Adobe - The Controversial History

[@dwood78part23]

This company belongs on the "Why They're Hated" list, not controversial one.

[@JL-sm6cg]

I was thinking "bigger than you know", but that works too.

[@tigerxxd]

@@JL-sm6cgmost people would kinda figure that adobe is as big as it is

[@chewycenter7690]

@dwood78part23 When I vsaw the logo, I thought for sure it would be Why They're Hated.

[@monsieurlemon]

I think it's because they used to make good things

[@leongay3190]

they belong on both lists

[@brenthrax]

Been using Adobe stuff since 1995. Went from cutting edge to bloatware monopoly. Competition is good kids.

[@lexwaldez]

bloatware is 100% correct. the last decent version of Acrobat was 4.0

[@Tommy43040]

adobe was always sht. that's the hard truth, the only reason they got to the position today was by buying out their competitors and crippling their products.

[@andywellsglobaldomination]

100% agree... started using Aldus Pagemaker but needed Adobe fonts to do pre-press.

[@cameraman655]

Ditto, specifically PS and later LR. I wish there was a serious competitor out there, sadly none exist. I have used (and still do for many) them all. But there is no eco-system from the competition that can compete head-to-head with Adobe, and that is where they have me by the short hairs. But I am still looking for a way off the Adobe “Plantation”.

[@Allen-L-Canada]

Good for the shareholders, bad for the consumers.

[@UnchartedMedia]

I edited on Premiere Pro for over a decade and finally got too fed up with the subscription, constant bugs and crashes, and switched to Davinci Resolve. Easily one the best editing choices I've ever made!

[@Madkalibyr]

I’ve been debating on which to use, Davinci it is

[@UnchartedMedia]

@@Madkalibyr There's a bit of a learning curve but there's tons of great KZbin tutorials to get you up to speed in no time!

[@Allen-L-Canada]

there is a learning curve, but it is worthy in the long-term.

[@Bobspineable]

Final Cut Pro is also very good but that requires you to use Mac.

[@Bobspineable]

​@@MadkalibyrFinal Cut Pro is good but it requires you to use MacOS. If you are willing to switch

[@COCarDude]

Thanks for reminding me to cancel my adobe membership

[@travisbickle1455]

Good luck in doing so.

[@clumsydrawer]

blud don't know the price of cancelling membership 💀

[@COCarDude]

@@clumsydrawer there's definitely a price to pay

[@SimpleeKomplex]

Good luck with that. You'll probably have to report your card as lost/stolen to avoid that charge.

[@reesek209]

you need to not unsubscribe but to change your subscription over to a different adobe software and then after it goes through then you unsubscribe

[@TrevHughes]

Any company that requires a fee to cancel a subscription is not a company that I support. Pure greed

[@Ctrl_Del_0]

legalized corruption

[@aal7268]

Literally

[@ProductBasement]

Any person who will agree to pay something for a year and then pulls the plug early is not someone Adobe wants as a customer

[@undermoonlightglow]

Like activating a phone fee. One key-stroke: $35..

[@PhysicsGamer]

@@ProductBasement Clearly not, given how hard they make it to stop being a customer at that point.

[@Just_Preston]

Nothing quite like getting an Adobe Ad on a video about Adobe.

[@DylanJamesOfficial]

Nice 😂😂😂

[@sfoldy]

Wait! Don't hate on us yet. Wait until you can see all the great stuff we can do (in easy monthly payments of an arm, a leg, and a kidney)!

[@chewycenter7690]

Yep.

[@PrivateTrotter]

Me too 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TwoBitSpecialist]

Abridged Kaiba: "Do any of you own Adobe Photoshop legally?"

[@CZsWorld]

They're also being criticized for censorship now. The generative ai features in Photoshop don't let you edit any image that is considered too edgy

[@literallywhons4s]

or too sexy

[@JakeobE]

My 2008 version of photoshop is still never leaving any new computer I build. Subscription services for software are and will always be complete scams.

