Admiral Pike - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Se.1 Ep.10

[@TheBigExclusive]

This clip shows that the movie uniform is still a great design. It's a timeless style that does NOT need a lot of redesigns.

[@Nobodyreallyatall]

I've always hated those movie uniforms, the design never looks functional or comfortable, certainly not for climate controlled spacecraft. Looks like uniforms from an authoritarian oppressive government. Think the point was to hide the out of shape bodies of the original crew, and they were cheap to repurpose and dye.

[@Turboy65]

It's a great dress uniform design but it doesn't look even remotely like a uniform that would be comfortable in a warm climate. (Actually they were made of wool. I rest my case.) But for appearance, it looks more like an actual future dress uniform than any other design yet attempted.

[@Sensiblefool]

@@Nobodyreallyatall disagree the monster maroon is the best.

[@captainjefferies9047]

@@Turboy65 It's not for a warm climate. It's for a climate controlled space ship.

[@ronaldcustard4636]

@@Sensiblefool I liked the Pjs from the 1st film

[@MeloraMaxwell]

Kirk: Captain of the Enterprise? Picard: That's right. Kirk: Close to retirement? Picard: I'm not planning on it. Kirk: Let me tell you something. Don't. Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship. Because while you're there, you can make a difference. I wonder where Kirk got that from?

[@JohnnyZenith]

The worst interpreation of Kirk. Christ, he's so scrawny too.

[@dojokonojo]

Kirk never really got to know Pike before the radiation accident. Kirk's trajectory from TMP to Undiscovered Country is where he gets that from.

[@joeswanson733]

it's possible ikirk refused promotion to admiral they might have just retired kirk right there or dumped him in the blacklist.

[@arc187]

yet at some point, picard forgot and got promoted to adm.

[@Cowcow211]

@@arc187 There's only so many ships you can seriously damage and not be told "Either you fall up, or you fall out."

[@LineaDeus]

*As an original Trekie, That update to the original movie red navy uniform, looks likes someone actually made an effort to keep 'All' of its original design principles. Including its unmistakable distinct Silhouette. That looked awesome!*

[@J.Wolf90]

As a 90s trekie I just can't get into any of these new shows... and it makes me sad😔

[@LineaDeus]

@@J.Wolf90 Lucky for you, I cant even excess them. Paramount/CBS doesn't show in the UK. All i can see is Utub clips.

[@J.Wolf90]

@@LineaDeus I just find these new shows too, what the term, chick flick?

[@neildarbyshire7038]

@@LineaDeus Paramount+ launched here in the UK a couple of weeks ago. I haven't subscribed yet but it's tempting

[@wayneharding6594]

@@neildarbyshire7038 dont bother, we have to wait until Aug to watch the last episode of SNW. Paramount screwed the UK over again. Also, there is a distinct lack of TMP directors edition in 4K. So I canceled my sub as soon as I saw we were behind the US again. Nice way to treat the fan base Paramount.

[@Rampage1836]

Everyone is talking about the uniform, what about the acting? Admiral Pike’s demeanor is very much that of a man who’s lived through a very difficult war, and with the weight of knowing all he had to do to prevent it was to do nothing.

[@BigNoseDog]

Indeed. It reminds me of how Patrick Stewart changed his acting in Yesterday’s Enterprise to show a war weary Picard.

[@cosmoray9750]

@@BigNoseDog SL Debt. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2aVpYdrncynic0

[@celticogre8360]

His acting is bad

[@spaceboomer564]

Mount said for this he changed his voice to what it'd sound like if he'd spent the past several years sobbing and screaming from trauma.

[@kensmith2285]

Nailed it. Anson mount's range with Pike's character is incredible

[@th3garbageman]

Seeing him in the maroon uniform (the best uniform in all of Star Trek) is, so far the highlight of this show.

[@JohnnyZenith]

Then why haven't you mentioned that this uniform is different to the movie uniforms? I'm getting totally confused why this isn't being mentioned.

[@brianparksdesign]

Yeah why did they have to mess with the sleeves?

[@willardaustria]

Fascinating. For me, it's the worst.

[@densetsu4286]

While i like that uniform, the full black with gray shoulders and the color turtleneck where the pips go looks the best.

[@TheVampireFishQueen]

@@brianparksdesign I like the sleeves part.

[@jokerfleckcast3196]

That movie costume is epic. Anson Mount is one hell of an actor. What a guy

[@LBF522]

Pike wanting to save himself and those cadets is a normal reaction to knowing one's future.

[@fig1115]

dont think its as much about himself as it is the cadets ,it was seeing the one of those who would die that triggered him .hes just that guy ,a man who felt such guilt that he dint do his bit in the Klingon war ,to be told they held of the enterprise because if the human race was to be almost extinct then those on that ship represented the best earth had to offer , damn no pressure .

[@kev30631]

Dont two cadets still die, if he keeps it the same, which he did. He does it because in every scenerio that he tried to change it, Spock is horribly disfigured. All I am asking is two cadets still die , right?

[@jackblack9605]

@@kev30631 Yup, they still die. Its the fate of the few vs the faith of the many dilemma from Trek. Pike arc is basically accepting his fate and in this episode and he accepts the loss of the 2 cadets. His older version even says, all other timelines are terrible. I know some don't like the predetermined, accept your terrible destiny choice but i really like it since it adds a sense of quiet dignity to Pike - " I will bear this burden, not be jaded and still do my best for Starfleet"

[@rangerxd1225]

@@jackblack9605 so pike doesn't need to be the captain during balance of terror. He can step down earlier and give the command to Kirk before balance of terror. Atleast this way pike can save spock and avert war with Romulans.

[@WizzRacing]

@@rangerxd1225 Doesn't work that way.. As he would never go to Talos IV... Then return later to live a happy life...

