ADVISING on the RESTORATION of the HMS BOREAS (1774)

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Kroum Batchvarov - Underwater Ship Archaeologist

8 ай бұрын

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@denisv4385 8 ай бұрын

I like your way of saying things and your frankness, while remaining diplomatic. You could make a fortune selling the fixes we should make (detail drawings) on the most popular and best-selling kits )))

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Well, I try not to offend, but this doesn’t mean I’ll pass on errors- that’s the academic in me :-). I could offer such service, yes, true.

@RonnieLoe6421 8 ай бұрын

With Olhas attention to detail and her skill , this will be a project well worth watching. I'm really eager to see the end result.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

I think so, too. It’s an interesting model the hull is well-built, but needs a lot of work to upgrade it to a museum quality

@jamesjackson-lf2lw 2 күн бұрын

Excellent presentation! Learned a lot.

@pitanpainter2140 8 ай бұрын

Saw Olha's video, looks like an interesting project.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Ought to be, yes.

@johnjohnson1709 8 ай бұрын

As someone who just sees these ships as historic and works of art, I never learned much about their construction. The knowledge that you and Olha have is amazing. Thank you for sharing your skill with us.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Well, it’s my profession to know or discover how they were built :-)

@kevinkenny5122 8 ай бұрын

I love this video. Its so nice to get this type of detail explanation of a finished models.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

How lovely to hear from you and thank you so much for watching, Kevin! It’s been ages since I last saw you!

@1BatJam 8 ай бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed your critique of the model some funny parts, that you had said about the building. Looking forward to the renovation and seeing what Ohla does to correct the problems with the model should be very educating experience watching it! Thank you for the excellent video!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words!

@1BatJam 8 ай бұрын

❤❤👍😎👍

@janvolek3040 8 ай бұрын

Really appreciate you sharing your expertise and acquired knowledge! There is much that I have already learned from you and Olha about ship construction, appearance, and development. Thank you so much!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you ever so much for the kind words! I was incredibly fortunate- I was the student of truly Great Men, Archaeologists and professors: Prof Kevin Crisman, Dr Fred Hocker, Prof Cemal Pulak, the late Prof George Bass, founder of nautical archaeology. What I know, they taught me.

@janvolek3040 8 ай бұрын

@@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist What a wonderful tribute to your mentors, professor! And thank you again from this doctoral candidate 🤓

@egoralpatov6059 8 ай бұрын

Hello! Your knowledge and experience does not need my comments. I just want to let you write that your story is very interesting, complete and instructive! Very interesting! Egor, I won’t tell you where!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you! I am glad you like it. It is obvious where you are from, but I won’t hold it against you 😉 Though as a Bulgarian, that country is hardly popular

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for the kind comments!

@cajunrandy2143 8 ай бұрын

tyvm for posting !!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching!

@finlayfraser9952 8 ай бұрын

Kroum, I understand that this refurbishment for a client. When I see the amount of work Olha puts into projects, such models must carry a significant premium. Maybe two modellers of different abilities have worked on the ship, or someone got dispirited, and just wanted to get it finished.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Interesting you should say this. The two of us were discussing it, too! It seems probable: the rig is a mess but the hull is well done.

@Pocketfarmer1 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for your analysis of that model. Lots of aspects to consider. This is the first I have heard of anchor stock whales. I would think that they added more strength to the hull for sagging than hogging. The lock mechanism would seam to work more in compression than it would in tension. The sag the whales would be countering coming from the weight of the guns perhaps. Just a thought.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Well, the aim of anchor stock wales was longitudinal strength. The sheer of ships was to compensate for the hogging and the wales were supposed to aid in this. It could be interesting exercise for an engineer to study this actually. You may well be right!

@g-kip 8 ай бұрын

full of great insights, as with all your videos thank you.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thank you very much indeed for the very kind words! I am delighted to see this comment. There are times when I wonder if anyone is actually interested and is it worthwhile continuing to make the videos. Thank you!

@timalexander4129 8 ай бұрын

Excellect bashing, Kroum. I'm glad I didn't build it. 😅

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Ouch- that bad, huh? The hull is actually good. Mostly. The upper Part of the rig needs rebuilding. Gradually we are getting the impression that two different people may have worked on the model

@timalexander4129 8 ай бұрын

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist A very fair critique Kroum. Even as a novice builder, I noticed the model's lack of rigging right off. You have a gift of explaining the good and bad, and clearly explaining why 👌

@cajunrandy2143 8 ай бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@captaincruise8796 8 ай бұрын

I think properly planning the rigging for a model is itself a process that takes years of practice, consideration, and respect for the art of sailing in the relevant time period. In fact I think a small minority of modelers ever give it enough attention. Not only must you mass produce your blocks, attach them to all the spars and points, laboriously assemble your collars and fittings, chart out thread thicknesses, and if the scale is large enough then you must serve standing lines and pendants- you must also decide your wind velocity, point of sailing, what the ship is about, and plan out every sail and running line’s behavior accordingly. Painters can do this reasonably well. With a model it takes more planning, but the result can have so much more life than a static hull strung with some naked spars and thread, however accurate in theory.