[@Digitaldreamer7]

You're an id10t

[@TonyPombo]

I am still using Creative Suite 6. I paid $1,300 for CS6 in 2012. I only use Photoshop, Illustrator, and Acrobat Pro. I estimate that I have saved over $6,000 during the last 12 years (and counting) by not buying Creative Cloud.

[@LuisLopez2]

God bless TNT and Core. Unsung heroes all.

[@stevebabiak6997]

Intuit Quickbooks leads me to do the same …

[@artysanmobile]

Prescription models in my industry, music production, have been transformative and virtually all positive. The company writing my chosen software was just failing and failing. I would pay $2000 for a perpetual license which could easily become fully obsolete in a few months, at which point I was looking at thousands more. This was unsustainable. The market remained my boss of course and when I needed to move forward to satisfy a change in technology, I had literally NO choice but to pay whatever was the going rate that year, for the software I use, created by AVID Corporation. It was a huge waste of money for me and still not nearly enough to keep AVID’s interest relevant, if not afloat. Their product was full of infuriating bugs and incompatibilities and my satisfaction as a customer was zero. For the last ten years, I pay AVID a prescription price. I always know what it will be and I choose at any time whatever of their dozens of versions I need to create a given project for a very fast-moving market. It saves me enormous amounts of money while at the same time giving AVID the steady stream of income they needed all along to conduct business in a way that we customers expected. There is no going back for me. The prescription model is perfect.

[@pass_]

I don't think I've ever seen more hatred for a tech company in recent memory, I quit doing ict work so I thankfully have managed to avoid them

[@Sypitz]

Are you in the US or Europe?

[@pass_]

@@Sypitz Europe

[@Ctrl_Del_0]

What about Microsoft and all it's software?! 💣 I am forced to use it at work. I hate it.

[@Sypitz]

@@pass_ my college in the states has an ICT program which I’ve taken a few classes in. It’s been on decline for a while because (from what I found out) ICT is the European name for the discipline, I don’t know why they used it over here but it’s butchered any discovery they would have for prospective students

[@illford]

​@@Ctrl_Del_0Microsoft has issues buy for most of them i can find perfectly good alternatives, Adobe is virtually the only option in some of these categories

[@Markimark151]

I used to love Photoshop and other Adobe products like Lightroom and After Effects, but their subscription business model ruined the experience, because I want full ownership in the software without annoying renewal updates, also they removed lots of legacy features for photo scanning and formatting old images! The older versions of photoshop was easier to use and worked with dedicated photo scanners!

[@Brangeta]

They've also never had any filtering in Photoshop to remove moire patterns (the dots from printing) from high resolution (600 dpi or higher) scans. Although I'm sure there is a better alternative from another company by now, I still have my ancient copy of Jasc Paint Shop Pro installed, solely for the purpose of moire pattern removal.

[@Markimark151]

@@Brangeta this is why we need competition in photo editing software.

[@kootunesscrewy]

I knew that ever since they got rid of Flash, they would get into very huge controversy. Thank goodness I only used Animate and Flash Player.

[@v0m1tg0r3gutzz]

real i pirated macro flash 8 and photoshop cs5 adobe can go screw themselves

[@KaitouKaiju]

Flash was bad for security

[@Vhryce]

@@KaitouKaiju thats what they all say when they want you to update

[@friendmaker9210]

​@@KaitouKaijuWow gee I wonder whose fault that was How come it wasn't bad for security when Macromedia controlled it?

[@chancetime6420]

Adobes TOS changes in early 2024 forced my departure as a user since it would have violated the terms of two contracts I was working under. Thank goodness for a lack of trust when it comes to Adobe, already had everything backed up on two separate external drives.

[@theenzoferrari458]

I like the part where you explain how it violates the contracts you were doing.

[@DeadDancers]

I think a lot of companies are trying really hard not to think about the change to TOS.

[@MarkelMathurin]

​@@theenzoferrari458I like the part where that is relevant

[@theenzoferrari458]

@@MarkelMathurin nah. Get a life. Cry and cope.

