Adrienette in Miraculous Ladybug | A Probelmatic Ship

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

The premiere was fun! Thank you everyone who showed up! ^_^ I actually forgot to make a point in the video: I should have used an example of the "romantic event happening that should have changed future interactions." A good example is when Marinette kissed Adrien on the cheek during one of the season finales. After that event, the two should have been super weird around each other. Marinette should have been replaying that event in her head and being embarrassed that she did something like that. At least for a little while, she could have been even weirder around Adrien since she didn't know how he felt about it. Adrien should have been a little weird around Marinette too. Marinette was the only girl to tenderly and sincerely kiss him on the cheek like that. You could tell by his face in that scene that he was surprised she did it, so he should have some thoughts on it??? It's at this point he should have started questioning his feelings and relationship with Marinette. But no, this event (i think) is never brought up again and they interact with each other the same as usual >___

[@aliciagonzalez5434]

I think that was the season 2 finale

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@aliciagonzalez5434 I was thinking that, but I wasn't sure lol. Thanks for clarifying! ^_^

[@tvaccount3349]

what a lovely video i can't wait to see the conclusion to this epic saga. especially regarding the shows power system.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@tvaccount3349 Thank you for your support

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Y'know..Its astruc fault for them to be written like this..Hopefully the awakening moive (thistime the writers were lead by co-director Jeremy Zag)....That the characters personalities start from scratch etc..overall hopefully the film will go good..also a musical..Come on..Whaddya think?//as for series..I want it to end if in-cannon it wasn't fix. tnx for reading..Love ur videos!!

[@sapphia4612]

Both are super bad for each other. First of Marinette, her obsessiveness towards Adrien is too unhealthy. She really called Luka Adrien when they were about to go on a date💀. Adrien has grown in a toxic household where he wanted to become what his parents want him to become. He definitely needs to go get help and Marinette isn't the option. He doesn't know what love is. He doesn't know how many people he is hurting ( leading Marinette on by being touchy, giving kagami hope in their relationship,etc) .He probably also admires ladybug not loves her. Both are toxic and definitely fans of this show just care about shipping. And y'all remember that one scene from Shanghai where Marinette just went to her uncle resident just because Adrien was there and her parents thought she was going to learn her culture....yikes

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

You make some very good points! They both do need to work on themselves with or without help before they'd be good for each other realistically. I know the show is probably going to say that them being together will heal all of their flaws and traumas and stuff but...that's not the greatest message DX

[@inferiorinferno8859]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Even if Marinette were to work on herself, she'd never be the right girlfriend for Adrien simply because of the bad shit she's done in the past. Moving on from him would be a required step for her to take in order to get better. She literally commits felonies in the name of her love for him. Someone like that just needs a restraining order and THEN work on themselves for future partners' sake.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@inferiorinferno8859 ​ @Inferior Inferno I do ultimately agree that it would be a better writing decision for Mari to move on than to get with Adrien in the end. I'm not always against it, but I wish more stories where a female lead or side character is madly in love with the male lead, but ultimately gives up their chance to be with the male lead when it seems like the male lead would be happier with another choice. Or, the female lead would give up being with the male lead to work on herself. Or the female lead, throughout her journey pining for the male lead, learns more about herself and comes to realize she doesn't actually love the male lead. Those are all good options that I think would benefit Marinette.

[@inferiorinferno8859]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Couldn't agree more with what you are saying.

[@miss_chelles1338]

@@sabreenatoure6353 exactly!

[@hipeescutely]

this is why i like marichat, because they can actually have a decent conversation when they are together. because their romantic (obsessive) feelings aren’t in the way, they are able to be real with each other, even if they don’t know each other’s identities.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I do agree that is the healthiest dynamic between them!

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

same- i love them because they're just- okay with each others flaws and don't have any expectations for the other someone. They lean on each other when they need to, no acts to play when its Chat/Adrien or Marinette/Ladybug- its just t h e m No matter what- they're just comfortable with each other and its shown especially in recent episodes its just good vibes and i love it

[@betodl2347]

Yes but it's bad writingt that ruins everything, as Ladybug puts Chat Noir in the trash, Adrien told Marinette he loves another girl, meaning he would never love Marinette, even if

[@hipeescutely]

@@betodl2347 yes! they could use the different dynamics of maribug and adrichat as tools to develop their characters!! it’s such a missed opportunity!!

[@betodl2347]

@@hipeescutely exactly, I'm still waiting for a development from the umbrella scene, towards a healthy Adrienette, but instead some called Creepynette for the stalking, the obsessiveness etc...

[@strawberrychocolate9383]

The fact that instead of Marinette being the one who should have gone over to Adrien to comfort him in Wishmaker (as a good friend should do) , Luka had to pull Marinette towards Adrien and she didn't even sit next to him. "They are good friends", biech where?

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

lol that's a good point! In general, Mari doesn't take many steps towards Adrien on her own. She stays back a lot and someone has to push her towards him. On some level, I do understand that as I had a hard time approaching my crush when I was in school. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, it's been almost 4 seasons and, yeah, they're supposed to be "good friends" so it doesnt make much sense DX Mari should have been over her nervous stage by now.

[@Lolirock971]

Please find YHWH Elohim and keep the commandments in Exodus 20 and 1 Corinthians 13 . Please read Exodus 20 and pray for forgiveness. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37- 40 Please read the book of Jonah, Matthew, Exodus you'll have the information you need.❤️❤️💐💐🌈🌈 Exodus 20 1 Corinthians 13

[@9upforall555]

Marinette thinks Adrien is perfect and that’s a problem. Me: *subscribes*

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

❤❤❤❤ Thank you 😁

[@33pandagamer]

After watching the episode "Cat Walker", I had came to a realization. Marnette doesn't like Adrian, she likes the idealized version of him. She can't stand Cat Noir, finding a lot of his personality rates to be annoying. However, when Adrian does similar actions to Cat Noir, she suddenly likes those things. As an example, when Cat Noir says puns, she hates it, when Adrian says puns, She thinks it's the funniest thing ever. It's like she's not even paying attention to what Adrian is saying, but thinks it's the best thing that was ever said because it's something Adrian said. In the episode "Cat Walker", she did not like Cat Noir until he started behaving the way he does in front of his father, the way Adrian acts towards most people. She did not like Cat Noir, until he started acting like the idealized version of Adrian that she has of him. A relationship dose not work if you only love the idea of them, and not who they are as a person.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

The episode is actually called Kuro Neko, but your points are very valid! By what we are shown, you are quite correct that she likes the idealized version of him. Kuro Neko seems to have really hurt the credibility of the Adrienette ship DX You made great points! ^_^

[@Lolirock971]

Please find YHWH Elohim and keep the commandments in Exodus 20 and 1 Corinthians 13 . Please read Exodus 20 and pray for forgiveness. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37- 40 Please read the book of Jonah, Matthew, Exodus you'll have the information you need.❤️❤️💐💐🌈🌈 Exodus 20 1 Corinthians 13

[@thatson_nameste998]

Finally someone said it, Mari is more of a crazed obsessive fan girl. I love the explanation you have I've been telling my family thats what I find so annoying about the show

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

High five! All I want is good development between the two at a reasonable pace. That's all I want =')

[@damotoneko1500]

And all Adrien did was give her a fricking umbrella while Chat sacrificed his life for her twice, gives her compliments all the time, helps her out and so much more.

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

Yeah and that big wall calendar of Adrien’s schedule still creeps me out. This is what she does with her time. You could be doing homework or patrols with Cat Noir with these hours of wasted time. It is also why I don’t believe the “oh she has more responsibilities” excuse that some use to defend her because she does not prioritize it or use techniques to help manage that time. If she did prioritize it and uses these techniques and still struggled, than I would believe it.

[@chatnoirsimp1171]

@Zoe Go At least she lost all miraculous, that's an okay consequence. She is obsessed with Adrien so much she considered giving him a miraculous twice, and for every other character only once

[@Hotarusweet]

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 And she made a lot of gifts for adrien for the next 50+years lmao

[@azurimira]

Not to mention that the fandom are loving this ship and think that it's "cute"... DOES STALKING LOOK LIKE CUTE TO YOU BI-

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I actually wouldn't mind her stalking and obsessive and possessive behaviors if the show treated them like they were wrong/bad. The problem is that characters don't call Mari out on these behaviors and don't see anything wrong with them. Ideally, Mari would learn that it's wrong to do these things, or at the very least, it's abnormal to do these things, and she would learn to stop being like that and just be chill so that Adrien would be comfortable around her. Unfortunately, that's not the case >__

[@azurimira]

@@TheArtisticAloubell agree I used to love this ship :(

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@azurimira I'm sorry about how it's turned out x(

[@azurimira]

@@TheArtisticAloubell it's okay :c

[@azurimira]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Im innocent back then...

[@raisyad8278]

My sister do really think this ship is healthy and mari stalking is cute. She EVEN HATE KAGAMI cuz shes "ruining" adrienette.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Ohhhh nooo DX See that's the problem with the show! I don't mind if Mari has a flaw and one of them is been obsessive and creepy. But that only works if people call her out on it or if she faces consequences because of it. That way she can learn and grow to not do those things anymore. With the way the show is now, no one seems to care that she does these things which makes it seem to younger kids that these behaviors are okay...which they are not DX A lot of people keep tabs on their crushes, but Mari has taken it a tad too far a few times. And poor Kagami. She did nothing wrong and doesn't deserve hate DDX

[@mirror1643]

kagami is just a better mari tbh

[@sugarbrownie2010]

@@mirror1643 facts pure facts

[@mcdonaldsadmincourtney]

-get rid of her-

[@estherhazina889]

A lot of teenage and pre teen girls think like this ( They adore Adrinette, no matter how creepy it is and hate Kagami (who is one of the best characters in the show) because of it, calling her rude, blunt and even evil!

