What Happened To Elspeth? (Moment Of Truth Preview) | March Of The Machine Prediction

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@seattlelaine
@seattlelaine Жыл бұрын
Don't forget about Serra who was a planeswalker and was also practically an angel but died way back in Homelands. I wouldn't be surprised if Elspeth is a descendant of Serra or some reincarnation. I thought it was interesting why Serra's realm was brought up as one of the places targeted by Elesh Norn in MOM since there's basically nothing left there.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Serra is brought up a lot. While connected to angels and powerful enough to create them through mana, she wasn’t one. But you’re right she kinda, basically was lol
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
Serra was human, and an old walker. In that sense, she was more like a goddess, with a flock of angels at her service. Old walkers could shapeshift at will and have whatever appearance they chose, so Serra manifested as an angel, just like the creator of the original plane that became Phyrexia lived in the form of a dragon, but wasn't actually a dragon. But being a descendant of Serra would be really cool :)
@Npaulo310
@Npaulo310 Жыл бұрын
I came here to say this... Serra has a planeswalker card. I have it in my Angels Commander deck
@guibreve1733
@guibreve1733 Жыл бұрын
​@@askani21 just to add to your argument, in the books, its said that urza "had to fight to keep his energy from dissipating" while being tortured in krrik's slow time bubble, hence they were basically just the spark, a really high energy spark with consciousness, but not a full corpse being nonetheless
@Case2_0
@Case2_0 Жыл бұрын
@@AetherHubthough it almost killed Sorin to create Avacyn and the Hellvault, so I’m not sure what the ramifications on Serra were
@FantusyFailure
@FantusyFailure Жыл бұрын
Wizards probably won't do this, but it seems possible that Elspeth could both be an angel, and be manifested as a god in Theros.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Xenagos became a god. So why not!
@Fearienify
@Fearienify Жыл бұрын
Thats too risky with how Heliod was compleated due to his followers being compleated
@jonathanmunoz3647
@jonathanmunoz3647 Жыл бұрын
I saw a theory that Gideon may come back as either the new God, or demigod. *shrug*
@brendoncoyle5905
@brendoncoyle5905 Жыл бұрын
See that’d be cool, but gods fall shockingly low on the power scaling tree in magic so it’s not nearly the power boost one would assume.
@snarkyjoe3556
@snarkyjoe3556 Жыл бұрын
@@brendoncoyle5905 Well it does increase their power based on the faith of their worshippers, but they only have that power on that plane, Xenegos would change back to his mortal form or probably couldn't leave Theros. It's like when Yawgmoth became the god of Phyrexia, he was only able to manifest in his godly form on Old Phyrexia or when it was linked to another plane by force
@snarkyjoe3556
@snarkyjoe3556 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Sylex's true purpose isn't actually as a weapon. Maybe it's purpose to grant the desire of the person imbueing it with power like a monkeys paw type wish. In a way Urza didn't want to nukr Dominaria, he was tired of fighting heartbroken over his brother's fall and afraid that he was too weak to stop phyrexia from corrupting everthing...so he just wanted it all to end and be wiped clean so it granted his desire and gave him the power to fight Yawgmoth. Elspeth's desire has always been to protect others and wants the power to shield others from Phyrexia so maybe it will give her the power she needs
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
I think this tracks. The power released is the power of the Sylex changing the weirder.
@7ItalianStallion
@7ItalianStallion Жыл бұрын
The wielder? Lol. It amazes me how so many people come up with great ideas in the comments and yet we still don't see them by wizards. Instead we just get smart characters acting stupid.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
@@7ItalianStallion Wild theories are fun, up until an author actually puts them in writing. After that, millions of fans pick it appart and find flaws and new ways to make it better. I think we'll always do this, whatever the story turns out to be loll
@7ItalianStallion
@7ItalianStallion Жыл бұрын
​@@askani21 I don't know man, I'm not some little kid that wants to see things my way. I just rather not see unintelligent writing and cheap ways of making things happen the way they want to happen. A lot of people describe a lot of holes and gaps and flaws in the writing.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
@@7ItalianStallion Oh yeah, that I agree completely. We don't want an ending à la Game of Thrones loll. I'm a lore fanatic, I really hope they work hard to make the story as good as possible, at least without contradictions or major flaws, like you say. But current writers assigned to the Stories are actually very good, so I'm hopeful. :)
@starknight2262
@starknight2262 Жыл бұрын
I just wish Mtg would just make an animated series or a animated movie already instead of articles or books/novels or comic books. I wouldn't want to see a live action movie or t.v show because i don't think it would be done right or look good in my opinion. Besides who would they get to play the part of the characters in a live action movie or T.v show that can make look believable as the Mtg characters ? No in my opinion an anime is the way to go just like how League of Legends had done with Arcane which was a humongous success for them. We been asking for this for years so come on Wizards give us what we want already.
@placeholdername3818
@placeholdername3818 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd love a animated series that started around the time when Jace started on his interplanar adventures. Then slowly caught up with the current story. Maybe not focused around him but have it start during the Pre-Gate Watch era but post-mending.
