How One Of The Best Rogues In The World DOMINATES WoW PvP

[@rupexo]

that feral charge meld sap was absolutely bonkers wtf

[@mellowoutt500]

I used to watch him multi box 2 rogues in 2s. He would use one then swap and use that one. He got to over 2100 alone. Dude is nuts

[@taz_trader]

wtf

[@overdrive112]

What am I reading lmao

[@Lloocii]

Ziqo has some videos doing this with mage/rogue. Calls it schizo cleave and it's entertaining af.

[@frrmrr4314]

jesus christ

[@Nothingnesslol]

Man I wish I was a 17 years old prodigy on adderall

[@Burburburgucci]

@@popesymbolism9365 it's almost identical, and being on adderall would for sure make it easier not harder

[@ProllyHighAsf]

I played with him most of bfa when he was like 12 and he could type faster than i could talk dudes a legend.

[@Heavoc]

@@ProllyHighAsf being on the spectrum is insane..

[@csquared4538]

If you're a kid and want to be the best in the world at something, pick something old people do.

[@jeff230394]

@@Nothingnesslol just identify as one and you can be anything bro

[@muscacholi]

Love the respect Ven has for good rogues especially after playing one

[@nope-su1jy]

This is the best video I've watched from you in years, and I love your content. I've often wished you and Supatease would start making videos like this. It is akin to GothamChess commenting on Hikaru and Magnus Carlsen games in chess with some hype and enthusiasm, which does so well on YT. I hope you keep this up. Best wishes brother. Love the content.

[@LlDDSLl]

Another thing worth mentioning, he's doing these things vs. extremely good, often tournament level players. He's not Qing it up at 1500 styling on noobs. It makes it that much more insane

[@narbwow8168]

Eh, I would kinda disagree. At a high level it's easier to predict the gameplay of others. In a 1500 crappy skirmish you never know what wild shit the other players are gonna do, making it harder to do a play where you, say, re-Sap a Sap trinket. Obviously his gameplay is still insane, but it works because he knows what the opponents are likely going to do.

[@tomjr6452]

@@narbwow8168 agreed

[@odonky]

he just got washed put in the rack and dried out by Pikaboo today

[@abysmalvoid]

@@odonky are you sure you aren't talking about a 1500 noob from pikaboo's stream?

[@odonky]

@@abysmalvoid no it was the AWC

[@nerbuhc]

People be like rogue op, but the rogues they fight arent anything near kalvish, pika, whaaz XD

[@jeff230394]

This is why people say rogue has the highest skill cap

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

It does. The class is balanced around the top 1% of players so if you don't do this stuff consistently it's actually pretty below-average every expansion.

[@czechmate9202]

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator that's only true for players under 1800ish, you don't need to do anywhere near this for it to be at least above average in any expansion. Rogue has always been A or S tier in arena 1800+

[@SYLXM]

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator That is not true at all. You don't need to be anywhere near this level for rogue to be one of the best specs in the game.

[@taz_trader]

@@SYLXM lol right and not to mention this is a compilation of the entire xpac of his top plays. It's 5 mins of 20-30 second clips so while most of them are completely insane outplays, its not like this is mandatory for rogue to be good. gladiator is full of rogues who dont even make plays like this, kalvish is just completely cracked.

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

@@taz_trader Why do you think it's the same rogues every season hitting glad? When DH is busted, a bunch of new faces show up and snag glad easily on the low skill cap class. Ret paladin strong? Say hello to 3 times the ret paladins that season, casual rerolls hitting glad. Whoops, warrior or BM hunter are strong, here comes the doubling of representation because everyone flocks to the class. The same rogues hit glad every season because they're fucking cracked at pvp and have been playing for tens of thousands of hours. When rogue is strong it's still the same group of people. There are a lot of FOTM classes but rogue really isn't one of them. If you roll rogue as FOTM you're just going to be average, it's not a pick-up-and-succeed class.

[@robertjmessenger]

im playing a very different game than ya'll XD

[@aaronr9551]

I know the feeling lol😂

[@timothymorrison5918]

I don't...know...what is happening.

[@sixgunracing7035]

That’s excactly what I said. Hahaha. Pika boo. Came into a Lobby and killed us both in like 10 seconds and I said. Whaaaaat.