[@Ticking.TimeBomb]

Gonna be honest mate….I wouldn’t ship this if you put a gun to my head. This is so Toxic, mainly because of Marinette. Also I don’t wanna be that guy….but let the roles be reversed. Let Adrien have photos of her Let Adrien break into her room Let Adrien not let other girls be around her Let Adrien follow her to another country Let Adrien kiss a “Wax statue” of her Let Adrien know her ENTIRE SCHEDULE I promise you the cancel culture would be all over this show 😆

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Yeah, that's true haha. The show wouldn't have a chance if it was reversed. Or at least...if it was reversed, then Adrien might have been considered a creep within the show and likely wouldn't have had his feelings reciprocated idk... Or who knows?! Maybe the writers would be super bold and have Adrien act like Marinette and they would just...write it exactly how the show is now and have no one in universe bat an eyelash at it. Idk lol

[@Cheetahgirl_Studios]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Considering how everyone in the show turns a blind eye to Marinette’s borderline illegal shenanigans... this is so true it hurts.

[@leegoose8012]

Considering his attraction to Ladybug…he’s getting there 🙄

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@Cheetahgirl_Studios I just want SOMEONE to acknowledge it TTvTT

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@leegoose8012 Oh I'm sure he's getting there. This is the endgame couple so I know the writers will get there at some point. The unfortunate thing is the pacing and the couple's presentation...which isn't the best...

[@Kingbeat1]

Mari reasons for loving adrien is just lust

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I think it started innocent, but Mari obsessing this long is concerning

[@aliciagonzalez5434]

He gave her an umbrella. That's it.😒

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@aliciagonzalez5434 I mean, that's a decent start to a crush...they just needed to follow it up with other stuff...which they aren't the greatest at doing >.

[@aliciagonzalez5434]

@@TheArtisticAloubell True. But i think they needed more.My opinion.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@aliciagonzalez5434 I 100% agree with you. X3

[@mia2luv]

I agree 100%, I hope the writers develop the ship soon. This can give really good character development for Marinette too! Also Adrienette is endgame, so I think it's crucial for development.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Exactly! It's one thing to not give development to other ships of the show, but to not focus on the main ship is just kind of...questionable. If Adrienette gets together by the end of the season, it will not have been earned as they had 3.5 whole seasons plus some specials to develop it but chose to ignore every significant bonding event they've had. It's really a shame >__

[@Lolirock971]

Please find YHWH Elohim and keep the commandments in Exodus 20 and 1 Corinthians 13 . Please read Exodus 20 and pray for forgiveness. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37- 40 Please read the book of Jonah, Matthew, Exodus you'll have the information you need.❤️❤️💐💐🌈🌈 Exodus 20 1 Corinthians 13

[@Jess-dm8hl]

I love that you talked about Toradora! So many people say it’s not very good/ the main relationship is toxic, but then you compare it to Miraculous it looks perfect lol. I was never into romance anime (other than sailor moon but that’s more action anyway). Miraculous is what finally pushed me to try other romance anime. I thought Miraculous was the pinnacle of romance when I was a teenager and then I saw Toradora, Fruits Basket, Your Lie in April, Kimi no Na Wa, Weathering with You, & The Garden of Words. All these stories made me realize what an utter shit show Miraculous is. The fan fiction writers are better at writing compelling romance than the actual show. So thanks Miraculous for allowing me to develop better taste lmao

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

While I don’t watch anime yet, I read a lot of YA and how romanticized the love interest’s behavior is. But I like the ones where the character os problematic behavior at first, but then grows to redeem his or her actions and have qualities that I can root for. And my mom telling me what is healthy and not healthy in a relationship growing up helped me see how toxic this behavior is . Will definitely look these shows up. Are they mangas too? Wanted to start reading manga too.

[@Jess-dm8hl]

@@gabrielleduplessis7388 yeah all of the titles I listed are based off manga if you prefer reading. Those are just personal favorites of mine but some other series I would also recommend: Snow White with the Red Hair, Orange, Nana, Clannad, Love is War, Quintessential Quintuplets, Chobits, My Love Story, and of course Oran High School Host Club. I also realized there are many non romance anime with good romance too. I was recently watching To Your Eternity and it has the most compelling romantic relationship I’ve seen in anime/ manga (and it was able to tell the story in only 6 episodes). Just trust me there’s so much out there that has better romance that miraculous lol

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

@@Jess-dm8hl these are great suggestions. Thanks.

[@mackenziecolebrook7223]

My thoughts exactly, about the writing. I think part of the reason we see so many new heroes is to cover up for the terrible writing

[@meisstupid]

I liked Adrienette in Season 1, but Season 2 and 3 introduced Luka, which showed a completely different side of Marinette in Miraculous that was not obsessive or toxic which made me feel that Luka should be the endgame

[@Marrianno]

Gabriel - Posessive, watches over Adrian's every move, expects him to maintain his public image, but not real goofy crackhead personality, is not a fan of Adrian having friends. Marinette -Obsessive, watches over Adrian's every move, loves his public image, but not real goofy crackhead personality(that bring cat noir), is not a fan of Adrian having friends, especially female friends. Hold on, something isnt right here

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

lol

[@melit.]

This was a great video! The only thing I think about them is that Adrien calls Marinette a friend because that’s how he sees her. And though he does treat her a bit differently from other girls he’s in love with Ladybug so liking Marinette the same way doesn’t cross his mind. At least that’s my interpretation. Also yes I would love a Sofia the first video. It’s a great show.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I think my biggest frustration with Adrien is his lack of social awareness. It's okay for him to not pick up social cues that well due to how he was raised, but his blindness is lasting too long. He doesn't even acknowledge that he does treat Marinette differently which is also a bit frustrating. I do see your points, though, and they are valid =) You make a good point. And thanks for watching and commenting! ❤ I appreciate your interest in a Sofia video x3

[@mirror1643]

@@TheArtisticAloubell also its ovious he likes mari more than kagami and he dated kagami

[@smart.but.stupid]

Yes, exactly! It's so silly when in cartoons the guy is definitely kind to a girl who likes him and he definitely thinks of her as of a friend but is too "dense" to realise she's in love with him. And once she does reveal her true feelings, everyone is cheering for them becoming a couple but I'd say one thing... That's mostly not how it works. If someone doesn't see you this way, your confession isn't gonna change their mind very much.

[@ladylynx9891]

I feel like at some point of this video she will restablish that Mari is an obsessive selfish stalker and Adrien is eye candy furniture, and I'm all for it

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

"Eye candy furniture" LOL I love that!

[@Lolirock971]

Please find YHWH Elohim and keep the commandments in Exodus 20 and 1 Corinthians 13 . Please read Exodus 20 and pray for forgiveness. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!” [37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:37- 40 Please read the book of Jonah, Matthew, Exodus you'll have the information you need.❤️❤️💐💐🌈🌈 Exodus 20 1 Corinthians 13

[@emmanuelteshome2469]