[@WarGrowlmon18]

The reason that all of this got included in the shows is that this is LITERALLY Christopher Pike's canon fate: he's horribly disfigured in that accident. TOS has a 2 part episode covering the aftermath of that. In the end, Spock arranges for Pike to settle on that planet with the telepathic aliens, Talos 4. Remember the ones who helped Spock when his memory got screwed up??? Well, they're able to give Pike a comfy life using their illusion powers so to him it seems like he's back to normal again and he lives out the rest of his life with the woman who helped Burnham and Spock when they went there. Pike met and fell in love with her on a mission in the original pilot episode TOS.

[@ianking2409]

I like how Pike’s nostalgia for the room and his personal items subtly hints that the Enterprise is destroyed in the alternate future timeline.

[@Turboy65]

What a mindscrew for Pike, to learn that his unpleasant fate is the best of all possible options for the rest of the galaxy in the long term. Well, he's going to get very cozy with the Talosians, which by itself is something to be explored in depth. What will it be that causes the Talosians to expend the non-trivial effort required to give Pike a convincing and pleasant experience after being stuck in the wheelchare going BEEP BEEP as a means of communication? (Which doesn't play well, considering that we have more sophisticated means of communication for people today who are just as completely crippled, such as Stephen Hawking's voice computer.) How did Pike get into such good standing with the Talosians that they'd create and sustain such a detailed and convincing simulation for his mind to live in? I remember when we first saw the Talosians in Discovery. It was really like seeing old friends again, for the first time in a long time. Very much a pleasurable moment.

[@captainjefferies9047]

He goes to paradise, what a horrible fate.

[@sanhcman666]

To be fair, we never knew how pike die exactly. What if Q (or Q junior) transport him to the future, even to the discovery timeline, in order to get healed and continue to live?

[@psquared75]

The fact Spock signaled them and said he'd prolly be willing to be a subject now that he goes BEEP BEEP is why they'd help him. at the end of the Cage they tell Pike he was their last hope.

[@Jager1967]

I just love the updated movie era uniform; it looks so good!

[@antesp4764]

damn, Pike is handsome in either uniform 👍

[@JohnnyZenith]

Why has it been updated? I prefer it too.

[@TheH3dgie]

I really love Pike as a Captain in this series. I hope they continue with the potential of the first season and really make Pike a captain to remember, even though we know what happens to him. Seems to be a martyr of the grandest order. To be such a good man, a good captain, and someone we should all strive to be, and knowing that you just suffer a horrible fate to actually save billions of lives.

[@WarGrowlmon18]

The reason that all of this got included in the shows is that this is LITERALLY Christopher Pike's canon fate: he's horribly disfigured in that accident. TOS has a 2 part episode covering the aftermath of that. In the end, Spock arranges for Pike to settle on that planet with the telepathic aliens, Talos 4. Remember the ones who helped Spock when his memory got screwed up??? Well, they're able to give Pike a comfy life using their illusion powers so to him it seems like he's back to normal again and he lives out the rest of his life with the woman who helped Burnham and Spock when they went there. Pike met and fell in love with her on a mission in the original pilot episode TOS.

[@CorsetGrace]

Ensign Boimler says there's a Captain Pike holiday in the future.

[@trekreact]

Great Uniform

[@brianhouston5368]

Still think the crimson movie uniforms were the best that Star Trek has ever had. Great that they kept the overall design and just tweaked it.

[@MidnightAspec]

@@brianhouston5368 Agreed.

[@WimpyKelv12]

Pike's new uniform is an example of how they probably should've approached the 'outdated' TOS designs. Retexture, don't completely redesign.

[@Melkur1981]

I feel the same about the current Enterprise design. If retexture is the correct word for it. I don't hate it, I just prefer the original look.

[@WimpyKelv12]

@@Melkur1981 It looks so 'wrong' because they kept coming back to the older designs year after year but suddenly it's all different now. A lot of it is a bit over-redesigned considering Enterprise (and some fanfilms) proved that the old sets can all look shockingly modern due to modern cinematography and lighting. If they need to change stuff to suit modern standards (which they don't necessarily have to do all the time due to Star Trek not quite being our future and thus the technology developed differently), they should be careful to keep the 'skeleton' (so it looks like the same thing) but add small panels and textures that simply tweaks things. The communicators and phasers and tricorders do this pretty well. Discovery kinda got away with its changes due to it showing ships we didn't see before (thus we can't say something looks wrong as there's nothing to compare it to) but once they showed the Enterprise it kinda gets weird because it all looks so different. I also have to wonder if tweaking the maroon uniforms is actually necessary, it looks nice sure but does it really need to look more like past Pike's uniform? Uniforms can change. Maybe it's a subtle way to indicate it's an alternate future...

[@Melkur1981]

@@WimpyKelv12 Yeah that's exactly right, the communicator and tricorder are basically right on the money. It's a case of, if you squint you shouldn't be able to tell the difference, that's always been the best way to represent this era.

[@Knightfall182]

The designs aren't outdated at all... considering they're supposed to be clothing from 300 yrs in the future.

[@nel1962]

@@WimpyKelv12 Ha! And I remember fans bellyaching even then that they couldn't accept the set designs from Enterprise because they looked more advanced than TOS. Look, TOS created a 23rd century starship by 1960s standards. I was a kid back then and Star Trek looked futuristic because it WAS futuristic back in the 60s. That's one of the things that had all of us talking about it in schoolyards. All the cool tech it showed us. A lot of those kids actually became NASA engineers and scientists because of it. It inspired them to think ahead. This is 2022. Trying to make things look like a future envisioned by 1960s designers doesn't do the same for us today. Those fan films don't look like the future. They look like a nostalgia trip for old fans. It is backwards looking when Star Trek is all about thinking ahead.

[@seanwolslau-holdren6731]

Pike looks good in the TWOK Uniform!