[@PULAG]

Dedicate your life to a game you can do it too! And yes they don't need regular jobs so they have the advantage

[@kewlf00l85]

And here im still proud of the one time i thought there was a rogue nearby so i dropped a trap behind me and the rogue stepped right into it, which allowed me to get distance and open on him. Felt so good. This video is so far beyond my comprehension that i fear i cant fully appreciate it.

[@SYLXM]

My wow pvp knowledge is pretty boomer, but this kid gives me glimpses of the mechanical genius that I saw in woundman back in the day. These are some of the crazies clips I have ever seen.

[@Lloocii]

Check out Perplexity. He's that guy for classic/vanilla.

[@AwesomepowPOW]

Reckful aswell, "Reckful 3" (if I am not mistaken) was the bomb back in the day

[@groshy]

Yeah, these guys are getting oiled up pretty big!

[@the541x]

Woundman... lol. Cmon dude.

[@xy__3]

Would love to see more content just like this.

[@BrevityIsFTW]

Meld has absolutely no business not being nerfed for this long.

[@AleyoCZ]

Reminds me of Reckful 1 -3 clips

[@Regis_Philbin]

This guy is insane. Cool to see you break it all down

[@AnotherCrazyClown]

Damn, Ben Saphiro is crazy good at WoW pvp

[@danfontaine8179]

Lmao.

[@JCJeffrey]

Love to see a Class 1 v 1 tournament, the best of the best in a best out of 3 Round winner take all! 🔥

[@TMxFlame]

a great example of how important it can be to have a mouse with extra buttons and actually using them correctly, 2 or 12 buttons can matter its just about using them correctly

[@StrobeFireStudios]

That Step to avoid was vs Aeghis and Nahj. Let that sink in. Aeghis and Nahj. The two arguably best Mage and Rogue players currently active. That is fucking wild.

[@joeykowk5216]

Didn’t Nahj just got 3-0 clapped in 2v2 against pika and xar the other day lmao

[@masonbarnes48]

@@joeykowk5216what’s your point?

[@MinisculeBug]

@@masonbarnes48 He doesn't have a point. His counter was "They lost at some point, and the best players NEVER lose" as if the top 1% of players have a 100% win rate.

[@masonbarnes48]

@@MinisculeBug haha exactly right

[@KingJerbear]

@@joeykowk5216 Are you trying to somehow imply that Pika and Xar aren't two of the best players currently active as well? Cream of the crop rises to the top mate. The top 100 players are all elite, the difference as you go higher is just more consistency, but nobody is undefeated.

[@johnnygotti4369]

I know more than half of us is around 30ish… wishing we were born in this era no work no responsibilities… pure gaming

[@xilial]

yes please. In my times we went to the arcade machines. There wasn't even consoles

[@Lloocii]

Yee, I spent my youth tramping around outside because my mother wouldn't let me ever play my Nintendo. I collected pop cans and did little odd jobs around my neighborhood for months to buy a Nintendo. Then it mostly sat their collecting dust because I could never play it. I'm not saying I didn't have a blast outside, too, and probably better for me. Still, my prime gaming years were dealing with dial-up.

[@bumpythelumpy]

⁠​⁠@@hushed6160 True, but it’s only really your athletic prime if you’ve already solidified a lot of mind-body connection in your teens and 20s. If you’re starting from scratch, you won’t be as explosive or instinctive as someone who put in the same amount of time as you but is in their late teens to 20s. This is anecdotal but ime you can tell if someone only got into sports later in life, even if they’re jacked and putting a lot of time into it Not that it matters much for WoW though lol, or really any pursuit outside of athletics. You can definitely go from 1400 to r1 glad in your 30s if you’re serious and put full time job hours into it. None of the plays in this video are really high apm or reactive, they’re largely anticipatory plays from knowing that a player in a certain situation has to hit certain buttons to efficiently live and countering them a split second beforehand. Combined with playing a lot of the same players over and over and getting even more of a feel for how they play

[@アマ-p2l]

