Outlander | Deleted Scene 3x06 : A. Malcolm

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[@Maca494]

"there were sections that dragged down so we literally cut the 10 seconds where jamie tells claire he was basically blackmailed to have sex with geneva". ok, bro. literally the most important part

[@maralynphillips8133]

It was one sentence that took him about 10 seconds to say ani I personally would have loved that in the scene

[@johncostas4727]

I agree, we knew the truth., but Claire didn't

[@nancybee1671]

Me too!

[@zardox78]

Makes it exceedingly hard to buy the "it was cut for time" excuse. Especially on a channel with no standardized episode lengths and no commercial breaks. But "Oh, those extra 10 seconds would just be a bridge too far." Really funny place to draw that completely arbitrary line in the sand.

[@sethd6485]

@@zardox78 I don’t think it was cut for time reasons. I actually disagree that it should have been included. Jamie is selfless to a fault. His focus is always on the pain of others rather than his own. Even though he was coerced and blackmailed, it’s not in line with his character to defend or explain himself, even if he should. Instead of defending himself and explaining the harm she caused him, he blames himself for her death. He refuses to blame her even though she forced him. That’s who he is. It’s who he’s always been. Most people would explain, even though she died. But Jamie just wouldn’t. And he should, he absolutely should. But he wouldn’t.

[@user-te3yj1bg6t]

Да, другим он и не должен ничего объяснять. Но Клэр имела право знать, почему её Джейми лёг в постель с другой. Ведь вся правда в том, что дело не в обычной мужской похоти и вожделении. Джейми не тот тип мужчин, для которых сходить налево - обычное дело. Он очень верный человек. Для Клэр, думаю, было легче узнать, (да так оно и было!), что Джейми пришлось согласиться с шантажисткой. Иначе бы он не пошёл на это.

[@elisaprorokovic9232]

I question the producers logic in deciding which scenes are added and which are shortened. You would think something as important as fathering another child deserved a little more explanation. Yet, they decided the conversation between Claire and Mr. Willoughby while she waited for Jamie, , needed to be so lengthy. 🤦🏼‍♀️

[@bernicebest]

This touching scene from the printshop episode where Jamie explains to Claire that he had a Son Willie, who he was very proud of, but thought he would never see again wasn’t deleted from ‘Amazon’ Prime in the U.K. I’m pleased to say, it was a poignant reminder of Jamie’s great loss, and brilliantly played out by Sam Heughan! “👌”

[@vanitamountain7485]

Did the UK version include Jamie explaining that Geneva forced him by threatening Jenny and the family? That short bit is the only deleted part.

[@bernicebest]

@@vanitamountain7485 hello, yes Jamie did explain that, quite eloquently, enough so that Claire understood that it wasn’t for the love of Geneva, in theory she blackmailed Jamie because she threatened to expose who he was also, and he wasn’t going back to jail under any circumstances! I always thought Geneva looked like Claire in a way, she was a very pretty girl and carried herself well, so in a way Jamie fell on his feet so to speak and he produced a very handsome boy in the process! 😉

[@SilkSpectre7]

@@bernicebest I don't think he fell on his feet at all. What it was was a rape scene (Geneva coerces Jamie to sex against his will = rape) although in the show, Jamie does take pity in her as soon as he realizes that she is afraid. He sees that she may be a cruel egotistical girl but she is also an innocent virgin about to be married off to someone old enough to be her father.

[@rosalynmartin3171]

@@SilkSpectre7 also once he started he couldn't stop...it's been at least 8 years... to be with a woman again..and Claire was on his mind the whole time..same between Claire and Frank...Jamie was always between her and Frank love making.

[@Lori_in_CT]

I recall seeing this also in my five times of watching Outlander on STARZ.

[@21stellaluna]

Claire could see that Jamie was so proud of his son and loves him so very much.

[@amritawhitman8112]

Why on earth did Jamie believe he was "guilty of her death"?!?! While watching the scene I expected him to explain the situation when Claire asked if he loved the boy's mother and I thought it was a very strange omission from the conversation! Just two sentences and they cut it out??