[@EdiaStanfordBruce]

What this episode says to me in the immortal words of Ambassador Spock of Vulcan: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...or the one." Last of season one. Sad. Bitter. Like 85% cacao chocolate. One of my favorites.

[@raven4k998]

and that is so true the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one thus Pike has to make the ultimate sacrifice and let himself get crippled to save the many😭

[@jonathanroberts1328]

One thing of note, is that after younger Like returns from ' the future ', he still has a working time Crystal , so perhaps an opening for a future story or crossover , probably with Discovery or the Picard era . As Spock might say, ' There are always possibilities '.

[@animateddepression]

Time Crystal… like Rick and Morty? And the Testicle Monsters? Wow, these writers are really special.

[@kev30631]

I hope not

[@OptimusWombat]

I really like the update to the TOS-movie uniforms.

[@rcslyman8929]

TMP. More specifically, the TWoK uniforms (like the grey shoulder redesigns for the TNG era are the FC uniforms). As far as I saw, they didn't redesign anything on the uniform itself, just added that scaling on the sleeves and back that these new uniforms are known for. Otherwise, same uniform, right down to the braiding on the one sleeve. What you like in the redeign, I liked in the fact that they designed it true and faithful to the TMP era while keeping the new style elements. It looked like a nice, natural progression in the uniform. I'm... honestly a little curious what their takes on the actual TMP uniforms would look like.

[@k1productions87]

@@rcslyman8929 I would much rather see updated TMP uniforms as the duty uniforms, because the "monster maroon" as it has come to be called has never sat right with me. It looks great... but it looks like sitting at a desk for several hours in Marine Corps Dress Blues, just not appropriate. It should have instead been Ceremonial Dress. Then it would have been perfect. It was just too bulky for normal duty operation.

[@rcslyman8929]

@@k1productions87 I would, too. I know they've been joked about as the disco uniforms, particularly because TWoK introduced those (accurately stated) service dress style uniforms to the mix, which then became a staple of Starfleet even into Picard's service time. But you're absolutely correct, the uniforms they had for TMP looked way more like service uniforms and utilities than the bellhop uniforms.

[@k1productions87]

@@rcslyman8929 the TMP outfit DOES need some changes though. It should NOT be one-piece unless given the proper jumpsuit consistency (like ENT). The boots SHOULD NOT be sewn in. And give that darn thing a collar, like TNG season 3. Exchange the "Life Support Belt" (which was never used) for a Starfleet Delta belt BOOM, instant fix.

[@rcslyman8929]

@@k1productions87 Not one thing to alter in any of what you've said. Nail, meet hammer.

[@woodrobin]

Captain Pike tries reason and diplomacy, but the Romulans respect strength and self-sacrifice. Kirk chased the Romulan Warbird into the Neutral Zone and the Captain of the Warbird died with honor. Pike convinced the Romulan Captain to consider peace, which made him a dishonorable traitor in the eyes of Romulan High Command. Kirk showed strength, and through destroying his ship, the Romulan Captain showed self-sacrifice. The Romulans felt they had dealt a strong blow, but also felt the Federation was strong enough to counter any deeper moves, and backed off. Pike showed an ability to subvert an experienced Romulan Captain with a short conversation, which likely scared the f__k out of the Romulan High Command and convinced them that the Federation posed a threat requiring them to be wiped out entirely, before their talent for subversion could cause dissension in the ranks. Basically, Pike did what Picard might have tried to do in his place, in an era where the cowboy tactics Kirk favored where actually the better option.

[@devonburdeyney8555]

I loved this alternate version of the original series episode of "Balance of Terror" or as I told my dad when I wanted to rewatch the TOS episode tapes(yes I'm that old and it was from the columbia vhs collection, those who are old enough to remeber) submarine battle is space episode😅😅😅

[@randicus1030]

I agree with you on that. The Romulans crossed the border and attacked and destroyed Federation outposts. Pike would let the whole thing go to maintain "peace". Kirk followed the ship with the full intention of destroying it. He would've accepted a surrender. But he was not willing to let the Romulans go for what they did. And the Romulans took Pike's stance as weakness.

[@danielmarinucci9342]

After seeing this I definitely want to buy the DVD. Since I don't really have the money to afford too many luxuries in life (Too many bills & car repairs)

[@tomeisenmenger7048]

You could always sign up for a Paramount+ trial, binge the show over a week, then cancel.

[@danielmarinucci9342]

@@tomeisenmenger7048 - not a bad idea.

[@danielmarinucci9342]

@@STEPHENDANERD - thanks for the advice.

[@squad3417]

Honestly, Paramount + is the best $5/month I've ever spent. Aside from Star Trek, their movie vault is impressive.

[@Zakaria3400]

Same for me .

[@stephenfarthing3819]

This is a consequence of the Control situation. And how. Pike and his crew and the Discovery saved the galaxy ! There was always both alternatives and possibilities. This letter to Ma'at was one of these.

[@mark2038]

Anson Mount is an excellent actor.

[@jayenglish6631]

We need an alternate universe comic where this future Pike goes to Borath in the Refit Enterprise or the 1701-A to change the future.

[@seanwolslau-holdren6731]

This has my vote.

[@Raguleader]

Maybe with a good tense battle where Reliant and Excelsior help hold off the Romulan warbirds trying to stop him from getting to Boreth.

[@joeswanson733]

Cool pike makes rear admiral this surpasses his original fleet captain rank

[@geraldshields9035]

@True Trek Clips Basically, the letters that Pike wrote will cause a “Butterfly Effect”, that will cause him to avoid his future fate, but will place him in command during the events of the TOS episode “Balance Of Terror”, instead of Captain James T. Kirk. Oh man…😂

[@russell5078084]

Finally a new Trek series that's returned to True Trek.