You think you do, but you don't. We were playing at this exact level before 2010, nobody remembers those servers and players, we didn't create content because none of those players were going to continue playing the game due to the deathknight meta, since that was obviously and entirely worthless garbage. You have to remember at the end of TBC you had hundred thousands of PVP players who played their class for literal years, that's why it's fascinating people don't believe just how high the skill level was when I share my experience. This guy here made me reminicise, I haven't seen a rogue whose gameplay is closer or higher to the level a certain handful of rogues with 10,000 hours of playtime were at. Nobody at this skill level made any money, the tournament rewards have been a joke, arenas were literally full of bugs and people were literally bugusing and not getting banned for it, so if earning money with WoW Esports meant playing against bugusers, dealing with buggy or broken patches all day long, adjusting to the newest broken meta each time or quit being a competitor. And the reward for getting rank 1 was that GMs and community moderators, based on your rank, gave you enough time to explain how they couldn't care less that it was completely obvious the game would become unplayable with the addition of DKs in WOTLK because their strategy is to roll out patches all day long and make endless amounts of money, while the best players in a game with 10 million players barely get paid at all. WoW was, is and will continue to be a complete joke when it comes to Esports. If you master playing WoW you can't even apply those skills anywhere else, it's a complete waste of time. The only enjoyment I got was competitive play which you can experience without trying hard, just arrange 1v1/2v2/3v3 duels with gold rewards, other than that the most fun thing was to be a raidboss, for example carrying a battleground as a 2 man team or solo.

[@dmilla9600]

I qued with him in BFA and playing rmp no one could do anything he set up and with our cc it was just insane he helped me get my first 2800

[@Localpref416]

I love watching him amd Palimor on stream great banter

[@amerjoharji8104]

Palimor it shit for real , i remember him in BFA he was in 1800

[@dorisco1]

Great video. This should be a series.

[@ForTheHorde01]

pretty sick. honestly reminds me of the old school wotlk rogue tech

[@stiinky5269]

kalvish is insane honestly, seeing the slowmo videos of his reaction times is fucking nuts

[@enemyone5991]

very sad i had to drop my prime gaming skills for mid gym physique

[@torranth]

Love these breakdown videos

[@xilial]

yeah, I would missed the details without the explanations

[@incognito8477]

Takes a certain level to understand what is happening

[@mdaniel444]

Shadowlands actually had one of the best pvp metas IMO. Very fast and counter-based gameplay. It was just plagued by all of the chores (tourghast, legendary stuff, etc.)

[@joeylapinski3463]

Someone gotta tell Ven about video playback speed options on the videos xD

[@Try_Hard_Dad]

No wayyyyyyyyyy he stepped, and then WALKED THROUGH HIM CALMLY

[@EvilSt0ner]

I named my Rogue Trinketsap because back in the day everyone would waste their trinkets on sap and get stuck in full blind. A big play back then was landing a sap out of a fear, now it's considered mandatory but back then noone was doing it.

[@ingy421]

remember when combo points were only able to be used on the target built on? and rogues were still the best possible class in the best hands in true vanilla. i miss it but this is a completely different game today. prep def makes up for being able to kidney a target you havent even focused yet xD

[@TheShaunika]

ngl, the most impressive part of this is how iunsanely well he's communicating everything. even when I was a lighting reflexed 18 year old in wotlk I always just "did my thing" and only communicated big stuff. I didnt have the mental capacity to fully narrate every minuscule thing I'm doing

[@Rankka777]

Feels like Unmercey returned to wow. Insane player

[@the541x]

Unmercy wasnt even that good tf.

[@SKyh1gh29]

Incredible!!! and with this video you could start a new series... : about the top players in arena! ^^

[@LinkSmith-zb7rr]

Legit I dont understand how some of this is even possible

[@xtsteff]

me too bro

[@andrecardoso6941]

Everything is possible when you commit hard enough to something. All this comes with a lot of practise.

[@doesntmatter397]

I had 2 coaching sessions with R1 Ele sham, we were winning games out of the blue even though ele was one of the weakest specs at the time. The way he explained it is that the game at this level is extremely predictable, likened it to a math problem where there is always a correct answer to each question. The lower CR players are unpredictable, but play inefficiently (over stacking defensives, poor cc timing when bursting). High CR players make highly efficient plays but are more predictable. These plays in the video are examples of Kalvish taking advantage of that predictability. DR trackers and addons definitely help too.

