I’m hearing Sept lately…

Thank you. One more coming on the SL2 and then SB2 stuff will start in a week or two…

My focus is reviewing things I’m interested in. If a brand wants to support me and work with me then great. If not. I’ll still review what interest me. Working with brands gives me better access but won’t change what I want to cover. Influencer is a blanket term now. I think one can give objective reviews without falling into the “influencer” rabbit hole. Maybe I’ve being naive but I was in the corporate world a long time and know professionalism and have expectations for my own conduct and those I work with, brands and otherwise.

I had very good wear in the Pegasus 39/40 outsole, but the Invincible 3 outsole was mixed. The waffles wore down quickly but after than it was solid.

Nope. The Vomero 17 is a cushioned volume trainer…. Nowhere near a performance trainer. It compares with the Supernova Rise.

When it’s time to replace the Peg40s the 41 will be a great upgrade. The Pegasus Plus and Vomero Plus (Invincible 4) will be the Nike releases to watch this year. Thank you for the kind words on the content. 🤙🏻

Use of graphene in a midsole foam with raise costs nearly exponentially and is unnecessary. In the outsole compounds it could be useful. I carbon lattice could work to strengthen the rods, it could also be applied to control the stiffens and flex properties of the midsole...but would be complicated and costly to produce at scale.

More snug...stay tuned for my next video, SL2 vs VN3.

I'm glad they work for you. They were enjoyable to run in for slow easy running, until this issue.

Every year I hear how much better the Peg Trail foam is...every year I try it i find it to be not good. I haven't bought the Peg Trail 5 yet, likely won't, but even if the foam is "nicer"...running in a Peg Trail on the road is definitely not.

The React foam and the outsole were tuned softer for winter conditions. It's well known React hardens in the cold. The non-GTX versions are not as nice. ReactX is softer, but feels more squishy less direct.

Yup… this is true. TPU foams really react to extremes in temperature.

​​@@SagasuRunningI was talking about GTX and walkers and light runners have different kind of view from those serious runners:)

Personal preference here for sure. 🤙🏻

It’s so quintessential Nike now that it’s never going away in this shoe. I don’t love them but generally they aren’t in your face either, for me at least. The Pegasus Plus will not have them… but also it’s not react/x….

Yes…. This is the way. I don’t come from that background but well aware. Japanese pros and elites also do the same thing. This is on reason I trained in Pegs for so many years. The Peg41 is killer for hill reps!

@@SagasuRunning People hating on the Pegasus just don't see that whole other demographic of athletes that use the shoe. They keep wanting to change the Peg. I say try doing plyometrics and agility drills on a Novablast 4 vs Pegasus maybe people would understand why the Pegasus is the way it is.

Preach…. Preach. Hallelujah! 🖤

@@user-xx5oo7mj4uIt’s because nobody else is a “serious runner wearing serious running shoes”, except for themselves, of course.

My feet are very sensitive to sidewalls on midsoles, especially in the forefoot. I’ve never once felt them in an Adidas shoe though. Since the SL2 doesn’t have a removable midsole the construction is quite a bit different than a normal trainer. There aren’t really sidewalls on the SL2 midsole….

@@SagasuRunning that's a relief and i am very sensitive to sidewalls too, and thank you for your prompt response. It is not available in India yet, but in the sept Oct sale season, Adidas almost drops all shoes to below 50% and at that price, i don't think I will miss the SL2 sale.

I love the how but not a fan of this colorway. I’m looking forward to one of the white colorways finally showering up here.

It was there in the 40, but React foam is firmer so it was less noticeable. I do think Nike shaved off a little bit more foam off the toe. The minimal toe feel is a hallmark of Nike shoes, always has been. They all have it.

Ya… the SL2 is soft enough that the 9mm drop is a reference at best. Thank you for the kind words on the content.

@@SagasuRunning Right back at you. Thank you for the great content.

Nike Peg looks like a good casual shoes

@nightfall9880 Pegs are always a good casual option. Retired Pegs always get casual shoe duty for me.

@@SagasuRunning Always a good use of retired shoes.

We definitely agree on these two shoes… very very much. It’s good you have the Peg to troubleshoot the niggle. That is something you can’t do in the SL2.

