Adobe is Using Your Art for AI: how to turn it off

[@CrownePrince]

NOTE: If you are on a university or company account, you won't be able to opt-out. Only the main admin is allowed to choose settings for the entire group. (holy ugh that's terrible) AI data collection is going to keep being added to more and more programs. If you don't want AI datasets downloading your work, name, address, appearance, etc, and using it, you have to opt out.

[@Itsgrilledpasta]

It's honestly so slimy the fact Adobe automatically opted in like other companies, especially since Adobe was considered industry standards for years! It's really unfair for us artists to have to worry about sites or programs we use randomly putting OUR hard work into THEIR ai database without us even knowing about it!

[@seikanekasin]

This is why it's morally correct to pirate Adobe.

[@roxsy470]

This is why we should just get rid of IP laws, then artists would have no legal grounds to complain about AI art.

[@roxsy470]

@@seikanekasin Pirating should be legal, and likewise what AI do should be legal.

[@seikanekasin]

@@roxsy470 oh no... It's stupid.

[@CrashingThunder]

Part of me feels like this is very, very deliberate. And not for the immediately obvious reason (because more data to train = better AI models). I think another part these sites are making the system opt-out of AI is because, immediately after announcing and implementing the system, they can run their AI training on all the existing data that users have "allowed" (since they haven't had a moment to uncheck it yet). That way they get their models, and know that most people aren't going to bother with switching it off anyway, so going forward it'll still be valuable to them.

[@CrownePrince]

Most privacy settings are opt-out (unfortunately). As you said, people don't bother switching settings off, especially if they're unaware they exist. From a profit perspective it's always better to have an opt-out system rather than trying to convince people to opt-in to something.

[@CrashingThunder]

@@CrownePrince I wonder if they'll reverse things to be opt-in like DeviantArt did. Doing that appears like they're "listening", but I think not everyone realizes they'd already have made off with what they wanted (or at least they would have been able to). The data only needs to be allowed once for them to train the model. After that they don't need it again. I could be off on my assumptions in a myriad of ways, but to me it all feels like deliberate decisions to dodge legal and/or reputational ramifications (on top of the other reasons you mentioned).

[@swishfish8858]

Better AI models means less jobs for artists, which means fewer people using their overpriced programs and services. I'm not sure why companies like Adobe are so excited for this.

[@mikekomarinski]

@CrownePrince U did turned off those settings did U?

[@Trazel_Apeally]

@@CrownePrince Privacy laws in the US need to improve if we ever want to have any hope of having companies stop doing these scummy backhanded work arounds on us

[@Nyans]

Its so frustrating to see many companys associated with artists start adding AI generators.. and use user's work with not asking... we really need some law for ai database

[@pastelplanets2567]

The irony of getting an adobe ad immediately after your video ends 🙃🙃🙃 damn you’re right it’s very frustrating to only hear about this kind of stuff through artists rather than the company itself-

[@ryanpmcguire]

The law must be changed such that any “changes to our terms of service” must include only the changes and not the entire thing all over again. Additionally, long online contracts must be ordered from most objectable to least objectable.

[@des4929]

Most to least objectionable is in the eye of the beholder

[@sgurdmeal662]

It's kinda cursed that you have to do this 💀

[@cheiftainvulpix]

Fr 💀

[@SLINGSH07]

guys just listen jesus christ.

[@PDAnimation]

I spent several hours over Christmas talking to a few of my siblings, and hearing them explain how they've been using AI to get art, video edits, and writing for various projects. I'm not really sure how to feel yet, but I'm starting to fear that a lot of Artists livelihood is going to suffer as time goes on.

[@CrownePrince]

It's conflicting, isn't it! It might take a couple years but I have a hunch AI will become less like a tool, and more like a replacement. I'm also rather sure the better AI generators will be a paid-only service.

[@TheHuskyK9]

Corporations and networks are already adopting and promoting it due to saving them money from paying real artists and animators. And it's not just art, they are already investing money for AI musicians as well.

