Advent Faction Overview - Sins Of A Solar Empire 2

[@MontuPlays]

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[@wishiwascooler]

The Advent were always my favorite in the original for their sweet interplay between the units. Basically being able to mass shield your fleet and then mass regen the shields with the colony capship. And then having the battleship being able to taunt ships making them focus it, along with the damage reflect from the flying chili pepper capship. So much cooperation, it's nuts!

[@benhamster]

In other words: Strength in unity!

[@benhamster]

In other words: Strength in unity!

[@jhayemdoubleyou]

Thank you for this sexy Advent showcase. The Unity prevails through you.

[@95DarkFire]

Interesting that Advent have long range misslie frigates and bombardement lasers now. In the first game, it was the other way round.

[@Omnomface]

It was done to balance the game, i think: The first game saw them nerf the beam frigate because it was insanely OP. Moving a new version of that to cruiser size helps alot!

[@blairfraser8005]

Their missile frigates work completely and have a different role in combat (as compared to TEC and Vasari). Both the vasari and tec missiles are tuned towards taking down something like a capital ship but vasari missile have a change to bypass shields and tec can't. Advent missiles (Swarm Missiles) are tuned for high acceleration, high speed and volume count and are much better at taking down less-tough or fast moving things like corvettes - you wouldn't want these for dealing with a capital ship. they also have a research feature where these missiles can acquire new targets if their initial target dies - tec and vasari missiles just continue straight.

[@Isnogood12]

@@blairfraser8005 Also makes them far more viable against a lot of PD because they can overwhelm it and keep your bomber squadrons safe.

[@blairfraser8005]

@@Isnogood12 Yep, you are 100% correct. I should have mentioned that!

[@antilarge7860]

@@Isnogood12If you require PD ships to win fights you are only hurting yourself

[@ahjington89]

Just bought and played as advent my first ever game. Died in about 30mins. Love it cant wait to keep playin

[@stalliontv8788]

I’m new too, I played TEC enclave and their garrisons are op

[@bloodhat3097]

Hope you will do this showcase for all factions

[@sergegostoli9524]

yeah can't wait to see what the Vasari have (the faction I always play)

[@Niksaiznemts]

Great overview. Looked at your channel but couldn't find overview like this for TEC and Vasari factions, did I miss them? Would be nice seeing them also.

[@AdamWhiteside]

Pretty much the same as Sins 1. If you haven't played, then all factions have similar ship types, just different abilities. TEC is all around, general and covers all bases. Advent is more shield, culture and Psionic abilities and Vasari are durable, resourceful and phase jump technology.

[@kompav5621]

Montuwu + Sins 2 = Pog

[@cyp976]

Thanks a lot for this video ! We want more about sins of solar !

[@Stukov961]

We are exiles no longer! Man, these ships are sexy as all get out. The Eradica is gorgeous, and much less weirdly anime than the original, and the Halcyon glowup, good lord! Very interesting reimagining of the old culture cannon. Oh and the second Eradica ability is called Chastic Burst, you know as in the word chastise, not chaotic.

[@vineveer4358]

At the end, the stars literally aligned to give you a hyperspace lane.

[@KyraCinderwing]

That three-pronged offensive was beautiful. It was as if the stars bowed at the wave your fingers as you foresaw the opening of the way to their homeworld. Truly a worthy commander of the Advent.

[@Doombot221]

I feel like with fighting armies this strong it may be better to start with the radiance battleship as it is one of the few tankier capital class ships. Getting it to level up earlier might make it more viable to act as an anchor for the fleet when you have to face those dangerous early battles?

[@VaernSul]

Can't speak for Sins 2 but in the first game the standard BO was mothership first and Radiance second. The boost in survivability from the shield regen is enough to carry you through the first few colonies, and once you've got your early economy sorted you can follow up with the Radiance for extra firepower.

[@Doombot221]

@@VaernSul I might have been more of a noob so my advice might not be great, but I did like being able to level up the directly more combat focused capital ship first to make sure they could weather the damage from other factions.

[@MrFrazer5800]

If you dont build carrier first as Advent you are playing wrong. Ignore psyonic push and Focus on the other 2 abilities. Try it. Trust me.

[@francopereyra6659]

Finally, now do one for the TEC and The Vasari

[@Vognee]

Ah, the standard AI shortcomings banging head first against well fortified places instead of amassing strength and staying ahead

[@techtubbs3587]

MONTU DOING SINS OF A SOLAR EMPIRE HOLY MOLY IM HAPPY

[@wbfscv331]

I'd love to see similar faction overviews for the other factions too.