[@MarkelMathurin]

@@theenzoferrari458 your mother is not a lady

[@kenjakobi6676]

I HATE them! Needed to subscribe for a work ppt and it cost me $110 because I couldn't cancel after the 1st month and they charged me for the whole year! I hope they declare banruptcy!

[@acasualmusiclistener7919]

They probably just meant presentations and not specifically Microsoft PowerPoint ​@@aoterou

[@dreadnoughtandcrow]

REMEMEBER: Use Affinity. Use DaVinci. Use DXO. Use GIMP. Use anything but Adobe.

[@BlueFusion2910]

Yes.

[@BlueFusion2910]

Looks like Affinity is subscription based...

[@PXAbstraction]

​@@BlueFusion2910It isn't. I own Photo and Designer. They're buy once, own forever. They do have upgrade pricing for new major releases, but they're optional.

[@andrewmccrea37]

@@BlueFusion2910 It's not- it's a flat fee.

[@rexjarvis117]

@@BlueFusion2910no it's not as a veteran to Affinity

[@Splooth_Sleeping_Battery]

I don't feel like this video goes into details with 4 and specifically 5 on just how bad it is, like for example to say people were only just "worried" would be an understatement, specially because there were no ways to decline the new terms of service- so you couldn't even access your account to terminate your own account or even subscription.

[@jdnelms62]

As an artist, my life over the past 35 years has been directly tied to Adobe. Currently it’s forcing me to upgrade my computer because it stops supporting the older versions of its software. Planned obsolescence is alive and well at Adobe, and they don’t care who they ruin, regardless of how long you’ve been a paying customer.

[@jimslongroad419]

Love my Davinci Resolve. Paid for it once, free upgrades for life. I like it better than Premier, now that I have spent some time getting used to it!

[@OasisMusicOfficial]

The main issue with the creative cloud is that not only is it expensive, but some software doesnt perform at the level that youd expect to pay hundreds of dollars a month for. Premiere pro, for example, is super inefficient with bigger projects, even if you have a more than capable computer. Not only is it a problem for individual creators, but complaints are also coming from companies that often rely on enterprise level software to function. Youd think that having to pay hundreds of dollars a month would at least guarantee that the software (that you dont even own) would work efficiently. But no

[@glynnetolar4423]

That was kind of the promise with subscription software. You'd get the latest version with the latest big fixes. Seems the promise isn't true after all. It was just a money grab. Imagine that.

[@TerryWhisk]

The devs break programs so they have something to “fix” every “update” to justify their jobs. Additionally with little competition, Adobe has no incentive to actually make anything useful.

[@GetSmartish]

Hopefully the runner up controversy is that of Adobe being essentially spyware. Adobe processes cannot be closed or deactivated, whether you are using the applications or not. Nor can I limit Adobe's access by keeping it on a single, non-admin user profile. Adobe says, "trust us. we're not doing anything shady." Right. Naturally, I have to have a dedicated Adobe machine, for no other purpose than running creative cloud.

[@Azmodaeus49]

They used to be great until they went down the aubscription path

[@kootunesscrewy]

They really went downhill once Flash died.

[@TheFinalHedghog]

As a graphic designer this episode will speak to me

[@donfisherjr.2404]

Me too, so I went to Affinity. I highly recommend their software over Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign.

[@badGamr]

I love the punishing fee that Adobe charges the User for unsubscribing and the number of hoops that User must jump through just to unsubscribe. Adobe is EVIL.

[@theenzoferrari458]

Just use a separate card that has no funds on it when it comes to subscriptions. Lol.

[@andrewmccrea37]

I've been a customer for decades, even going back to the Macromedia days- but lately I'm so mad and frustrated as a client and I feel pretty hopeless there's anything I can do about it.

[@Ctrl_Del_0]

Go open source.

[@andrewmccrea37]

@@Ctrl_Del_0 Part of my issue is I work in post-secondary where we have to teach it as the industry standard and I also have a huge cache of legacy files.