@mangooffire32
@mangooffire32 Жыл бұрын
Dude for real I'd love an animated series or a set of animated movies
@coopervaughter1440
@coopervaughter1440 Жыл бұрын
Same if they put the same effort in a series as the trailers they would do great.
@hrodvithit
@hrodvithit Жыл бұрын
I think there's a huge difference in the amount of money riot and hasbro are willing to chuck at such a venture. Arcane had a budget of a few hundred million... I can't see mtg getting the same.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
I would hope for this (there is still a small chance of it being developed) but I’m skeptical they can pull it off.
@dmarmartin
@dmarmartin Жыл бұрын
I think it'd be cool if she becomes a premending Planeswalker, a multiversal being and the final form of the god pharaoh spell. A little more wishful thinking, Ral Zerick and Ashiok using Elesh Norn's fear to create a cure for glistening oil and as a borderless card
@KRaymondHiggens
@KRaymondHiggens Жыл бұрын
I have watched this video and loved it, My Personal thoughts towards Elspeth being an Angle I think its totally possible. The Idea of The Sylex Blast awakening her angelic powers makes sense to me. When Urza used it his Spark Ignited, with Elspeth already being a plainswalker it is possible that she could be reconstructed in the blast as an angle. Personally I have always thought of Elspeth as an Angle without wings (Elspeth the Resplendent) and it would be a great way to bolster the Gate watch forces with an unique Plainswalking angle.
@dragonsigner
@dragonsigner Жыл бұрын
I think I remember a few of her Planeswalker cards having effects that have the keywords flying..on those cards either helps flyer's or gives flying.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Elspeth has always had angelic-like powers of light. She can give people angel wings made of light, and protect them in an aura of light, etc. Her light powers were always angel-themed!
@joeygallagher6305
@joeygallagher6305 Жыл бұрын
Yes and I also think that was in connection to band on a Laura which actually threw the Ameshia when a human died on Bandt they also had the capacity to return as an angel there is a card in the sack where a human night I believe can return to the battlefield as an angel i thought
@joeygallagher6305
@joeygallagher6305 Жыл бұрын
Hope she could return to Bant one day because if she’s an angel, she then could take the Empty throne of Asha!!!! Asha was Bant's guardian angel.[3] Before she died, she ruled the Cathedral of Bliss, a position that has remained vacant ever since. Her legacy includes the Prayer of Asha, the Sword of Asha, and the Sigil of the Empty Throne.[3]
@ChristopherG1990
@ChristopherG1990 Жыл бұрын
Elspeth will always hold a special place in my heart. I got into magic when I was in middle school but stopped playing in high school. It wasn’t until college that I started playing and the very first booster pack I bought was scars of Mirrodin and what do you know, Elspeth Tirel. I didn’t even know what a planeswalker card type was lol. But yeah, I’ve had the nagging feeling that there was more to her than other planeswalkers. The whole Ob Nixilis breaking the demons can’t be planeswalker rule comes into play here. Hell, they even put Ob Nixilis in the same set where we see Elsepth return home, a blatant foreshadow in plain sight. That villain role could’ve been taken up by anyone else (Hello, Calix?) but they chose Ob.
@Busker_3000
@Busker_3000 Жыл бұрын
From what I remember Angles aren't just made of mana but they are born from the prayers of the people of that land. I remember that because the sad story's of one was that she was born late, the towns prayers were answered too late, the town was gone and the angel was left purposeless.
@psy_p
@psy_p Жыл бұрын
That is just a Dominaria thing.
@BlackisNOTaskincolor
@BlackisNOTaskincolor Жыл бұрын
Yeah but that's the problem, MTG's been stubbornly clinging to that old lore and I'm stuck with these boring ass edgelord planeswalkers.
@cyfriss
@cyfriss Жыл бұрын
As per usual amazing edit, transitions and commentary with some great story telling
@临高
@临高 Жыл бұрын
I don't really know where is this "angel can't planeswalking" theory come from? we have dragon planeswalker, we have dog planeswalker, we have demon, human, elf, vampire planeswalker, angel maybe never appear as an planeswalker before, but how does that eliminate the possibility of them being able to planeswalk?
@atingley0913
@atingley0913 Жыл бұрын
Given Elspeth's writing focusing so heavy on overcoming defeat. I think they'll give her another tragedy choice. She COULD become an angel, but that would take her out of the fight, so she has to choose between a destiny personal to her or rejoin the fight. That's why we see the feathers falling and her exiting with no wings
@placeholdername3818
@placeholdername3818 Жыл бұрын
Am I wrong in thinking that even if it destroyed a few planes along with it. More lives will be lost by not destroying those planes? I know the ends rarely justify the means, but in this case I feel like if we're worried about a high death count keeping the phyrexians a little longer only does more damage in the long run.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
No I agree with you.