Adrienette is not problematic. The writers are problematic. Before analyzing the ship, analyzing the characters is priority. Marinette has GENUINE feelings for Adrien but also a celebrity crush on him as well. A mixture if you will. We know that Marinette wants Adrien to be happy. Examples of this are shown in the episode "The Bubbler" (S1), when Adrien thought the scarf he received for his birthday was from his dad, but when Alya told Marinette to go tell him it was she who made the scarf, Marinette said "...But he seems so happy about his dad, I don't want to ruin it for him." Another example is in the episode "Malediktator" (S2). When the school was having a party, celebrating Chloe's leave, Marinette is happy, but when she sees that Adrien is upset, she becomes upset. She doesn't like seeing Adrien upset, she wants him to be happy. So, I think Marinette despite her celebrity crush on Adrien, has genuine feelings for Adrien, and this can also be seen in episodes "Frozer" (S2) and "The Battle of the Miraculous" (S3), when she is sobbing at the fact that Adrien likes Kagami. Marinette also has some stalkerish tendencies and it's shown in S1, but imo, because it is in S1, it shows the amount of potential of character development for the aspect of Marinette's character when it comes to Adrien. In S2, Marinette became more shy, which is weird because she was able to talk to Adrien in "Kung Food" (S1), but that's okay. But Marinette was still a good character in S2. Now in Frozer, Marinette knows that Adrien likes Kagami, and after Kagami helps her up after she falls, she is upset and goes to the washroom. Marinette being upset shows that she knows she has to learn to let go of Adrien. Even after Marinette kissed Adrien on the cheek at the S2 finale, she still knows he likes Kagami, and we know from the history of the show that Marinette wants Adrien to be happy. Now in S3, Marinette's character takes a turn for the WORST. Firstly, Animaestro. Marinette teams up with Chloe?! To sabotage Kagami and stop her from "kidnapping" Adrien. Is this is a joke? In S1&2, Marinette wants Adrien to be happy and she knows that Kagami makes him happy and she does that? This is a BIG inconsistency with her character. She may have somewhat hard feelings for Kagami but Marinette is not stupid. She knows what Chloe proposed is a terrible idea. I'm honestly surprised she actually did this. Usually when one has feelings for another, they want that person to be happy, and this is what we saw in the Bubbler and Malediktator, so Marinette sabotaging Kagami makes ZERO sense for her character, also Marinette did this in Ikari Gozen AGAIN! Again, this makes no sense for her character. Now in the "Puppeteer 2" (S3), at the end of the episode, Adrien tells Marinette that "The girl I'm in love with doesn't like my jokes either." (That is not the exact quote), and Marinette replies with "...the girl you're...in love with" and Marinette has a sad expression on her face. So apparently, the Season 2 episode of Frozer didn't exist. Not only is that an inconsistency with Marinette's character but a contradiction within the Adrienette relationship. MARINETTE ALREADY KNOWS THAT ADRIEN LIKES SOMEONE ELSE. Another problem with Marinette in S3 are the episodes "Chameleon" and "Oni-Chan." In Chameleon, Marinette knows that Adrien knows that Lila is a liar. Keep this in mind. Chameleon chronologically comes before Oni-Chan. In Oni-Chan, Lila manages to go into the Agreste mansion. Marinette follows them to try and stop Lila from getting together but what's very weird is that Marinette knows Adrien well enough to the point that he wouldn't crush on liars. And Marinette treats Adrien likes he's her property which leads her to sabotaging other girls who like Adrien, which is completely foreign to her original character (S1&S2). I can't recall a time in S1 & S2 when she treats Adrien like he's her property, like in S2, she didn't even sabotage her. So, for the Adrinette ship to develop in a healthy way, Marinette's character needs to develop. I was hoping that in S3, Marinette would develop and get rid of her photo collection and Adrien's schedule because she knows Adrien likes Kagami. I liked Kagami and Luka because they both would indirectly help her to see Adrien as JUST A FRIEND and see him in a different light. Get to know him for who he really is, AS FRIENDS ofc and then Marinette's celebrity crush would go away which is a good thing. In S4 "Truth", the first episode, we see that Marinette still has pictures of Adrien which is ANOTHER inconsistency because she's dating Luka. It's ok if Marinette still has feelings for Adrien in "Truth", but I have to be honest, Marinette should try to focus less on Adrien and in truth those pictures of him should've been GONE. Why? Because she's getting together with Luka. After they break up, Marinette should focus on her NEEDS because we know her break up with Luka really hurt her. This is why I loved Gang of Secrets. The show is focusing more on Marinette's needs but Adrinette still needs to develop. In "Optigami", she was looking at a photo of Adrien for 10 minutes, which is actually ok compared to the other types of crap she pulled in S3, but this still shows that Marinette has a celebrity crush on Adrien but it's not as bad as before. I like the Adrienette ship, but it was ruined in S3, and why? Because the writers butchered Marinette's character in the third season (Animaestro, Ikari Gozen, Chat Blanc) which is a shame, because Adrinette was finally developing at the S2 finale. As for Adrien. Well, he's just oblivious. Sorry for the long essay.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Hello! Thank you for your thoughtful comment! ^_^ I fully acknowledge that Marinette's crush is not totally superficial. She genuinely has feelings for him. That's fine. However, constant development of this ship is still taking too long as their bonding moments don't seem to stick across episodes. We need to feel the effects (or see the effects) of the bonding moments and characters reacting to or referencing them, which don't really happen. At least starting from that kiss at the end of season 2, their relationship should have changed somewhat. Even if Mari thought that Adrien was in love with Kagami, a tender kiss on the cheek would change the dynamic between any two characters. But it didn't... That was the absolute best time to change their dynamic and the writers didn't go for it DX Season 3 might be Marinette at her worst, but, unfortunately, those episodes are canon. This means that the longer Mari had a crush on Adrien, the more obsessed and willing to do questionable things she became. This could be a personality quirk of hers where she progressively becomes more obsessed with something the longer it sticks around. I'm actually not opposed to this. I like that she has an extreme flaw like this. HOWEVER the problem is that almost no one in the show (or no one at all) acknowledges that the things she's doing is wrong, and thus she can't grow from them because the show presents these issues as if they're okay. As another user pointed out, Mari is less obsessed in Season 4 (the knowing his full schedule for the next 3 years thing is still pretty sus) but that's not great writing because we never got an "aha!" moment from Mari or a lecture towards her where she learns that doing those things are bad. The writers just simply stopped writing her like that for no reason...which is not great writing. The Audience wants to see the character develop, not for them to automatically be better for no reason. But yeah...Mari needs to get to know the true Adrien and she needs to become more comfortable around him so that she could be able to share part of herself with him. They definitely need substantial development that sticks. Again, thank you for your thoughtful comment and for watching! ^_^

[@elinasakura]

I agree with the both of you. Season 3 was the worst season in general in terms of character development and consistencies (it’s more character-assassinating in that season) and they didn’t really do much to fix the mistakes they made. Yeah, having a character flaw is good for Marinette as long as it’s called out and acknowledged to be wrong. The same can also be said for other things like Alya’s character (it’s why it’s hard to like her when she is such a good character), and I wish they have confront their mistakes in shows and acknowledge them, but sadly, they didn’t and choose to pretend it never happened which is not good writing.

[@Bunny-bk4uv]

I really enjoyed your little rant it was very well thought out and easy to understand

[@miss_chelles1338]

Okay, so I didn't read everything but you know what, I'm gonna agree with you as an Adriennette hater. 😂

[@kagamitsurgi1604]

uhhh mate adrienette is problematic, you cant use the writers excuse.

[@mintysketch9053]

So after watching I got to say: i completely agree with you. Honestly, it feels like the two are right where they were at the start and nothing's changed between them. Also like i said in the live chat Mari's crush on Adrien seems like a celebrity one more than anything, and not a healthy one. She's so creepy with him like he's not just some kid she knows from school. I also fail to see what she likes about him other than the fact he's cute and sweet....so yea, the main ship of the series yet it's pretty bad imo.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

It's honestly the lack of development that bothers me. The show strings this "will they won't they" schtick for SO LONG even when its obvious they will end up together. It wouldn't be so bad if things progressively changed between them as the show went on, but that's not really the case...which is a shame. I'm happy for the people who do sincerely ship this and find it entertaining and fulfilling, but I am definitely not in that camp.

[@froppy_squad482]

FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS HOW PROBLOMATIC IT IS

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

YES

[@Wolfheartgal]

I think that it is very possible for a monster of the week plot along with a linear plot could work, but for some reason, staying with the status quo until the very end seems to be the route of this show; like how Marinette is just made the guardian after some small hints from Fu - not calling him master Fu because he was not an actual master to them and I will die on this hill on that - that she is the best miraculous holder ever and then boom. She is the guardian now. No build-up on how she got there or skills that makes sense to make her it. She just is. And I fear this will be the same for the romance. I am new to this channel, but if I voice this a lot in other channels so I will keep it brief. Romance should be about showing why a couple makes sense narratively and what makes a couple work and what people route for (should not be the sole reasons for a story, but if that is a selling point, then commit to it!). And I like the example that you used with an anime because I think they have a monopoly on good romance - even if overdone but still. The fact that it is season 4 and Marinette still sees Adrien as perfect and Adrien is just now starting to be a bit more open with liking Marinette - but not outright saying it - is rather annoying. We get it is canon, but just saying it will be does not make for satisfying stories as we need to see the journey from their beginning to their end, and skipping over that is just like expecting that a quick bake cake will be perfect without putting all the ingredients together and that the cake will be good right away. All in all, I agree with you that we know we are supposed to route for them, but running out of reasons why outside of just "they are made for each other".

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

It's a shame that they don't want the development to stick from episode to episode. The show's quality would increase so much if what happened in one episode applied to subsequent episodes and if character development was consistent. But yeah, the Adrienette ship is the primary ship of the show and yet it's developing at a snail's pace...FOUR SEASONS IN. The Ross/Rachel ship in Friends was less frustrating than this X'D I know Miraculous will be around for a few more seasons, so hopefully that development will happen soon. Heck, even if things do happen at the tail-end of season 4 and if their relationship finally starts to get going, it's still a shame that it took FOUR SEASONS to get anywhere. Thank you for your thoughts =D

[@tvaccount3349]

@@TheArtisticAloubell i feel like the writers are trying to address this but not directly, and they probably wont address the other criticism like Adrian's/chat noir's ever reducing screen time or the inconsistent characterization stuff like that ya know.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@tvaccount3349 I want to give the writers the benefit of the doubt regarding the lack of screen time for Adrien/Chat Noir. I feel like they're doing that on purpose (at least for this season) to build up for something near or during the finale. The fact that Adrien notices his lack of usefulness seems to attest to this. So I guess we'll see what happens!

[@Wolfheartgal]

@@TheArtisticAloubell You're welcome! And yeah, i agree about Ross and Rachel - as questionable their relationship was, i do admit they had better hints of their romance being more. As for the Lack of Adrien/ Chat this season, i am just hoping for a payoff because i am worried it would lead to a bigger problem the show has that concerns Adrien being pushed to the side because Thomas favors Marinette more. But i am a hopeful skeptic that want to be proven wrong

[@miss_chelles1338]

THIS!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@thatonkgau5221]

I agree especially when you consider the fact that there not really in love with each other. Adrien didn't fall for Marinette as marionette he fell in love with her as ladybug he's not in love with the real her he's in love with the idea of her. Same goes for Marinette when Adrien is Adrien he's just the perfect son and model student people want and expect him to be but when he's cat noir he's his true self. Marinette is in love with Adrien because she sees him as perfect she's not really in love with him she's in love with the image of him.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Very much agree. The relationship needs work haha

[@Hidden_Misc]

im gonna be honest, the way Marinette is portrayed makes me see her as an obsessive fangirls who probably reads self insert fanfiction with her and Adrian at 3 am. AND EVERYONE ENABLES HER BS

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I honestly wouldn't mind her obsessiveness if the other characters reacted more realistically to her and called her out on her behaviors. That way she could develop and mature as a character.

