All i need is 9 speed sora on my gravelbike. Rear derailleur is a mtb 9 speed alivio to fit a 11- 40 cassette in the back. Everything is affordable if you stay with 9 speed and also easy to adjust.
@rizkiyoist7 ай бұрын
I almost wanted a Tiagra until I remember 9 speed Shimano have the same cable pull mtb & road, so a combination of road lever and mtb rear mech is gonna be better for a climbing machine.
@johndef50759 ай бұрын
Im still riding 8 speed Sora. I love the Campy style thumbshifters.
@king1203M9 ай бұрын
Me too. 10 usd for a casette😂
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Taking me back to memories of learning to ride lol
@germanhugger41Ай бұрын
Shimano lost me as a customer when they stopped production of rim brake mechanical ultegra and 105.
@delboy8689 ай бұрын
I built a flat bar bike with a steel genesis frame and forks it has rim brakes and a mix and match of Shimano 105 and tiagra 4700 parts, the tiagra 10speed flat bar shifters are really smooth and work fine with the 105 mechs overall this bike is simplicity and I give the tiagra 4700 a big thumbs up
@DrFlashburn9 ай бұрын
I just bought a brand new road bike from Polygon with full shimano 105 (except chain) for $800. Yes it has rim brakes and I like the rim brakes better than any mechanical disc brakes I've ridden and better than some hydraulic disc brakes.
@tmayberry75599 ай бұрын
Simplicity of rim brakes
@yamint9 ай бұрын
Polygon will give you more bangs for your bucks compared to other european bikes manufacturer , it is the best bike manufacturer in my country.
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Yeah Polygon really does give you incredible value for money. The only thing that I seem to have a problem with them is most of their bikes don’t seem to fit me. When ever I enter my measurements I basically get results back saying “sorry we have nothing for you” lol which sucks because I would love to road test one. I really love what they’re doing with their lines right now.
@yamint9 ай бұрын
@@dobbscycleworks what? No available size for you? You should use the size chart instead of entering your measurement on the website, polygon website might not work properly , that is one of the things i do not like about bike manufacturers in my country, they do not maintain their website properly.
@fernandod28659 ай бұрын
9:45 Nope. Shimano Cues will eliminate our chances for 11 speed Tiagra
@davidnicholson66809 ай бұрын
I love this take. I have lots of high end bikes but I think a cheap, simple bike has tremendous appeal. I should probably get a good quality used steel frame and throw rim brake 4700 on it. Crashing, mud, rain, sticks... eh, so what. A new RD is $35. Sometimes I don't want to ride my high end bikes because I'm worried about damaging them. I'm doing it wrong.
@colecoleman14998 ай бұрын
Tiagra 4700 RD, cassette, chain and BB. Shimanoo 5800 105 crankset. Dura ace shifters and brakes.
@a1white9 ай бұрын
Replacement cassette price is the main reason for me to stick with Tiagra. Really it boils down to 10 speed being enough for what you need
@zaxx18577 ай бұрын
Is a 12speed alot better? Only reason i want to upgrade is for the 12speed 😂
@kovar23449 ай бұрын
to me the current 105 seems like an epic flop so far. Literally a month after the release i saw ton of it on massive sales. 12 speed has nothing to do with people lol.
@Jacob991749 ай бұрын
This was informative, and very entertaining. Nice
@jeremyemilio93783 ай бұрын
BRING BACK SILVER COMPONENTS
@dobbscycleworks3 ай бұрын
For freaking real!
@petercotterill51059 ай бұрын
10 years ago I bought an Ultegra equipped road bike. When the RH lever broke I replaced with Tiagra shifters (the last iteration with external gear cables) and 105 f/r ten speed and the differnce is like night and day. The Ultegra ran with a clickety-clack, it needed frequent indexing, and the shifts weren't great. The new set-up runs almost silently, the changes are more positive and it rarely needs re-indexing. I don't know about electronic, but I believe the omptimum was reached with 10 speed, beyond which the tolerances are too tight.