[@Aquificae]

​@@doesntmatter397 i find wow to be a mechanically easy game in many ways (compared to most mobas and shooters, for instance), but it takes a long time to know shit. i mean just look at the screens in this video, it's so much information that even i, having played wow for a long time (though mostly casually and in short bouts), still feel about 80-90% lost. once you know everything though, and you can just look at timers, it probably becomes quite easy, just a simple matter of adding and subtracting, except for stuff like we see from kalvish

[@q2subzero]

Because WoW allows the use of macro buttons. 70% of these tricks would not be possible with out macros in the game.

[@KV.Inspired]

I do appreciate you making a shout out for Kalvish, he deserves it so much ❤

[@Harawolf]

His apm is absolutely crazy

[@Mert-716]

@5:12 What does he mean "pre-duels" him? Like challenge a an enemy player to a duel during an arena?

[@adamcurrie5528]

Shadow duel- a pvp talent within subtlety

[@Avean]

This is what i like about rogues, the high skill ceiling. So much potential if you just know how to play this class properly.

[@emansfield2017]

That’s the PROBLEM with rogues, they can never be balanced properly. I understand there’s a skill aspect to it, but that would only be okay if other classes had a similar skill requirement. But since rogue is kinda the only class with their kit being that crazy it just means it was designed very poorly

[@litirl]

​@emansfield2017 100% agree with you, ofc there will always be variance but at the same time the differences are so vast it's insane. would be awesome if each class had skill expression similar

[@kyleb7488]

The meld into sap was nutty

[@Zetherior]

Nerf night elf.

[@ign0bilium]

It is such a cool ability though. Maybe give Shadowmeld to druids and do something else with Nelfs. Shadowmeld is basically a core druid ability.

[@placeholdername3206]

The fact that meld is still in the game in its current form is just mind boggling. Yeah you can do some cool shit with it, too much. It ticks too many boxes to the point that you cant actually play the game without it if you start getting good with it.

[@jenkinsleeroy4164]

​@placeholdername3206 meld was exactly as good ever since they made it usable in combat back in wrath.. ppl knew you could meld cc and stuff and yet it was never as popular as now or even considered one of the best.. its weird to me seeing it rise the past year

[@Ironiclobster69]

one of the ways I have always been great at games is you have to be ahead of whats happening and this is a perfect example. In every setup he knows what reactions his actions will cause so he is already ready to take the next action after that its just a matter of timing, he is probably thinking 3 globals ahead of players at all times. I heal and my teammates are always impressed how I can cleanse/act in literally 0.1 seconds and its becuase I already know what and when my opponent wants to do. This is very important for CCs if you know when and how the enemy is/wants to CC you can avoid and minimize a lot of it. Just takes a lot of practice becuase you need to know everything. In wrath I had ever classes CDs known by heart and had played every comp under the sun to know how they work.

[@CaseyCrouse24]

FYI Ven, for slow-mo reviews, you can use KZbin’s playback speed yourself to slow it down :)

[@ro9ue]

Playing rogue in PVP and PVE are two wildly different experiences. Their control toolkit is what made them so fun to play, but have little to no use in PVE anymore. I pvp less as I get older and my main (rogue) feels more and more boring. I still love seeing clips like these though because that’s what drew me to the class originally.

[@AbrahamLincoln_]

I had to slow down Venruki's slow down.

[@frostgodx]

The skill is outrageous also the kalvish 2 is sooooo late he should be on 5 by now as a boss it gives actual reckful vibes. Cant wait to watch AWC

[@pauloslife]

We have Reckful 2.0 before GTA6. Congratz to the dude, best rogue world rn.

[@inspyre4312]

Dudes been insane but yeah big respect to every young sub rogue prodigy. Last time it was pika and i looked up to him a lot (I loved watching reckful too)

[@kerkertrandov459]

pika keeps drinking alcohol every day, his brain is deteriorating at an unprecedented rate. when u have all the time in the world to do what u want and plenty of money, people tend to drink a lot. in a few years he's gonna be a shadow of his former self. case in study look at forsen and sodapoppin, they're just boomers now, their brain cannot match the youngsters anymore, not cuz they're 30 but cuz they drank a lot. they think slower, their thought process is slower. with each day u drink it damages ur brain by a tiny bit, and it adds up over time, years and years of drinking every day will do that to u. pika is heading that way too if he doesn't stop drinking every day. but gl telling him that, he doesn't listen.