[@fricka4798]

ive gotten music albums recommended to me with clearly AI generated covers and I never listen. its just very unproffesional

[@nadiaplaysgames2550]

@@CrownePrince i do think of replacement may have little risk and not fully worked out but for sure with stable diffusion and open models while people stealing art on small scales atleast it free and open source and not locked behind a paid only service still lotta legal work needs to be done

[@OseanBigshot444]

The thing about 'good intentions', is the Road to Hell is usually paved with them.

[@Slyshibe]

it sucks how you have to go out of your way to say no to this they should ask you upfront like its a privacy policy

[@Lolo_Sketches]

This is so fucked, thank you for making artists aware of this and helping us.

[@Omikel]

It would be funny if some other program would be like "I allow (company name) to take my full identity and personhood away from me" And then have it be automatically on "yes"

[@CrownePrince]

You're joking, but this is basically what we are trying to fight against right now. The AI issue is a lot broader than just art and involves these problems of data theft and people's privacy.

[@Omikel]

@@CrownePrince Precisely. Data is very valuable and your digital privacy is yours and yours alone. It's none of anyone else's business unless you yourself voluntarily agrees to them having you data. Adobe is braking this by making that choice for you without asking you for permission. We just want to draw, not deal with legally...

[@Freesorin837]

I think diffusion based programs that make music using A.I. are limited to drawing data from a pool of musical works that are copywrite free and preapproved by the artist themselves, because if the sites and companies hosting these A.I. tools were found to be using copywrited works from big music companies the legal fallout would be cataclysmic. That being said I wonder what would happen if someone uploaded every frame from every Disney animated film ever into an A.I. generator.

[@CrownePrince]

Yep. Because companies are afraid of the music industry. Meanwhile visual artists are easy to abuse, so until there are lawsuits we're just going to get trampled over.

[@strangerdanger7803]

I can see that potentially sparking a lawsuit that might push forth a new set of laws surrounding AI technology. Kind of like getting a bully to fight another bully so the adults have to make new rules at the playground sort of thing. After all, Disney is VERY VICIOUS about their copyright, and if they suspect something is up, they will bite and bite hard.

[@kirbokirbstar]

Dang this content analysis option doesn’t even show for me. Perhaps because I’m on a school account 😭😭.

[@CrownePrince]

Yep! In that case the school is the one who has the admin account and chooses the data privacy settings. I believe the same is true for any companies with a multi-license set up. The main admin decides.

[@SilverLining1]

@@CrownePrince oh, lovely

[@cat-puter3475]

This is my first time hearing about this! Thank you for making a video about it, as now i know to change my settings to protect my art in the future. I know Adobe has made some bad choices, but this is pretty low for all the things they have done to their customers.

[@irithylldragon]

*IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE VIDEO ENDED I GOT AN AD FOR ADOBE AFTER EFFECTS* 💀

[@DunstansShoe]

I've been one of those adobe haters for a long time. I was against subscription based software and Adobe was one of the major players to push that into being, and they do shit like the pantone thing, and just like.... feels like it's always something with Adobe. Like, other companies pull this sort of shit, and if all of them do it, there's no escape... But for me I edit in Resolve, draw in Sai2, photo edit in Affinity, and just generally try to use software that doesn't pull Adobe level anti-consumer BS. And yeah, they're an industry standard, so some people are hostages to it. But some people have a choice, and when they choose to contort themselves into whatever shape best suits Adobe's lustful advances when they don't have to... it's sad. It's frustrating. But the AI stuff is bigger than Adobe, as you said, and that sucks. AI art isn't inherently bad in a vacuum, but we don't live in a vacuum. Automation ideally is supposed to give us more time to do things we like, but in our world, that is not what happens, so very gloomy context for new technology.

[@TeleportRush]

Maybe we need to make society care less about if every single person is contributing to 'the workforce' so we can actually reap the rewards of automation instead of be forced to compete with it for survival.

[@jackofminds8338]

Thanks for the info. Hopefully Adobe gets the same backlash DeviantArt did.