@JShrimpma9 ай бұрын
CUES road is probably launching in the coming year, which will include 11 speed options. Unfortunately the pull ratio, chains, and cassettes are all incompatible with previous 11 speed groupsets
@amitkumar-wj8gn9 ай бұрын
Agree, but hey, if we are smart enough, this is the best time to get tiagra because given its run, I doubt second hand parts as and when and if needed will be an issue at all. Hell, given the 105 prices, one can buy two new sets of tiagra components for life!
@TenSapphires9 ай бұрын
I don't like CUES. I expect it to be heavy and e-bike compatible. Desing looks soulless. It's not enter level for enthusiasts, it's more for trekking riders.
@stibra1019 ай бұрын
105 R7000 is far better than any Tiagra version. Still available and cheap.
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
still available cheap cheap cheap, very true. I actually found a really nice bike I might pull the trigger on thats an outlet close out with105 7000
@stibra1019 ай бұрын
@@dobbscycleworks Bought one today for 280 EUR
@morganconey48149 ай бұрын
Sora with 105 brakes is best budget option, can use 9sp shimano mtb rear mechs if you need more range
@frankp.w.schindler32342 ай бұрын
Or Sora 2X9! Flatbarshifters, Oldschool-Cranks, GS for widerange or SS for corncob (14-25 🤫)...
@dobbscycleworks2 ай бұрын
Everytime a customer brings in a Sora equipped bike that has the more modern R3000 I'm always really pleasantly surprised by it. Pretty solid components and that rear mech is more than happy to do its job well. And the entire group can be bought for like $200 so it's really a pretty good option. I probably wouldn't ever build a "race bike" with it but I'd be more than happy with it on a little around town bike.
@rdeschen20009 ай бұрын
The good: huge upgrade from 8 speed Sora on an old bike. The bad: Durability. Less than 2000 miles over three years and and my 10 speed went to a 9 speed because of slop in the rear mech pivot and internal wear in the shifters. The good: compatability with 105 7000 series 11 speed. I swapped the shifters and rear mech to 105. Still running 10 speed tiagra cassette, front deraileur, crankset, and rim brakes. Shifts perfectly. 11 speed cassette won't fit on old wheelset.
@DaigoroToyama9 ай бұрын
Off topic, but I'm pretty sure Tiagra is pronounced "tee-ah-gra," not "tie-ah-gra." Otherwise I totally agree with you.
@Sweetskis9 ай бұрын
105 R7000 is a good option. It’s still for sale.
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Yeah definitely agree and I even found a really nice bike with R7000 on an outlet close out I’m really considering.
@wrcompositi9 ай бұрын
Just reuse R7000 parts to make the "new" Tiagra 4800(or R5000), keep the silver option and rim brakes, then we still have people's group with minimal efforts by Shimano. But maybe there won't be Tiagra and lower tiers anymore, and a road CUES ecosystem will replace them all.
@Ronald-qj5nx8 күн бұрын
The thing is, at the lower end (such as alivio/acera and sora/tiagra), there isn't much difference in cost to manufacture the various groupset components, so makes no sense to keep them
@dobbscycleworks4 күн бұрын
Especially now that the Cues drop bar shifters have been all but confirmed. Everything below 105 will now be in the cues eco system which I don’t think is necessarily a bad thing.
@luism6449 ай бұрын
I don’t know… if affordability is a key factor to determining “the people’s groupset, why stop at Tiagra? Why not Sora?? Sure it’s a 9spd group set but it comes in both 2x9 and 3x9. With road levers and flat bar triggers. I know bike shop mechanics who have installed Sora group sets on their bikes, but plan on skipping Tiagra for 105. Compatibility? Tiagra derailleurs being compatible with 11 spd shifters isn’t anything I would brag about. That would mean mixing with a 105 or Ultegra component. Why not just use those as your groupset instead? These days you can get 9 or 10spd components from older ultegra and 105 sets easily. Sure they may be used but they’re still really good. The only advantage I really see here is that Tiagra is available. I have never seen Tiagra components out of stock. But for Tiagra’s compatibility issue, usually the best option to go with once you pick up one Tiagra part is to go full Tiagra. Sure 105 has gone up in price, but once you have a component, whether 11 or 12 spd, it should be compatible with 105, ultegra, or Dura-ace of the same speed. With that said, 105 feels like an invitation to more cycling adventures, an on ramp or a crossroad. Tiagra just feels more like a detour.