I had the LunarGkide 6…. Was enjoyable to run in. I keep a notes file ongoing for most shoes or videos… refer back to them when outlining the videos… but I also think about this stuff ALOT… so it’s always running through my mind.

Try the adios 8 :)

I have multiple reviews and comparisons on that shoe on the channel…. I’m a big fan.

@@fredriksvard2603 No Adios 8 in my country. Then again, that was also the case with the Takumi Sen and the Puma Velocity Nitro and they both arrived recently!😆

Brazil…. Right?

Since you are a forefoot striker you may be ok. Especially if you have the ability to stay on top of it. The forefoot is anchored enough that you have a solid platform to work from. Plus the biomechanics of a forefoot strike will help absorb some of it. The SL2 is far more stopped down than a NB3 or B12. Have you ever run in a Vaporfly or Takumi Sen?

@@SagasuRunning I have not run in either but would like to someday. I'm currently training for my first marathon and found your Saucony Endorphin Pro 4 review very insightful. Based on that review and a few other shoetubers, I'm strongly considering that for my first carbon investment.

if you naturally over pronate the sl2 will give you issues. I mostly heel strike, I'm about 50 miles in sl2. at this point I'm limiting to faster uptempo runs or not doing consecutive days on the shoe because it's so unstable at slower pace. thankfully, I have some low stack more stable shoes to balance out. too bad, it's a really fun shoe.

That then sounds like a good choice. I might pass on the SL2 then. Stick with the extra support of the Sauconys. The Endorphin Speed 4 does a lot of similar things to the SL2 but may work for you better, at least less worry.

Always a good deal to be had on a Peg is you look hard enough. Part of their utility. Thank you for the first comment. Hope to see you commenting more in the future. 🤙🏻

You’ll be interested in Friday’s video…. Hahaha. SL2 vs VN3. My answer is…. It depends…. Stay tuned. 🤙🏻

Is not out in Europe? What?

It is, but some shops either don't have them listed yet or only partially (On one site for example, only the female version was listed)

Very strange…

Yeah, true and weird, we're alo just getting them in 2 colours only, Serbia

Must depend on country, they're available in Spain and Germany for sure. I've even seen them in a new colourway already, black and white.

99% of KZbin shoe reviewers rarely run in them other than once a year to make a review to dunk on them for internet points. A few of us actually run in them and spend quite a bit of time in them yearly. That being said the SL2 is very good… but so is the Peg41.

I think I am also in the 1% that does "quite like" the Pegs - especially the last 3 and indeed one I had from 2001 ! I think a lot of it is they want the Peg not to be a Peg so it is not, for instance, a high stack soft trainer they often seem to crave now.

Mostly because they use supertrainers for dailys rather than traditional dailys. The peg line is staying true to itself and should never change. The ride 17, the kinvara, the velocity ntiro, NB propel etc, sold their souls to cater for the demand for softer, higher stack, more stability, plates. The new gen gone soft

@@SagasuRunning Ah that makes sense! Great video BTW!! :)

@@randenlewis152The old gen too, look at that guy with Believe in the Run!

I don’t agree on Nike (obviously)… but the SL2 is very good.

where did you get it for £81?

@@mattaggett7045 Sportshoes with 15% discount which made it even cheaper at £81. A steal at that price tbh

The code SAVEMORE ON ADIDAS sale for members bro​@@mattaggett7045

@@SagasuRunning Nike is only relevant because of their marketing much like brooks. when you compare their shoes to Adidas, Asics, Saucony etc pound for pound they have 10x better line up of shoes. Nike and Brooks make their money because of their name not their quality.

No. The ship has sailed on Altra. Once Golden Harper left… it wasn’t the same company. I was vaguely interested in the new Escalante, as I have found memories of them from way back, but tried on the new one and it’s not anywhere the same as it was. So I will unlikely be covering Altra on this channel, ever.