[@vexillumvixen6054]

This isn’t the first time Adobe got backlash for something shitty

[@BunkerSquirrel]

So we’re paying for a cloud service, and adobe has the gall to profit off our work and not compensate us?

[@IvellScarlett]

Pirate Adobe, it is always moraly correct.

[@dantheman2907]

I saw someone post about this issue probably around the time this video was posted and I defended Adobe, saying that it was only a permission that allowed them to improve things like their auto select and content aware fill etc, not to train generative AI. I feel so dirty for defending them now, knowing what they were actually up to in the background with developing Firefly. I should have known better.

[@FfStar]

Don't use Adobe myself so sadly idk if any of my programs have or lack permissions.

[@Ishbosheth.]

At least the open source stuff probably won't do this... Time to start learning Krita :P

[@500werewolf]

WTF?!!! STOP WITH OPT OUT SYSTEMS!!! THIS SUCKS FOR EVERYONE EVERYTIME COMPANIES DO THIS!!!

[@mix-up9003]

Thanks for the head up, even if I never connected my Ps CS5 and for the past three been using Krita and Blender, I will spread the word on my end.

[@Myslexia]

Thank you so much for making this video! I honestly had no idea and will be turning this feature off.

[@navyntune8158]

the worst part is that this function is probably meant to observe man made art and find the pattern between each of them, fabricate steps to making good art and then imitate human art, but ultimately it just can't do it right

[@doifhg]

Pretty interesting, there are tons of fields working towards automation of everything, but lot's of functional applications where it doesn't make sense to do so. This is definately a gray area application of ai/automation.

[@OleqsaG]

mine was off by default

[@GldnClaw]

Like how music started selling Vinyl again, I recommend switching back to the physical medium. Also, I would like for us to think locally once again. The guy who does Schlock Mercenary is local to my city, I'd consider getting a piece from him if there were a local-focused-styled app.

[@CrownePrince]

Funny you should mention this. I've been trying to build the courage to make some physical art, again, after so many years pure digital.

[@GldnClaw]

@@CrownePrince Well, Put out about 3 test pieces, Advertise it here (either auction or a price you can live with) and see how it goes. Anything you can do to make it the most "real" (IE: canvas, exceptional-quality paper etc) will emphasize the fact that there's humanity behind the piece.

[@angrycat1232]

As a person who regularly pirates Adobe's software, it's nice to feel vindicated, yet again.

[@IvellScarlett]

Also use GLAZE and Nightshade for gods sake

[@Xaniyo]

It still amazes me that people are still paying for adobe software

[@sanekibeko]

I just checked my settings from the link and it's not showing it for me. Maybe cause my account is a school's. The only thing I'm seeing is Connected Apps.

[@CrownePrince]

Hi, yes! If you are on a school account or a company account, it's only the main admin account that the school/company is in charge of that has the power to set the data privacy permissions.

[@sanekibeko]

@@CrownePrince Thanks for the info. I'll bring this concern up with my school and hopefully they do something.

[@professorxivass]

the setting isn't showing on my account help! I got creative cloud cause it was part of my college program, now what am I gonna do, did I was my years in my program learning adobe only for it to pull this stupid stunt?

[@nah9954]

There needs to be an alternative to this corporate swinery. Disgusting.

[@mossmeow]

Making this feature opt-out instead of opt-in is shady. I don’t use Adobe products, but if I did I would intentionally flood their AI datasets with garbage. If Adobe wants to screw around, then they can find out.

[@mattparsons433]

Thank you for this! I don’t know how / why but just noticed after drawing a monk doing a martial arts pose in Fresco, my Pinterest was filled with AI art with martial arts poses. Like WTF?! just checked my settings and Adobe permissions were opted in.