@agentrexx
@agentrexx Жыл бұрын
they also mentioned in the story that the blast could go off in the blind eternities and they have no idea what that would do to the multiverse, plus the reality of that situation is always the hero's folly, no one can ever make that decision the sacrifice for the greater good. its the trolly conundrum all over again. No one can ever really make that choice to sacrifice even 1 life for the 'greater good'
@zachbattles9762
@zachbattles9762 Жыл бұрын
While I think a link to Serra would be the most likely angelic tie for Elspeth, it's not the only possibility. Elspeth could have a connection with Asha: the Alaran being who created the angels of Bant and left the Sigil of the Empty Throne to guard the place in her absence. We don't know much about Asha other than her dying to banish Malfegor. But Serra seems a more likely connection as she is a confirmed planeswalker.
@PracticalEminence
@PracticalEminence Жыл бұрын
I hope we get an angel version of her that can be your commander! 😭😭😭 I think the collector booster box was edited to leave out the wings… I hope 🤞🏽
@dawnfallon6812
@dawnfallon6812 Жыл бұрын
As someone who collects the angels of MTG, I have been waiting for an Angel Planeswalker for years. So here is my reaction to your video.... It's About Time.
@generaldysentery7428
@generaldysentery7428 Жыл бұрын
So with all the planeswalkers being compleated, or regrouping to fights the phyrexian invasion, I can see how this could be overlooked. The thing with all that is happening is making me think, where is Ashiok. Last we saw her she was manipulating Elesh Norn to see her nightmares. I just wonder what she is up to with this going on, especially since she is the only one who knows Elesh Norn is scared of Elspeth.
@mikotagayuna8494
@mikotagayuna8494 Жыл бұрын
So many great ideas in this video along with those in the comments section...so naturally that means Wizards won't do any of them and will likely stick to some MCU level trope instead.
@special_lil_guy
@special_lil_guy Жыл бұрын
I’ve always liked Elspeth. It wouldn’t surprise me if she becomes an Angel but even if that doesn’t happen, she’s still angelic, for all the good she does for the meek.
@gothicsuperhero
@gothicsuperhero Жыл бұрын
This needs to happen, as it is right now the good side is way under powered and they will keep losing power with each being that is completed. So they need the power boost.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think it will honestly
@gothicsuperhero
@gothicsuperhero Жыл бұрын
@@AetherHub I think there needs to be few extremely powerful individuals that can mow down hundreds of phyrexians as opposed to huge armies that are only going to end up as more fuel for the phyrexian War Machine. That how I think the good side wins this.
@VeneratedSon
@VeneratedSon Жыл бұрын
Sunblast Angel vibes 🤘🏻☀️
@Charels89
@Charels89 Жыл бұрын
Didn't they say big change were coming for planeswalker in March of the machines? Plus the way Elesh Norn is frame in the art work March, speculations goes as she might become a planeswalker.
@Hundo_Mo
@Hundo_Mo Жыл бұрын
A friend of mine had a fun theory. Elspeth ascends to her angel status and is going to be a warden of the blind eternities going forward. Anything coming and going through that realm will be under her watch. Somewhat like Hiemdall.
@AsylumEscapade
@AsylumEscapade Жыл бұрын
I love that theory.
@ismene6546
@ismene6546 Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Sailor Pluto from Sailor Moon 🌙
@thereddevils091
@thereddevils091 Жыл бұрын
Although new capenna won the war, aren't they isolated to that city? With the rest of the plane left in ruin. That could be where elspeth is from, somewhere on that plane decimated by the phyrexians
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Yeah she’s from one of the lost cities. But it’s not specifically stated that New Capenna is the FINAL spot of life there.
@umayle07
@umayle07 Жыл бұрын
I hope they reveal elspeth to be Tupac and she lays a sick rhyme on elesh that unravels the space time continuum and emrakul hears it, comes out of the moon, and rips elesh a new one with Excalibur from naruto
@Duneadah
@Duneadah Жыл бұрын
Can I point out, your play list (not sure if thats controlled by youtube) videos are a bit all over the place and some vids at the end of the playlist should probably be earlier. (it could be me not understanding how playlists work xD)
@hithere3684
@hithere3684 Жыл бұрын
Great VIDEO BROTHER!!!! I must say, I fear Elspeth it seems there is something she either doesn’t know or does know which is going to be the Turing point in this progress to Perfection. Ashiok knows how important Elspeth and that’s another mystery
@codysing1223
@codysing1223 Жыл бұрын
Jace being stabbed by her with her "holy sword" has to be a plot point.
@chewiecheshire7973
@chewiecheshire7973 Жыл бұрын
My head canon, based on the fact that Giada appeared to be a normal girl and that it is stated that no new angels were "created" on New Capenna, is that angels in New Capenna might work similar to planeswalkers. They are normal humans with the potential to become angels but it is only through certain acts, like Giada sacrificing herself, that they can fully ascend. It could also explain why Elspeth and other Capennans were kept prisoner instead of just being compleated. They couldn't be compleated because Capenna angels have an immunity to Compleation.
@brotquel1592
@brotquel1592 Жыл бұрын
I think a better parallel to Elspeth, as absurd as it may sounds, may be Tibalt: -human being -lives his life in an extremely cruel and perverted way, surrounded by devils -facing death, his spark awakens -he shifts from human to devil Maybe Elspeth would undergo a similar metamorphosis.