I’ve actually talked about this quite a bit on this channel. I’m never going to subscribe to daily training in a plated shoe, of any type, daily. In my mind (and experience) you loose too foot strength building base mechanics that you will never get in a plated shoe. Flexibility in a daily shoe, torsional and over the length of your foot is vital to development strong feet. Strong feet are the core of your running mechanics. This is also why I don’t recommend running in max stack and overly cushioned shoes daily either…. Combine both and it’s event worst. This isn’t to say I don’t recommend training in a plated shoe or a max cushion shoe in addition to a non plated and flexible daily trainer…. I do often…. But in that 80/20 mindset of training I’m going to make sure 80% of my running is in a non-plated, flexible, neutral and low(er) stack shoe to maximize the training effect of all the effort. I’ll pull out a plated shoe for key workouts and a max cushioned shoe when my legs need a little more TLC. My larger point in my SL2 initial impressions video was that due to the SL1 not being that great last year, the Boston 12 became the default “daily trainer” in the Adizero range. The additional “super trainer” hype only added to it. The SL2 is a MUCH better shoe than the SL1 (which was fine but not up to par for Adizero) and much more flexible overall. So a lot of what people did in the B12 last season, would be better done now on the SL2, reserving the B12 for tempo or threshold workouts (which actually the SL2 does very well now). I’m a fan of the B12, but it’s not a daily shoe nor did Adidas intend it to be used as such.

@@SagasuRunning wow thank you for your fast reply! so I don't want to come across as wanting to split hairs, but I really don't follow that logic: First of all the Boston 12 in particular is more flexible than a lot of "designated daily trainers", so the range of motion that your feet go through cannot be a problem? Secondly, if you say that because of the glass fibre rods the shoe bends back too strongly causing your feet to require less strength and therefore stimulating less strength gains in your feet, I find the problematic too because who says that you don't just run a little faster evening out that effect subconciously? As an anology since you have a background as a cyclist, I think you can't say that only because your bike is lighter (because maybe it has carbonfibre material in it) you work out less hard because you then probably just ride faster right? Just because the shoe has glass fibre rods in it and the energy return is higher, doesn't mean that in training I put less force into that shoe by running a bit faster? So in essence, if the plate or rods alter your mechanics or range of motion I clearly see the issue if you use it as a daily trainer, but if it is just the higher energy return, the rods are not the specifically the problem but rather that the shoe is "too fast", which I fail to see as a problem. Sorry but I really just want to pinpoint the problem, before I ditch my favourite shoe as a daily trainer ;D

I’m m honestly not sure why people say the B12 is flexible. It’s one of the least flexible shoes, that’s not carbon plated, the I own. The Endorphin Speed 4 is a flexible plated shoe, even that is still not recommend as a daily shoe. Sue here glass fiber rods are not carbon fiber…. Even also to split hairs…. Rods are not a plate. One of the benefits of the rod design (and it has drawbacks too) is you benefit from the longitudinal stiffness but allow some torsional flex. That gives the Adizero shoes a unique ride that is hard to match in a plated shoe. Even in the AP3…. If a plated shoe subconsciously helps you run faster, great… I want that AND the mechanical advantage of a plate for racing and key workouts. But I don’t want it daily. I want to build foot and leg strength. I don’t follow the cycling analogy. I know form first hand experience of if I train too much in a plated or rodded shoe…. I loose foot strength, toe flexibility l, Achilles flexibility and feel Plantar Fasciitis coming on. Back in NYC I ran with multiple people who coach who also dealt with their athletes struggling with the same thing in the early days of plated shoes… when everyone wanted to run in them all the time. Also…. To qualify a “flexible” shoe…. I consider the Nike Streakfly, Adidas Supernova Rise and the Nike Pegasus 41 all “flexible”. If running in a plated shoe daily is your thing… cool. I’ll never recommend it to anyone who asks and will always comment on how people should train in non plated shoes more often. As an example. Pick a no plated shoe of your choice, the the SL2 will be the best option here, and run in it for a month…. Swapping it out for you B12. After hat month…. Tell me you don’t notice a massive change in your running…. And then also tell me about how your feet and lower legs suffered about 10 days into the experiment as your body learned to compensate for the lack of strength form all the plated shoe running. I’m confident you’ll feel that. - I actually went back through your comment and have a few more points. We agree on range of motion…. But the B12 is a very stiff shoe (compared to a Supernova Rise or the SL2). It’s definitely giving (and limiting) more propulsion. It’s likely why you don’t like running in a non plated shoe anymore. Another example….I did 1k of 4:14/k pace in the SL2 yesterday…. Which was SIGNIFICANTLY harder than the 1k of 4:14/k pace I did in the TS10 this morning. My bpm was 12 higher in the SL2, my watts were 14w lower in the SL2 and my LOE was 2-3 levels higher. The TS10 has the same rods as the B12 AND is more flexible due to the lower stack height and lack of the EVA layer to stiffen the shoe…. There is m obvious difference between the shoes that I can see in the data AND feel. Do I enjoy training in the TS10…. Yup. But I know I’m working harder and getting more benefit from training in the SL2…. Which makes when I put on the TS10 all that much more fun. I’m actually working on a video about this (for the end of July). More running efficiency in plated shoes…. But my “control” shoe will be the SL2… so I’ll get into this more then.