@joshuabuilds30516 ай бұрын
Oh and when your tiagra nameplate breaks off they're like 10 bucks on performancebikes. Just a thing they do I guess.
@AG-el6vt26 күн бұрын
Yes, the nameplates are the most annoying drawback on the Tiagra shifters, I've already had to replace both, 😂 I've had them shifters for a couple of years now, so not very durable! But I do some gravel riding in the summer, so the extra vibration isn't kind to the little plastic thingies...
@harryadams40709 ай бұрын
I'm open to correction here but I'm sure I read one time that Tiagra 4700 10 speed levers and rear mechs have compatibility problems with other Shimano 10 speed groupsets. For example , if I trash a 105 10 speed rear mech I cannot replace it with the cheaper Tiagra 4700 rear mech because its pull ratio does not match the 105 10 speed levers. Is this correct?
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Yes that is correct, older shimano 10 speed has a different pull ratio than the 4700 but Tiagra does use the same pull ratio as R7000 and R8000 so you technically can mix and match those.
@yonglingng56409 ай бұрын
When I upgraded from 105 5600 to Tiagra 4700, I forgot to take cable pull ratio into account, so now I've ended up with not just the ST-4700 and FD-4700, I have the RD-4700 too. Good thing the rear derailleur was in the same shop I got the front derailleur from, only the STI levers are new.
@dansnow19829 ай бұрын
4700 is also compatible with GRX400. I have a bike that started life as a 4700'd hybrid, that is now a 4700 Franken-gravelly thing with drop bars. Currently set up with: GRX400 rear with a 11-40 (and YES it works and shifts perfectly), a 4700 48/34 crankset with 4720 hydro levers with Ultegra BR-RS785 post mount calipers. I have friends who ride 105'd bikes.....4700 is WAY more durable
@NatalieUoker4 ай бұрын
RX400 is also compatible with R7000 shifters. A have R7000 (hydro) shifter, 11 speed cassette and RX400 rear mech. Works perfect. It was cheep upgrade from road+ to gravel.
@SimonCurrey8 ай бұрын
I have the gravel cousin a GT Grade with GRX 400. 46 30 FSA chainring. 11 36 cassette so 500% gear range. No idea how to service the hydraulic brakes. However they do perform well,
@HieiTF76Күн бұрын
I replaced the microshift transmission of my rc 520 with tiagra 4700 transmission (everything, shifters included), as I don't need 11 or 12 speeds an I'm pretty happy with it. The cassette is 11-34 and my previous one was 11-32 so it's also little nice upgrade.
@TenSapphires9 ай бұрын
I have Tiagra on my bike for two years now and claimed it "Groupset of the people". I also race,so...I got the bug to make it better for that. Mostly weight. Crankset is much heavier than 105 but I replaced 50/34 stock for 52/36 Absolute Black and saved 150gr, 11-34 cassette is 370gr but SRAM 1070 11-33 is 290,Ultegra 6700 11-28 is 250gr. I wondered what I'm leaving in brake department with mechanical brakes. Than I did something stupid and bought gravel bike with GRX 400. Switched levers, brakes, RD from that bike and 105 FD. Sold gravel bike with Tiagra. It is great groupset, for sporty rider I say go for lighter crankset and cassette and hydraulic brakes. For kids and women there is smaller lever version 4725. It's better than DA 7800, I don't miss 11.
@chinter9 ай бұрын
Uh…. I just bought a 4700 group set to rebuild a steel bike
@cosinus_square9 ай бұрын
Sram fanboy here since 11s was released up until 12s AXS. I have recently purchased a couple old Shimano derailleurs 6600 Ultegra and 5600 105 to polish up to for a vintage downtube friction 11s build, we'll see how that works out. Also a 4700 long cage, boy is it heavy.
