Advanced Sub Rogue PvP Guide

[@Michael_Fox1]

Intro 0:00-0:20 Talents 0:21-1:38 Macros 1:40-2:24 What to look at in arena 2:25-5:35 Damage Rotation 5:36-7:50 How to Open Part 1 7:52-9:41 Opener part 2 9:44-11:29 Opener Part 3 11:30-12:58 How to live part 1 13:00-15:41 How to live part 2 15:43-20:17 Pro tips 20:18-21:25

[@evanway478]

Great videos Mike. Appreciate how you break the games down and go over your decision making process.

[@Michael_Fox1]

Appreciate you sir

[@AT-do8op]

Really nice explanations, real life situations are very useful. I'm a fury war (2k in SS) trying to get into rogue and all this is exactly what I need. I have been trying with Assa but I feel I need more burst and this video made it for me. God Bless you, from Spain.

[@ralphwaldoramos]

you're the man! Awesome video my brother!

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@ralphwaldoramos thank you sir ❤️

[@jj5551556]

Michael Jackson Great Video!

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@jj5551556 Michael Jackson 😂😂 thx man!

[@Stres1989]

my boy! the goat

[@MCNorad]

great guide

[@nicothemonk]

Ty so much, great video. I was looking for a video like this lately. It was really helpful for me since I just got Into rogue. What do you think about the trickster hero talent in comparrison to the deathstalker? In terms of damage and survivability? I'd love to read your take on It.

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@nicothemonk I’m a bigger fan of deathstalker, in short it’s kinda less set up and more just on demand burst, trick is cool tho if you wanna set up window where you do crazy damage, for me tho I like the consistency of deathstalker

[@lzy_student5347]

Mike is OP =) What you think about sub rn in 3x3 meta? I play with destro warlock and dc as a sub 1700 rn. My mage main is 3000 xp glad. Many plays assa and out, but its boring for me )))

[@Michael_Fox1]

@lzy_student5347 I think destro can work, I know whaaz plays affy sub I really wanna try that in 3s and yeah lots of ppl opt for outlaw rn, rm is a solid of course too

[@bloodmoontalon]

Isnt thistle tea made passive before? Now its active button again??

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@bloodmoontalon it’s passive if you dip below I think 30 energy, you can still use it tho when ever

[@abuncharandomstuff]

I love Rogue and I especially love Sub but I've come to the realization I'm just not good enough or fast enough to play it. I'll give this a shot, but Sub feels like if I'm not on top of it or I make one mistake we instantly lose. I know R1 players like you can make it work but for the normal person out there like myself, it feels like the skill-cap is too high.

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@abuncharandomstuff it just takes some time and practice, it’s like rinse and repeat almost

[@syreez_]

the dmg on the battleground is so high bcs of the debuff you get from the orbs right?

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@syreez_ yeah I honestly one shot people all the time in BGS tho with salt water zerker buff and the mastery flask like on average 3-5 mil evis

[@syreez_]

@@Michael_Fox1 yooo thats crazy im will try it

[@Michael_Fox1]

@ yessir let me know how it works

[@JamenEllis]

VIEGUR

[@nunyabusiness1317]

show some solo shuffle games as sub. It's frustrating to play sub in solo shuffle i might just play assassination and call it a day but i just love globaling ppl in a stun its so much fun yet so easy to stop a sub rogue's burst. Just a little cc and its over. ZZZZZ

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@nunyabusiness1317 yeah it’s tough, you gotta make sure you have the lobby pretty much locked down, you should try the first dance talent so you have 4 more seconds of shadow dance

[@lukaku2095]

2nd highest rated horde sub in SS here in EU. Your biggest tools in SS are going to be bomb and duel. I cannot stress this enough. You are almost guaranteed a kill when used at the right time (target is low, no trinket, you have healer in cc etc) You want to be using KS on the healer into a step dance cheap on the kt as often as possible followed by your burst, and chaining cc on the healer where possible. Against melee cleaves where targets are stacked i would suggest taking the shadow dmg talent and 1 additional target rupture talent, this is going to give you way more dps over the course of a game but you still need to be setting up kills regularly. I think sub is actually very strong right now burst is high, but you have to be very on point with your decisions and global usage, that meals no gaps in cc and always having step available to jump on the kt or healer (for a kick if possible).

[@Michael_Fox1]

@@lukaku2095that’s a pretty valid take on it, yeah you can almost for sure kill in a duel with blades and all your buttons up as long as KT doesn’t have a trinket

[@nunyabusiness1317]

@@lukaku2095 interesting. I definitely need to stop blowing duel and smoke bomb in the first couple seconds of the game. Definitely a big problem lol. I also need to kidney shot the healer A LOT more. On cooldown actually, especially setting up kills. I'll take this advice, thanks.

[@Blood_Ronin]

​@@nunyabusiness1317using duel on healer to let your other dps score the kill is super useful too. I hit 1800 sub using the build in this video. Was really run.

[@TheVirtualRogue]

i hate how wow became addon war.

[@Michael_Fox1]

It sucks, I remeber back in the cata/mop days I had gladius and that was pretty much it 😂