Sure, that is one way to think about what they each really do best. There is more overlap though, but the gist is correct. Thank you for the kind words. I'm definitely working on growth. Slow but steady. 💪🏻

Agree, fully. The Adios 8 is definitely the more versatile shoe here and a great training companion to the AP3. That looks as if it will only get better with the A9 + AP4.

It seems you favor stability or structure shoes. So I would recommend the EP4. it's got that Saucony stability built in. It's not "as fast" as the VF3...but it is still a fast shoe.

Honestly, the Supernova series…. Possibly not even the Rise. Take a look at the Supernova Stride, which is the entry level/budget shoe in the Supernova family…. But it is a firmer shoe with a puck of Dreamstrike+ in the forefoot, similar in feel to the SL1 but with a better upper, wider contact patch and better fit. It’s not a great runner…. But it is an excellent walking shoe. The Supernova Solution, the mild stability option in the Supernova family might also be a good option for walking as it is some built into guidance that will benefit a heel to toe walking stride.

I don’t find it narrow at all…. But compared to the AP3 the forefoot is narrower. But the AP3 is fairly wide and generous forefoot fit, especially for a super shoe.

@@SagasuRunning yea little bit narrow in forefoot but more narrow for me on the middle to forefoot area, adios pro 3 fit perfect for me.

Interesting. Do you run in the Boston 12 too? If so, how’s the fit for you?

Besides Hoka the only other brand I’ve ever had real fit issues with is New Balance.This goes back to 2015 or so as well. The 2024 NB fits are absolutely atrocious. Just comically awful. It was unfortunate with the Mach 6. It was great until it wasn’t… but the it’s the story with Hokas for me for a long time. Thank you for subscribing. Hopefully I’ll cover some things you are interested in.

Not an issue at all. Plus the foam is so compressive it’s likely actually closer to 5-6mm.

Interesting. Sounds like you have a very high volume left foot. I also have high volume feet and found the SNR upper very accommodating and generous. Much more the the SL1. It makes sense that Brooks work for you. They design their shoes with a very straight last and extremely voluminous uppers in order to accommodate any type of orthotic or custom insole. Sounds like they are ideal for your left foot and hopefully they feel ok on your right foot.

I think you nailed it. As a lighter runner the LS2.0 foam is going to flex and be soft enough that you can foot engage and flex the LSP core. Additionally, since the LSP core is fairly thin, around 1cm in thickness, it will be something you can actually flex and make work as a lighter runner. Lighter runners often struggle with giant slabs of LSP as it can be firmer and takes a lot to impact.

​@@SagasuRunningOne of the reasons I passed on the Boston 12. SL2 is really comfortable though.

@@kuriosites You made the right call. The B12 took alot to break in…. Once it did though it was a very good shoe. But the SL2 really does most of what it did…

This is the way. Enjoy them both. 🤙🏻

I have a more recent video on these that covers durability. Which isn’t that great for daily trainer. You should be able to find these on sale now/soon as Nike is replacing them with a plated model… if you can find a deal they are worth picking up, just to have, they are a classic now. Another shoe to look at, which wasn’t around when I recorded this video, is the Adidas Supernova Rise. Which you can think of as a Nike Streakfly but built up as a proper trainer. Everything I loved about the Streakfly and easy running…. Is in the Supernova Rise but in a much more durable package. I have multiple videos on my channel about this shoe as well…. All in the past few months. I appreciate the kind words about the content and and stoked to have you as a subscriber. I appreciate the support! 🤙🏻

@@SagasuRunning looks like I will be diving into some more of your videos on both then and if I find a deal it’s a possibility I will pick these up to add onto my rotation, if Nike does indeed replace these with a plated model that might intrigue me enough to look into those as well. I appreciate the advice and look forward to more of your videos!!