[@JamenEllis]

What’s crazy is the priest clip with the step and walk is against a multi R1 priest

[@distantdk]

Never got to see the full clip after the explanation :).

[@dj_jx]

We will see how good he will be after 2 days. AWC start today, but will be broadcasted after 2 days.. which is stupid but that's m opinion also. They could add 30 min or 1h delay and do it in the same day.

[@FinkleTheMage]

Kalvish is absolutely out of this world good, and he's such a nice dude too.

[@basilkeller8674]

reflexes like reckful

[@koskettaja609]

Flashy rogue plays are always great to see, but its pretty sad you have to do them constantly to win tournaments while other comps can mostly just zug and win

[@cheekclapperxo3338]

the next reckful

[@Razaghuul]

Whazz has said kalvish reminds him of himself when he was younger, will make crazy plays he probably Shouldn’t but if they come off its insane

[@dj_jx]

How one of the best rogues just got desintegrated 3:0 by Welcome To the Jungle. They sent them to lower bracket where they will face THE MOVE with Pikaboo :) That is nice name for new video Ven :)

[@KimBoKastekniv]

So basically Kalvish is the perplexity of retail wow

[@apicomplexa305]

Truly love rogue since tbc (much less button bloat) today It is nearly impossible to master the class in pvp yet it is so funny.

[@PULAG]

The two rogues you mentioned, have they ever 1v1? Good video to make.

[@powerlurker]

he was so good and fast I dont even know what happened

[@alrightylol]

Hah reminds me old days of Wotlk with all those sick rogue movies like Akrios/woundman etc

[@the541x]

Akrios yes, woundman... not so much

[@RiskOnRealEstate]

What add on is he using putting large debuff icons by their health bars over their heads ? And the big button count down shadow step ?

[@Botlivesmatter00]

Reminds me of a mir clip in tbc classic of him 360ing a step kidney to dodge it and i thought it was the coolest shit ever

[@musical_brainproductions]

How does he get sapped instantly? After he breaks out?

[@whyso70]

We can all agree he is the king of sapping

[@wynandengelbrecht7766]

Macro's based on weather the target is not cc'd and just spams it to get insta blinds/gouges etc. Its literally on the screen on his action bars.

[@tjwood4810]

Even after having Ven pause and explain everything, I don't even know where anything of the things being talked about are on the UI lol

[@Ivan.Nikolic]

jeez that's..wow

[@1refi]

problem with this is. blizzard actually continue to tune sub based on the top .5 percent of players. whille all other specs get tuned based on the player base. that has to stop.

[@alexcarr5869]

I didn’t know this difficulty level existed in wow

[@theshadowpriest7748]

Sorry, but how is he able to sap so much in arean in the middle of combat? How does it count that as the target being out of combat?

[@jasontoney9886]

His Moves makes Pika look like a rookie rogue, playing in a sandpit ! then when you know players like pika live or die skill-less on cast sequance macros it makes all the work Kalvish does all the more special, knowing these moves and tricks are all on bindings....So insane watching kalvish schooling all !

[@hdim1]

Used to see more of that in the old days, where people tracked their AA too. Especially rogue duels between the best were OP. Still, Whaazz is coordinating his team better. His teams execute tactics flawlessly, it's not just him and I guess he is guiding them to it.

[@kerkertrandov459]

whaazz isn't a 1v1 or 2v2 player really. he focuses on 3v3 where it's more about teamplay and coordination as opposed to 300 apm energy drink andy which would be 1v1. and then 2v2 somewhere in the middle. in fact most of the awc players don't touch 2v2 at all, which is kinda frustrating as a 2v2 player and goldshire dueling fan.

[@placeholdername3206]

I love videos like this. I used to love the old Neilyo videos from TBC lol. Whaazz doesn't care about stupid shit like rogue duels. He only cares about 3's with the same people he has played with for however many years, and winning tournaments. You don't win consistently doing flashy, high risk moves that look great on video but only works 1/10 times.

[@xxgamerxx6074]

Kalvish is insane. So good

[@magnussen6045]

Well seems like we have a new god to worship.

