Why England Dominated The Renaissance | David Starkey: Renaissances Past and Present (1/2)

[@lbakemeyer]

Brilliant discussion and very thought provoking. Always enjoy listenintg to David Starkey!

[@TheEvilAdventurer]

Wonderful talk by Dr. David, can't wait for the next ❤

[@3000waterman]

Magnificent. There are some true 'light bulb' gems within that talk.

[@MZig-rw7su]

I could listen to Mr Starkey for an eternity. He is absolutely Brilliant.

[@TTFN55]

Listening to Dr. Starkey is like listening to an audible firehose.

[@benedictcowell6547]

His entire spiellL is utter rubbish. If you have a taste for Fiction produced by a con man then you enjoy Starkey, if you want History look else where. No Historian of any integrity would cllaim that the English made more than a marginal contribution to the Renaissance ether in Italy or in Northern Europe. The two most profound dynamo of the Renaissance was Urban Culture, The Hanseatic league and the growth of commerce, and the power vacuum in Italy that Produced the Condottieri. The proximity of the Adriatic and Venice to Byzantium, and the Papacy being situated in Avignon, and the very Geomorphology of Italy were central. I recommend you subscribe to The Great Courses and follow courses provided by Professor Bartlett, MacNabb, Korse, Noble, and Hirsh, ad then after some substantial study and reading you will realise that Starkey is not brilliant, he is obsessed, reactionary, stupid, and possessed of a mind as mediocre as your own. The Great Courses offer a great number of course on this subject either directly or tangentially. The late Middle Ages, The History of Western Christianity, Philosophy and Theology, all of which will provide mor than enough evidence to demonstrate Starkey provided a distorted not to say absurd version of every topic on which his demented his skewed mind alights .As is often the case the plausible, voluble buffoon wins more support from the ignorant than from those who know what they are talking about.

[@streamsofsophy]

I'm not convinced that you can completely separate English liberty from ideas of Christian free will. Made me think though; perhaps incorrectly my read is that Dr Strakey is often intentionally hyperbolic. Which in the round is probably more to the good

[@christopherpetergoodman8994]

No, he hates Christianity (not without reason) and so he has a blind spot when it comes to religion. Western civilization is (or more accurately was) was Christianity is closer to the mark that saying that everything came from the Ancient Greeks. All culture is a cult.

[@b.alexanderjohnstone9774]

Yes, he's a very great man and I listen to every word he says. I lean to your view, but can see good arguments both sides. Dr Starkey is an unreconstructed atheist who would've had a gut full of Christianity in his youth. My Dad is the same and can't share my open mind about the benefits of Christian civilisation.

[@TTFN55]

Precisely my thought.

[@fredkelly6953]

I could name numerous artistic achievements from the renaissance, not so much politicians or political movements unless you're talking about the church. Whatever happened in England stayed in England.

[@markwrede8878]

England owned the temperate zone forests with which ships were made.

[@TTFN55]

I did wonder if weather/climate had some level on impact on the renaissances.

[@chrislusk3497]

What's with the dig at Simon Schama?

[@LiamE69]

Schama was a leading light in David's cancellation following his misjudged comments about the rather obvious evidence of slavery not being a genocide.

[@JFDA5458]

I am definitely going to add "Fructifying" to my vocabulary, as soon as I lookup what the hell it means. 🤣

[@danieltemelkovski9828]

The gods grant that it be a fructifying experience.

[@richardouvrier3078]

It means fruiting. Fructo, Fructare, Fructi, Fructum. Very elementary.

[@TTFN55]

@@richardouvrier3078 - Mom? Is that you?

[@JFDA5458]

@@richardouvrier3078 Thank you for your insight, if I need any other multi-syllabic words explaining you will be my first port of call.

[@havana9139]

Does anyone outside of England say England dominated the renaissance?

[@benedictcowell6547]

This is total rubbish. not one single element of this spiel has any cogency, It no doubt appeals to the ignorant, .To understand the Renaissance requires extensive study and has been part of life time's study, of ideas ,of culture, and whilst the Renaissance was in process the English were fighting one another,, One of the three determining factors in the Renaissance was the diversity of Italian Cities ,the growth of towns, the Black Death, Gunpowder and the Printing Press which destroyed feudalism. Not one of those originated in England. The processes that fermented The Renaissance and the Reformation were the Great Schism, the Babylonian Captivity in Avignon, the Conciliar Movement and the Condottieri. In Northern Europe it was centred upon Flanders and Burgundy and again it was the diversity of cities, and the rise of a Middle class, and the great struggle with Spain. None of those essential conditions operated in England and the most profound and serious scholar of the Renaissance and the History of Ideas would never make such preposterous, nonsensical claim as Starkey has produced in his Fictional History of England. Scotland had more Universities than England, and more towns. It as the industrial revolution that produced English Cities but there was no power in the English Cities, One of the most interesting thesis in respect of the Industrial Revolution and the Agricultural Revolution was produced by W, W. Rostow, J. Ulrich Nef and Lawrence Stone which was that the Industrial Revolution occurred in England because there had been no Renaissance in England, and the Reformation was an Act of State [Powick]

[@johnmodra9543]

Thanks .five minutes in and I'm out .Click bait

[@johnk1529]

Ridiculous premise.

[@tompommerel2136]

Love the click bait! Only the British could assert this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thierryf2789]

Marcel Duchamp was not the founder of dadaism. Other than that, Quentin Skinner rather than Starkey pls…

[@hazchemel]

Sir, I love your work, but the dismissal of Christianity from the story is stunning.

[@lucianopavarotti2843]

Gosh what a rambling jumble. At least the audience had a drink and a window to stare out of.

[@richardouvrier3078]

Mongrelity?? Surely he made that up. Dr Starkey sometimes inserts some bs.

[@richardouvrier3078]

No, mongrelity is a real world.

[@OlleyAney]

Unsubscribed after the first rude word said by the lecturer. What a shame!

[@ThepPixel]

Get over yourself, dear lord. Quite the sensitive butterfly arent you.

[@robertgear6722]

Yes, Starkey should learn better manners. But the lecture is still worth listening to.

[@ThepPixel]

​@@robertgear6722Im sure youll get over it 😂😂

[@jeffkitson9565]

You should try getting laid...