@charlcoetzee939 ай бұрын
Good info on pull ratios. It took me a fair bit of reading to figure all that out
@jean-paullanglois54529 ай бұрын
Real peoples cassette gearing too, please ! Who is strong enough to pulled a 11,12 or even a13 sometimes on the flat. Merckx did is hour record on 52×14, and recognised after having suffered like hell ! If this gear is enough for him for 1 hour , it should be more than enough for me for 1 minute ! Please stopped giving Ferrari transmission for all thoses honda civic motors , is it to hard to figure this thing out !?!
@darrin23829 ай бұрын
Cues will be the groupset of the people apparently
@zypang14477 ай бұрын
What else is great about Tiagra? Still support rim brakes. Great groupset.
@viktorkelic25027 ай бұрын
Very cool video, thanks man.
@stant16589 ай бұрын
I have a 1979 Apollo Gran Sport and just had Tiagra installed. I kept the original parts on the bike which were not required for the groupset like the brakes, handlebar, etc. I'm very happy with it.
@peterbaskind98729 ай бұрын
I am a fan of 4700. I should state that I have bikes with other, higher-end groups. But 4700 works just about as well. The fact that it’s 10-speed doesn’t bother me at all. Indeed, I would not want to have to fiddle with mechanical 12-speed; it’s just a bit too delicate to index. It’s telling, however, that Shimano has done nothing to upgrade Tiagra in years. While one could argue that 400-level GRX is actually an upgraded Tiagra, 4700 remains unchanged. Rumors are, of course, that Tiagra will be phased out when CUES goes drop bar. That would be a shame.
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Yeah we’ll see, 4700 has been around since 2015 with no real changes so I’m curious to see if they lean into Cues or bump Tiagra to 11.
@wazzup1059 ай бұрын
The groupset of the poeple ...No really, I have a 2x8 Microshift groupset and it's fine. I'd love t upgrade to a 2x10 Tiagra. I would win on all fronts... Although one question... can I install a crank based powermeter? (quick Google says that as long as it uses the Shimano’s Hollowtech II interface something like a 4iii or stages pm should work fine... )
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Yeah you could definitely go that route or just get a 3rd party power metered crank. Might run into some wonky issues with 10 speed chain rings so maybe power meter pedals might be an option to look into as well. I’ll do some more research and get back to you cause now I’m curious about that
@chesterthomas50939 ай бұрын
My favorite group set ever was Shimano 105 (r5800?) that came on a 2016 Masi CXGR. Most reliable, super crisp shifts ever. Even when I mixed and matched parts it was flawless. My final setup on that bike was a SRAM 10spd mtb double crankset, Truvativ 42/28 rings, SRAM chain, Suntour 11-36 11spd cassette, with a Wolftooth road link. Never missed a shift, and I rode that bike through all kinds of shitty conditions. I’ve had multiple iterations of Ultegra, including the latest (mechanical) version on my current road bike, have GRX 600 on my gravel bike, but nothing beats that 105.
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
105 5800 truly was an amazing groupo, I’d have to agree and probably say that’s up there for me as well.
@haakon_b4 ай бұрын
Cheapest weight savers are chain and cassette. Ultegra chain and 105 cassette is a bargain upgrade. And stay away from Disc brakes in road bikes. 😉
@jaredfontaine20027 ай бұрын
105 is much better lighter better shifting etc. Just use RIM BRAKE and 11 speed.
@Bangbroer8 ай бұрын
Hi, sorry for late comment, but i bought used local brand 2015 mtb for 60$ and its heavy. and then i've changed the groupset with Tiagra 4700 flatbar right shifter, cassete and rd. And for the front, i put deore 3x crankset, fd and the shifter. Its looks cool, the reason i dont use the tiagra crankset its because its to big for me and i dont like the mtb rd and shifters looks. Well,.... The groupset are more expensive than the bike itself.. lol but i like my bike
@ruudboek9 ай бұрын
Only buy the Tiagra shifters, then use a 10 speed Microshift rear deraillieur and aliexpress CVR crankset (with steel axle) to get the weight to 105/Ultegra territory.