[@serkandevel7828]

Desing of Permission settings are not in the hands of the developers but the bean counters running the company. While Adobe charges for using their software at high prices, the company in return gets many free works done by their customers by default. Btw, Adobe products run much faster when pirated as described in a Louis Rossman video

[@protosam5556]

For my purposes, krita works fine for me, it's free. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles that photoshop has, but I don't need them

[@bugvideos2030]

KZbin GODS SPREAD THIS VID ITS IMPORTANT

[@kattimate]

Thank you for this heads up, I'm glad i barely started using the app.

[@MegaAniLinkFan]

Now it makes sense...improve the software, improve the company, improve the service....not improve the people, not improve the consumers, not improve the talent, not improve the artist. Also it doest show up for me to make that option....maybe because it's a student account for my university...that's pretty messed up guys that I can't have privacy....

[@CrownePrince]

I often wonder what the world might be like if we improved socially instead of technologically.

[@MegaAniLinkFan]

@@CrownePrince SHE RESPONDE- *Ahem* Indeed, I wish we could all work on our own selves. With all the technology we are losing focus on what matters, finding meaning in work and hobbies, and just having instant happiness which is fleeting...reminds me of Squidward quote when he and Spongebob went on strike: "Nobody gives a care about the fate of labor as long as they can get their instant gratification." We didn't listen to all the warnings growing up.

[@MegaAniLinkFan]

@@CrownePrince Are there alternatives you know for art, animation, and movie making that take a stand by not using this AI thing? All I know is that Newgrounds doesn't allow AI stuff on their website which its great.

[@mido3332]

I wanted to comment and say my words on this "AI vs Artist" situation that is going on around the web recently I'm not an Artist but a similar situation happened 2 years ago when there's was an AI generating YTPs, most YTPoopers where mad and afraid for a couple of months but then people kinda forgot about it. So I think AI generated art will never replace a good Artist, there for I don't think it should banned, any good company or person will always hire a real human to do stuff Rather that a robot (unless it's a scammy one) The 2 biggest problem that I believe to be bigger concerns are: people pretending to be Artists using AI, these should be banned and companies stealing Art from other artists to feed the AI, the Frist problem can be easily solved by Real artists who have a better eye for these, and the other problem that needs lawsuits and awareness. I believe that AI Art should be studied, it should be used more as a tool to improve your experience and learning Rather that a cheep alternative, Real Art will always come from effort and hard work but a don't see anything wrong with someone or something giving you some advice. This is my hot take, time to get roasted

[@CrownePrince]

I wonder that too, if this will blow over as a fad, but the reason I am doubtful on this one is because AI is a technology that deals with everything, not just art. The larger problem has to do with privacy and how much literally anyone is allowed to do with, say, an AI that looks like you. Or an AI that can track the location of anyone on the planet.

[@philippruizlozano]

Ahhh so there is their source. Off course! I remember hearing about Firefly not using copyrighted images to train their AI. Now I get it.

[@Local-Hyena37]

Does this applies to krita ??

[@Itsgrilledpasta]

My guess is probably no, Krita is an open source program made by ARTIST, not owned by adobe, so I don't think Krita would be supportive of putting users artwork in an AI. Then again I'm not completely sure I think you'd have to check their TOS, since like crowne said, these companies aren't making this information easy to find at all. I hope my assumption of them not supporting AI is correct, because I do really enjoy using Krita, and it's really saddening to see more and more companies sneakily adding new policies that automatically opt in OUR artwork into their AI without our true consent.

[@vexillumvixen6054]

Krita is anti AI as of their recent Twitter post.

[@Local-Hyena37]

@@vexillumvixen6054 perfect

[@paranoidleviathan3016]

Commenting and liking in hopes you get more attention for this.

[@SleepyLuigi]

We shouldn’t yet AI take anything we own! It’s already getting more advanced. Soon enough people won’t notice how much is taken and be impressed, although WE are the reason AI is growing like this.

[@gregorycarlson6445]

How are folks feeling about using GIMP and Krita these days?

[@FoxTheRad]

I saw this today on reddit, I hate that this is becoming the norm

[@senditall152]

Ofcourse it is on by default....

