reply , your reply really very helpful for me , look like i will be going to get true to size for takumi sen9 For adidas pro 3 , is that ur 27cm us9 too? Because i only have a chance to try the ap3 , and i found 27cm the toe box have plenty of room , i do try the us8.5 which is 26.5cm , it fit well but worry for over long distance may cause blister 😅

[@SagasuRunning]

@@lauchongkiat52 I wear US 9 (27cm) in all my shoes. The AP3 has a much more generous upper, especially in the forefoot, over the TS9. But the AP3 is a little shorter than the TS9. If you’ve not watched my AP3 video…I’d suggest you watch it. I go into the upper and fit extensively. Also I do have a little more TS9 content coming…

[@lauchongkiat52]

@@SagasuRunning that great , anyway really thx for ur humble reply and it really help me alot 💪💪💪

[@SagasuRunning]

@@lauchongkiat52 happy to help!

[@leszekmitura2517]

Can a pronator train in these shoes?(Takumi Sen9,10 or Adios 8)

[@SagasuRunning]

I wouldn’t recommend the Takumi Sen, especially the 10. It has no support on the medial side and will encourage your pronation. The Adios 8 will be ok as it’s so low to the ground.

[@leszekmitura2517]

@@SagasuRunning Thank you very much for your answer. I'm looking for a fast shoe for interval training. As a person with a slight tendency to pronate, I have a problem finding such fast shoes. All racing shoes are designed for a neutral foot and it's hard to know what to choose. However, I was thinking about Adidas Adios 8 and I think I will decide to choose this model.

[@SagasuRunning]

The Adios 8 will be your best bet here. You may also want to check out the Asics Hyper Speed 4 (or the 3). Non plated workout shoes that are not super high and should work for what you are looking for.

[@leszekmitura2517]

@@SagasuRunning I made up my mind and chose Adidas Adios 8. I'm now waiting for the order. Thank you again for your help

[@bsmoov7]

How do you think the Adios will fare on tempos as compared to shorter intervals?

[@SagasuRunning]

It’s great for interval work. I’ve done 200s, 400s and 1-3min repeats. It excels at those. I’ve done some 3k repeats at MP and they do a good job and I feel good training effect… but I do think a carbon plated shoe (like a VF3 or AP3) is better for that.

[@garymanders1273]

Just picked a pair of Takumi sen for £76.50 at this price and being a guy that weighs 90kg ill take it any day over the Adios..not enough shoe for me

[@SagasuRunning]

If it works for you. Between these two I still pick the Adios 8. Though the current TS10 wins over either.

[@Sesha-q9y]

Using adios 8, my heal skin got peeled off in 2 runs itself (had bleeding).The heal support is non existent and the rubber rubs with your skin causing this, Disappointed

[@SagasuRunning]

The Adios 8 is definitely not a great shoe for heel strikers and Adidas heel counters are usually rough on that area. Those two things tougher make it a hard shoe for some.