[@adammclaughlin845]

Never seen this show, been put off by the horror show of Discovery and Picard s1&s2... but after getting into Lower Decks and seeing Picard season 3, it gives me hope for Strange New Worlds. In this video, Pike comes across as immensely likeable and charismatic, so as long as he's the show's lead, it's time to try this new show.

[@ioanniskontogiannis7929]

See it its awsome.

[@redtyrant3106]

It's excellent. Best Star Trek in a very long time, on par with the best of TNG and DS9.

[@GhostbustersFan77]

Nice update of the Wrath of Khan uniforms.

[@jts1702a]

The lapel became lower, therefore the rank shoulder epaulette had to reach longer to reach it, which makes it more prone to bending or warping. Can't say I like THAT change. The original ones were a lot crisper in tailoring. The plastic-y shoulder material too...

[@mikewashko]

I miss my old uniform

[@deanhirasawa1414]

Such contrasting styles of command. Kirk was the brash arrogant, but quick-thinking action oriented captain. Pike is more like Picard, diplomatic and cerebral, one who weighs out the possibilities and if time permits, will not be rushed into a decision. Both are effective, BUT for this particular B of T scenario - we already know Kirk's style was more effective.

[@leftcoaster67]

Pike to me is the the best of Kirk and Picard.

[@captainjefferies9047]

Being slow to act isn't being cerebral. Kirk is way more cerebral. He's just better at everything than those guys.

[@BigNoseDog]

There’s a TNG episode where Picard is also facing a Romulan ship and makes a similar decision as Pike. He lowers shields to beam up Geordie banking that the Romulan won’t open fire. But the Romulan could’ve easily seen that as a sign of weakness, much like the Romulans in this episode did with Pike.

[@kev30631]

I think in the JJ Abrams movies Kirk is betrayed like what you said.... Brash, arrogant etc That never once came into my mind at all, as I was watching shatner Kirk I think that is just a Alex kurtzman BS line of speak that he floated out there. I already don't like it, just repeating it

[@tifreak8x]

So, I'd love to know HOW far into the future FP is from. I'd honestly also love a couple of seasons of exploring this path before coming back to this point before he writes the letter, because I do love me some alternate reality shenanigans. :D

[@xunit62]

Yes! I wanted that in TNG Yesterday’s Enterprise!

[@MrIronhat]

The uniform first appeared in wrath of khan, roughly 25 year after 1st season of snw, and 20 years after 1st season of tos

[@joeswanson733]

@@MrIronhat my guess is if you go by beta cannon the red uniforms debuted in 2275 so pike would be around 65. i don't think pike would still be in the starfleet by wrath of khan considering he'd be close to 75 by that point in time. too old to be of any use.

[@Wizardof]

2274+

[@danagiles5100]

The uniform is from the era of Star Trek 2-6. Remember, in Star Trek The Motion Picture, they had yet another different uniform. In Wrath of Khan Kirk tells Carol Marcus "There's a man I haven't seen in 15 years who wants to kill me." Wrath of Khan is roughly 24-26 years after the first season of Strange New Worlds. Adm. Pike would likely be about 70-75.

[@thesisko3715]

The Monster Maroon!

[@nickmitsialis]

SO that's actually A 'Thing'....

[@manofbeard]

Imagine knowing your fate and nothing you do changes it for the better. Better for you but hella worse for someone else. Takes a brave person to see what’s meant to be through to the bitter end.

[@Creasy5678]

The Admiral is a lot more than seven years older, just look at him. He moves like an old man, more weight, less muscle, weighed down by years and horrors with hair grey going white and so many lines on his face... I'd guess at least twenty years older, which likely means the War he's coming back from goes on for at least that long. An intergalactic conflict that goes on for that length of time? Billions are dead, worlds destroyed, infrastructure is gone, nowhere is safe. The known galaxy on fire while the Klingons raid both sides and wait to destroy the winner utterly... The only way that kind of future ends is Apocalypse for the Federation.

[@JohnnyZenith]

20 years? It's way into the future and he looks that much older in only 20 years. Oh dear.

[@Creasy5678]

@@JohnnyZenith He'd be in his late 60's, to be fair...

[@tortenschachtel9498]

Well, judging by the uniform this must be in the late 2270ties, early 2280ties, so 20+ years later than current Pikes time.

[@jamesbuchanan4414]

I do credit the make up crew with how they aged Anson up. This is probably one of the best applications of aging make up I've seen in anything less than a major studio movie.

[@Creasy5678]

@@jamesbuchanan4414 Entirely agree.

[@user-uc9fx4ru7p]

Really liked this episode.But was sad also. Pike realizes there is no way to change the future. But at least he knows his sacrifice saves millions.

[@WarGrowlmon18]

The reason that all of this got included in the shows is that this is LITERALLY Christopher Pike's canon fate: he's horribly disfigured in that accident. TOS has a 2 part episode covering the aftermath of that. In the end, Spock arranges for Pike to settle on that planet with the telepathic aliens, Talos 4. Remember the ones who helped Spock when his memory got screwed up??? Well, they're able to give Pike a comfy life using their illusion powers so to him it seems like he's back to normal again and he lives out the rest of his life with the woman who helped Burnham and Spock when they went there. Pike met and fell in love with her on a mission in the original pilot episode TOS.

[@mattd6931]

I'm always curious with all these time travel episodes, why the Department of Temporal Investigations never appears to stop the change happening.

[@WizzRacing]

Who says they didn't...Hell who says the Talosians can't project a false reality across the galaxy. They did it once before.

[@rhuwyn]

Either they did, or they already knew they didn't need to...and that was SUPPOSED to happen....

[@kxmode]

The Klingons on Boreth are probably an offshoot of that Department, and they solve problems in their own way.

[@Raguleader]

@@kxmode I wanna see a story about a DTI agent and a Boreth Monk working the same case.

[@kxmode]

@@Raguleader It would probably be terrible and not very Star Trek-y

[@GunWillTravel]

"Unforeseen Consequences" - cool Half-Life reference

[@darkautumnstories5834]

FAR better than Discovery!