[@poltergeistghost]

We’re alll just doomed 😔

[@abyssangel76]

Im so disapointed off this compañies right now

[@johnrainsman6650]

*Question to Crowne Prince (well, assuming he'll notice this comment, so I'll just cross my fingers)* Would you be interested in making a remake of the Thousand Year Door scene with Grodus and Mario? Only this time, _Grodus_ wins, is crushed by Bowser, but gets back up to fight him and Kammy Koopa, along with an arriving Lord Crump? Bowser wins, but now _he_ gets attacked after awakening the stubborn Shadow Queen

[@koolkat1361]

at least you can turn it off

[@TheRandomPosterTRP]

*sighs in "when will this nightmare end?"*

[@Freshy10]

*laughs in macromedia flash 2004*

[@shadowpack3124]

I have the good news, ironically enough Peta may have saved artists from AI art! basically, there's this case a while ago a monkey where a monkey took a ton of photos of itself and this guy was selling them for money. Peta sued him because technically he did not take the photos, the monkey did, peta won that case. Which makes it so a lot of artists can make the argument that the robot made the art And it was not made by a human Therefore, it is automatically free use. It still sucks but people Can train aI on other people's art without The artist permission, but at least If the case goes through and artists win all AI art will be under free Use.

[@ceresco_]

Thank you crowne for helping artists and other creators by warning them about this, and happy early birthday

[@kezam1297]

Pirate version?

[@okarnhict]

Thank you for making this, I wouldn't have known. I only use 2 of their products anyway so I think this is a sign to discontinue.

[@RossOzarka]

I have this program that keeps adobe from using any of my art: it's called Krita.

[@fluffy-hellhound]

"Hello, fellow artists. Do you want to put your work into our meat grinder and feed what ever comes out to an ungrateful npc community that does nothing but spit in your eye?"

[@azianimations4883]

Thank you for posting this! I didn't even know!

[@TheArtofKAS]

Well darn. Thank you for this.... Just thank you. I hope to the very least that all these programs email you about new changes like this.... But probably not 😩

[@Kiyprii]

This kind of thing needs to be illegal

[@scatmanjohnfan22]

Proof Adobe piracy is morally correct xD

[@PineapplePanda]

Ty for this video reminding me to turn this off!

[@copperon]

This is why I use MS Paint.

[@mikekomarinski]

I hope you'll B alright because of this. *hugs*

[@Inactivechannel-r6]

This is down right scummy, the way they do it so quietly to steal your art for AI

[@Z_A_Nomad]

I think the best way to turn it off is to turn off adobe. Started out using adobe stuff back in highschool, cs4-cs5. It was taught to me in my vocational design class as "Industry standard" (School teaching kids to worship corporate overlords is not good and is a great example of the systematic corruption those weird hippies you never understood talk about.) Seemed ok mid 2000s but they have been downhill ever since. I made the smart choice of jumping ship when they started subscription crap and never looked back. Adobe is cancer. (But yes I understand certain very foolish employers who aren't designers gonna try to force you into the Adobe environment because they too were sold the same lie back in school but never actually used the products themselves regularly and thus never saw past the pretty whitewash. *Shrugs* can't be helped but awareness is key to making change for the future. So bend, but never break.)

[@TheHydrakeHydra]

This is really messed up, jeez

[@wgkgarrett]

Thank you for making this, this is very important info

[@Arcticgreen]

The cycle of bad decisions of large companies continues. We've seen it with other companies, we'll continue seeing it in the future. DO NOT PANIC! The next step is they will indeed make it hard-burned into the agreement. At which point, a HUGE number of their participants will abandon 'The Company'. Class-action lawsuits against the company may follow. Whether they follow or not, the artists will meander to other companies. One of these companies will surprisingly shine. Not quite as polished and well known, but it works well and gives the artists what they wanted in the first place. This new company starts getting more attention, more money, and grows, it's products get better and more well known. They don't know exactly what they're doing so there are a few flops, but it's mostly positive. Until this new company makes the same bad decisions that the old company (which never truly recovered) did, and the cycle repeats.