[@joethesheep4675]

Missiles on my Advent. I am not sure if i like that. Ok. Some interesting changes. Clairvoyance without the need for a revelation battlecruiser. Malice going onto the rapture which looses its strikecraftaura. The Halcyon Carrier loosing its energy weaponbuff aura. I like that the Radiances Animosity now has built in tankyness and the passive works differently so now you can take 1 ability but not the other (even tho they synergize quite well and are still probably used in conjunction; levelling this ship was always a nobrainer (max passive, max cleansing brilliance, 3 burst antimatter, 1 animosity (or go 2/2)). I am guessing that this will largely stay this way but i see more variable in this now. With the new passive you certainly are more incentivised to put more points into animosity or less points into the passive. No more hullrepair on the subjugator (that sucks but it was always a bit strange that advent have a repairship so...), it gets iconocus guardians repulsionfield instead (which works differently now) and the guardian apparently now only has 1 ability (but even more shield than it already had it seems like to be even better at its primary role). We get secondary shield generators. I hope they offset the lack of hullrepair. All in all a nerf for sure (those 2 auras where juicy as fuck) although the techtree and ofc also how the other factions work (all 3 used to have very powerful auras) can easily offset things. The recall-power being the most powerful new thing i' ve seen in this video, especially with jump inhibitors which actully inhibit jumps this is powerful (Visari technically could replicate something like this with the Kostura cannon but 1. i am fairly sure the kostura canon gets reworked (just like the deliverance engine)and 2. its still jumping so a jump inhibitor would still work unlike the advents recall. I am really excited to look at the Coronata Titan now. Not only because loyalists are my favorite faction but its ultimate ability is now a unity power so it needs a new ultimate and also, apparently they are moving away from auras and the Coronatas hands down best ability is its supression aura. I wonder if they change that slot too. If so might easily be the most changed titan in the game. 🤔 Pleased so far. Seems like they are leaning bit more towards micromanagement aka active gameplay which is a good thing in my book

[@Stukov961]

Advent Rebel was always my jam. The new Eradica is looking sweet as all hell. I wonder if it still explodes when unyielding will runs out. If it doesn't it's going to be practically impossible to destroy thanks to the recall.

[@Stukov961]

And yeah I agree that Advent missiles feels wrong

[@joethesheep4675]

@@Stukov961 yeah. I started out as rebel but moved to loyalists at some point. The new Eradica looks gorgeous but the ship that really caught my eye is the new Radiance. Lookswise probably now my favorite (in soase i would give it to the Rapture; the Radiance looks a bit strange with its crooked nose; i mean nothing like "TEC-ugly" but not particularly nice in the Advents roster). They wont make a Titan practically invulnerable. Should that be the case at launch they will fix that fast but it probably wont ever be the case.

[@joethesheep4675]

​@@Stukov961 my feeling aswell. It depends tho on "how" they make these missiles. Like regular ass missiles like the TEC use would feel wrong on Visari aswell. If the Advent missiles are, idk "beaming energy wonderous missiles" or "psymissiles" or something it would be fine. If they truly are just regular ass TEC missiles i am not approving of this. Edit: now that i' ve seen them in action i think i' ll get used to them. I like how they fit the adventdesign (although that was a given) and the swarmcharacter of them. Also that they can redirect makes em not only feel unique besides TEC missiles snd visaris phase missiles they also work a bit differently.

[@blairfraser8005]

@@joethesheep4675 Repeat of my post above regarding Advent Missiles (we call them Swarm Missiles). Their missile frigates work completely and have a different role in combat (as compared to TEC and Vasari). Both the vasari and tec missiles are tuned towards taking down something like a capital ship but vasari missile have a change to bypass shields and tec can't. Advent missiles are tuned for high acceleration, high speed and volume count and are much better at taking down less-tough or fast moving things like corvettes - you wouldn't want these for dealing with a capital ship. they also have a research feature where these missiles can acquire new targets if their initial target dies - tec and vasari missiles just continue straight.

[@aqua995]

35:09 Beam Turrets go brrrrrr well played, hope you show us some of the other maps

[@spektri2297]

Space Tatoine? Ah, yes, very clever writing, shakespere of our age truly-

[@davesobani9565]

So Aspec has to do TEC now😂. We need a vs

[@burjisazrael4164]

That was exciting.