[@Z.A.N.E]

1) The art is absolutely beautiful and was a great distraction from the tragedy that is this show. Seriously- it's so pretty. 2) Now for the fun part... Oh boy (forgive this being slightly all over the place, I don't often talk about my feelings towards Miraculous and I just woke up) I remember way back in season 1 where things were honestly just innocent. Sure there were problems, but it was season 1. Things were hopeful. As times went on (and I got older) it became increasingly obvious how far the show was falling. For many of the reasons you stated, I only ever loved MariChat as a ship (even back then, I loved it unconsciously). It was (and in my opinion, still is) the main driving force in how those two could develop as a couple. Had the two fallen in love as MariChat over the seasons (and actually gotten development lasting longer than an episode each) I probably would have been able to grow to love Adrienette and even LadyNoir. (Forget about Adribug/Lardrien. That's a whole 'nother can of worms) MariChat felt like the saving grace and it constantly disappointed me when they teased development and then took it away from us, having them never change and remain infatuated with the other's alter ego. At this point, most of my memories about this show were from the fandom and the amazing stories they could create with this concept. I loved seeing MariChat grow as a *healthy* couple and eventually have that translate into other aspects of the story being told. (I liked not being cheated over and over to a reveal too) I truly agree with every point here- especially when it comes to writing romance. I think the best thing this show has even done for me, is make me aware of what not to do for a romance plot, and even how to view romance as a whole. Anyways, I wish you all the best and you bet you've earned anothet subscriber.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Thank you so so much for your kind words .> But hey, learning the lesson of what NOT to do in writing romance can be just as valuable as WHAT to do in romance. So...there's benefit in here...somewhere lol Thank you so much for your support

[@puredemon5926]

Hugo and Sofia (from Sofia the First for those that don't know) had a better developed relationship in THREE EPISODES (spread throughout three seasons) than Adrienette did in FOUR (and a half?) SEASONS. Hugo and Sofia aren't even confirmed. (They're like, what, eight years old? No shipping is actually needed for StF.) Eight-year-old's have "matured" better than Marinette has lmao. And yeah, Adrien has his problems, but Marinette is the main issue for sure. And Alya's -enabling- "support."

[@damotoneko1500]

Funny, the writing, resets, chemistry and their relationship NEVER changing are the REASONS i dropped the show 😀 Yet there are people that only show up for it? I'm guessing they start their mornings with a twilight novel everyday and ship BakuDeku.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

XD

[@Lamamsl]

BAKUDEKU IS ALL IM THINKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THAT SHIP IS OBNOXIOUS

[@melit.]

So excited for this video. Could not agree more with you and it’ll be nice to see someone who doesn’t love them together. I honestly can’t ship them anymore cause it kinda grosses me out.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I'm open to the ship if it was done well. But...it's not being handled well lol If people don't ship them, I 1000% sympathize lol. I can't even say that I ship them not only cuz of them being problematic, but they kind of bore me a little idk lol The show also basically keeps telling the audience to ship them which is a tad annoying >.< X'3 But thank you so much for the interest

[@diamerald39]

You make great points! As someone who's been trying to write romance and finding herself with kinda shallow couples, this was a nice eye-opener into how to do it better. Thank you!

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Thank YOU for watching

[@puffhopem591]

Tbh when season one came out I shipped. Them so badly but as I grew ( in like 2 years 🤣) I realized that Mari’s obsession over Adrian is creepy and I prefer her with Luka and Adriana deserves better that’s all

[@puffhopem591]

But I think they can still be together just need to fix a few things

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

The ship could work if the development was better. And Mari could have had an excellent character arc where she learns to control her more eccentric actions due to people calling her out on her creepier behaviors. Maybe they could have had Adrien be creeped out by her at first and then she goes into extensive character development to learn how to be more conscious of other people's feelings. And in this process of being more considerate, Adrien could come to find out that she's a really nice and sweet girl and then a beautiful friendship could blossom there...idk lol If the other characters in the show just called Mari out for her behaviors, she could grow. Unfortunately, barely anyone ever does DX I also liked her with Luka because she was comfortable around him and they actually hung out and did things together to grow their bond. Plus Luka is a good boy X3 I do also agree that Adrien deserves better X3 Thank you so much for watching and commenting! ^_^

[@rosewilson7393]

Yes! Lukanette is 100% my main ship in miraculous followed by marichat. Yes I get it's the same people as Adrien and marinette but the same time it's different with behavior. I wish Lukanette was endgame and maybe adrien could get with zoe? I don't ship adrien with kagami, marinette, and Chloe.

[@calen910]

adrienette is my least favorite side of the love square because its the furthest away from the premise of the show and main plot (being a superhero, the hawkmoth situation) and the mind numbing lack of development. i know the love square is all between the same two people but i at least feel like i can say something about ladynoir, they're partners, they're friends, etc. with adrienette even though they refer to each other as friends constantly i still can't see them as more as acquaintances. mari and adrien never really talk outside of school unless theres a mutual friend involved or some crazy coincidence. would adrien or marinette ever call each other just to talk like friends? or agree to hang out? or ask each other for help? its just so sad i want them to develop so badly 😭😭😭😭 now i wanna check out the anime you referenced. the premise sounds really cute 💖 thank u for putting the time into this video, i enjoyed watching it :D its lovely 💖💕

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I really don't mind LadyNoir as much because there is actually development between the two of them and you can tell their relationship has changed over time. The fact that this time and effort that went into LadyNoir wasn't extended to Adrienette is FRUSTRATING. In no way am I convinced that they are "Made for each other." There are very few instances in which I would accept anyone using that phrase in anything due to how cringey it is. But it DEFINITELY is not deserved here. You should totally check out Toradora! It's one of the best romance anime in my opinion just by the fact that they have a more realistic take on relationships and who is a better fit for you to be with. It was a fun watch =D Thank YOU so much for your support and for watching

[@calen910]

@@TheArtisticAloubell its so weird because they've actually had ladynoir develop in some capacity (even though it is the bumpiest rollercoaster of all time with episode order), but they've included several moments in the show that could have changed the adrienette relationship but didnt... the scarf, the lucky charms, "you're our everyday ladybug", her kissing him on the cheek. they have moments! but its so hard to remember them bc ultimately they dont matter at all in terms of how they treat each other or their development. hard agree on the "made for each other line". omg when master fu said that when they all only knew each other for a day i swear to god... show dont tell me theyre made for each other please 💖 i definitely will look into it, i am always looking for decently written romances! its no problem, i love ur content so far!

[@rosewilson7393]

Yes!!! Finally someone finds adrienette as their least favorite. I personally don't like adrienette but I prefer marichat as how the ship can be endgame, if not I'd rather not ship Adrien and marinette. I'm mainly a lukanette shipper because I find it more healthy like marichat is. I also would ship adrien with Zoe because don't ship him with any girl like marinette, kagami or Chloe. I love luka and marinette it's my main ship and I'm said that it's not "endgame" and since Adrien and marinette are "endgame" I'd want it to be through marichat

[@calen910]

​@@rosewilson7393 i think if i was going to rank each "side" of the lovesquare based on my own preferences, itd probably go 1. ladynoir and then 2. ladrien/marichat and 3. adrienette. but i'm really biased for the superhero aspect of the show! i totally get why marichat is a lot of people's favorite, as the episode glaciator really had them be able to see aspects of themselves that they would otherwise not be able to see normally. it allows for a lot of development! i just think that every part of their relationship has so much room to develop, it's just that the writers are really stuck in the status quo and therefore they don't. i think adrienette has really gotten the brunt of this, as marinette still hasnt been able to confess after 4 seasons in, so adrien has NO idea where she's coming from... while chat noir managed to get his feelings across to ladybug by season 2. hopefully this can change :) lukanette (and adrigami) was done so dirty by the show. i literally gasped when i found out they got them together in the season 3 finale and then broke them up the VERY beginning of season 4. i'm not sure if i'd want lukanette to be endgame, but i at least wanted more than one episode with them, where they both help each other grow in some capacity. i really expected it to at least give marinette more experience communicating in a relationship since she seems to struggle with that lol. i never thought of zoe and adrien! they are very similar though, so i can see them really understanding one another. i really hope we get more interaction between them and see them really become (at least) friends. rich kids who have to put on act to fit in with their family for the win. sorry this reply is sooo long. i hope you're having a good day! and solidarity over adrienette being the least fav side.

