Adrian Goldsworthy on Superpower Conflict between Ancient Rome and Persia (The Eagle and The Lion)

A Book Launch and Conversation with Simon Elliott.
Held in the Old Library of All Souls College, Oxford on 16th November 2023.
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[@sharonjanethague7181]

Adrian Goldsworthy's knowledge of ANY period in history is staggering. Thanks for a great lecture.

[@Genethagenius]

Agreed!

[@jannarkiewicz633]

You were the first comment on the last Goldsworthy video I watched :-)

[@KernowekTim]

Mr Goldsworthy is a Master of his profession. I find his teachins fascinating. His delivey is excellent, in my opinion.

[@piergiorgiorosso]

😅😅

[@sharpfocus87]

Absolutely amazing thank you.

[@abuturab1589]

Thank you Sir...!

[@king_cobra5492]

Preach it Goldsworthy, preach it!

[@brucevilla]

Thanks for Uploading.

[@samthecan3116]

Very impressed by him laying out what we know and don't know about this topic at the beginning. I feel that far too often historians who write for a general audience don't do that because they think it makes themselves sound less credible or something. I honestly think it makes you sound a lot more credible and wish more people in more fields would do this!

[@homealone5087]

My favorite historian.

[@rengel0010]

He previously wrote a book Rome and Persia……is this a different book?

[@ethdow6817]

Yes. This is his second book on the subject.

[@IonutPaun-lp2zq]

@@ethdow6817 No. Same book, different editions based on whether you're in the UK or US.

[@RichardPhillips1066]

One book, two titles, I just checked on Wikipedia, very odd cause the titles don't seem radicaly different

[@IonutPaun-lp2zq]

@@RichardPhillips1066 It's not odd. Usually the titles are different based on whether you're in the UK or US.

[@Paradisusinfernalis6815]

Goldsworthy is some kind of last name)

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

he should ve learnet armeniana and georgian to read these sources including syriac asswell they have good accounts on sassanians

[@Georgieastra]

And what are the titles of these texts?

[@Houthiandtheblowfish]

@@Georgieastra church of the east anti chalcedonian church etc

[@Georgieastra]

​@@Houthiandtheblowfish Those are not titles of texts.

[@MikeHunt-fo3ow]

oh man no slideshow

[@mostafaahmednasr621]

What does Arabic tradition means? Please mention authors like Al Tabari

[@Paradisusinfernalis6815]

😂😂😂 Arab historiography stars like in 9 century - too too late even for be considered truth worthy for Muhammad times - not talking about Roman - Persian relations

[@mostafaahmednasr621]

@ I mean in that regard Adrian Goldsworthy shouldn’t be talking about any history other than modern media or contemporary events. However no, he doesn’t because he is a historian just like the historians of the Islamic tradition who were studying the sources of their times

[@Paradisusinfernalis6815]

@ to a Muslim historian it probably makes sense to study hide of 5 century with sources of 9 century - as we all know perfectly prophet bio comes 200 later :) For any other historian - not so much

[@Alex-tx2em]

@@Paradisusinfernalis6815 Show some respect for your Muslim historians. They protected your people in Spain when your people were getting kicked out from every other kingdom.

[@Paradisusinfernalis6815]

@ golden age of Jews in Spain actually refers to Jewish life between 1000-1250 in Christian Spain - never to Muslim . Read myth of paradise - life of Jews Christians in al Andalus . How many Muslim historians have you personally read ? I read some - enough to know where to keep my respect

[@ethdow6817]

Parthians were Iranians, they just were not Persians, but definitely they were Iranians. I've never heard anyone contest that! Must have been a slip or something.

[@someguy1026]

He's talking about the Arsacid family who were of Parni(Scythian) heritage, and thus would have been considered Aniran or non-Iranian but rather Turanian. Note that Turanian in this original definition did not mean Turks, but rather the nomadic East Iranics who inhabited the great steppe and were a constant enemy of the Iranians.

[@vaheohanian8418]

Were the Azeris around during Armenia's kingdom?

[@ethdow6817]

No they were not. Turkic speaking people started populating the Northwestern parts of Iranian plateau, Eastern Anatolia and Caucasus somewhere around 12 century AD.

[@ishmamahmed9306]

@@ethdow6817, does your answer assume that Azeris do not descend from pre-Turkic people who lived in those areas before the arrival of the Turks? Are you assuming that Turks replaced people in those areas, as opposed to people adopting Turkic languages?

[@ishmamahmed9306]

The name of the country Azerbaijan derives from ancient Atropatene/Ātṛpātakāna en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atropatene

[@adamstewart8712]

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[@lucasbuvinic240]

I like Adrian but man does he need to swag up

[@michaelhoffmann2891]

So, do Mr Goldsworthy and those who read his books also fall under that idiotic new "meme" about "thinking about the Roman Empire"? 🙄

[@virgil9303]

Poo poo pee pee

[@mansari7310]

pro Romon propaganda

[@rashnuofthegoldenscales4512]

Iranists find his books to be a joke. Romaboo prattling.

[@michaelhoffmann2891]

His *books* (plural), eh? Seeing as only one or maybe two even deal with the Roman-Parthian/Persian conflict, what would make those Iranists qualified to find all his books a joke? Methinks, the set of "iranists finding his books a joke" has one element: you. Who, I will go out on a limb, is not even an Iranist. Not even going to ask what a "romaboo" is, nor do I care.

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

I assume by "romaboo" you mean "pro-Rome" , in which case stop your paranoid whining and actually listen to what he says rather than what you assume he is saying.

[@illerac84]

Says the “Iranist.”

[@burgundian-peanuts]

@@michaelhoffmann2891 I assume the alleged "Iranist" is jealous of any historian who actually enjoys popular success.

[@michaelhoffmann2891]

@@burgundian-peanuts Or, sadly, an actual Iranian who, depressed about the current state of their country, desperately longs for the days when "Persia Rule The World (tm)". You can possibly tell at which scenes in "300" they cheered or booed. 😆