[@joethesheep4675]

Visary have phase missiles which can bypass shields some but i have never seen an adventship go down with shields intact. Even Advent loyalists (which are more suceptible to phase missiles due to tech) vs. Visari rebels (which have stronger phase missiles) and vise versa i have not seen it making a difference and i was really testing it. So idk what folks are talking about visari being soo good against advent because of phase missiles. I think its probably rubbish.

[@jwillis5435]

Doesn't it allow phase missiles to continue damaging the hull when the shield burst restores the shields? That would make it easier to finish off ships that get a shield burst right before they reach 0 hull.

[@joethesheep4675]

@@jwillis5435 might be. HZavent played Vasari in a while. I can only say what i just said: I never saw it make a difference. Maybe in theory in some rare scenario it will make a difference. I hope it does because phasing throw shield should have some use in some situations or it would be completely pointless. It is not nearly as strong as a lot of ppl think tho.

[@Stukov961]

@@joethesheep4675 I think you have to very deliberately focus on building missile ships for it to be noticeable. All things considered, there's not that many ships that pack them. The Kanrak Assailant, obviously, four of the capital ships, the anti-fighter ship, either titan, and then the starbase and missile platform, but those are (mostly) static. The Assailant is made out of paper, and just lol at trying to bring bombers against Advent with a handful of Halcyons.

[@joethesheep4675]

@@Stukov961 as i said: i really tried. I went phase missile focus on vasari rebels and attacked advent loalysts with pure phase missiles and it didnt kill anything with shields so...

[@antilarge7860]

@@joethesheep4675ship abilities and non missile weapons do so much damage already that you only notice it in small battles, but it is there.

[@shawnhurley3041]

I'm sad that I didn't see the Discord Class Battleship included, as it was one of my favorite Advent capital ships from Sins Rebellion

[@kylelantan9220]

Should maybe have mentioned that the colonize ability on the capital ship comes with benefits over using a bog standard colony ship. According to what I saw there, it looks like you get 3 free research. I dunno what research means in SOASE 2. Is it a currency for spending on research?

[@MontuPlays]

So that means you get up to level 3 on the planet, which gives, 5, 15, or 30% research speed boost at levels 1, 2 & 3

[@dumbdragon36]

Every day watching a Montu video is another day well spent

[@Deathelement53]

Advent have the best designs and it's not even close

[@EmpReb]

The TEC introduced you to the power of logistics. Heheh

[@jkg8108]

I need more, love this. What's your review of the game so far?

[@Cybrex1]

Montu down to play when the game comes out? I played rebellion and am enjoying your streams - Message by the H.H.H

[@klaxxon__]

The Radiance looks like a posh space superyacht.

[@Radixos]

Heyy! Are you planning on going through other factions too? I'd love to see them 😊

[@grease112]

awesome video! Can't wait

[@Pilvenuga]

Damnit, i really liked the Hysteria ability from Sins 1, would have loved to see and hear its effect here. Or, like the Conversion ability, is it not finished yet?

[@michaelroy7754]

Sins of the fallen and fall of kobol were the BEST mods

[@antilarge7860]

If Sins1 didn’t have mods we would have never gotten Sins2

[@joethesheep4675]

The discord battlecruiser is missing. Do we start soase2 with 1 less capitalship per faction or does it get pushed into the game before launch? Discord is the ugliest of the advent ships snd the least integral as it doesnt have lots of tactics combination with other ships (in fact i can only think about its synergy of "revenge of the fallen" -ability with the Eradicas sacrifice-ability and well, "fracture" kind of synergizes with every dmg-ability so... 🤷‍♂️). Its also the ship that wasnt in the game at release. It got powerful and interesting abilities on its own tho. Its not a bad ship by any means but i dont mind it not returning tbh.

[@khankhomrad8855]

Rebellion capital ships didn't make it into SoSE 2. Devs said they weren't happy with them and opted to take them out entirely. I read, I think it was on the official reddit, that those ships were made by a 3rd party dev and not Ironclad so they didn't have full rights to it, but I'm not sure if that bit is true or not.

[@joethesheep4675]

@@khankhomrad8855 thanks for the info

[@bluegizmo1983]

Ive seen people show the planet movements and the button that shows you where they will move in the next 1 hour, but is that one hour of real world gameplay time, or some ingame time unit that equals like 20 minutes of actual time or something?

