AFK - Secret Hitler Ep2

Broadcast 2016-10-21
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[@Hotrob_J]

"So Cori, what did you draw?" "... It doesn't matter, we have the majority vote"

[@TheDirectorsOfGaming]

Probably the best people I've seen playing Secret Hitler on KZbin, it's nice to get to hear the thought process and not have everyone shouting or having random conversations going on while the game is taking place. Am disappointed to see that this seems to be the only video of these guys playing Secret Hitler... would very much like to see them do more videos playing this if they like the game! :D

[@recklessrenegade4164]

check out their international tabletop day, at about 8 hours in they play...fucking great

[@names_are_useless]

I liked Total Biscuit's "Secret Hitler Sundays". You have strong personalities and emotions flying, which honestly makes the game a lot harder.

[@NLTops]

@@names_are_useless Yep. TB's games are legendary. Made me get tabletop simulator but I don't have enough friends to play secret hitler with xD

[@57thorns]

The discussion and the rule read at 21:20 is about making sure everyone know you picked one randomly. The procedure is this: 1. President draws three cards.. 2. President discards one card by selecting it while looking at the face of the cards. 3. The president passes both these at the same time to the chancellor. 4. The chancellor looks a both cards simultaneously and selects one to discard, while looking at the face of the cards. 5. The remaining policy is then passed. The no-talking rule is to avoid covert communication between chancellor and president, but also to speed up the game. The statement about "telegraphing your hand ... using unusual selection procedure" is about how you pick the card. While you are not allowed to talk, a small amount of "unplanned" sighs or losses of poker face are not against the spirit of the game. Once the policy is passed you are going to talk about the process anyway,

[@edisontrent618]

Note to self: Starts at 17:00.

[@edisontrent618]

Thank you past self.

[@edisontrent618]

Thanks again me.

[@teggyber]

note to you: thank u

[@sonofchlar6144]

Thanks past you!

[@dealerovski82]

28:48 Passing two liberal cards gives information to all the liberals that he probably is not a fascist. 38:41 voting against every goverment in the beginning can be very smart for way to get more information and slowing down the pace of the game.

[@Solid_Fuel]

"it does not matter, we have the majority vote" is maybe the coolest/scariest thing I have heared Cori ever say!

[@bunnarchist8965]

Ben's tie and suspenders combo???? I'm??? What a fucking look A+ look right there

[@KingHeadbang]

Lying is the worst thing to do as a liberal in SH. As a liberal you want as much of the information to be accurate.

[@jmwild1]

I have the non-Kickstarter version, and I noticed two major differences in the components for the Kickstarter edition. The rulebook is stapled on the long side instead of the short side, and the envelopes open on the short side instead of the long side. I have to argue that both of those adjustments are improvements over the non-Kickstarter version.

[@runsandgunz]

at 1:03:15 cams face goes through the 5 stages of grief! i re-watched it like 7 times

[@aubreymckeough4142]

Thank you for making me need to go back and watch this. It is true, and utterly glorious. I heart Cam and his face.

[@Josh_Fredman]

*Serge weeps with laughter* "Oh, you will pay!"

[@andrewbrien33]

Josh Fredman Serge lying was the greatest thing to exist

[@KingFudge]

Cori was so obvious all three games. Her tells are so clear. I really hope she never plays poker. XD Ben's play in game 3 to lie about getting a Liberal and a Fascist card in order to set up Cam and Ian was freaking brilliant. My initial reaction was that Ben was the fascist, because his body language suggested that he was definitely lying... until he revealed his lie to pin Ian. Man that was great. And if I may stroke my own ego here, I accurately guessed the Fascists/Hitler within the first few rounds of each game. ;)

[@edisontrent618]

But can you tell why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[@years8809]

Brilliant*

[@YouveGotRyan]

Too bad Ian was president the previous turn and couldnt have been chancellor the turn ben gave it to him.

[@HenriqueWeiler]

Love it! Got read between the lines. 54:11 Cory: "There is a chance to win!" Translates to: Why didn't you vote "NO"?! Hilter: looks at Eian.

[@nerdinthebackroom]

its nice to watch vids before the "dark times" we live in now

[@theyousefkhan]

hey! it’s a little lighter now!

[@briancrompton7440]

If a king abdicates, they are known as “naturally dead”. So no a king cannot get the throne back

[@kaigamer8250]

55:23 "Cori investigated Cam for no reason" Nah, it's actually a pretty good idea to check the next President. It can go either way to be honest. Makes sense to check somebody suspicious from a previous government, but it also makes sense to check a future government.. In the group I play with, it's usually the next President being checked, unless we get really lucky with the plays and there's a check still left in the mid-late game and somebody's been REAL suspicious and we already have some clues as to who Liberals are.