[@user-qo6cm3oc3r]

Really enjoyed the video! Well structured and you make good points and examples, so great job! I fully agree that currently, Adrien and Marinette's relationship is not right for romance. We're in season 4, and she still is in the blushy-stammering phase. I sometimes find it hard to even consider their relationship as friends, because (in my mind at least) friends should be able to talk to each other. By this, I mean actually TALK, not just have empty dialouge. (E.g for empty dialouge, "wow, you're so handsome Adrien" "what was that, Mari?" "I MEAN- NOTYOUTHEAD- NOTTHATYOU'RENOTATTRACTIVE- WAITNO- UHHHHAHAHA- BYE!!!!) Of course, they have moments where miraculously (pun intended) they can, but it's ALWAYS back to ifnubdmdhj conversations by the next episode. This is still happening in Season 4. Their relationship has barely devolved since the Origins episode and I'm surprised less people are pointing it out. Because of this, Mari hasn't gotten to truly know Adrien, so she still thinks he's a perfect person (which unless he's Jesus, no he isn't) with an amazing life (which isn't the case. In the Season 4 episode Lies, she watches footage of his day and sighs dreamily while remarking that how wonderful his life is, so she clearly still doesn't realize just how horrible it is for him) She only loves him for a surface level reason of being a nice person. Don't get me wrong, loving someone for their kindness is completely valid! But either Adrien's character is very one dimensional or Mari's love is because being in love with someone JUST because they're a nice person isn't going to be enough to sustain a healthy relationship (at least, I don't think it is because you aren't seeing them for their whole selves, just picking one trait you like about them and making it their entire person which isn't a good thing to do) It's not like no one's ever been nice to her either. She has loving parents and many friends (who can turn a blind eye to her concerning tendencies but are not cruel people) so what makes Adrien's kindness so special? I apologize for such a long comment, just really wanted to give my 2 cents. Once again, really enjoyed the video and can't wait to see more of your work, Aloubell! God bless!

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

You are totally right about their friendship! They seem to have little to no casual encounters. And even if they were about to, the plot either gets in the way or Mari makes it weird. Their friendship is super sus lol And oh my goodness true about Mari really not knowing Adrien. If they really wanted to push this relationship, she would have found out about his home situation a long time ago and could have turned into someone who he could always talk to or find comfort in. But here she is still knowing nothing. As for why she likes him in particular? Technically the writing lol The writing says so. Canonically? Idk...crushes are weird. Sometimes you like someone for no real reason lol. They just need to develop it more to convince us that they are the justified endgame. Thank you so much for watching my video and for commenting!

[@teamblack204]

*WHAT? PROBLEMATIC?! YOU'RE PROBLEMATIC! ADRINETTE IS THE BEST SHIP EVER!* I mean come on! Who doesn't like the love story of a toxic and obsessive fan girl stalking her crush and invading his privacy? This is not problematic, this is cute! Even when Marinette's obsessions, jealousy and borderline fantasies lead her to stalking Adrien as well as invading his personal space and destroying his chances with other girls because she's the only one who's allowed to love Adrien, right? Because she totally has every right to sabotage his relationships with other girls! I mean no... I'm joking of course. It's driving me crazy that the creator literally thinks this story is cute. Marinette is a terrible influence. Thankfully I was old enough to grow up without this trashy cartoon🙄

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

XD

[@teamblack204]

@@sarahsmusicalselections9845 Lmao😂

[@LazySillyFran]

Lol XDDDDD

[@meri0312]

I would almost go as far as to say that Marinette is criminally bad, If you catch my drift📓🖋️

[@teamblack204]

@@meri0312 Lmao did you catch mine? My paragraph is a roller coaster😂

[@unityorbelm2415]

Yall ever notice how kagami gets so much hate from some members of the fandom but Luka doesn't, despite the fact that they play the same roles in the dumpster fire that is the relationships? 🤔 It's giving "I can have as many guy friends as I want but my boyfriend better not talk to any other girls" 😑

[@jaysnumber1fan302]

right 😓

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Good point! that is quite fascinating. I guess some people might not like Kagami's personality compared to Luka's? To be fair, I've seen some criticism for Luka as well. But for sure, Kagami seems to be getting the blunt of it.

[@AriaVelKazik]

so now for the best they should put more focus on MariChat. Because I won't buy that "Mari now loves Chat because she knows he is Adrien". Because until now I don't see that she have a crush on him, she likes him right but as comrade.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I agree with that. The two of them being at their realist and getting to know each other better that way may be the best bridge between the ships. Adrienette still needs A LOT of development, though >__

[@zcatcher8955]

Everybody in Marinette’s class knows that she has a crush on Adrien. And nobody has ever tried telling Adrien about that, not even Nino, his closest friend.

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

alya doesn't let anyone, i think- Nino has said before that the only reason he doesn't say anything is because of Alya and I'm pretty sure its the same for everyone else for why they don't say anything

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

That's lowkey unrealistic haha. I used to be in middle school and high school and there is NO WAY that secret is staying secret. But I guess we need a super loyal class or else this plot won't work >__>

[@zcatcher8955]

@@TheArtisticAloubell It’s clear that the show does not know what gossip is. And Chloe looks like a gossip girl lol

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@zcatcher8955 RIGHT?!

[@laugh-a-gramstudios4601]

This feels so true! Also yes an Sofia The First video please… I love the show even now also Elena Of Avalor does a good job as well.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I really need to get to watching Elena! Just knowing that Sofia shows up in Elena's finale is enough for me to want to get context lol Thank you for watching

[@laugh-a-gramstudios4601]

It’s nothing! Your content is so entertaining and true!

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@laugh-a-gramstudios4601

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

I’ll be honest, I prefer how comic artists write Adrianette. Fan artists tend to continuously write relationships and plots WAY better than the actual writers for the show.

[@sffb8295]

Yeah I ship Adrienette. But only the version that fans made where they actually develop and become a good couple who treat each other as equals instead of pedestals of perfection.

[@kardelenkoc9746]

10:26 thats why i think they will probably get together after a reveal. marinette doesnt know adrien all that much, if i were her id text him all the time since he has no friend and he finds marinette's weirdness cute or funny so no need to stress he never ever judges her

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

It's fine that she was all shy and stuff at the beginning of their friendship, but its been so long now that she should be more comfortable around him by now DX

[@gabrielleduplessis7388]

If you have not already, can you please do Ladynoir because I also think they are toxic as hell. And while Adrien being a doormat has some to do with it and his passive aggressiveness at the same time as well as the incessant flirting, the first 2 flaws are realistic. I also think Ladybug is more toxic. She thinks being the leader means she is the boss and no one should interject ideas and just follow her lead. If someone tries to stand up for themselves or give a different opinion, she yells or glares at them. She and Marinette can be narcissistic at times which does not help. I also (not using it lightly here) honestly believe that Ladybug sometimes physically and mainly verbally abuses him. I have been through the verbal abuse a few times and it is not good. It caused my low self-esteem which I see with Cat Noir. Note: i am not saying every moment they had was abuse. Just the ones where one smiled while the other was clearly offended kind of moments. It starts with the little digs that sound like normal teasing including name calling. Than it escalates with harsher critiques or advice that is always followed by an insult. Then you get comments like “this is why you have no friends” kind of comment. It also comes with “if you try to stand up for yourself”, that person yells. You keep going trying to get them to listen, they scream more until it is better to quit. Oh believe me, I tried more than once. Anyways, I see these tactics with Gabriel and Ladybug and why I feel Adrien does not have the fight in him anymore until everything festers and boils to the surface leading to the passive aggressiveness. Again, not condoning his behavior at times, but can see where some of it comes from. Know this has nothing to do with Adrienette, but just wanted to point it out.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I currently have no plans to discuss LadyNoir, but maybe one day! And you definitely make valid points.

[@jillevers1432]

Thank you for this. I do admit, I am kind of falling out of Adrienette, and I am a lover of romance in animation. At first it was cute and obvious that it would be typical high school crush story with a superhero spice. But watching how one is obsessed while the other ignores their obvious crush is getting on my nerves. How you describe their "growing" chemistry actually reminds me of another animated couple that just happened after the movie. Even more tragic is how there is absolutely no romantic chemistry in the series that follows, and it annoys me to the core (and I heard even sadder news it's down to its final season). Back to this though, I am more Lukanette.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

YES Lukanette is good. It's a shame it ended without even having a chance to develop fully 😭

[@graciousgacha]

cant wait for the day this channel blows up ps im watching/ listening to this while doing school work

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Aww such a nice sentiment! Thank you, dear ❤❤❤💐

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Aww such a nice sentiment! Thank you, dear ❤❤❤💐 Good luck with school btw!

[@cosmox1x]

I don't watch Miraculous, but I used to, and the idea that Marinette would sabatoge Adrien's chances of joy in a relationship just so she can have him makes me think that she views him as an object that she wants to posses rather than someone she actually loves. Loving someone is wanting to see them happy and putting their joy ahead of yours.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Agreed

[@oliviamarcar1088]

All the miraculous reviews are so accurate it’s hard to remember you don’t watch the show

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

😎

[@LyraValley]

This is why MariChat is by far the healthiest side of the love square. It's the only dynamic of the four where neither of them puts the other on a pedestal and they can be natural with each other.

[@Ninja52157]

This does not mean that their relationship is bad from the start. It just needs to be written a little better. For my version, Marinette and Adrien will get together after 2 seasons. If we’re gonna do this, we have to do this right. Show us why they should be together, and develop their chemistry. Let them have their ups and downs, and have them fight. However, no matter how much they may fight, they always reconcile with each other. Plus, they should always look out for each other, and care for one another. Also, they should have some common interests, like playing the same video game or watching an anime or show. And, they should also trust each other too, meaning that they need to know that they’re Ladybug and Cat Noir. That’s what I should do in my version of it.

[@liamdalemon1525]

Random NPC: those two are made for each other 💕 Me: WHY?!? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GIVE YOU THAT IMPRESSION!? TELL ME WHY THEY ARE MADE FOR EACH OTHER BECAUSE THIS SHOW HAS DONE NOTHING SHOW IT!