@alien-bassАй бұрын
Paint colours ? In agreement with you there, there are some shocking multi coloured designs out there.
@kevin_du_929 ай бұрын
Yes. And second hand 10 speed dura ace wheelsets, say 7800, or rs 80, will cost you 200 bucks (I'm talking rim brakes). 400 to 600 for a capable groupset and an awesome wheelset, plus 600 for a good condition second hand frameset, and voilà
@amitkumar-wj8gn9 ай бұрын
Regarding the weight Dobbs, the best place to save would be the crankset. The Tiagra crankset is almost 900 grams alone. I upgraded to lighter canks from Velo Orange, got a 2by combination of choice, and saved over 105 by buying the other components from Tiagra. I later sold Tiagra rimbrakes and upgraded to ultegra rimbrakes. The best of all worlds: I get the same range as ultegra on 2by 11, the weight saving is not enough that matters to an amateur rider like me; but the money saved sure does. And the bikes performs flawless. The other thing one can do after saving on Tiagra over 105 is to get the best cables and housing you can. Some of the Jagwire stuff (KEB-SL) for example makes mechanical brakes soooooooooooooo much better wow.
@davidnicholson66809 ай бұрын
This is a good tip and it's true of lots of groups. I have a Rival AXS group on a bike I built in 2022, but I swapped in the '22 Force crank. That combination brought the entire groupset to within 70 grams of 2022 Force AXS.
@RenghisKhan9 ай бұрын
Good cables are vastly underrated, you are absolutely right in mentioning Jagwire here. For a couple of tenners, it's a considerable upgrade. For me it's Jagwire on every bike.
@ClockworksOfGL9 ай бұрын
@@RenghisKhan- Good cables are a worthy upgrade. Plus I adamantly refuse to consider hydraulic brakes on a damn bicycle. I mean…come on…. 🙄
@RenghisKhan9 ай бұрын
@@ClockworksOfGL I totally agree. Had them on one of my bikes ten years ago and I did not like them at all. Cantilever and V-brake all the way. The ease and cost of maintenance are way superior to disc brakes and the difference in stopping power is doesn't warrant the extra hassle. The only pro, imo, for discs is the life expectancy of your rims but they usually go bust by my maltreatment before the braking surface wears out anyway. And I don't like internal routing either.....🙄
@amitkumar-wj8gn9 ай бұрын
You could you one (or maybe two!) good holidays with the money saved :) @@davidnicholson6680
@rochester2122 ай бұрын
I'm still using 22 year old Ultegra 6500 on my main road bike. No complaints, everything works nicely.
@ionutbalaban8 ай бұрын
I had a 105 equipped Kuota from 2012 that i really enjoyed but i got stolen on Christmas. Come january i found the Merida Scultura Endurance 300 on stock at a retailer with Tiagra groupset and i just fell for it. Order it and will get it in about a week. and i gotta say your video is one of the reasons i dethroned the 105 and began my tiagra(french) revolution. Will get back with updates after a couple of rides. :D
@samtatge8299Ай бұрын
The Execs at campagnolo burn 105 on their alter to Molech.
@David-jl6hr3 ай бұрын
I plan to upgrade to tiagra groupset, from claris. Tiagra offers better performance & some weight reduction. Thanks for sharing video.
@TnFruit9 ай бұрын
Well, i paid 1000€ for 105 DI2, so you should compare more realistic prices..
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
which is why I do clarify that there will be deals that you can get them cheaper but I was specifically referring to the MSRP price.
@TnFruit9 ай бұрын
@@dobbscycleworks and referring to the MSRP is BS in my opinion 👋🏻
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
@@TnFruit you're entitled to that, but I don't understand how stating the MSRP at launch and then stating you can find it cheaper now is any different than you saying you got it cheaper. the MSRP at launch is an unchangeable fact, for the rest of time that price will be what it cost when it was first introduced so how can I reference a specific number cheaper than that when that is subject to change based on retailer and region on a whim? If we want to discuss "realistic" prices, then the launch MSRP is the only realistic one because it is the only one that will never change.