Start here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eajWdZecj51_Zsk and then poke around for stuff that interests you on the channel. Lots of content here. 🤙🏻

Thank you. This is one of those shoes that has a history worth telling, but not really enough of one for a stand alone video. So I got it all in here. Had to edit out quite a bit but I’m happy with the result. 🤙🏻

It’s a bit subjective to each runner, actual pace times that is. It’s why on my more recent “vs” videos I’m including a performance matrix to try to answer that question as best as I can without locking it into pace numbers. I will say between these two shoes the NB4 like slow and easy running best while the SB prefers tempo to threshold running due to its increased stiffness.

@@SagasuRunning Thank you.

Agree fully on LSP, it’s just so consistently good in any application it’s in and over a long life of a shoe. It took me a while to warm up to it, but now I do think I consider it my favorite foam. Also the SL2, like all LSP shoes, does take some break-in. I found it needed about 25k to loosen up and feel natural. Much shorter than a typical LSP shoe, then again there isn’t as much LSP in it as normal. Once it does loosen up though…. It is just so very good! Definitely in the running for “best of 2024” for me. Many more ml the for me to decide but it has a very strong start.

What do you currently train in? What’s your foot strike? How many kms do you run a week?

@@SagasuRunning Im working to run the Buenos Aires Marathon 42km in September. Forefoot strike. 60 to 65km per week now. thanks for the quick reply! I adopted the strategy to not use plate tennis, just to feel the power of the supershoe only in any competitions (Currently I have the VF3)

What shoes are you currently running in for training?

@@SagasuRunning Pegasus 39, Mizuno wave rider 26 (these 2 are my principals), Nike zoom fly 4 (I rarely use this one) and for very easy runs winflo 7

Then the SL2 would be a good option for you. It’s more stripped down than you’d expect…. Buts it’s very durable and great. You may also want to look at the Adidas Supernova Rise…. Check out my comparison video of the two shoes to really see what is best for you.

I'm glad this helped. I fully agree, Adidas is really nailing the trainer space right now. They have all of the options at the moment.

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Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻

The SL2 and B12 do similar things and have alot of overlap. Obviously one is played and the other is not. I’d say the SL2 does easy running better and the B12 does longer runs + marathon pace better (I though the SL2 is no slouch). As I said, now in 2024, with the SL2 in the market, the vast majority of use cases people where using the B12 for last year are better suited in the SL2. Yes, Taipei summer running is rough…. Though I think HK is a little hotter still.

Yup…. You got the idea. Adidas has the most full featured lineup of 2024…. And the real stars of 2024 haven’t released yet for them. I’m finding I can do just about everything I need to for 5k training (what I’m doing now) between the SL2 and TS10…. I’m not running particularly long right now, 16k (10mi) max… so don’t need the SNR at the moment. Plus o have so many other shoes to work on for the channel. Once the weather cools down in mid fall I’ll spend more time again in the SNR.

The SL1 and the VN3 have similar rides. Both are firm yet cushioned. The VN3 has a better midsole and foam layup design though. The SL2 is a more cushioned and slightly softer ride then either. Not mushy or squishy…. But more flexible and the energy return of the LSP slab is very noticeable. I’ll have my comparison between the SL2 and VN3 out later this week.

@@SagasuRunning Nice to hear that the SL2 is not squishy but more flexible 👍

@hommefield9612 Definitely not squishy, even though Adidas is soften out all of heir running shoes, they still run with a firm/cushioned ride.

Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻

I would agree. You need a shoe for easy running… that is the SNR.

@@SagasuRunning my last easy running specific shoe was Invincible 1 and I finished hating it. 😩

@hfurbano to be fair the I1 was fun for about 30k then the charm wore off and it was a slog after that….