[@Bifinley]

Thats pretty scary

[@HandheldGamer1991]

Ffs! Seriously?! Wow i didn't expect that.

[@Sabrinahuskydog]

Do remember that none of this matters in "the grand scheme of things". That is: Anything that you post to a public place that can be viewed on someone's web browser can and will be used for AI training, with or without your permission or even without you even knowing it's happened. People are already doing this to train AI with. Even if you opt out of all of these things your work will still be used for AI training if you post it to the public anywhere. It doesn't have to be directly downloaded either. Anyone anywhere in the world that can view your art on a website can take a screenshot and save it and use it for AI training.

[@ajthefkremage1017]

thanks for the video!!!!!

[@TheMizuPanda]

This is a comment for the youtube algorithm.

[@CrownePrince]

Thank you. :)

[@angelturtle3732]

I didn't even know about this, I don't even use Adobe but I'm furious. Thank you for spreading this information to artist

[@anthonymarziano9984]

How about we don,t use Adobe to submit our art if the people that worked on it are not going to make any income back., you could inspire people to create better art, I think you video are really insightful, you talk about what you like about the piece of art while also critiquing what they should improve there craft.

[@LamplightProductions]

This should be opt-in, not opt-out. Disgusting.

[@abledbody]

I'm pretty sure this is illegal. Maybe Adobe can say "We won't let you use our stuff if you don't let us use our files," but they can't change the license to your art. If they're using your art for commercial purposes without being granted a license to it, it's copyright infringement. Plain and simple.

[@roxsy470]

My feed has one video supporting AI art right below this video.

[@poenpotzu2865]

Well not surprised

[@philippruizlozano]

I'm not too angry because I use Clip Studio Paint for my art but, I use Adobe CC for graphic design, so... 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂still bad.

[@DerpyDaringDitzyDoo]

Whaaaaaat that's ridiculous wtf even. Like the fact that it's like this means people who don't use it anymore but did in the past will pretty much always have their art accessible for ai, whether they want it or not! Yeah that's pretty shady...

[@theoutsider8745]

Alternative art programs for the win lol.

[@Bruh-lq7ev]

Every day we become closer to the world of Deus Ex

[@M1chael42O1]

I said it on your Twitter and I'll say it here. Just another reason to not use Adobe products

[@fhrbhthht968]

Glad I don’t use adobe programs

[@trooper7x7]

emm.. oh that's definitely illegal in EU im almost sure that cant opt people in to stuff thats so messed up

[@dimthecat9418]

Why wouldn’t you want your art used for AI?

[@CrownePrince]

For me it's the issue of not being paid by the person using my work to make money.

[@dimthecat9418]

@@CrownePrince ah

[@bugvideos2030]

@@dimthecat9418 also the fact is they’re training off of our art to create their own (basically a computer copying a artist made art style and making money off of it )

[@dimthecat9418]

@@bugvideos2030 how would this hurt any particular artist exactly?

[@magnusvir8]

so, i've gotta ask; why is this only now a problem? google has been taking every image from its image search to train AI for several years now. and (this next part is more of an assumption since i don't personally know anyone that trains AI) the easiest way to train an AI with artistic styles would be to just shovel any and every image from search engines like google into the neural network for training.

[@CrownePrince]

It's been a problem but it's only now that the general public is starting to be aware of it. Because AI has gotten so much stronger, content uses that users didn't sign up for (or even expect) are appearing.

[@roxsy470]

@@CrownePrince I mean technically they did sigh up for it in the EULA, but sure.

[@fanadrawnimation3001]

Même sur Behance... J'ai bien fait de supprimer mon compte...

[@plesuski]

tysm!

[@OhNoTheFace]

Wow that is dirty as hell Adobe

[@AlexMint]

If I'm paying hundreds of dollars a year, if not thousands, I need to own my own work by default. For heck's sake, free software like Blender doesn't pull this crud.

[@CloudCuckooCountry]

Thanks I hate it!

[@NutmegNekomata]

That is crazy