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

I quite agree with you!

@CAPNMAC82 5 ай бұрын

Having been watching the renovation side, I see what looks to be at least three "hands" of modeling, perhaps four. This comports with the number of glues used, too. THe "vintage" of this, to my eye, has the hull in the early inter-war period. Then, finished over many years after the fact. And, those subsequent modelers appear to have used ever more less-good reference materials. I'm passing convinced the spanker gaff ought be a "lateen" spar, rather than a "jawed" gaff. The 12" thick First Rate style gunports also get my attention, as Sixth Rate/Frigates really only need simple plank style ports (Yes, I know this is an acrimonious debate in the modeling world, and that I'm painting a target on myself, but there's scant room for the port rigging depicted on this model--including the impossible ones glues to the bottom of the channels--but, this is an excellent example to argue over, given that the main deck would have been the water-tight one, so sealing gun ports were gilding the lilly.)

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын

Yes, indeed. There is “archaeological” evidence for up to three different shipmodelers’ work. Generally, each layer seems to be worse than the original one. By far the worst was the rigging. Gunports- interesting topic, actually. All the ones that I have observed personally are of double planking, in order to seal the port properly. I have to check how it was on Mary Rose but I think it is doubled too.

@finlayfraser9952 8 ай бұрын

Hello again Kroum, a question. The stern galleries of galleons, and of men of war up until the end of the age of sail would seem frail, with all that exposed glass work. I know of rigging and yards being carried away in storms, but have not come across any reports of heavy following seas damaging these galleries, or indeed leading a ship to founder. Can you enlighten me?

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

I am not aware of any records of foundering due to waves breaking through the stern galleries, but I am aware of damage suffered. Usually in high seas the lights in the stern would be closed off with port lids, similar to gunports.

@davidrasch3082 4 ай бұрын

What, then, are the five improvements to kits ship modelers can make without a rebuild?

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 4 ай бұрын

This is better asked of Olya, of course. But here is my take on it in consultation with the said Olya: 1. Change the lines for custom made ones that are calculated based on contemporary sources. 2. Replace plastic gratings with pear-wood ones from after-market suppliers, if you don’t want to build them yourself 3. Blocks: replace them with higher quality ones. They too are available from small boutique manufacturers 4. If possible, replace planking with higher end wood: pear, boxwood, maybe yellow cedar, holly for the decks. They are sold in strips so you don’t need machines but… they would add to the cost, of course. 5. Possibly replace white metal cannon with brass ones. 6. Finally, do the sails properly- restitch them to scale. Ideally, build them up in accordance with contemporary sources (Steele is a good source that is easily available). For 17th c, Vasa volume 2 which was just released in November would be an excellent source

@BerlinCardYard 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for your journey through the model. Perchance it was an ungunned hull modell as it was built and it was "upgrated" into a full rigged ship? We do find this in our archives and museums. Hth, Christian

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 3 ай бұрын

You may very well be right about this! There certainly is evidence for at least two stages of construction by a minimum of two different modelers. Originally, we are both pretty sure, she wasn’t rigged for a starter. But the guns in the forecastle must have been installed before the forecastle was closed. At least, I can figure out how otherwise ithey could rigged. Also the number of cannon actually do not match her establishment. She has more than she ought to.

@larrousseyves9408 7 күн бұрын

how old is the model? where ws it built?

@savadrenovac3537 6 ай бұрын

I am looking to make a model od Santisima Trinidad, are there any books about the ship from which i can learn? Thank you in advance and for the amazing video, i really learnt a lot, i am a beginner still

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 6 ай бұрын

There is remarkably little work done on Spanish ships. By the later 18th c they were mostly following English and French practices, with decorations in their own style. There is one book on the Spanish Navy of the period, there is a book of photos of Spanish contemporary models and this pretty much is all that I am aware of.

@cajunrandy2143 8 ай бұрын

I didn't know that the clipper's deadeyes were flat !!

@kroumbatchvarov-archaeologist 8 ай бұрын

By the mid 19th century deadeyes were flat, yes. Not only for clippers but I’m general.