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

EXACTLY 😤

[@Bethypoopoo08]

I know this was posted forever ago, but I just wanted to say this was very helpful as of your tips on writing relationships in characters. I’m an aromantic writer, so writing characters who are not aromantic is very hard for me. I loved hearing yours tips and info! ( For anyone who doesn’t know, aromantic means I have the inability to feel romantic feelings for anyone! Everyone’s experience is different tho, but that’s how it is for me)

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I'm glad my video is useful

[@lxly_pxches4543]

I can already hear the toxic adrienette shippers commenting lol

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Gonna be honest, I didn't even consider them when I made the video lol I hope the storm won't be too bad!

[@aliciagonzalez5434]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Best of luck

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@aliciagonzalez5434 Thank you friend! **salutes to you**

[@Galilee9]

I just found your channel and are binging all of the videos and you DEFINITELY need to make a Sofia the First video it would be so fun!

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Thank you so much (◍•ᴗ•◍)❤ And I definitely will talk about Sofia the First at some point!

[@JekyllHydeV]

Honestly the only ships I prefer are ones that make sense or if there's a slow burn make sure it's not to slow like rayllum from the dragon prince rayla and Callum were first somewhat enemies then friends later romantic moment with a bit of heart break (if I got anything wrong let me know I never watched the dragon prince only read opinions and the wiki) regardless rayla and Callum toke time to work out with small romantic moments before the big moment 😑😊it's also adorable and the two support one another in my opinion 😊

[@LubellexR]

According to google, they said that the reason why everyone is obsessed of MLB it's bc of the love story of marinette and adrien, YOU CALL THAT LOVE STORY? 😂

[@taetaesmiles]

Finally someone who talks about the problems i realised that the more seasons i watched and the more frustrated i was with Marinette's crush i feel like they are promoting Obsessive,stalkish,toxic behavior She is like a sasaeng fan at this point (Sasaeng are dangerous obsessed stalker "fans") I don't know if people who ship them realise that Marinette is so obsessed by Adrien that she completly looses any sense of rationality.The things Marinette does although not evil minded are wrong and i don't think this should be praised in a Kids show. And i won't even start with Adrien he needs therapy and a lot of it.

[@bugaboiii414]

I totally agree with your ideas especially when you mentioned about marinette and adriens relationship should be more laid back bc they’ve known and friend with each other after all. Great video😭💕

[@TryinBin8889]

The fact this ended up being the first cannon ship for the pair honestly killed me....

[@christinec1232]

Back then, I used to watch ML regularly at the time of its release. I don't remember exactly why I stopped watching but after watching your video, it made me remember exactly why I lost interest after I finished the first season.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

😎

[@endmymiserypls9695]

Stalker x famous dude? 🧐

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

lol

[@celeste9949]

This is too true! I agree fully that they keep teasing Marinette and Adrien about being together but never execute it well. We're just dragged along an endless ride not knowing where it's going.

[@sal23246]

I'm addicted to watching miraculous critique videos

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

They are fun to listen to X3

[@gregorythestallion2984]

I wouldn't use Torafora as an example of good romance nor recommend it. But, if you like a story where the plot constantly gets on the side on the MC, forgiving her mistakes while shaming all other characters minor mistakes, if you enjoy a relationship normalizing physical abuse, physical assault and more, then, yeah, Toradora is for you.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

To each their own.

[@ULTRAV1OLE7]

When I came at this show at a surface level, it was a cute superhero show for girls that had a kiddie little romance plot in it. And then it got worse. And now I stare at the show and think about how much it's been dragged out and what it could have been. This ship especially. It could have been a cute, convincing trope with Marinette having that teenage girl crush and Adrien being an oblivious teenage boy. It's a great setup. But it slowly devolved into 'will they won't they' but not good.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

YUP

[@lisaaquaris6932]

Yeah I think they did do the "They kinda end up with who they didn't expect thing-" much later in season 5- with Mari liking Chat- and the. Adrian liking Mari. Now I feel that writing shouldnt have restrictions like what your saying- bc Adrian and Mari are young- and over time yes- I feel that with being super heros- they learned to have a relationship that wasn't really toxic- Expressionally since they are only 14/15. I feel they will either move on- or grow together. 😂

[@mikayo959]

I'd also like to mention that mari is literally obsessed with adrien. if adrien spends time with a new girl, i wouldnt be suprised if mari uses her powers to make adrien dislike her. oh, wait....

[@Till_is_alive_trust]

The problem is, the creator cannot accept criticism 😓

[@Iheartgus]

Watching this video now that adrienette is canon, I agree with this way too much. They’re relationship is just too perfect and they both just never fight, it’s unrealistic. It makes me gag whenever I see them.😑

[@billykaplan9915]

I love your videos and you got a good point the real problem with Marinette and Adrien is the perfection filter they got at this point I can even see Chloe and Adrien being a thing heck even Luka is a better option for any of them cause he never hide his flaws point is Marinette get from inocent and cutely loving a nice guy to stalkish and creepily wanting the cute little doll and people think is cute I bet if the roles were reversed they will be burning Adrien like a witch I hope they either make this ship better or kill Adrien by erasing him as a sentimonster

[@mirunacristea9539]

I do not ship them or even want them to get together because of Marinette's obsession over Adrien. We all were 14, BUT none of us stole our crushes phones, acted bad towards girls talking to our crush, made up complex plans on "coincidentally meeting", stalked them all over to SHANGHAI or made a plan of our crush exact schedules. It's a very sick behavior, that the show seems to encourage by not giving Marinette any sort of real consequences. I would love to see her grow up and understand that this obsession is not healthy. Adrien's obsession's with Ladybug is weird too, but the worst that he did is maybe have her pic as a lock screen, which is a weeb or kpop fan behaviour or sth, it's not THAT bad. The only thing making Marinette not seem so creepy is the fact that she is a girl, and that in this world, sex and murders can not exist. If it weren't for these 2 factors, the show would be just like the show You, with Mari as Joe.

[@miraculouslife9829]

A little late on that but you're right. Adrien also constantly says he can only be himself if he's cat noir and if Marinette doesn't love his true self, yeah idk it wouldn't work out. That's actually one of the reasons I ship Marichat because I think they rather see each other as people with flaws and not as some perfect human beings, so they genuinely love each other even with those flaws

[@Kelseyb2000]

Exactly! I'm glad so many people see the problem with this. Even if it's psychologically proven we our crushes as perfect by now that should have worn off

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Yup! Mari's had way too many opportunities to be around him to still be seeing him with rose-colored glasses. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@SuperShana97]

Thank you so much for putting your thoughts on this video! That’s why I never fond this Shipping after I finished season 3 because I just don’t like how their relationship works. As you mentioned the other anime that they know how to make the relationship works. They know how to make the characters development. They know how to make their characters more human. While this is just they never changed. Yes, they’re soulmates and I get that they’re good for each other but at the same time they have to work on themselves more. That is why I prefer LadyNoir because they acted their true themselves and trust each other (well until season 4 went down a hill). Also, you can feel their relationship more deeper then Adrienette especially Cat Noir. I feel like the writer don’t know what to do about this shipping like ok we saw that Marinette likes Adrien since in the beginning of season 1 but she never changed around him in the current season. While Adrien, yes I get that he’s stuck at his house for his entire life due to his parents but at the same time, he should’ve been realized it by now at least season 4. I’m not saying that he’s blind but he needs to be more open-minded around her. Anyway I’m guessing both of them will be together at the very end of the series similar to Ross & Rachel from Friends. (Honestly, I think their relationship was more toxic and less stress then Adrienette)

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Thank YOU so much for watching and commenting

[@SuperShana97]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Yeah, and also I forgot to mention that in Pigeon 72 where Marinette discussed with Alya that she tried to move on with Adrien and Alya told her that he and Kagami were no longer together. But.. Marinette pushed Kagami to go back together while Kagami was no longer to have feelings for him. Yes, I understand she wants to move on but at the same time, she shouldn't push people like that because a lot of things had happened to them recently and she doesn't know in detail. In the end, Kagami realized that Marinette likes him. I mean I don't hate her but she needs to work on herself honestly.

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

@@SuperShana97 with that part of mari and kagami- i feel the reason we shouldn't hold that pushy behavior entirely on mari because it was actually taught to her instead of something she did on her own. Alya and the other girls act like that to her whenever she tried to move on from Adrien, and they're usually the ones pushing her into uncomfortable situations with Adrien without her being ready-

[@sorayag.mirandae.1809]

Agree with you except from ladynoir, I found more toxic than adrinette. Chat noir doesn't understand what means No. Ladybug since season 2 doesn't confidency with him and he persist with a girl that MANY TIME SAID NO.

[@roroshukban3051]

I started watching your videos this week and I am in love 🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Aww thank you so much!

[@maggiebrave9354]

I used to love them but they just don't develop so I'm kind of loosing interest and I'm more interested in Ladynoir now. They can't talk to each other even after over 3 seasons and I'm getting tired of it

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Very fair! I also prefer LadyNoir as they actually get development (although in hindsight it seems silly to ship the same people but as different personas lol At the end of the day, they're the same people...but it IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING that they don't know that by now...ugh DX) Adrienette is moving at a snail's pace. At this point, the payoff won't be very satisfying DX

[@maggiebrave9354]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Agreed

[@xxspedupxx1632]

Omg you channel has grown so much I last saw it when you were at 106 subs wow congrats

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I am super grateful that God has helped me to grow! Thank you for your kind words ❤ I still have a long way to go x3 The journey continues!

[@xxspedupxx1632]

@@TheArtisticAloubell yes I hope you channel grows more and more I love you content

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@xxspedupxx1632 thank you, dear ❤

[@GamingNiaDraws2]

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[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Much appreciated! I will take it gladly! Hopefully I won't have to use it and everyone will be cool :D

[@GamingNiaDraws2]

@@TheArtisticAloubell :D

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

I do ship them and I do wish their realtionship was more consistant, in progressing somewhere.