@lostddp2649
@lostddp2649 Жыл бұрын
On this note We only have so much information on the former home of Dominaria’s angels. What if old Phyrexia already wrecked that pocket dimension before being eradicated? This could leave artifacts for both sides to find.
@zeropoint2594
@zeropoint2594 Жыл бұрын
There is another thing that supports the theory that she is in fact an angel: in the Mirrodin Story Elspeth, Koth and (I believe) Venser where fighting phyrexians and around Elspeth there where so many slayen enemies that Elspeth dissapeared behind that giant pile of bodies no one else where killing so many phyrexians and well halo, the stuff the angels of new capenna are made of is highly toxic to phyrexians so maybe those phyrexians didn´t die because of Elspeth´s fury but simply because touching her was hurting them or at least weakened them Also there are enough non-mortal Planeswalker running around that it wouldn´t be surprising if she was an angel, and in new capenna she was fighting against Ob Nixilis of all possible Planeswalker and he is a demon so it would fit to make her an angel to counter the demon Planeswalker
@DrLeckon
@DrLeckon Жыл бұрын
I doubt it but it would be cool if they gave her and maybe some phyrexians, legends, and other Planeswalkers meld cards as it feels like they're trying to focus on all the cool designs of mtg history, but I doubt it since brothers war was a few months ago. Still would be cool to think of and maybe it would be a cool way to reveal new planeswalker sparks.
@raydelmartinez2905
@raydelmartinez2905 Жыл бұрын
Elspeth goes into the meditation realm where she talks to Bolas and he tells her what she must do 😆.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Spoiler. Bolas is a dragon god angel
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
Bolas's big reveal: "I have always been an angel in disguise, and all I did was for the greater good. Now liberate me, my child, so that I may save the multiverse once more." Elspeth, full of hope, frees Bolas. Bolas: "I can't believe you fell for this! Hahaha stupid humans! Hahaha So long, fools!" Bolas: *Disappears* Elspeth: *Sigh*
@Fearienify
@Fearienify Жыл бұрын
Talks to who? Sorry that name doesnt exist anymore
@raydelmartinez2905
@raydelmartinez2905 Жыл бұрын
@@askani21 Elspeth: Mmmm ... Oh well ... I guess Emrakul is next, might as well since we all gonna die anyways.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
@@raydelmartinez2905 "After having watched Emrakul devour Innistrad, Elspeth started to wonder if Emrakul had also lied to her. So she planeswalked to Dominaria, and smashed a big old iceberg, shouting: 'Marit Lage! You are free! Please help us against the Phyrex..' And Marit Lage went on a rampage of destruction that laid waste to Dominaria." ... Elspeth: "Ummm... Seems I was wrong about that one too... Who should I try next?"
@GamerX13X
@GamerX13X Жыл бұрын
After making a choice to sabotage the entire reason you went to Phyrexia, she is now making a choice to help fix the mess she let happen. Like the responsible zombie adult she is
@TKTigerkat
@TKTigerkat Жыл бұрын
Based on her side story in BRO, Tezzeret's BRO story, and the fact she did not kill Ajani, it's pretty foreshadowed she will save him, if not other compleated planeswalkers. Otherwise I don't see why she would just knock him out.
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Although she did stab Jace without knowing if he would live lol
@TKTigerkat
@TKTigerkat Жыл бұрын
@@AetherHub i would certainly see that as an act of desperation given the situation. I can also see Jace having some part of his consciousness intact due to the halo in her sword. So he would be compleated still, but perhaps able to overcome with enough will at a pivotal moment. We did see hmm react to halo when he was first exposed to it in ONE and, given how the scope of his power was described, he could do a ton of damage being connected to the whole of phyrexia's consciousness. As her story has been loss after loss, I can see it coming full circle with Elspeth taking back her friends and her life from the forces that tortured her and took so much from her.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
She might "save" Ajani in the sense that she could free him from Phyrexia in death, allowing him to truly die and to free his spirit. Like curing his soul in death, letting it escape and fly free into some afterlife. That would be sad but beautiful. I just hope nobody gets "uncompleated". For 9000 years nobody ever escaped Phyrexia once compleated. It would break an absolute rule, like curing poison counters. But we know Phyrexians can be defective, like Xantcha or the new mite legend. So, we could get a defective Jace, for example, with still a tiny bit of free will, or some moments of lucidity, just enough to help the heroes a tiny hit without actually being cured.
@TKTigerkat
@TKTigerkat Жыл бұрын
@@askani21 so really no dofferent from anyone freed? Na I don't think so. Given the scope and scale of the story, the only way Phyrexia could actually be beaten back is for a cure. Additionally people have been cured when fully compleated. Look at Karn for that.