[@azure4527]

I like that his first impulse was to try and save Maat. If this was TNG Picard he wouldn't even consider it.

[@EtzrakhZenekhai]

Clearly, you never watched "Tapestry"...

[@lucasbachmann]

@@EtzrakhZenekhai neither did you since Picard needed Q to tell him nothing else would change if Picard revisited the past. (Though I personally think it was just a dream anyway.)

[@shaundis2117]

The belt buckle, rank insignia , chest emblem and service pips are all the same as classic monster maroon. He`s an admiral, there's a gold stripe missing off the "lapel". I'm not a fan of SNW but i do appreciate what they tried to do here. The jacket accents and how low the lapel sits with the extra long strap im not crazy about. Points awarded though.

[@rangerxd1225]

Now since he knows how the alternative future is he can step down early and he can let Kirk have the command of enterprise before the events of balance of terror.

[@joeswanson733]

no pike doesn't need to step down early in beta cannon pikes 3rd 5 year mission ends by 2262 so basically they promote him to fleet captain and well history resumes as is.

[@AllenorLP]

"If you are doing something and your future self doesn't show up to stop you, how bad can it be?"

[@xunit62]

I want a Admiral Pike figure!

[@joeschmoe233]

This has been an impressive re-boot so far, I enjoy the characters a lot. Discovery should take some pointers.

[@kxmode]

It's not a reboot. It's a continuation of the original pilot.

[@joeschmoe233]

@@kxmode stop splitting hairs, I'm talking about the original series material.

[@JKD6991]

Time crystal same color as the Time Stone in Marvel! Doctor Strange wants it back! 😂

[@FaeRhanX]

Still curious how a future looks like where he saves himself by resigning and leaving after the altered accident happened, so we still get Kirk as captain, but the events from TOS The Menagerie never happen.

[@shadcroly]

I keep coming back to that idea, too. He goes through all the events leading up to that training exercise, cancels it on a day of to keep everyone away from the reactor, then resigns or at least relinquishes command of the Enterprise, leaving Kirk to be in the position of Captain so history plays out that one critical point as necessary.

[@netcowboy]

@@shadcroly Admiral Pike says he explored every timeline where he saves himself, and someone else takes on his fate.

[@MadSpectre47]

@@shadcroly My working theory is the Enterprise was originally ordered to do a thing that would've resulted in her destruction, then Spock faked the message from Pike diverting them from that original order. So if Pike isn't in the beep chair, the Enterprise isn't diverted, and gets destroyed with all hands. Now imagine THAT future.

[@tonyf8167]

i think its funny; the guy they got to play Pike looks more like what Kirk "should" look like than the guy they got to play Kirk...

[@kev30631]

They have been pretty good with the casting , up until now. I dont know why Paul Wesley was chosen to play Kirk. Perhaps that will be revealed in in a showrunner, producer interview

[@TheMustangBuilders]

The movie uniform looks amazing.

[@a6mzeke1]

I love that rendition of the Maroon Monster uniform.

[@admiralbob77]

Needs the gold inlay on the front piece that flag officers get. Otherwise, a nice update.

[@xunit62]

Wow the Romulans run the table as the Klingons did in TNG Yesterday’s Enterprise! Pike as the Enterprise C has a destiny which was run the course! Where’s Doctor Who when you need him or her? Love this episode 🖖🏿

[@BigNoseDog]

What’s never said is what future Pike is giving up by restoring the timeline. We see he’s an admiral, but maybe he also got married and had a family. I do like that this episode is more in line with City of the Edge of Forever, Yesterday’s Enterprise, and Tapestry than Voyager’s Endgame. The first three all involve restoring the original timeline. But Voyager’s ending is Janeway risking the future to get her ship home sooner. Not only did SNW offer a great episode that makes me like Pike even more, it also made me dislike Voyager and Janeway more than I already did.

[@captainjefferies9047]

He gets married and has a family in his actual fate. That's the Irony of Pikes story. He's constantly terrified of this fate worse than death he's doomed to but what actually happens is he goes off to live in paradise with a woman he loves. If he just lets go, and gives in to fate, everything works out fine. Janeway also cripples the Borg and saves the lives of trillions but hey, who's counting.

[@BigNoseDog]

@@captainjefferies9047 but that’s not why Janeway travels into the past. She does it help her crew get home sooner and to help people like Tuvok and Seven who she knows suffer terrible fates in the original timeline. Crippling the Borg is never stated as her primary goal. And the episode never addresses the point that SNW does, which is unintended consequences.

[@captainjefferies9047]

@@BigNoseDog You are speculating. Nothing is ever stated as her primary goal. It doesn't addresses what NSW addresses because that is pointless and has nothing to do with people's real lives.

[@MrIronhat]

@@captainjefferies9047 he would be a well cared pet.

[@captainjefferies9047]

@@MrIronhat No. He is the husband of a nice lady and the founder of a world.

[@pauladam4158]

0:57 mark - I have that knife, it came with my Lagostina set

[@Wizardof]

Fans: Red TWOK uniform made by rare needle.... Paramount: Don't forget to get TWOK UHD Blu Ray

[@DonTiberius35]

I hope that uniform get some live action in a series its iconic I'm in my 30s and remember watching undiscovered country thinking that uniform is amazing

[@richardsager1723]

Great story writing whom ever they are! Cinematic great work 🎉

[@1abcrr1]

The "FIRST" pike didn't get a warning , so he's in a new timeline , asking No telling him to so nothing is insane

[@samwroos41]

I like the Star Trek movie Uniform.

[@heatsinker_5517]

We all know what happens to Pike, but its interesting in a "Trek Multiverse of Madness" sort of way.

[@ioanniskontogiannis7929]

Τhat episode is wonderful..