[@CattyyyD]

Finally a decent person talking about Adrinette

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

[@elinasakura]

I know I’m like super late (mainly because I only subbed to you a month ago) but I really want to input my thoughts on Adrienette as well. Especially after getting new insight from one of the KZbinrs’ videos yesterday. Unlike the Ladynoir side of the square, Adrienette never got the same care as the ship. What’s worse is there is a lot of potentials the show could have gone with to help develop the ship as well. Adrienette is one of the most frequent ship used because Marinette and Adrien can interact with each other a lot in school as their civilian selves, similar to Ladynoir when they interact as Ladybug and Cat Noir, if not more so than Ladynoir because there isn’t really a time limit or an Akuma to keep them distracted from interacting with each other. They’re just normal middle schoolers with the worse being dealt with are bullies and homework. The problem is the show doesn’t take advantage of it and have the conflict and not interact a lot for FOUR SEASONS! Sure, there were moments like Frozer and Bubbler, but those consistencies don’t really stick. There can still be conflict for Adrienette, but it doesn’t have to just be confessing. As you mention in the video, there was a moment in season 2 where Marinette was happy Chloé was leaving, but Adrien wasn’t. That’s a good conflict the two could have had and learn from each other (Marinette to be more empathetic and Adrien to see more to the side of the stories and not push others). But of course, the writers didn’t expand on that. The same can be said for season 3 when Adrien and Marinette are the only ones who know Lila is a liar. Adrien can be there for Marinette when she gets left behind or gets the short end of the stick because of Lila, especially when she’s trying to tear apart their friendships and would do it more intentionally. And again, there could have been conflict if Adrien were to learn Marinette was threatened and she didn’t tell him, leading to a sense of doubt in their friendship and development on the two. Heck, even in season 1, maybe part of the reason Marinette is so shy and stuttering is because she feels guilty for how she yelled at him and thought he was a spoiled brat bully like Chloé (course that part could only work if Origins aired first). And even outside of the conflicts, there could have been sweet moments for the two as a breather (we can’t always have tensions). Like hanging out together along with Alya and Nino, because I would have loved to see a friend group together with them. Or the two could have had meaningful talks like their break ups with Kagami and Luka. I love slow-burn romance because it’s more realistic, allowing the two grow in relationship and as characters. And the love square was an amazing concept that just wasn’t executed the best. Like you mention, the show has a lot of missed potentials, along with wasted in my opinion. But like you said, all we can do is now is just learn from the writer’s mistakes, and all I’m hoping is that if they plan to do a reverse love square, they at least give actual development with Adrienette (even if it’s not much and perfect).

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

You are never too late! You're right on time ^_^ I agree with your points. The show has had a lot of opportunities to naturally develop Adrienette, it just hasnt and that's SUPER frustrating and not at all a good basis for a relationship.

[@infinitedreamer9359]

I don't think Ladynoir is that healthy either. Because the show protests them as an unequal partnership.

[@Zinervawyrm]

First off, I love Sophia The First too! Second, Marinette seeing Adrian as perfect is the same problem I had with Kagami in the episode "Truth". The life drawing scene, he posed as Cat Noir, and she told him it wasn't him, he does a modeling pose, and she tells him it's not him either, that he needed to be "perfect". She wanted to control who he was. At least in Marinette's case, I feel it's implied that she sees him as perfect no matter what. Still not healthy to worship him like she does, but I don't think she'd tell him he's "not him". At least in "Ephemeral", we see her rethink about who Adrian is and slowly accept him for who he is on all sides. Lastly, I personally ship Marinette and Luka more, but not against the end game either.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Good points! And I do like Lukanette better as well X3 It just seemed more comfortable.

[@kkadams1395]

can you have vod's of lilorck to day

[@saffyesperas2278]

Marionette and Adrien does not know what love is. For Marinette, Adrien is her first crush and she did not have a crush on anyone else. When it comes to Adrien, he is sheltered and does not know what falling in love feels like, yes. My big concern is how did Marinette's friends say she has made development with her relationship with Adrien when clearing there is little to none? Chloe was right even if she did say it in a sassy mean tone, I am just saying.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Good points!

[@saffyesperas2278]

@@TheArtisticAloubell , thank you.

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

late but i actually think i have a good explanation for why mari's behavior hasn't changed at all when it comes to Adrien (note this isn't abt the stalking, just why she's still nervous around him) She's TRIED to move on or just try and act natural around him- but her friends always butt into things without realizing it, specifically ALYA. Alya doesn't even let people to tell Adrien about Mari's crush, she tries to FORCE it to be a thing Mari reveals even when she knows Mari isn't ready. Mari realized her behavior with Adrien isn't okay/getting their friendship anywhere and that she should treat him better and the girls all protested against it, insisting the way she acts is fine and etc despite knowing how extreme she gets with it. They all force her into uncomfortable situations with Adrien when she's not ready in hopes of them bonding finally and I feel like this has caused the opposite effect on her, she's become MORE uncomfortable because these moments freaked her out too much. When her friends don't have any play in things, you can see she's more comfortable- like when she was trying to help Adrien get away from fans, when they were alone in the trailer with her admitting she's stressed over the hat she made him, or just them playing video games together. A lot of Adrien and Marinette's interactions tend to have been FORCED onto her by friends no matter if she's okay with it or not and I know from experience that that stuff makes things WORSE. They tend to make some type of gesture or comment during the moment that actually brings her into freaking out because then she's AWARE aware and knows she's being focused on and expected to do something-

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

(GASP) THIS IS A FANTASTIC POINT. 🤯

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

@@TheArtisticAloubell thank you djdjd, another reason thats kinda obvious for why mari freaks tf out and overplans anything with Adrien is because his fans, Chloe, and Lila, etc- tend to step in and ruin any good moments they get- girl gets yeeted away whenever someone else who likes him sees him with her literally or not. I can see why she wears the weird pants she does bc there's no way she could safely wear shorts, skirts, etc without bad bruises and scrapes lol

[@6annibalize]

Spoilers for s5, Now adrien is the creepy one, mari is trying to forget her crush on him, and now he likes her a lot more (romantically) he calls her one night when her and alya r having a sleepover and thanks her for being his friend and shit, and shes trying to forget him, and then at school he greets her by trying to kiss her?? Without consent???? MULTIPLE TIMES??? there was a week long timeskip where he greets her EVERYDAY by trying to kiss her, and she trys to play it off by shaking his hand and alya steps in and basically holds her down so she will get kissed, creepy... However they dont end up kissing bc a akumatized person shows up,

[@krispy_wxffles]

Back when MLB was a bit more new, I was one of those that thought the dynamic was “fine” since I thought Mari would eventually mature with all the responsibilities + Adrien would stop seeing Ladybug as perfect. BUT NNNOOOPPPEEE. I definitely see that if they don’t make these two mature/move on from their crushes/grow up (as duh they are teens but Mari is getting worse and Adrien is getting shoved to the back) this ship is canonically just toxic. Which is why we stick to fanon ✌️👌 nice analysis and video btw! Recently been watching them! ^^

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Yeah, it seems like the ship started off well... BUUUUT the development is taking forever, mixed with problematic elements, and the little snippets we get aren't gonna cut it DX Thank you so much for watching!

[@krispy_wxffles]

@@TheArtisticAloubell yeah! It’s a constant tease but is also making Mari worse (“aDrieN’s ScEnT”) The finale/ship is what’s carrying the whole show now. No problem! Keep up the amazing work!

[@JB-rc2re]

A Sofia video would be awesome. I loved that show too.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

It would probably just be me gushing about the show as its JUST SO GOOD. If the people are cool with that, then I'd be more than happy to X3😉

[@Aria_ariesmagi]

To be honest I think the relationship should have build up really future episode about the time-traveling about Adrien and Marinette relationship was kind of bizarre no they might have the same outcome and every single timeline relation is hide their identities and they shouldn't reveal it to the public cuz like they could affect the timeline but I don't know it's complicated

[@rhiannonapps]

I used to love adrienette but Adrian has proven he is a Sunshine child and willing to avoid conflict if possible in his civilian life .my new favourite ship is a cross over ship called Daminette I highly recommend reading fanfics about this ship

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Who are the people involved in the Daminette ship?

[@rhiannonapps]

@@TheArtisticAloubell Damian Wayne aka robin Bruce Waynes only blood son and marinette that's my current favourite ship crossover but they do a few different ones a good fanfic not only for ships but class salt is unmaskedagain on tumbler I definitely recommend checking them out

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@rhiannonapps Ah! That is an interesting ship haha. thanks for the suggestion! ^^

[@unheard_echoes2023]

Your art is so cute! Loved the video :D

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Thank you so much 😀

[@macolombe_]

I agree with you on this to many extents. I don't ship this because it seems too unhealthy as it won't be good on either side of the page as Adrien likes Ladybug and Marinnete likes Adrien as seeing how one sees the other higher, it's not going to be very good for the other (Marinette) (I hope this makes sense-)

[@pk5727]

Well with time travel….they kind of can undo everything. They shouldn’t, as that hasn’t gone over very well….say terminator dark fate.

[@Frank_N_Stein.]

Yeah, I just can't see these two ending uo together. Their whole relationship never really escalated from Celebrity and Fan. Marinette has put Adrien on a pedastal and Adrien has put Ladybug on pedastal. They love the idea of them, not the actual people they are.