@djbubba724
@djbubba724 Жыл бұрын
@@askani21 I've been thinking that the planeswalkers may actually be more likely to be saved because of why they weren't able to be completed previously of a spark is part of the soul though now retain their spark and most likely soul so they may have semblance of themselves that could restore them mentally but not physically
@arkanixarcmage
@arkanixarcmage Жыл бұрын
She could have ended up in Zalfinur? *Where Teferi is. Or the meditation realm next to Bolas. That would be a scary bench to sit on. She could be a descendent of Serra or reawaken as powerful as the old planeswalkers were. We will have to stay tuned.! Arcmage
@wowomah6194
@wowomah6194 Жыл бұрын
As someone who is a big fan of Angel tribals and Aven/Bird people tribals, I would LOVE to see some more of them in March of the Machines seeing as Avens like Kangee, Sky Warden, long since dead, defeated MANY Phyrexians in their first invasion with ease and skill. I think maybe he could be resurrected? Or some new Aven could be a legendary character creature card? I think as far as Elspeth, she'll have to make an appearance as either a Planeswalker card or at least a Legendary creature card I hope...and of course she'd have to be an angel I think, there's no other way to put it. That teaser card with the very clear white feathers falling...couldn't be more obvious. That said, maybe her card could be something cool as fuck like "Elspeth, Serra-Incarnate" right? I'd probably pee my pants in nerd fever LOL. And maybe a really cool eagle style Aven Wizard called like "insert name, Scion/Heir of Kangee" and have these big bad ass wings and spells flying out of their talons. I mean this is all just me and I doubt we'll see any Avens...but the Elspeth things I'm pretty sure about except for maybe the cool name I came up with haha. Also, let's be real WotC just pulled a Dragon Ball Z where Elspeth is in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and then comes out with some new knowledge or skills to save the day haha
@zagumemes
@zagumemes Жыл бұрын
Didn't we just see her in the box of collector boosters on MOM? She does seem more like a kami on neo kamiwaga more than just an angel
@BrandonsUsername
@BrandonsUsername Жыл бұрын
I hope she gets made into a good planeswalker. My mono-white angle control commander deck needs a revamp
@aarondeleon82
@aarondeleon82 Жыл бұрын
All those hedrons around Norn in the March of the Machines makes me think Emrakul might have something to say about all this.
@MiaSkylar
@MiaSkylar Жыл бұрын
I think the sylex explosion turned her into an old almighty planeswalker, like urza, and she will fumigate with halo all phyrexians
@roxas8685
@roxas8685 Жыл бұрын
So my head canon is is that like with urza and the might/weak stones becoming part of him she will come out of this being mixed with the glistening black oil from Jace and the halo from her sword and be come a sort of reverse phyrexian able to speed halo like they spred the oil
@mack-h-2019
@mack-h-2019 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos!
@garrettsmith4034
@garrettsmith4034 Жыл бұрын
What if Serra realm was her true home. Capenna was her "foster" home. What if she basically planes/time walked into the future as her spark activated?
@odrikronnin-gamer6579
@odrikronnin-gamer6579 Жыл бұрын
Plz let it be a duo of her and Bolas. I'm sooooo hyped.
@keikialanifrazee8892
@keikialanifrazee8892 Жыл бұрын
I’ll play devils advocate- they talked about the Eldrazi’s origins before. They showed statues of them, and one was an Angel like appearance, before they turned into what we see the 3 main big eldrazi titans. So, what IF, Elspeth gains that power, Angel upgrades up, but still unable to stop the Phyrixians, gains to much power with help from other planeswalkers, & gets corrupted in the process to gain more power to beat the phyerixians with Tefiri, and loses partial humanity from it going back into time. To that world that they devastate after they turn into eldrazi. Fan theory of course, and it’ll never happen. Cuz Wizards tend to leave lots of loose ends until they feel it’s time to create more stories. 😅🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️….
@jakobirobi2359
@jakobirobi2359 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was interesting that the Atraxa reprint in March of the Machines, in the "Masterpiece" slot, has her depicted in the New Capenna showcase art style. Meaning Atraxa will be going to, or is already on, New Capenna in the March of the Machine storyline. Since Atraxa is a Phyrexian Angel, maybe she's going there to compleat the Angels on the plane? Maybe there'll be a showdown between Elspeth and Atraxa on New Capenna, with Elspeth showing up to defend the angels?!?
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
It was already explained in the story. Norn has sent Ataraxa to Capenna because of their anti-Phyrexian weapon, Halo. So the goal is to destroy Halo production and make sure it isn't used against them.
@jamescampbell2353
@jamescampbell2353 Жыл бұрын
@@askani21I really hope Ob Nixilus pulls the same strangely anti-hero acts he did in War of the Spark: Tearing apart the greater foe. Given his quotes from doom blade, I think he especially would love the opportunity to add an angel to his list of conquests
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
@@jamescampbell2353 Haha would be awesome. And don't forget Liliana has a legendary hatred for angels lollll... Maybe a duo Ob Nixilis / Liliana against Norn's angels? :)
@crowdaddy5179
@crowdaddy5179 Жыл бұрын
I’m willing to guess she gets a mad buff like Elspeth is a menace now cuz she was foretold to be elesh norn’s worst nightmare Or she comes back with help aka Urza I’d almost like to see Nicole bolus and ugin have to face the phyrexians but I don’t wanna risk them getting completed
@robertmuggeridge4736
@robertmuggeridge4736 Жыл бұрын
Something I feel is being overlooked is the possibility that Elspeth may not be a full angel, could she be a half angel? Could she have mixed parentage? I don't know if angels can have children with mortals in MTG but if new Capenas angels are more human than most perhaps they can have kids with humans. This would explain her mortal planeswalker spark while also having angelic gifts?