[@caseycrow4000]

I switched to editing in Da Vinci and haven’t looked back. You should def switch bro!!

[@brendanhunter389]

I tried it but it says my nvidia driver is out of date and i have no clue how to update it

[@Ctrl_Del_0]

@@brendanhunter389 Another one of those great companies that does not care about their customers because they have become too big.💣

[@factzilla3071]

Adobe apps seem to have more features anyways

[@walkoffstudios]

I use Premiere and Photoshop daily, and you missed one big reason why they're hated. Their apps crash every other day. They're often slow and unreliable.

[@jerrardbeasley4247]

So glad you did this, I've been wanting you to do Adobe for a long time now...

[@awesomeswagboy]

This is why I pirate

[@AnalyticalMenace]

Avast me hearties!

[@BlueminNight]

I would have to somewhat disagree with you. By pirating Adobe products, you still supported them by making their app the standard for anything, and even if they lose some profit, it still makes them the do No 1

[@JostenDooley]

🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[@u4ik1productions]

Thanks for contributing to society

[@brendanhunter389]

I need a link pirate

[@MisaKeiJune]

If you pay money for a product, but you cannot OWN it outright, then Pirating is not illegal.

[@meol0390]

I suppose I get the argument, but please try telling that to the judge :)

[@MisaKeiJune]

@@meol0390 can't get caught if I'm not actually doing the thing.

[@fr3shSwag]

I remember having to shell out $40 to cancel my illustrator subscription. I was livid

[@IzzyTheEditor]

I've been using the Adobe products for 29 years, I've been a video editor for 20 years been using Premier 15 of those years. I've had feelings all over the map regarding all of these issues but, like you said, they are the 800 pound gorilla in the creative space and, other than companies like Corel, They are the only ones that do what they do and do it well. Also on a sidenote, a lot of people don't know that the brothers who created Photoshop in the beginning, one of those brothers is John Knoll, and he was and still is one of the executive visual effects supervisors for industrial light and magic. And he helped his brother write Photoshop specifically for the production for the effects in the movie the abyss.

[@Chadyp82]

Adobe is a perfect example of what a monopoly does to economics. Adobe is also a perfect example of corrupted capitalism, where greed overrules long term growth.

[@brosch91]

Best video you've made in a while, CM. I think if we're heading for a mostly subscription based economy in the future, it needs to be regulated a lot more to protect consumer rights. It should be just as easy to cancel a subscription as it is to start one. I find it crazy that at some gyms, you can easily sign up online or on the phone, but if you want to cancel your membership, they make you do it in person. That is so rotten to the core.

[@malachis1447]

Hey Mike! Been watching you for several years (since 2021). I just wanted to say i appreciate the down to earth yet professional analysis of companies that we interact with every day. Thanks!

[@christopherburks458]

Switched to Affinity months ago.

[@LegoTux]

I miss PageMaker, and the original PhotoShop and Illustrator from the early 90s.

[@freeman_fundamentals]

Another KZbinr that I follow & you both released a video 11minutes ago. & well… Here I am❤️

[@companyman114]

That's awesome. So happy to have you here.

[@MonkeyChessify]

Adobe is just a classic example of a company that had a good product and then switched to maximizing profits once they're too big to fail. Same shits happening with Microsoft Windows

[@TheOtherBill]

And already happened with Microsoft Office.

[@TonyPombo]

@@TheOtherBill Microsoft has been evilizing since 2016. But, one bright spot is Office 2024, it can be purchased as a perpetual license

[@LuisLopez2]

It is the myth of "infinite growth" that Silly Con Valley folks believe in. Just two days ago I fired up my 2007 Mac Mini with a miserable 2 Megs of RAM and was just taken aback at how fast Photoshop worked on it. Never letting that thing go,,

[@mindseyemusicreview]

I hate subscription based services 😒 "we put the shit in the car so you can have heated seats, but if you don't pay the button is disabled; genius!!!' 😅

[@CC-bn2ws]

Even my much younger new to computers self of the end of the 90s start of the 00s, hated the software and thought it slowed my pc down. After my first reformat I tried to go without installing it, but it seemed required for too many things. As soon as other options opened up, it was gone. Haven't had it installed on anything in a long time now..