[@xxstrawberry_fr0gxx716]

Hi! So I wanted to let you all know that Adrienette is going to get together. How ? Well , the directors and script writers are making us all want to ship Adrienette because in Cat Blanc there was no flaws in their relationship but also remember that it’s a show! They don’t want to show you any fights if there was any . Also , this show is meant for kids if this show would’ve been for a for higher aged audience, their would’ve probably been several fights but this is a unhealthy relationship so there probably wouldn’t be fights . But maybe in the future Adrien will take advantage of Marinette because she thinks he is perfect and he will use that against her . And also since this is the number one ship of the show so it probably will happen . Also here is my opinion for what would happen if the ages thingy would 13+ (in the future) . So Marinette will end up dating Adrien . She will also be dating Luka but doesn’t even know it . Ladybug is closer to Cat Noir . Cat noir still thinks Ladybug is amazing so he still loves her . Cat Noir ends up loving Ladybug more then Marinette. Adrien doesn’t show that at all and in Marinettes eyes she sees Adrien admiring ladybug rather then thinking he likes ladybug rather the me (even though they are the same person) . So sometimes she does feel unworthy and she goes to Luka , she just says all the stuff of what she is feeling and doesn mention a thing about Adrien, letting Luka believe she love him more then anyone . Marinette is still really stuttery around Adrien . But Marinette is still extremely creepy and is slowly becoming a psychopath . She starts becoming yandere . And if she sees a girl even just talking to Adrien she will try to kill her . This is what I think is going to happen . Thank you for your time.

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

Y'know the reason I support the ship not because of the show..but because of the fanfic (weel writeen ones)..then I realiaze in cannon..Nope..never gonna happen..Love seeing vids like htese that are neutral..nor going agaisnt the show..Like why?..I want the s1 and 2 dynamic back..Like why?..But nice video..

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Thank you for watching and for your thoughtful comment

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

@@TheArtisticAloubell I agree

[@mintysketch9053]

This one's gonna be interesting ha ha.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I hope it will be! Haha

[@beesbakery4116]

I really wish they kept what happened at the beginning of the new york special going where Mari was starting to calm down about Adrien but a few scenes later she's back at it again. Like could they PLEASE at least make her calm down, I'm tired of seeing Mari just stumble the second Adrien looks at her. Also I really don't like the only reason she got obsessed with him was because he was nice to her and said he was trying to get the gum off her seat and not put it there? I kinda wish they would have shown them being friends at first THEN you see her slowly start getting clumsier and more stuttery around him or her growing more and more comfortable with him and they become best friends that way. There's so many things they could have done and the fact they have gone with what they are and rewriting certain things kinda bugs me. I'm ready to give season 5 a chance but if they don't make this better I'm quitting the show, I've liked this show since about 6 months after it came out and my patience with it is running thin.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I honestly salute you for making it this far into the show haha The messed up thing about the NY special, aside from being teased with Mari getting development and then it getting taken away, is that Mari was technically with Luka at that point, no? Since it was after season 3 and season 4 opened with Mari and Luka dating. So...yeah. Mari does need to calm down XD

[@kenslycarpel3140]

I feel like the writers sort of know what they're doing, and sort of not know. One example of this would be Alya and Nino, to me, they work as a better couple than Marinette and Adrien, but the writers hardly give them any screen time, or even an episode to themselves. Heck, the scene that made them a couple happened off-screen for the love of the damned. I just hope the writers eventually know what to do, Miraculous is confirmed to go on for 7 seasons, so we're just about halfway there, but I don't think I'll be able to handle any more of this current Adrienette BS. Oh, and quick question: Will you ever review the Miraculous World specials?

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

It's a shame they give no attention to the actual couple X'D Or at least having mari acknowledge how and why they work well together X'3 I'm more wary of the fact that the writers keep doing different versions of how these two get together. I know about the recent episode and "reveal," and, predictably, they undid what was done and Adrienette lost their memories. The writers keep teasing it as if saying "oh believe us, the actual reveal and them getting together will be 1000% times better than what you've seen so far. Believe us!" And...I'm just having a hard time getting on board. They're hyping it up so much I have a hard time believing that the actual reveal and actual them becoming a couple won't be as fantastic as they think....idk... I currently don't have plans to review the specials. I don't have much to say about them. I'm a bit tempted to rant about how the show keeps undoing the reveals, but I'm really trying to branch my channel out and not talk about Miraculous so excessively, especially since I'm not a fan of the show and my knowledge of it is lacking. Thank you for the interest, though!

[@arsonwithizzy4283]

I love the points you used at the video I never really noticed those things, I've been in the Miraculous fandom since the first season came out and at first I loved Adrienette and shipped them a lot, but after sometime it started to get annoying and kinda unhealthy, now days I respect the Adrienette shipper and I know in the end they will be together but I really don't like the ship anymore, I think the ship just lost the "glow"

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

The ship isn't perfect nor developed fully and its a shame. I'm sorry the ship doesn't interest you anymore >__< It's especially a shame when the show manages to convince some people why their MAIN SHIP isn't the best.

[@emzekialisoha5858]

In my opinion, I definitely agree with a lot of your points in this video, personally, I still want Marinette and Adrien to get together at some point. However, I do wish the writers would acknowledge some romantic events that happened. I believe the best way to introduce a relationship between the two is to allow Marinette and Chat Noir to slowly cooldown on their crushes (Adrien and Ladybug) so they can allow experience dates with others before coming to a conclusion about liking their current crushes best. Marinette and Chat Noir will continue to have minor feelings for their current crushes, and sure, blush around each other sometimes, but that can lead to Chat Noir dating Marinette. Chat Noir x Marinette has always been my favorite part of the love square, even before I realized how toxic Arienette really was. Chat Noir and Marinette definitely had some chemistry when they first started to hang out with each other. Since Marinette and Chat Noir didn't feel like they were around their crushes, they felt a lot calmer around each other, showing flaws and no stuttering, etc. The only thing preventing them from considering even dating each other was that they still had a lot of interest in their past crushes. Eventually, Mari and Chat will realize they're best for each other, but to make the story more craving, they can make it so they hide the fact they still like their current crushes. When the reveal comes up, most likely when Marinette is comfortable with this, leading to Chat Noir revealing himself and Marinette transforming into Ladybug, they will officially become boyfriend and girlfriend and should maintain a good relationship. (Keep in mind, Lukanette could've also happened if it weren't for Marinette still going crazy for Adrien, however, Lukanette in my opinion, is not my cup of tea)

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Great points!

[@alyssamontgomery2978]

2:16 I WOULD EFFING LOVE THAT❣

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

X3

[@Jaymayy_kys]

i would like to know your opinion with marinettes obsession with Adrien bc shes literally stalking and stealing his stuff (the phone episode) and it's creepy that she knows what he's doing every single day like how did she find that out, also I believe if the roles were reversed the fanbase base would be hating on Adrien for being a creep so what do you think. Do you think it's just a thing to make people laugh or do you thinks it's very obsessive and toxic? Personally It feels like marinettes a yandere because she went from being mad at him to falling deeply in love with him because of a apology he made. also if you don't have any video ideas i would love to see your thoughts on this c:

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

Idk if it's enough content to dedicate a whole video to, but I don't mind sharing my thoughts! To me, it seems like the creator/writers think that Marinette's stalking/problematic behavior is cute and quirky and might just see it as humorous rather than serious. I'm pretty sure their intentions with her are pure (in which case, they lack self awareness). I actually wouldn't mind Mari's stalkerish behaviors IF it were acknowledged in canon as an actual flaw of hers. If other characters called her out (or even if Adrien noticed and was repulsed by it), it would be a good opportunity for Mari to have character development and learn what is and isn't okay when it comes to interacting with your crush. It would have been a great lesson to learn especially for people who have trouble with social cues and interactions. Mari could learn to treat Adrien like a person and would mature from being called out and reflecting on what she does and being aware of how it makes others feel. But no. We can't have nice things like that. So the writers seem to just not see her behaviors as a problem. Even worse, her friends enable these behaviors >.>

[@Jaymayy_kys]

@@TheArtisticAloubell yes I do agree I rlly hope the writers give her some kind of character development. Thank you for taking the time out of your day to respond!

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

@@Jaymayy_kys No problem!

[@indigo_the_weirdo9744]

When it comes to Adrienette I feel like I like the fan fiction ideas of them, but in the show I don't like it, I used to ship them as canon but with the way their relationship is going in the show ain't it, I don't like how Marinette is kind of a creepy stalker who has presents for Adrien's next 60 something birthdays and how she knows his daily schedule practically by heart, it creeps me out, I don't mind them being endgame, as long as the writers figure out a rewarding way to get them together, I wish we'd also see more actual development and not just stuff that feels like development but then gets reset in the next episode. Adrienette is also toxic, no question about that.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

I definitely agree that fanworks of Adrienette actually makes them a cute couple (I've seen fancomics on Instagram). But the canon relationship journey just seems so FRUSTRATING. Whatever the writers are building up to with them, it's not nearly as groundbreaking as they think it'll be >_>

[@indigo_the_weirdo9744]

@@TheArtisticAloubell I fully agree, I don't know how much longer they can keep building on the "Will they, won't they?" Especially when you know that they're endgame, but I guess we just can't have good things? It just sucks that the episodes only have the illusion of development without any development actually being there because it always resets in the next episode. It's frustrating at this point

[@riaisinfected]

I don’t see the lie.

[@TheArtisticAloubell]

X3