[@FeartheKlown]

The Unity Calls!

[@haisumraza6830]

Please show me more advant. I CANT GET ENOUGH. 🔥🔥🔥"May the Unity watch over us" 🔥🔥🔥

[@dragontemplar4561]

I'm absolutely LOVING the glow up the Rapture and the Halcyon got.

[@stormlands]

wish stellaris had this type of combat.

[@Ardi.Ramadhan]

advent faction with coronata titan is not yet showcased, so the update on August 15 is not the 1.0 version update? it's only 6 days left but it feel so long.....

[@michaelroy7754]

Really hope I csn mod on epic.. I was questioning if it would get a steam release so I bought it there... not a FSN of the new radiance appearance.. it was ny favorite ship in the first game

[@rememberstayangry2366]

I wish they had replaced unyielding will on the titan. If your Titan is reduced to zero. You are already losing. I have seriously never used unyielding will or the other skill that absorbs other ships to restore the titan.

[@gamblingking9692]

TEC and Vasari overview when Montu?

[@mathangel1]

I tried sins on Epic and I don't see Advent faction, is it only the 15th? I took it was released?

[@Anthony-jo7up]

Epic gets the huge update when the game releases on Steam - August 15. At that point, both games will get the same updates at the same times.

[@terraxptan]

thanks

[@SliderFury1]

Is there not two separate Titans for each Advent faction?

[@Anthony-jo7up]

1 per each faction. So six titans in total, like in Rebellion.

[@wishiwascooler]

Wouldn't Tatooine be Space Tatooine?

[@TitoKnowsWell]

Can you provide me with the mods you are using?

[@CommanderKol]

how come they got rid of the Discord class?

[@gjohnst4339]

Why do we not have the 6th capital ships for any of the races?

[@Stukov961]

Sins 1 didn't have 6 originally either, the 6th for each race got added in an expansion. And at least to me, they always felt a bit off. The TEC and Advent ones especially didn't quite gel with the visual style for the faction. I prefer 5 that they've nailed over having a 6th kinda kludged one.

[@gjohnst4339]

@@Stukov961 kludged. Great word.

[@Stormcrow_1]

The -Gallente- Advent, "Our drones will bloat out the Sun".

[@j0k1g]

Jesus they are is gonna get nurfed. A cap ship that can shutdown orbitals (sb) for 2min with a single ability..... um..

[@antilarge7860]

Advent has been gutted like a fish compared to what it is in the first game RIP

[@Deathelement53]

Please do more. Pleaseeeee

[@kierano8390]

i have 100 hours in sins of a solar empire, ive never played vanilla, gonna be honest, i dont care about the factions lol, this was just my favourite starwars galactic conquest game xD

[@Deathelement53]

Gonna have to wait a little for a star wars mod but I'm sure by the end of the year there will be a decent enough one, for now

[@lapislazuli370]

Soon

[@MontuPlays]

@@lapislazuli370 august 15 I believe!

[@h3m1v33]