[@JoesPhenomenal]

I was using adobe for my content creation. Just the Premeire Pro and Audition for audio processing. I've been transitioning over to Davinci Resolve for the video editing portion, but there is some function in audition that I use that isn't available elsewhere, so I still use that portion of it.

[@evanrhildreth]

How they ruined Flash: Flash started out extremely light-weight and efficient (it was designed for users with dial-up internet). Around 2003, they tried to turn it into a platform for "web apps" by adding desktop-style widgets like menus, and in an effort to sell their server software, added networking and data features. This added a ton of bloat and opened security holes. Very few people actually used these features, and they probably could have saved Flash by culling all the web app and networking/data features.

[@olandir]

Am I right in recalling that Adobe's move to the subscription model is what pushed all of these other companies (like Microsoft) to do the same thing? Now all software seems to be subscription based.

[@Cameront9]

Things were already heading that way

[@stainlesssteellemming3885]

Mush as I hate it as a consumer, software needed to be subscription based to make it profitable as a product. What many people forget, or perhaps never really understood, was that you have ever (at least since the 70's) "purchased" software - you've simply purchased a license to use it. Software companies are simply adding a time restriction to that license.

[@Shanemvm]

As a professional youtube video editor, I do genuinely love After Effects, Premiere and Photoshop but having to pony up like $600 a year to work is freaking brutal. It sucks because I feel like I have to use them too. So much of my industry revolves around using them. Sure I can run into the occasional team that doesn't but its like 90% Adobe.

[@TonyPombo]

Switching to an alternative, then spreading the word on how good it is (or good enough) and the cost savings is how to get that 90% number lower.

[@stainlesssteellemming3885]

I'm curious ... assuming you are an independent editor, are you saying $600 per year is a large expense for running a business? I mean, a consumer might have to earn $800 gross to have $600 available after tax to purchase a license, but for a business that's an expense, If you do 50 jobs over a year, you just add $12 to the bill for each job. if you're not independent (i.e. you are employed) then the cost is a matter for your employer to worry about.

[@TonyPombo]

It's not just about the monthly fee. You are *owned* by Adobe. If they double/triple/10x the price, you *must* pay. If they change the EULA to something you cannot accept, you are screwed. If they discontinue the product, or remove a feature you require, you are screwed. There is an old business saying ... Never build an empire on rented land. Because if the landlord decides to cancel your lease, you lose it all. This is the same thing.

[@cysecgnz]

Crap company. The issue for me lies in their ethics and business practices surrounding their subscription model, privacy, and ToS.

[@tealterminater8214]

4:42 I think the biggest controversy surrounding Adobe Flash was its termination. Millions of flash games and animations were rendered unplayable with no backwards compatable successor. A lot of that is now considered lost media

[@iamsioth]

I've been entrenched in the adobe ecosystem for longer than I can remember. I have since replaced my whole work flow with affinity designer, affinity photo, and davinci resolve. All of which give you professional grade software for a fraction of the cost, and get this... No subscription required... I KNOW! crazy talk!

[@gars129]

As a graphic designed, I feel like Illustrator is seen as Photoshop's less glamurous but equally important sibling.

[@giraffestreet]

Raster vs vector

[@denelson83]

I just will not use any Adobe software at all. I would rather not subscribe to any software whatsoever, so I use GIMP and Inkscape instead of Photoshop or Illustrator, for example.

[@ferrazz]

Bro this channel is just what it is, it's kind of therapeutic for me, it brings me that American 9-5 comfort and sometimes that is just what I need. Thanks.