@TnFruit9 ай бұрын
@@dobbscycleworks well, you didn't make this Video at launch, you did it yesterday. So, in my opinion, you should use a realistic price. I think the MSRP sounds better in your "comparison" to get more clicks. 🫵🏻
@HD464094 ай бұрын
Why do you think that Tiagra is less durable than 105?
@tobznoobs9 ай бұрын
i bought a revolt 1 with grx rd but tiagra fd. no issues shifts everytime i use it
@thekeytoairpower9 ай бұрын
Step 1... buy a tiagra disk bike. Step 2... change out the rear derailleur and crankset. That is all the steps
@DaveCM9 ай бұрын
My Son-in-law bought a bike with it on it. It works really well and has the same range as the 12 speed. It goes up to a 34 on the back.
@a1white9 ай бұрын
My older Tiagra derailleur stopped working correctly this year (after 10 years of heavy use) because of the different pull ratios of newer tiagra I couldn’t replace it with a new tiagra derailleur but my bikeshop had an old 10 speed ultegra derailleur lying around which the cleaned up and fitted. It’s actually improved the shifting. Who needs more than 10speed?
@wrcompositi9 ай бұрын
Even your Tiagra shifters (I guess ST-4600?) finally give up the ghost, there will be still lots of compatible derailleur lying about, such as Sora, Claris and all the 9-speed MTB derailleurs. I guess it will be a really long time before 10-speed becomes totally obsolete.
@fennec139 ай бұрын
Tiagra has always been more of the people than 105 - sorry
@joshuabuilds30516 ай бұрын
This fucking groupset. I ordered tiagra 4700 10 speed shifters and a 105 10 speed derailleur before I knew better. The fact that I got it to shift as good as it did was a testament to my dedication to get something to work. They dont work together, nearly at all. In case you didnt know. Pull ratios.
@dobbscycleworks6 ай бұрын
Yep, and oddly enough it is the same pull ratio as shimano’s 11 speed r7000 and r8000 so you can technically interchange parts of those groups with Tiagra. It’s so strange and yet I still love it lol.
@StevenBornfeld9 ай бұрын
Well, so in my search to upgrade my bike (current bike is an Olmo built up NR in 1983), I had decided after the Dura Ace/Ultegra crankset fiasco that I might downgrade to 105. Now it seems I might downgrade to Tiagra. See how much money you've saved me already? Oh, and nothing wrong with your video editing.
@endtimeslips46609 ай бұрын
Sram Apex AXS is the real Peoples groupset.
@TenSapphires9 ай бұрын
How so? Does it have 1x,2x,3x variant? Mechanical and hydro brakes? Flawless shifting and cheap parts available?
@Not_Sure_9 ай бұрын
Why not just get the Sora ? or even better the modern Claris ?
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Also not bad group sets by any means but when I’ve tested between Claris/Sora/Tiagra there is a definite notable increase in performance with Tiagra over the other too. Like I said Claris and Sora are still great but I think Tiagra just sits in the perfect place between performance and affordable intro.
@iMadrid119 ай бұрын
Most entry level road bikes come with 10 speed compatible hubs. So if you want to upgrade to 11 speed 105. You will need a new 11 speed wheel set or rebuild your rear wheel with new hubs.
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
right, you would need to eventually once you get the rest of the group but if you mix the 105 11 with 4700 you have to limit the mech to 10 speed for it to work and not throw the derailleur into the wheel. Side note, my brother trashed a 2003 Bianchi Veloce by not keeping up with the maintenance and he threw the derailleur into the rear wheel. I will never forgive him for that lol
@Theparadoxd73 ай бұрын
So why are people swapping to SRAM now?