[@xerpenta]

Lack of knowledge and certainty leads to doubt and fear, which in turn lead to least optimal solutions. This game should be called "Nash equilibrium".

[@57thorns]

When Graham became president in round four, it would have made sense to vote down the government and allow Kathleen as president with Graham as chancellor. This also shows why it can make a difference how you pick the first governments, they got hemmed in with 4 suspects and the two people who passed the only liberal policy both not eligible for chancellor.

[@OmniLiquid]

When in round 3 Ben throws out the example of rubbing belly and patting head if you're a liberal and Cori and Ian do it immediately even though it was hypothetical, I thought that was a genius ploy, but it seems none of the players noticed.

[@NiteAngyl]

Well Serge, that was quite an... interesting move at 1.55.05. If anything, it helps me, and hopefully others, more in understanding the gameplay.

[@Tusalu]

Ben's crazy move could have worked, but he didn't follow up on it properly. His idea was to obscure the fact that the next government getting 3 fascist cards would be incredibly unlikely. That worked and Ian seized the opportunity to claim he got 3 fascist cards, which Cameron obviously denied. That should tell Ben (and everyone else who believed him) that Ian was likely lying, and if Ian was lying Cameron was telling the truth. He should have this clear to the table. Also Serge claiming that Cameron AND Ian were fascists didn't make a lot of sense, considering those two had just contradicted each other.

[@Jim-ee6du]

Yeah, the entire point of Ben's Gambit was to prove that the next 3 cards were not all fascist, and so if Ian said they were fascist, Ben could then prove to the table that Ian was lying. The issue is that after proving that Ian lied about receiving two fascists, Ben then proceeded to decide that Cam was clearly Hitler and try his best to exonerate Ian. So what then was the point of the gambit other than to muddy the waters for the liberals? Really cool that he tried it anyways.

[@Silvern7552]

What card game is Paul playing in the opening?

[@1mrGhost]

1:58:00 serge.exe has stopped working

[@kilo3989]

I've seen this, and I can't remember how it goes, but at 26:10 Graham adamantly telling Cam to show his affiliation and not his role seems like a real fascist-to-Hitler thing to do.

[@kilo3989]

Also, 38:50ish "Voting against every government that you're not a part of is not liberal!" is the exact opposite of the Avalon meta I was raised in. Admittedly a different game, but there the thought was "I know I'm a generic good guy, I don't know about anyone else, therefore I should be on any mission worth voting for."

[@kilo3989]

1:32:55 or so--wait. Ben's dead, Ian's dead, and Cori and Cam both are verified Not Hitler™️... then that means... *gasp*

[@Gearhead221]

1:06:40 It's actually more likely that at least one liberal policy shows up, considering that it's only an 11% chance that all 3 policies will be fascist ones. This means that there is about an 89% chance that at least one policy is liberal. But these statistics only apply if everyone told the truth, which is highly unlikely. So this may have been all for nothing. I really do have no life.

[@KingHeadbang]

20:10 the historically correct term for that is 'Führer'. Also 'ja' is pronounced like ya.

[@jmwild1]

Regarding the 5-player game, there's no need for thumbs. There are only Hitler and the other fascist, and Hitler knows who the fascist is. So they just open their eyes and identify each other.

[@arnaudbouret5562]

It's terrible how I found myself doubting Cameron in the first game and thinking "guys, you can't always trust someone who plays clearly liberal early, that's also what a good Hitler does to get people to elect them later on" - and then got him pegged when I went back to Cori "clearing" him. Cryaotic had it right on his streams - if you are a fascist, never "clear" Hitler with an inspection, you don't know whether it's going to come back to bite you in the ass in the late game. Serge was almost throwing the second game - 2 fascists v. 1 liberal, you can outright say "Oh, by the way, I'm Hitler, Cori is the other Fascist, and sorry Cam', there's nothing you can do about it, we win this game because you're never getting elected again ever." It's so easy to get used to hiding as a Fascist that few people realize that when they have majority as Fascists, they can literally declare "game over". Got Cori and Ian pegged without too much difficulty third game, but Cori was so deliberately deciding not to mention Ian in the discussion of whom to shoot when everybody else wanted to shoot him I thought she was protecting Hitler, when she was actually Hitler. Which may have been her mistake - as Hitler, had she immediately agreed to kill Ian, Cam' and Ben could have trusted her more, and both of them had reasons to doubt Serge. It doesn't win her the game instantly, that said. Cameron's play was very effective, doling out his information piecemeal as a liberal, but he only gets away with it because nobody jumped on it - he's accusing Ian of lying and refusing to give out information, which is really fishy, and only Ben's play, putting Ian on the spot as the probable liar (thanks Serge for the meltdown :p ), convinced me Cam' was a liberal trying to get more information.