[@NoName-ik2du]

I despise Adobe. I believe they were the first major software company to switch to the ridiculous scam that is subscription software. When other companies saw how easily Adobe was able to extort all their customers to generate an unlimited revenue stream, they all switched payment models, too, and now the vast majority of professional software can effectively only ever be rented. Adobe also had the audacity to try to *revoke* the perpetual license that I had for CS6. I wasted nearly three hours arguing on the phone with them before I gave up and modified the software myself to continue to run without the license they had stolen back from me. I will never give Adobe another cent, and when the day finally comes that CS6 can no longer run on modern machines, I'll just have to switch to another creative software suite that I can actually buy. (Affinity Photo seemed like a great alternative to Photoshop when I tried it out a couple years ago, and it can be purchased _once_ at a very affordable price.)

[@brendanblair64]

I edit videos through Movie Studio, and have never used anything Adobe. I don't see why I would with those prices.

[@20teamplayer]

A video on Oakley Sunglasses would be interesting.

[@otterpoppin]

Adobe is one of the greediest companies on the planet. I'll never use their products again.

[@Ctrl_Del_0]

I am sure that the shareholders will diagree with you 🙂

[@JonTheVGNerd]

That they are. No wonder Piracy is a thing.

[@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley]

​@@Ctrl_Del_0 This honestly is why it's hard for me to justify getting into stocks. Everyone wants to make money in the ways that will always screw over the consumer. Unless you're already rich and can hold a large portion of the stocks where your voice will matter, you've now become part of the problem with the decline of many companies.

[@Ctrl_Del_0]

@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley I understand what you mean. I am in stock. Though there are businesses that I do not invest in. It is a case of principles. I avoid banks and weapon producers as a terrible decease. Banks and weapons producers can be good company, though they are corrupted into selling products to destroy people.

[@TrashQueenAndKing]

He says on KZbin, owned by google

[@scanmead]

What I hated was the nagging "you must uninstall flash" messages. I'm so old I remember when I decided what was on my machine. Plus I used Paint Shop Pro instead of Photoshop. Worked just as well in most things, was a HECK of a lot cheaper, and owned by really nice people. Ah... the early days of PSP, gimp, and Blender. ❤

[@drunkenhobo8020]

I got Paint Shop Pro (I think version 7) for free with a computer magazine. The crazy days of the early 2000s when they would give away full software for free because you bought a magazine. Also had the Animation Shop, which was good fun.

[@scanmead]

@drunkenhobo8020 I got a student copy of Cinema 4D out of a magazine, beginning an obsession that lasted until it got too expensive to update. They got their money back with those.

[@jljordan1]

I loved paint shop pro

[@SheldonAdama17]

Adobe: “Get used to not owning software.” Me: “Okay.” Adobe: “Noooo, not like that!”

[@CVerse]

Before yall say it, no GIMP is not a good Photoshop replacement

[@kiefdemon1979]

I love paying 60 bucks for Adobe every month. It is so much fun. Especially when you add that the things I product don't belong to me either.

[@AreWeLearningYet77]

Nothing was exaggerated. People really were being charged after ending a subscription. I was one of them. They even wait like 6 months then suddenly started charging out of nowhere. You can't even delete your payment options so they won't have access. They're ultra scummy.

[@JuniorfanTheEnlightment]

All I can say is Adobe promotes AI when it comes to art theft as unfortunately it has lead to alot of pics with AI generated images through prompts through its software. Whether people want to say "AI is the future. Deal with it" or not, the point is that Adobe promotes stealing art from other artists who spent weeks, months, and even years making art they enjoy making and others to see. It's a labor of love more then anything for the legit artists who make these work of art we all enjoy seeing

[@johnathanashleyOCSO]

Damn company man you got some great videos coming out

[@companyman114]

Hey, thanks a lot. Been working to find some cool topics.

[@johnathanashleyOCSO]

@@companyman114 keep em coming.

[@johnathanashleyOCSO]

Have you covered Hollywood Video?

[@Echowhiskeyone]

I have used Adobe from the mid '90s. Great software. As time went on, Adobe became greedier and software from cutting edge to below standard. Used to be able to buy a hard copy, now $$$ monthly just to use the software. I have since canceled Adobe and found better inexpensive/free software that works better without breaking the bank.