@Monkey0Bone
@Monkey0Bone Жыл бұрын
Of we’re breaking Rules (and also as you mentioned we have a demon planeswalker) can we just have an Angel planeswalker just because 🤣 I would really love that for my collection, commander deck and Elspeth really does deserve it lol
@PetrusCaex
@PetrusCaex Жыл бұрын
I think Elspeth is kinda half-human, half-angel and that was what made the phyrexians want to do experiments on her, but they couldn't predict she would even be born with a spark. And then comes the Sylex: it will not only awaken her angel essence but also empower her for a brief time. Why a brief time? After the Mending the godlike powers of planeswalkers faded away. I don't believe modern sparks can withstand that power anymore without something really drastic - such as The Elderspell OR a blast of the Sylex. And if Elspeth is to survive this fight it wouldn't be really interesting for the story team to have an all-powerful planeswalker hanging around...
@Neal_Trevena
@Neal_Trevena Жыл бұрын
Didn't it get proven during new capenna that elspeth was a new angel born of that plane?
@ismene6546
@ismene6546 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I think she might be a human/ angel and she will realize her true purpose and potential soon.
@gozolve
@gozolve Жыл бұрын
Jace said he wasn’t even sure it would hurt the planes when it goes off. Every death and completion because of the invasion is at Elsbeth’s feet. The true hero of the phyrexians
@TheAgainster
@TheAgainster Жыл бұрын
And Kaya and ninja doofus
@MrCadaaa
@MrCadaaa Жыл бұрын
A Planeswalker Angel who sounds like the equivalent of Gisela who hates Phyrexians? Sign me the heaven up!
@Gary77643
@Gary77643 Жыл бұрын
What about Serra wasn't she a planeswalker and an angel?
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Common misconception. She was just a human who CREATED angels.
@Gary77643
@Gary77643 Жыл бұрын
​@Aether Hub thank you for clarifying
@solidstate33g16
@solidstate33g16 Жыл бұрын
akroma or serra???... with her memory altered or suppresed somehow???...
@agentrexx
@agentrexx Жыл бұрын
wait when was that rule created that only mortals could be planeswalkers I am a vorthos player and i have never heard of that lol, was serra a human before becoming an angel? what abotu wrenn and seven? nicol bolas and ugin arent mortal either.
@psy_p
@psy_p Жыл бұрын
Serra was never an angel, she was a human old walker. There is nothing said about mortals, it is about natural beings. Only natural beings can be born with a spark. Angels, demons and elementals are manifestations of mana that are just spawned, not born.
@williammorales3362
@williammorales3362 Жыл бұрын
what I heard was that basically instead of sacrificing a couple of planes for the greater good they selfishly ruined the sylax explosion and gambled the future of the multiverse completely.
@zezashetan
@zezashetan Жыл бұрын
I think the true heroes of the story will be the Eldrazi. It will be found out that the Eldrazi weren't actually destroying planes, but hunting Phyrexian Oil to destroy it. This is why Emrakul panicked and locked herself away when she realized she was hurting innocents. When the Phyrexians get to Innistrad, Emrakul will release herself after sensing the Phyrexian oil.
@StefSubZero270
@StefSubZero270 Жыл бұрын
I mean at this point you need some kind of Deus ex machine to defeat Phyrexia, and there's no bigger one than Emrakul
@saimaidar9417
@saimaidar9417 Жыл бұрын
A lot of people seem to either forget or not bother to mention that Ob-Nixlis was originally a human planewalker who was transformed into a demon by the Chain Veil and has been seeking a cure for his current condition ever since.
@hellothere-us7iw
@hellothere-us7iw Жыл бұрын
Because they want bolas to return not Elspeth.
@coltonmitchell4998
@coltonmitchell4998 Жыл бұрын
Is Elspeth going to recieve premending power?
@Qaicudbebdkdiwj
@Qaicudbebdkdiwj Жыл бұрын
I figured the feathers on Moment of Truth were a dead giveaway that she’s an Angel 🤷🏻‍♂️
@kaylinphelps7390
@kaylinphelps7390 Жыл бұрын
Just saying...... we've seen a specific angel on and off on different occasions. What if elspeth is the true and real emeria? And all the others only were emeria in namesake?
@kaylinphelps7390
@kaylinphelps7390 Жыл бұрын
Or atleast related to akroma
@auroram8511
@auroram8511 Жыл бұрын
Why not both scenarios? She could end up in a pocket plain, where she considers her fate - to rest, or to return and fight.... and much like Gandalf and urza returns with new angelic powers - cause that's what she really is... a New Cappana Angel.