[@worland322575269]

definitely a case for Lusly and Dulmer of the Federation Department of Temporal Investigations to look into.

[@SamanthaIreneYTube]

Stop. Federation Office of Temporal Investigations. Double Pikes, you’re under arrest.

[@jeffjr84]

that uniform though... man.. if they fixed it just a little bit it'd be the perfect trek uniform.

[@davidyoung1932]

Actually the more I think about this episode, the less I liked the way it made pike look indecisive and weak. Sure we all know kirk played hard and fast with the rules... But without kirks arrival, I do think pike would have reached the same conclusion as prime kirk. Especially as spock waa recommending attack. To make our current pike as much of a diplomate as picard is a flaw in this episode. Otherwise it's bloody brilliant and we got to hear scotty

[@rayscotchcoulton]

My take is (and Picard says something to this effect in TNG) that sometimes you can do everything right and still fail. Some folks have skillsets that make them better at handling some decisions better than others. And sometimes the right approach isn't your own, but that doesn't mean your weak or a bad decision maker.

[@R.a.f.a.e.l.]

@@rayscotchcoulton Your take is the right take. I think this was what the episode was all about.

[@captainjefferies9047]

That's how Pike is though. From his first portrayal he's riddled with doubt. He's considering quitting in the first episode of the pilot.

[@joeswanson733]

kirk takes action. pike is more like picard need to hold meetings. pike pulls his punches. we saw that throughout DSC and SNW. so if pike got kirks 5 year mission he would've gotten killed 10 times over.

[@Daimo83]

"How do we make TMP uniforms 25% different?" "Make the sleeves a different material"

[@filthycasual8187]

I think it's fair to say that the "25% different" thing is an overblown myth at this point.

[@Daimo83]

@@filthycasual8187 They did a line up of famous ships at spacedock and swapped the hero ships for random names in the class.

[@alexodom1212]

A link with the movies and SNW, those were the best uniforms in the Star Trek universe

[@cellulanus]

They just can't help themselves can they? They just had to fiddle with the Wrath of Khan uniform.

[@hawkstringfellow]

See now thats good written

[@ApocalypseNext]

Y'know... I can't help thinking, if a Starfleet captain turned up dead in his quarters of a Bat'Leth injury, that would also probably alter history.

[@obsideon1343]

I wonder how the Refit Enterprise looks in this future.

[@lindsaybrambles9678]

As a writer myself (I have written and had--traditionally published--an alternate history novel) the writing on any series is always something important to me. For the most part I enjoyed this episode very much and thought the writing quite good, but there is an aspect of it that has bothered me: If seeing the future provides Pike with information that consequently informs his decisions regarding the letters to the cadets (which is to say, deciding NOT to write to them and apprise them of their fates), why wouldn't that same knowledge of the future likewise be employed to simply subvert those decisions he made in his (brief) look at his command during the encounter with the Romulans? He has seen the result of his choices during that incident, so knowing that, surely he could simply make different choices. The writers seem to indicate that no matter how Pike plays it, any scenario in which he and the cadets are spared their tragic fates results in disaster for the galaxy. But the suggestion therein is that this (the fate of the cadets and Pike in the reactor incident) is the focal point of that future history. That, however, seems almost deus ex machina, in the sense that the real turning point in the galaxy's fate might more arguably be the encounter with the Romulans; it's there where everything seems to go awry. So in now having knowledge of how that incident plays out, why would Pike not simply be able to make the same decisions as Kirk (hunting down and destroying the Romulan warbird) and thus prevent the endless war that kills millions (should he, of course, make choices regarding his and the cadets' fates that lead to him commanding the Enterprise in the future)? There's also a paradox here, because if Pike makes the choice to allow his and the cadets' fates play out as they supposedly should, then how do we get to a future where an unmaimed Pike must come back to prevent himself from making the wrong choices? This is something I've often found a weak point in many SF scenarios involving time travel. Writing a good time travel tale that doesn't involve paradoxes is difficult, though often those paradoxes are either outright ignored, obliquely referred to as mind-bending, dealt with using some variation of the many world/multiverse concept, or avoided through the use of deus ex machina. Even Harlan Ellison's fine CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER requires an element of the latter in order to allow Kirk and Spock to travel back in time to prevent McCoy from altering the past. Regardless of all this, when it comes to the writing, SNW is far and away better (in my opinion) than either ST:DISCOVERY or ST:PICARD. For me, this is possibly the best Trek since I watched the original series back when it first aired in the 60s. It may not be able to have the same cultural and societal impact the original series had, but it is a stellar show, with a great cast, tremendous production values, visually stunning cinematic effects and sets, and a tone that better reflects TOS than any of the other Treks oeuvres (including TNG). I anxiously await season two.

[@trekker683]

Future Pike does say at the end that if he tries other ways of changing his fate Spock will end up hurt In every version of the timeline except the real one.

[@Helbore]

Pike knows that his decisions in that battle fail. He doesn't necessarily know the correct decisions to make, though. Just knowing that he should go after the Bird of Prey isn't enough. If he does and ends up getting the Enterprise destroyed, then that could still lead to decades of war with the Romulans. There's also a lot more that is potentially at stake beyond "Balance of Terror." The episode already makes a point about Spock's importance to future events, but what about Kirk? Considering Kirk's five-year mission is something that was supposed to go down in history as one of the most legendary in Starfleet's history and how much of a hero he became to other Captains down the line, just removing Kirk from the Enterprise could have dozens of negative effects. Then there's all the officers Kirk clearly brought on board like McCoy and Sulu, who have important parts to play in the future and may not if they're never brought to the Enterprise. The point being that Pike got to see an example of why changing the future would be detrimental. It would be foolhardy of him if he took the message to be "try and make a different change to the timeline," instead of "don't fuck with the established order of time." The lesson he learns is not specific to the one altered timeline he witnessed, but that trying to make alterations - no matter how good the reason - can lead to far worse consequences. So yeah, he could take the foreknowledge as a chance to try and change things for the better - but that was exactly what he was already doing that led to that mess in the first place.