[@pensivepenguin3000]

I don’t have much experience with Adobe, but I do use audio recording software, and in that world, many of those companies are going to the cloud subscription model, too, which I absolutely hate! Call me old-fashioned but I just want to buy the product, have the product and be able to use it as long as it’s supported

[@glynnetolar4423]

Reaper is still great and ready to use. And not expensive.

[@pensivepenguin3000]

Definitely. I’ve been using Reaper since 2017. However, you get into Roland Cloud, Waves and other VST manufacturers and that’s where you start running into the subscription chaos

[@compupsych3897]

Glad to see your take on Adobe! I hope that this situation creates an opening in the market for some solid competition.

[@atharvtyagi3435]

Adobe is mostly controversial for their subscriptions, I guess

[@d3layd]

Regarding the issue with terms: not only were the terms crappy, they were also compulsory. Once you saw the pop-up, you only had two options, either accept of close the program.

[@jeffhatmaker817]

Adobe also owns FrameMaker which allows technical writers to publish huge technical manuals (I'm referring to technical manuals with thousands of pages of content). It's a super stable piece of software.

[@Yoyoma27]

Why is the government the only one that’s allowed to have monopolies or power companies or gas companies?

[@DrewDoesThings]

My biggest thing as someone who didnt used to buy the Creative Suites is that even an ala carte plan with a few apps isn't that much cheaper. If you're JUST a photographer, then the $10/mo plan for Photoshop, Lightroom and storage makes sense. But as someone who works with images, audio AND video, it is insane that just wanting to pay for Premiere, Photoshop, Audition, After Effects and Illustrator is the same price as the entire suite. It is "an" option, but it's a terrible option. If you need more than just 3 apps, you might as well get the whole damn thing... and I'm never gonna open 80% of these fucking things.

[@justinyoung109]

Current Creative Cloud user and can confirm the subscription model sucks. I love Photoshop but I don't love it enough to pay an entire cable bill for it. I wish Adobe would go back to one and done purchasing. sidenote: Lionel Model trains, Athearn, Bachmann, Tyco when?

[@allanvanuga9196]

Great video.

[@sanekibeko]

I only use After Effects cause there's not much competition. The Affinity Suite has been amazing as replacements for Photoshop, Illustrator, and InDesign.

[@DashDaKid1]

“I like to hear what you have da sayyyy”

[@theenzoferrari458]

Yeeeeeee😊

[@matt_b...]

My last organization had a rather significant investment into various adobe products. To say that the pricing was murky would be putting it a little too polite. I could never seem to get a single account representative on the phone who could look at my subscriptions globally and work to put them into a single pane of glass. I suppose it wasn't in their best interest to see to it that I was extracting the most value out of their products, only that they were extracting the most revenue out of us as a customer.

[@crollwtide9452]

9:41 Perhaps the single-biggest reason why I think people distrust cloud-based technologies (and why this distrust may actually get worse due to AI usage). It could lead to creativity being outright stolen and potentially profited from by others without the creator's consent.

[@Lecksite]

im a computer professional. this is a pretty darn good summary of adobe by a non professional. hit on most points. the only thing i would add is (putting aside the legality of this) pdfs were "supposed" to be uneditable, but with libreoffice draw or website editors you can for free. ive heard GIMP is not photoshop, but i havent noticed many differences myself. illustrator is pretty amazing for 2D animation. illustrator is probably the best product adobe has atm imo.

[@martsuha]

I’m a recent Digital Aniamtion graduate. Adobe Suite is standard for compositing, storyboarding, concept art, etc. ofc animation uses other standard software outside of that like Storyboard Pro and Toon Boom Harmony but the subscription prices are way too expensive and out of my finances especially as a recent grad and little to no job in my industry.

[@dylanxitton]

The subscription thing is the main reason why no one would like to still use adobe, and use better alternatives, such as affinity photo, final cut pro or even davinci ressolve, wonderful software that works perfectly and few or even no crashes at all!