@HeyApples
@HeyApples Жыл бұрын
If the Cylix was truly a world destroying, realm-destroying nuke, why did they need to travel to the heart of Phyrexia in the first place? They could have just entered anywhere, dropped the bomb anywhere, and left at any point. It's such a glaring hole that it undermines a pretty serviceable storyline.
@pugchi5352
@pugchi5352 Жыл бұрын
Interesting where do I start in watching mtg lore
@Devilish420
@Devilish420 Жыл бұрын
Here's my Theory on Elspeth... her birth was a result of a Human and Angel having "relations" and she is a Angel/Human hybrid but before she could realize it, the phyrexians destroyed her homeworld where the truth of her true nature resided, so for all this time it was believed by all, even us that she was just a mortal that got her spark as a normal mortal would, but the Sylex actually brought her back in time and to her home plane where she discovered the truth and her true nature and form have finally been realized, and from there Teferi with his time traveling shenanigans manages to find Elspeth and they return to the present and with her newfound powers that are possibly at premending levels, has the ability to cure everyone, including the other walkers of completion and Elesh Norn's nightmares of Elspeth that Ashiok instilled come to fruition, and Elesh Norn knew all along what elspeth really was via the nightmares hence why she was so afraid of her.
@MrSkabrus
@MrSkabrus Жыл бұрын
Spoilers but looking for pictures about the New expansion elspeth has a new armor and sword perhaps she will defeat norn as she fears?
@elihall6480
@elihall6480 Жыл бұрын
looks like she possibly died and is leaving the theros underworld with the stars and pillar of light but it seems weird it would happened
@kharnthebetrayer1575
@kharnthebetrayer1575 Жыл бұрын
What IF ….. the angels from New capenna are human / Angel hybrids . I’ve seen odder creature combinations in MTG …. But you get the ability to possibly get a PW and the power of a angel in one package.
@nathanspencer6140
@nathanspencer6140 Жыл бұрын
Perhaps Elspeth is half of the angel that was converted into Atraxa. She has no memory because she is essentially a new person created to shield herself from the torture of the Praetors.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
My guess: The Sylex is not a bomb, but a tool to release one's ultimate potential, like Guru in DBZ! Elspeth will return transformed, as a pre-Mending walker like Urza was, and assume the form of an angel, since old walkers appeared in whatever form they chose. But she will be WHITE-BLUE! Don't forget who activated the Sylex: Jace! And the card preview is blue, so it's a hint! Elspeth will return tainted by blue mana because of her new understanding of the Blind Eternities. In the Sylex Blast, she pierced through the Eternities and fell off the multiverse, and into the "Universes Beyond"... Elspeth has met with Gandalf, Optimus Prime, and prayed to the God-Emperor of the Imperium of Man himself. She now has the Infinity Gauntlet, and wears Batman's mask. As she fights Elesh Norn, she gets infected and is compleated. She becomes the Grand-Mother of Machines, and leads Phyrexia in the conquest of the Omniverse. Next summer we get a bunch of blockbuster movies of Marvel, DC, Transformers, the TNMT, LOTR, and 40k against Phyrexia. Deadpool and She-Hulk get compleated, allowing the Phyrexians to now shatter the fourth wall. During the movies at the theater Jin-Gitaxias can now see us, watching the movies. He slices through the IMAX screens and slaughters us all! Hordes of Phyrexians poor through the screens and invade our planet, exterminate humanity, therefore solving climate change!!!!! Elspeth lands on top of the Eiffel Tower, laughing. She transforms back into her real form: Nicol Bolas! Bolas: "Finally! My master plan worked! Hahahahaha"
@psy_p
@psy_p Жыл бұрын
It is Imperium of Men, not empire.
@askani21
@askani21 Жыл бұрын
@@psy_p Ooooo I must be tainted by Chaos. My heresy is unforgivable. I will set myself on fire. (Explosion sound) (Screams) ... (Silence)
@NateTmi
@NateTmi Жыл бұрын
even better. They should make her both. Given the power to turn into an angel & back again.
@basedmatt3459
@basedmatt3459 Жыл бұрын
Here’s my theory. She will get a flip card. front side she will be a creature angel. She had lost her spark due to cylex blast and has unlocked angel powers / a new power this being only a creature. the flip or backside is elspeth reignited. Angel elspeth with a newfound or her spark back. my idea for this is that she is in whatever realm she is as angel but is given a choice to leave or decides to leave the realm this somehow reigniting her spark
@Kozi15
@Kozi15 Жыл бұрын
I think Elspeth really is an Angel. Now we need to turn her into Kool Aid just like her family from New Capenna to battle the Phyrexians.😁 On the speculation note, everyone thinks Emrakul will be the one to end Norn, I too believe it but somehow something telling me that Gideon will be back to save the day like Gandalf did in the Battle of Helm's Deep. Shinning in blinding white color.
@bryanlim9817
@bryanlim9817 Жыл бұрын
Turns out... you are right about Elspeth being an angel.