[@kev30631]

This was just a convenient way to wrap up pikes story arc. Because the show runners wanted it wrapped up. Of course it doesnt make any sense. Like the original guys post pointed out The show runners know the fans are all too happy to shove a round hole into a square peg, for them. They don't have to do a lot of work , they just put it out there, and be silent. The gorn for example was a terrible retcon idea. Some fans however will defend it to the death. Do gymnastics to fold, break, wedge and stuff it into continuity. The show runners know this. And are just smiling there faces off

[@seth8629]

Yup as said above Pike is not told the correct course of action, only that his failed. I'm addition he doesn't get infinite tries to keep doing it.

[@k--music]

At the end of the episode Admiral Pike tells him that 'no matter what' Spock gets seriously injured or dies, with any and every choice Pike could make. It's very much a cop-out, and they probably could've had a smarter way of figuring out why he couldn't just make better decisions, but they did think about that problem at least

[@rangergooseman]

By the way, just Pike knowing his fate alters the timeline, so they can deviate from canon slightly, I expect if SNW goes into the Kirk era, They'll tell both Original and updated classic episodes

[@tekkphreke]

I can't help but think that the last episode of SNW is going to be a remake of The Cage.

[@travisboyle285]

It takes place after The Cage. Discovery season 2 did a call back/sequel episode to The Cage.

[@willie417]

so the klingons wanted to put that Blade in him

[@warwargr3654]

What i find funny is what this means, while humans were still recovering from World War 3 and the Vulcans have established with their own limited understanding that time travel was impossible...Klingons must have been randomly appearing in peoples rooms throughout history to cut them down for one reason or another...probably for giggles.

[@WarGrowlmon18]

Not really: as depicted in Discovery, those time crystals are tricky things. Not even the Chancellor has authority over the planet where they're from. In Discovery, Pike made a deal with the monks that look after them to get one, but the monk warned him that the future he saw when he touched it would be set in stone if he took the crystal. It showed him his disfigured fate, but he accepted it. The effects of touching that first time crystal are what triggered his visions and obsession with changing his fate throughout SNW. But actually USING THEM to time travel??? Almost impossible: Michael Burnham's parents harnessed the power of a supernova to charge it. Discovery used a process developed by an alien princess and even so, that was going to burn out the crystal and make it a one way trip.

[@Wizardof]

K'mtar and Janeway and now Pike.

[@macbuff81]

This scene seems eerily remniscient of one contained in "Star Trek: Generations"

[@scottbennett6357]

Regardless of Canon, if they somehow figure out a way of getting pike out of his fate, or lessen the effects, I might consider it an acceptable change of Canon.

[@daltysmilth]

Wouldn’t it be funny if it turned out the consequences of his altering the timeline just turned out to be a very minor inconvenience, like he gets a splinter, or a papercut, or he’s ten minutes late to a party and misses something hilarious?

[@johnminehan1148]

Is Pike or is Kirk more similar to Robert Mitchum's DDE captain in The Enemy Below?

[@WizzRacing]

Everybody says he can step down.. Well no he can't.. As he never goes to Talos IV... He never changes other things that he did before the Accident..As he was never there to accomplish them...Not to mention the crew he recruited and mentored..

[@k--music]

I wonder why the klingons care at all about this. From the episode there aren't any universe shattering paradoxes or anything like that, just a romulan war with the federation. If anything that puts the klingons' two enemies against each other or potential for another glorious war they could get involved in.

[@samtime2711]

Beacuse, if there able to see timeline, they know what kind glory the empire would be missing out , if one time line is changed to much.

[@animateddepression]

In the future, he turns into an Oompa Loompa?

[@Wizardof]

So did they find one of those rare needles to make that?

[@Kirklind]

But what about the mighty "Temporal Prime Directive"?

[@djargus]

Janeway: "To Hell with it!"

[@Kirklind]

@@djargus I getting headach by to try to figure out fatalism and causality in Pike's situation. Even though I study quantum theory and mechanics, unusual for a 18 years old boy, I still get headaches. And other temporal concepts.

[@k1productions87]

If anything, future Pike is upholding the Temporal Prime Directive by making sure present-day Pike doesn't violate it.

[@MehWhatever99]

The Temporal Prime Directive doesn’t exist yet. The regular Prime Directive just barely exists.

[@captainjefferies9047]

Directives aren't really rules.

[@Raguleader]

3:28: The war between the Federation and the Romulan gets to bad that the Klingons are ready to "Let's kill Hitler" Pike.

[@scottpoerschke8807]

Pike can make the decision to attack the Romulan. Issue solved.

[@gamerbenjji]

is that a tos type of uniforrm on tha admiral pike

[@k1productions87]

Its an upgraded "Monster Maroon" from Wrath of Khan - Undiscovered Country

[@DS9TREK]

@@k1productions87 and also seen in Generations

[@k1productions87]

@@DS9TREK And episodes of TNG, but since they weren't the primary featured uniform of the movie/episode in question, they're more of a footnote of said movie. Why I don't mention Generations as such

[@basilforth]

A time crystal. Right.

[@Wizardof]

The black part is at an angle, not straight across like in TWOK.

[@ebee-uz1oz]

so basically, admiral pike left talosian world after getting healed? or did he not encounter the part of his life when he was crippled?

[@JHdamnihatehandles]

Basically he avoids the events that lead him to be crippled thus creating a timeline where he still commands the Enterprise in the future instead of Kirk.

[@ebee-uz1oz]

@@JHdamnihatehandles that makes more sense. thank you

[@briananthony4044]

@@JHdamnihatehandles and makes decisions that Kirk wouldn't have made, that seemed right, in a Archer/Picard PC sort of way, but ended up plunging the Federation into another long war with the Romulans.