[@ukemisan1416]

Thanks for explaining this I had no idea how nuts this is. I am just a filthy casual.....

[@ErnestoTrueba]

Remember Reckfull

[@Ram90ification]

He is like Khuna back in Cata and MOP except with adderall

[@fleau7041]

12:17 the addon to see enemy's spell is useful to meld that step ^^

[@timothyh3063]

Meanwhile, Mistweaver pov is /cast soothing mist 40 yards away

[@conditi0ns]

a kalvish glazing video before gta 6 holy

[@stiinky5269]

lmaooooo

[@tworadon]

Why can Rogue keep an OP toolkit but Shaman disruption gets nerfed? Static Field Totem could be a 20 sec CD and wouldn't make Shaman as inherently OP as Rogue.

[@xilial]

I wish they increase the skill cap of more classes.

[@kevinmiller5051]

I swear some people just experience time slower than everyone else.

[@omff6329]

probs some high tech aura reaction bot

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

Some bot programs do, sure.

[@vadyazmey]

Well its too complex even for 2.7 players on other classes. Sadly, blizz removes cdr sub build in 11.0.5, thats also worth highlighting 😢

[@jacobkasper-i9o]

I’m 43yrs old all this is why I play rogue.

[@AlleviateWoW]

It's funny to see the CC difference from SL to DF lol

[@gamerchadtv]

Yeah my thoughts aswell DF Arena seems to be an M+ mode.

[@OmDesk]

Hey venruki can you do a fire/frostfire meteor litfuse combo? I switched back to fire since the buff and it helped alot in making more damage in pvp(not necessary more efficient than sunfury arcane). I stack for fire fall and double meteor into lit fuse-blast-comb-blast -flamestrike-blast-flame-blast-flame. Sometimes if I'm not their focus I throw greater pyroblast before the combo. Can you teach me to do it better ? I find that litfuse triggers more often now and playable rn.

[@deserable]

This guy is indeed insane wtf

[@chairswing]

ain't no way Venruki just recently learned of Kalvish

[@Burgerklauer]

how can he have glaive mog as a rogue at 2:16?? i got them on my dh but i dont know how to mog them on my rogue. does the rogue need the achievement as well? ive killed illidan the other day during timewalking on rogue as well

[@shawnp1780]

Far as I know only dh have to do that bs. But if you got the achievement you should be able to do it.

[@Kavai19]

i think hes morphing...im not sure if its still called tmorph but i recall him talking about morph codes before. a client side program that changes ur appearances in game only on UR side so no one else sees it ( if you arent already aware ) would not recommend it is def against TOS

[@shawnp1780]

@@Kavai19 pretty sure he is just talking about transmog. Because I can transmog the glaives on my rogue

[@Burgerklauer]

@@shawnp1780 really how? Do you actually have the items on your rogue?

[@shawnp1780]

@Burgerklauer I farmed them. Like all the legendary weapons. Hell, I've got thunderfury on like 5 toons lol even a mage haha

[@AwkwardDreamer]

"He should have slow-motioned this" *Doesn't toggle the video speed to .25 or .5* *Uses pause to slow down instead of using keys to go frame by frame* I love Venruki's videos but these could have made it better/easier for him to explain/showcase this stuff :>

[@TrevorTheBowler]

What’s his action bar add on

[@pumpkiin101]

time to go 0-6 on my sub rogue all day haha

[@Macwall74]

taking a 5 minute clip and farming it out into almost a 15 minute reaction upload. Asmongold would be so proud!!

[@BCrouse.]

What I’m about to say is not referring to him but to the majority of the player base in most games based off a study i followed for a bit. While higher apm is impressive it doesn’t correlate efficiency. The study found most of the players who improved rapidly were able to efficiently take in the data on the screen had much stronger predictor of game skill than apm. So for all you older gamers you still have a chance 🎉

[@vankhorne]

Except it seems like our APM and Data-Taking capabilities diminish as we get older. I was much better at both when I was younger.

[@BCrouse.]

@@vankhorne definitely true but one diminishes faster than the other

[@TK-is7re]

“Can he beat pikaboo tho” < this is just the meme format of “can he beat goku tho” more pvp players = more fun for me >