@txmale50709 ай бұрын
since you were looking at gravel bikes i believe you never mentioned /compared grx groupset
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
good call out! yeah definitely should have taken a look at it against GRX, luckily I might just be getting a GRX equipped bike soon so I could actually get to do a hands on comparison.
@Fabiozaz878 ай бұрын
hahahahaha the end of the video was awesome!
@edvictor32589 ай бұрын
Just subbed to your channel love the content
@Tarmaccyclocross9 ай бұрын
No it isn’t
@openwheelracing889 ай бұрын
No
@burly60339 ай бұрын
Love The Doors style music to introduce the categories lol. Keep up the good work!
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
I found that on one of the asset sites I use and I think I’m going to put it in more often lol
@rominhoferrari9 ай бұрын
CLARIS R2000 is the TRUE groupset of the people HANDS DOWN 😅
@PetarBozhinov9 ай бұрын
My Cube Attain from 2019 has most 20k on it and never had problems with the groupset. It's an amazing groupset. The downsides are the 10 speed compatability problems and the front mech is just so bad compared to 105 or ultegra, its just dated.
@Mas4219 ай бұрын
Is 105 better than ultegra, and is ultegra better than DuraAce…and so on…. I m riding 105 11-speed and I m happy. Cheers
@katerinazhu62684 ай бұрын
Fellow bike mechanic here - 4700 works really well. One of the best mechanical shifting/hydraulic brifters Shimano has ever made are the small hands version (ST-4725). It has smoother shifting than the normal sized 11sp hydro brifters, and the levers have a wider blade which is much more ergonomic. I have one gripe with the Tiagra 4700 - which is at the small ring of their triple crankset where Shimano invented a new standard for the chainring (asymmetrical 73 BCD). That 4700 gruppo with small hands levers will age like fine wine....
@valmorell9 ай бұрын
Use an 11 speed 105 with my Tiagra simply because I like the way the Shadow mech sticks out less. Total success. Actually runs quieter than original too. Having had all the 10/11 speed groupsets on various bikes, I feel 10 speed is peak mechanical. Just that bit less fussy and the chains last a touch longer.
@onegrapefruitlover9 ай бұрын
Let’s hope that Shimano makes STI levers that are compatible with CUES
@syrus3k4 ай бұрын
I just got a new Tiagra bike, my previous one was Ultegra. There's pretty much nothing in it for anyone 'normal'.
@syrus3k4 ай бұрын
oh apart from 1 or 2 extra gears.
@laneromel56679 ай бұрын
I use a XT 9 speed rear Derailleur with 10 speed brifters. I get the long cage, with large rear cassette, and drop bars. Makes a very flexible drive train.
@MarkArthur9 ай бұрын
If tiagra goes 11 speed or is replaced by a road cues 11 speed then maybe it will be the new Groupset of the people
@nickyburnell9 ай бұрын
12 up cassette and you'll never miss the extra cog
@michaeltsui34359 ай бұрын
GRX. You are not using the 50 well if you need the 30.
@phillevin66519 ай бұрын
Great video.. despite me being SRAM FORCE AXS 1x guy. 🤦🏻♂️
@dobbscycleworks9 ай бұрын
Don’t worry, I’m coming back to SRAM soon for road lol. I’m thinking Force 22 mechanical, nice and light and still not too bad to work on at home.
@txmale50709 ай бұрын
Awesome love your videos keep up the good work
@rosomak8244Ай бұрын
Since a few years I don't really care about the samurai any more. The communists are already there in terms of quality.
@michaelmechex9 ай бұрын
Dude, this video is like a year out of date. Even GCN made a video on the exact same topic when it was still relevant. In the last month I have seen full R7150 groupset for 950 euros brand new and R7020 for 550, also brand new. Tiagra isn't that much cheaper and your chain will jump all over the place because that old rear mech has zero tension. I've seen used R8020 cheaper than new Tiagra. There are so many better options.
@FunMushizzle9 ай бұрын
Let me save you 12 minutes. No no it is not better than 105. Is it good enough? Yes probably for the vast majority of people Tiagra is just fine and will get you from A to B.