[@mattrobson3603]

Pike had a pony, and it got put down because it broke its leg? It's the 23rd century, there's replicators and teleportation and faster-than-light travel and they still can't fix horse legs?

[@aw3752]

I didn’t understand what the time crystals were. Can someone explain them? Were they in some episode of Discovery? I don’t recall them in any other series.

[@brentaughe7539]

Season two of discovery. Pike touched it and saw himself in the wheelchair. They are in a Klingon world.

[@aw3752]

@@brentaughe7539 Ah. Okay. I haven’t seen Discovery yet. Thanks!

[@captainjefferies9047]

@@aw3752 Don't. it's not worth it. Maybe cherry pick a few episodes but on the whole it's a drag.

[@kev30631]

That was just some awful idea that the discovery writes came up with. Which now pike was saddled with .

[@TheBad63]

@@aw3752 just watch the episodes with pike ... you will probably get bored with the rest

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

Come on, man. Everyone and their targ has time travelled. Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Archer, Harry Kim, Seven of Nine, the entire Discovery crew. I am getting bitter.

[@kenboydart]

The white balance is off ........... and in shadow, for god sake people turn the lights on .

[@nicksteele9436]

Prepare... for unforeseen consequences.

[@Snowdragon.]

You think with CGI they could have made the actor look more like William Shatner. And why is Cpt. Pike talking to the Klingons ? Kirk was having problems with them all the time, hence he was the best “Space Sheriff” in Starfleet !!!

[@ThatElfNerd]

Speaking as a 3D artist, CGI is a very tricky, and hard to accomplish feat to get looking great. It's why Disney, despite having all their de-aging effects, haven't made a Star Wars series focused on Luke, Leai and Han that takes place between episodes 6 and 7. The technology can only work for a few short scenes, and even then, depending on the footage they have available for that, it's very hit and miss. In TOS, the lighting and camerawork they had for filming is different than the camerawork and lighting they use now. Not to mention that it's grainier, and harder to pull a picture-perfect re-creation. Any CGI they'd do to change Paul Wesley to look like young William Shatner would instantly look fake. Especially the longer you'd have to look at it. An entire show where a character's CGI? the cracks in the art will show more and more. Not to mention the astronomical costs of paying artists around the clock to make all these new actors look like other actors for the sake of fan nostaligia, and the show will blow their budget to the point that they won't even be able to make new sets or have grand finale space battles.

[@JohnnyZenith]

He is so skinny it's off putting.

[@TheGaijinsider]

*sad beep* 🥺

[@cell718]

Pike is weak long live 🦅Rormulas🦅

[@matthewmcnerlin231]

Wonder how much they had to pay to use the uniform

[@patrickschulz2193]

… however much it cost to reproduce it? Who else would they be paying, they're holding the rights to use the established designs any way they wish.

[@matthewmcnerlin231]

@@patrickschulz2193 Viacom do, but Secret Hideout do not. Their contract is under a different license. I am not going by KZbin, but practical knowledge for when the merger occurred. When that occurred the contract was still under a different license and extended as such. Intellectual property is extremely complicated and that is why we are remunerated accordingly, however, if you are not familiar with IP, contract law inter alia the best example of similar circumstances is Doctor Who. For the 50th they couldn’t reproduce or get extended footage of 9 as the BBC would have to pay royalties for the image rights. Similar but slightly more complicated issue here. I actually see differences which could negate some issues around using canon designs

[@DS9TREK]

@@matthewmcnerlin231 the BBC would've needed to pay to reuse Eccleston's image cos there's an agreement with the trade union, Equity, that TV channels have to pay actors to reuse old scenes in new productions, so that the BBC can't get around paying actors. Paying to use the old costumes is in no way comparable. Paramount owns the copyright to the uniform, Paramount is also the primary studio producing SNW through its wholly owned subsidiary, CBS Studios. Why would Paramount waste money and paperwork paying itself to use something it owns?

[@matthewmcnerlin231]

@@DS9TREK unfortunately, it is not as simple as that. I cannot go into how I know specifics but what I while say and I’m simple legal terms is that this stems to when the rights of ST were split. The contract that the production company has is not for the entirety of the canon shows it is ‘part licence’ for a lack of a better term. They can use aspects but they have to pay to the original copyright holders - doesn’t help that through the years ST has changed ownership too. This is why things are different and not quite right, and why most of the shows are based in the ‘TOS’ years. I am not sure about the specifics about Picard, but one would say that they have probably lost a ton of money for that show. This is a mixture of extremely complex contract and IP law. Further, you are touching the surface with DW, but unless you have a working knowledge of IP and other relatable areas of law it is nothing more than that. While the BBC broadcasts the show, Chris also had a contractual right over his image. Image rights are other complex area. I once wrote a paper on how to create a new set of property rights on image but that’s a side point. Also love the username. DS9 is the best

[@seinanfletcher6076]

Can't Pike run things as usual up until the time of the accident then call off the training exercise thus saving everyone then retire and promote Kirk to Captain? Temporal mechanics gives me a headache.

[@WarGrowlmon18]

The reason that all of this got included in the shows is that this is LITERALLY Christopher Pike's canon fate: he's horribly disfigured in that accident. TOS has a 2 part episode covering the aftermath of that. In the end, Spock arranges for Pike to settle on that planet with the telepathic aliens, Talos 4. Remember the ones who helped Spock when his memory got screwed up??? Well, they're able to give Pike a comfy life using their illusion powers so to him it seems like he's back to normal again and he lives out the rest of his life with the woman who helped Burnham and Spock when they went there. Pike met and fell in love with her on a mission in the original pilot episode TOS.

[@Vipre-]

The only misstep with that uniform is the sleeves. Totally unnecessary and the two-tone look of the different materials drags it down.