[@SmityWerbenjagermenjensen]

A video on Maverik Adventures First Stop would be awesome. It's a gas station that's been growing really fast more recently. They just bought all the Kum & Go's and acquired more than 400 stores. After rebrands, it'll go from California to Iowa.

[@fishthicc6394]

Did you hear about Pepsi buying siete foods

[@OkraPlutonium]

Glad y'all are ok, dude. We know how it is down here in Houston.

[@natey_TV]

Frick Adobe

[@jerranspearman3369]

good video

[@cccircuit8296]

I purchased a perpetual license for CS6 master collection in 2013 and can't use it now. I switched to blender

[@confessionsfromadangerousmind]

3:02 Figma? Is that a sister company to Ligma?

[@superhomelessjeffy]

What's Ligma?

[@PremierPrep]

Here's the best applications to get rid of Adobe... Premiere Pro < DaVinci Resolve Photoshop < Krita After Effects < AutoGraph Illustrator < Inkscape Audition < Reaper Lightroom < Darktable InDesign < Scribus And there are MANY more great ones too!

[@jmcdonald6063]

Canadian here!! 🇨🇦 was wondering if you could cover cheezzies or jones drink! 😊

[@Ganerrr]

Fellas, switch to Open Source for a better software landscape

[@ryanparrott6866]

Please consider covering 3M in a future video! I don't know of any controversies off the top of my head, but I do know they produce far more products that people know they do. They've also purchased many companies to expand their product base. They also have a culture of promoting good product invention ideas from literally any department.

[@BobbiPhantom]

When they introduced creative cloud, it all went downhill

[@lukewilsontv]

The issue with Adobe is they’re on the payroll of most schools and companies, they make up like the bottom two layers of the 9-5 Jenga tower. So many offices have been using the same Adobe files for so long, to make a shift would be insane at this point

[@Chickengirl005]

During my "artist" years, and when I went to art college, I used most of the Adobe software. Photoshop, for editing and creating digital art. I could do 2D animation, so I'd use Adobe Flash and After Effects...This was when you could buy the discs. I bought the student suite version that included all the programs. Just a one time purchase. No subscription nonsense. This was ages ago. I think the Adobe version was CS5? The only Adobe software I use today is Adobe Acrobat for pdfs. I bought an older version of it in disc form on ebay that works on my PC....

[@djp1234]

I avoid subscriptions like the plague. I'd rather download an ancient version of photoshop just to avoid the subscription.

[@shmookins]

Thankfully, we now have robust free options, or one-time purchase options that are really good and cover the needs for most users.

[@marsgal42]

I remember when Adobe was the PostScript company. PostScript and the font technology that went with it gave Adobe a very real competitive edge, but anybody who wanted to use it paid dearly for the privilege. My first exposure to desktop publishing was making documents with PageMaker then printing the results on a LaserWriter. A few years later one of my customer demos at a company that made hardware and software for the printing industry was the Towers Of Hanoi in PostScript.

[@mrmanchu7701]

Getting an Adobe Ad in the middle of this video is comical

[@noahbonner5853]

Hi Company Man, longtime fan here. Would you consider doing a video surrounding Cerner? I know they weren’t a consumer-facing product like other companies you’ve featured, but as a Kansas Citian and someone who worked at Cerner before/after the Oracle acquisition (which is looking like a potential bust so far), it’d be fascinating to go into detail on its downfall.

[@jordan.7]

Sail the high seas.

[@myownboss1]

I clicked on this right away! I’ve owned the stock for at least 5 years and it’s been a good steady performer so no complaints ‼️‼️‼️👍🏾👍🏾🙂

[@scottwithrow3793]

That's because Adobe cares more about you than the ones who must slavishly use their products.

[@mechajay3358]

At this point it's best to use the title "Why They're Hated."

[@TurboLoveTrain]

Auto updates are vile. If it works don't fix it. Auto updates are implemented to force the user base to beta test new software for free and Adobe pioneered forcing people to always have an auto update service running in the background or it won't let you run their software at all.