the biggest issue is, that the advent are just much worse then the TEC or Vasari. worst eco, worst unique topbar ability, worst offensive power, worst defensive power and the 2 worst titans in the game. they got decent support ships, but they suck if the dps isnt there, especially since TEC and Vasari got much better stuff in terms of support. the Ankylon is the 2nd best Titan right after the Kolturask for a very simple reason. high dps, highest armor strength and insane abilities. invulnerability ultimate and a spam ability dealing 100dmg over 5/10/15sec to everyone in 6000 range. i mean you are tanky, just fly in the middle of the enemy and use it. if you hit 100 ships you deal 150000dmg over 15 seconds. the only ship that outshines the Ankylon in that regard is the Kolturask. the leech ability not only deals 6/12/18dmg per sec to armor & hull, the duration is 24seconds and more importantly the range is 12000 (you will always want to get the items trust me). kanraks have to get into the 12000 range circle just to attack. against 100 ships which is actually so easy to do since the highest range ships have to be in your ability radius to even attack you already deal 432 armor & hull dmg so a total off 864, which is 86400 against 100 ships. usually you hit the backline as well which means you easily hit 200+ ships. yes the cd is slightly longer then the one from the Ankylon (60sec instead of 45sec), but you actually regen 3armor & hull for every ship you hit. you are basically immortal. imagine that in a multiplayer game where you can hit thousands of ships in the best case. the sky is the limit for the ankylon and the kultorask, difference is the kultorask has basically infinite regen the ankylon doesnt. on top of that the kultorasks gravity pulls with 12000 range disables all enemy ships which are under the influence off nano leech for 12 seconds. thats not an ultimate, thats a spam ability and after the 12seconds you still got 24seconds of highly reduced speed and weapon reload time. they cant run, their dmg is massively crippled and they cant get rid of your titan. but there is another thing making the vasari completly busted. the skirantra carrier. you will use ofc 1 Kolturask, 1 Jarrasul for colonization, 1 Antorak for movement speed, 8 Kortul to shred armor strength and 34 Skirantra for the best strikecraft in the game, cause they just dont die against PD with all that armor strength, but more importantly for all those nano repair clouds and especially the ultimate, cause the ultimate lets you clone cruisers and below completly ignoring the unit cap so you can print yourself 20000 army supply by simply building 1 cruiser and cloning it over and over again, while having a 48% dmg reduction against buildings if anyone is stupid enough to attack into a Vasari Alliance player. especially since their unique tech gives another +15 armor strength and +15% armor. a starbase will have 195 armor strength and 1000 durability on top of the 48% dmg reduction, so as soon as you managed to get through the shield you will meet a triple multiplicative dmg reduction. little example: 10dps at 450/600/1000 pierce against a Vasari Alliance starbase. [100:(100+1000-450/600/1000)]x0.52x100% = 8%/10,4%/52%(against shield and hull) [100:(100+1000-450/600/1000)]x[100:(100+195)]x0.52x100% = 2,7%/3,53%/17,63% (against armor) so a javelis will deal 0,36dps against the armor of a starbase for example and even the ogrov would be at 1,8dps, while the starbase has shield, armor and hull regen. if you spam 2000supply worth of javelis you have exactly 250 and even if all missiles make it and deal dmg you only deal 90dps against the armor of a Vasari Alliance starbase. and people say starbases are underpowered. 1 starbase vs 2000supply of 450pierce missile cruisers and you can even use that starbase to attack, just saying. the thing is you have to attack into it otherwise you just w8 for the Vasari to finish cloning an infinite army. the Vasari always knows where all the armys are and has by far the fastest fleet with an additional 180% speedboost when jumping to a friendly planet, so with phase gates on every planet you dont even need to go through neutral territory to defend your territory. 27% passive speed from the Antorak, 36% from the phase resonance and only 2 ressources to manage. i rlly hope they buff advent, let them flip planets with culture again and boost their culture output. srsly my TEC Enclave can hold back the culture from an Advent player spamming the culture building with the military tech for resistance/military building and my tradeposts culture. i think the culture is 0.2/tradepost and even with a mod that nerfs it to 0.1 i have 0 effort holding my friends culture back. its kinda hilarious. without culture the topbar to kill planets isnt working and with a planetary shield you are hopeless with that topbar as well. advent is sadly pretty bad right now

[@KingOfMadCows]

By Grabthar's Hammer, the Disciple has the same design as the ship from Galaxy Quest.

[@midasredblade236]

wtf man explain CORONATA

[@aecides3203]

Fun fact: Despite their language and aesthetic, the Advent have no organised religion. They're literally what happens if you create an Empire of people who are "Not, like, really religious but definitely *very* spiritual" and have some bold new ideas about faith that they're totally sure are some very interesting conclusions they've reached that thousands of years of philosophers and priests missed.

[@josealaniz1402]

:yt:

[@Akitorbenov]

Pity no battle simulati9n to conquer the planets, and boarding crew for ships and starbases.... Pity also you can't target specific systems and areas of ships and bases.

[@nicofischer8402]

Imo Advent is too OP, they should buff TEC and vasari

[@avatarwarmech]

No

[@Beyllion]

I think their advantages are balanced by the fact that their ships are less sturdy than the others (less hull and armor). Also their economy is gonna be worse

[@gmradio2436]

Please define your argument. How re they OP or how are TEC and Vasari UP?

[@Stukov961]

​@@gmradio2436they're not, that poster is just dumb.

[@gmradio2436]

@@Stukov961 I am asking for the opinion. Collecting data. Your comment is null data. Would you like to actually back it up by providing details? Why Advent is not OP or why TEC or Vasari don't need buffs.

[@tommygrnhj1736]

I tried to love this game 🙄 but its soo.. crappyshit 😢