[@Flamingbob25]

I think the problem in game one was the fascists played their hand way too hard early one then were not really defending themselves later, like the people who were talking were mostly the liberals, and Cam, it was sort of like everyone just excepted Ian and Cori were fascists and they excepted they were screwed.

[@isetmfriendsofire]

I love it when games of this make it so the audience can play along!

[@Firestar4041]

Could always use more Secret Hitler. Maybe even some Secret Palpatine.

[@moonwalker3962]

I had so much fun watching this!!! Cant wait to order this game.

[@AndrewMartinIsHere]

I've played this game before, and it was so much fun. Great to see a larger group play it though.

[@Critterb0t]

Where is episode 1?

[@samsparkman]

Critterbot The first part was during an AFK stream featuring several other tabletops as well; it was called something similar to 'Tabletop Night' or something like that.

[@Critterb0t]

Aight gotcha, thanks. I'll try looking for it.

[@andreasbuehler1821]

Found it. Search for AFK Tabletop Day.

[@mikepictor]

Oh...well played by Corey in game 2 there, very slick

[@ExodaCrown]

Well what gave Serge away as the fascist was the 100% change in game style. As a liberal as was loud and drew a lot of attention to himself. As a Fascist he was completely silent and only talked when he had to. I had no clue who was the second Fascist in the second game. I have had this happen to me in the werewolf game. When I was a villager I was always trying to get myself voted up to be killed, but when I was the werewolf I kinda went silent and someone picked up on it and killed me quickly.

[@sharpe3698]

They broke Serge

[@nicholasfoster1247]

whelp, convinced to buy this for the holidays, thx lrr.

[@Imayjustbeme22]

we play this with our children youngest being 9. don't understand why the age is set so high. its a pretty easy concept and kids can lie just as good as anyone else. The first time they beat us was eye opening. We like to make up the actual policies tho to make it a learning experience and of course speeches.

[@user-ju5rt6ph1o]

Cameron " And you take your party affiliation with you to your grave. Endless your hitler in which case the game ends." Ben (after being assassinated) " I am in deed a liberal" Everyone else ( face palms)

[@MrStonetigers]

were is the wood bos from?

[@jonasengle6233]

15:09 cori and ian hailing the tummyrubbins in sync so funny

[@jonasengle6233]

wrong time code oops

[@thessjansch3433]

if you do more secret hitler games i will subscribe

[@LDH-qn5pd]

I wanna play this game so bad! Ben is awesome

[@Abjebo]

Which one of you wonderful people has a leader class cybertron optimus prime and the rx-78??? Congrats on the great pieces ;)

[@jonasengle6233]

btw serge hiccuping sounds like a kitten mewing 2:03:16

[@alanhiggins299]

Gah!!! Was having difficulty working out who was who, then fifty min utes into the video I realised the names of the players were in order at the bottom of the screen *facepalm*.

[@andreasbuehler1821]

So, is there an episode 1?

[@samsparkman]

Andreas Buehler The first part was during an AFK stream featuring several other tabletops as well; it was called something similar to 'Tabletop Night' or something like that.

[@josh___something]

Sam Sparkman I believe it was "Tabletop day"

[@arbitermaster]

Quick question. Does Ben have his own stream show on lrr or is he just someone who sometimes shows up.

[@guyfriendo2917]

This looks like a really fun game. I'm gonna have to buy it.

[@Rin_Brimber]

Serge for Chancellor 2016

[@kappaross6124]

#PowerSerge #ImWithSerge

[@d.brs01]

Autobahn to the hitlerzone doesnt work because hitler build the autobahn

[@thessjansch3433]

pleas do more secret hitler games

[@riversong7251]

I like this game. Have you tried playing the card game bang?

[@VashMaverick09]

And now the stream truly begins

[@dallasjthompson]

48 mins in, my bet is fascists are Cori, Ian, and Cam, Hitler unknown

[@dallasjthompson]

score!

[@josh___something]

dallas thompson thanks for possibly spoiling the fun... Think of the top comments man. :

[@catlover0000]

In the second game a pinned the fascist from the beginning, but Hitler came out of nowhere, I thought someone else for the whole game.

[@kevincruz3148]

Finally!! Been waiting for months.