@collanlucier698
@collanlucier698 Жыл бұрын
- Gideon becomes a god of Thermos (Borrowed theory) - Elspeth has a divine spark, elesh norn knows/suspects - compleat planeswalkers are compleat, no coming back (really hope for this one)
@GoodHydration
@GoodHydration Жыл бұрын
I figure she is either a low key demigod, mixed with the bloodline of Serra's, or maybe Giada left her one last gift.
@CalamitousReign
@CalamitousReign Жыл бұрын
If wizards does do this, Imma try to name her new card. Elspeth, Arisen from Sylex
@unbreakablelag
@unbreakablelag Жыл бұрын
I thought she got sent to the meditation realm. The feathers are Ugin’s.
@justsomeguy28
@justsomeguy28 Жыл бұрын
As to people thinking that an angel planeswalker couldn't exist because the spark only manifests in mortal creatures: Bolas, Ugin and Karn would like to have a word with them
@garrettsmith4034
@garrettsmith4034 Жыл бұрын
Shes literally in The Beyond from Marvel.
@Zoeila
@Zoeila Жыл бұрын
wasn't Serra an Angel with similar abilities? i just see this as poetic symmetry
@gameinsane4718
@gameinsane4718 Жыл бұрын
I think she was just a pre-mending walker who shapeshifted to look like an angel
@zvinomnomnom157
@zvinomnomnom157 Жыл бұрын
It could be that Elspeth is an Angel and will fight Atraxa, the Phyrexian angel in the future.
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton Жыл бұрын
i'd like to think, after listening to this theorycrafing, that Elspeth is an angel who figured out how to planeswalk. Heliod knew her future probably why he attempted to kill her knowing he would serve the phyrexians and Elspeth be an enemy. The sylex, if anything would fully awaken her angelic powers.
@TheAgainster
@TheAgainster Жыл бұрын
No. Heliod tried to kill her because he knew she'd help the phyrexians in such huge ways as protecting them from jace's righteous actions
@coltenosborne9156
@coltenosborne9156 Жыл бұрын
Serra the benevolent?
@criminallezbian9294
@criminallezbian9294 Жыл бұрын
My dude, I've been watching your vids some years now and am always flinching a bit, when you talk about something 'ethereal'. I figured, someone would have told you by now, but apparently not. The word is ethEreal, not ethreal, you seem to always be forgetting the second 'e' in this word. Since your channel even is named after aether, which is comes from the same etymological family, I thought it might be interesting for you. Anyways thx for the video and your work in general.
@tommygibson9515
@tommygibson9515 Жыл бұрын
She's my favorite plains walker
@tychobrandsma2929
@tychobrandsma2929 Жыл бұрын
I see feathers, is Elspeth getting wings🤔
@nunyabeeswax4588
@nunyabeeswax4588 Жыл бұрын
Ya Elspeth is our new big goodie. Im excited to see how it develops
@AetherHub
@AetherHub Жыл бұрын
Same I’m excited to see her shine.
@nunyabeeswax4588
@nunyabeeswax4588 Жыл бұрын
@@AetherHub Easily my favorite planeswalker. Loved what happened last time we visited Theros, and it just feels that her return should bring fear to the Phyrexians. But Im a fan boy :D
@TheAgainster
@TheAgainster Жыл бұрын
She's literally the biggest bad guy in the entire story. She single handedly let's the phyrexians win and gets rid of their only destructive counter
@baconbits3731
@baconbits3731 Жыл бұрын
Maybe we get a new creature called Elspeth’s Angel
@palinkay
@palinkay Жыл бұрын
we also have a vampire planeswalker
@shaunmcisaac782
@shaunmcisaac782 Жыл бұрын
Your analysis of "Why is Elspeth stopping Jace" needs more attention It's a plot hole the size of Ravnica
@psy_p
@psy_p Жыл бұрын
That can be extended to "why anyone would want to stop Jace?" The sylex provably cannot destroy an entire natural plane, that whole thing came out of nowhere.
@Case2_0
@Case2_0 Жыл бұрын
Crap, I’m not getting the notifications anymore
@lenajohnson6179
@lenajohnson6179 Жыл бұрын
Has everyone just forgotten the specifics of why this is possible? They've explained this? Angels typically can't become planeswalkers because they were 'constructed' beings and the spark required a naturalborn being (something they've since flagrantly flouted with the dumb enchantment planeswalker but... one problem at a time please) The angels on Capenna are DIFFERENT from angels on other planes. Capenna was a plane that BELONGED to angels before it was stolen from them while they were weakened after saving everyone's ass from the Phyrexians. In other words angels were NATURALBORN on Capenna, thus, sparkable... it's really not that difficult to understand.
@ChannelFredo
@ChannelFredo Жыл бұрын
I hope they don't get lazy and just make a version of Elspeth with protection from Phyrexian.
@andrewtipton2162
@andrewtipton2162 Жыл бұрын
If we can have a sentient Hive mind insect swarm (graz'zt the hunger tide) be a Planeswalker, I got no problem with an angel being a planeswalker
@magiccardsgames9435
@magiccardsgames9435 Жыл бұрын
I think Elspeth card will be a flip card angel creature to planeswalker
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