[@bobbyjustbobby1]

but the members at home can easily know who everyone is prior to the end. just skip forward to the end of each round. then go back to the beginning and watch.

[@user-ju5rt6ph1o]

"The fascist win by enacting 6 fascist policies, or if Hitler is elected Chancellor after 3 fascist policies have been enacted," Secret Hitler Official Rule Book. You claimed it was after 4 fascist policies.

[@dallasjthompson]

1:17:00, calling possible Ben and Serge for sure

[@dallasjthompson]

8 mins later, either Ben and Ian, or Serge and Cam, now leaning on Ben and Ian

[@dallasjthompson]

3 mins more Ian Hitler, fasc is either Ben or Serge

[@dallasjthompson]

1:30:00, Cori and Ian

[@dallasjthompson]

2 mins later, Cori has played everyone, including her fellow fasc Serge

[@dallasjthompson]

welp, that was a train wreck of accusations

[@Gearhead221]

1:04:25 I did the math. The odds of drawing 2 fascists and a liberal in the first round and then 3 fascists in the second is about 6.4%. Odds are someone lied.

[@adamnickel8223]

This game should be lively after Christmas Dinner.

[@jhfdhgvnbjm75]

I'd love to see this game played with all fascist but not knowing and see what happens.

[@juliadurgee518]

loved this!! thank you.

[@shepherd5593]

you should have let the viewers see who the person was.. its fun still. or given us a choice.

[@tehfluffypanda1881]

2:03:14 That was probably the most adorable thing I have ever heard in my life XD

[@mellowwookiee7533]

Serge is my favorite boy.

[@recklessrenegade4164]

REEEALLY want to see more of this

[@dallasjthompson]

I don't know about you, but the games I've played take half an hour at most, and I've done them in 10 minutes

[@finnthpjac3457]

Just noticed they have the Chandra skate deck

[@elfinfluff]

So there's like no chance Kathleen isn't' Hitler, right? I'm calling it now!

[@Tylernal]

at 33:37 im calling it ben graham and ian

[@Tylernal]

edit at 46:12 cori graham and ian

[@Tylernal]

i was wrong

[@TheTexasDice]

Have fun with that one guys. I personally don't get this game and watching it makes my head hurt.

[@kappaross6124]

it's my understanding that that's the point of the game :P

[@taidhgtajalli7748]

My fellow americans

[@dallasjthompson]

1:58:00 just what?

[@Matthew9203]

1:32

[@timmurray8050]

So I guess, if serge is a liberal he's a weirdly authoritarian liberal 35:53

[@bobjob5726]

Holy carp you have a Chandra deck

[@justinasdasda3181]

i love this game

[@jonjolin9188]

Cory ruined the last game. She def should have been trying to convince them to get chanselor. They prob would have and they would have won

[@lucko4576]

before watching I will die if kathleen isn't hitler

[@wwzach169]

called it from the very start

[@roberthultgren9389]

This is going to be real hard to watch current events being what they are, but maybe also Cathartic.

[@seangrady9542]

Dreadful Fascist team in game 1. Had 2 of the 3 sniffed out as soon as the roles were given out. You have to act liberal and get involved. Ian was trying way to hard to put on a poker face and forgot to play the game!

[@xragg]

Just another rehash of Conspiracy and Avalon. Not a bad game. Hard to really make an original game with so many games out there.

[@xragg]

Almost positive the former president can be chancellor (Dont have the rules on me at the moment). Just the last potential chancellor can't be nominated as chancellor.

[@Den241191]

Depends on the number of players (as I'm sure you became aware of while watching the video). In the 5 player variant, they can, but not in the 7 player variant.

[@GreenSnake1997]

next time you can let the viewers decide if they want to know who is who, we can close our eyes too^^

[@eirikmurito]

The most terrifying genocide game by far is Secret Merkel!

[@lordandrak]

20:57 "good left leaning" .... uh ... the Fasicsts was an Italian term for Mousselines Communism, who was the National Socialoists (Nazis) main allies, also Soviet Communist Russia was truce pals till classic backstabby Authoritarians. You want Libertarian Right wing to oppose Authoritarian Left, history is important.

[@emimonsterlicious]

What the parties are called means nothing. Hell, the conservative party in Japan is called the "liberal democratic party".

[@adamstern6651]

It can't be 1932 and World War Two, World War Two started in 1939.

[@loopie1206]

I vehemently disagree with the decision to not tell the audience what everyone's roles are.

[@TheRemixDenuo]

So ehm... I can't read people.. at all...

[@justind7211]

Watching this guy desperately struggle to explain the game was disgustingly uncomfortable to watch.