[@vh6289]

I think he says he was guilty of her death because she literally died while giving birth to his son. So, were it not for him, she would have never had children, therefore there would be no danger for her. But I understand what you mean. Of course, Jamie could not influence her wellbeing and he could have done nothing whatsoever and only did what she had forced him to do. But anyway, being a gentleman and a kind soul he is I think he's feeling his guilt in that.

[@amritawhitman8112]

@@vh6289 Good points! When I first saw that scene it occurred to me that he believed he was responsible because he impregnated her, but then I dismissed that as a completely irrational idea - which it is, especially in his case since he was being blackmailed by her. Of course I forgot that people actually thought things like that in those days!

[@zardox78]

I haven't read the books (apart from the first several chapters of the first one), but I understand that the sequence where Willie is conceived gets a little darker than it was in the show. Like she changes her mind half way into it, but... he does not comply. Possibly the dialog about being "guilty of her death" has been directly carried over from the books, while the sequence itself had been softened (for TV audiences) to the point where that dialog no longer holds true.

[@lauratrambusti2145]

​@@amritawhitman8112basta tornare indietro alla stagione 1 x ricordarsi che ha preso le botte al posto di laghory eppure a lui non piaceva nemmeno è stato carino con lei dopo perché faceva tutto lei @

[@lauratrambusti2145]

​@@zardox78anche su skay la scena che lei ci ripensa c'è!

[@YaYa-lz1zt]

I love the Outlander books and the series. And Sam and Caitriona make such a believable Jamie and Clair. I can’t imagine anyone other than those 2 in those rolls.

[@5566letslearnEnglish]

Thanks for sharing this deleted scene with us..it is a pity that they cut lots of beautiful scenes by making excuse time..

[@jennyirvine6101]

This scene should not have cut, as it tells the real reason to Jamie. The viewer is left wondering if Claire really understood otherwise.

[@rosalynmartin3171]

I think she did...she said she knew he would have had a life...she was more concerned if he still loved only her....more about another woman than another child...I imagine the son did hurt a little only because it's a son she could not give him....to give him his father's name and the ring he gave her for him....its been 20 years.

[@felicialovesnkotb]

I don't think the reason matters. The important thing is that Claire accepted that he had a life while she was gone. That's the importance of the scene.

[@user-te3yj1bg6t]

Не согласна, причина имеет значение. Потому что Джейми НЕ ЖЕЛАЛ Джениву! Вот его женитьба на Лаогере - другое дело, он согласился из-за одиночества, хотел семью. Пытался стать отцом. Это и означало, что у него была своя жизнь, о чём и сказала Клэр.

[@73005]

Some of the deleted scenes are in the Stars version, some are in the Netflix version. This scene was indeed very touching. We all know that he did not love Geneva.

[@lauratrambusti2145]

Ma sapeva anche come fare a non metterla incinta!

[@lynda.grace.14]

There's no defensible reason not to have included that brief sentence. Most especially since since being raped is not "having a life" beyond the one he and Claire previously shared, nor is it infidelity, nor is Geneva's death something for which Jamie needs to shoulder the blame. Sometimes people's selfish choices have horrific consequences and this was one that certainly went awry for Geneva. Okay, she was young, willful, desperate and likely thought the marriage arrangement as "the end of her life." However, if she'd thought ahead she'd realized that she likely will become an attractive widow at which time she could have the pick of any man she fancied. In addition, Geneva's selfish, thoughtless demands caused Jamie a lifetime of pain, and when William learns the truth to him as well. The only good part of that scene where he learns the truth is the way William goes full on Fraser like no other Fraser so far. Perhaps Diana gives Jamie and William something more in Bees or the book after that. Perhaps like Brianna's storyline there will also be an opportunity for William to know, respect and love the character of this "king of men" who has sired him. I hope so, more especially now that Brianna and Roger have returned to the Ridge at the end of the last volume. A few minutes of "happy families" before terrorizing her characters again would be nice.

[@rowanaforrest9792]

I'm not fully aware of the story, but Jaime is certainly not to blame for Geneva dying in childbirth when it was she who blackmailed Jaime into lying with her. Neither could have predicted that she'd die in childbirth, but the fact remains that the fault lies with Geneva. Jamie feeling guilt about it does show that he has a conscience, which is good. I hope William grows into a good man.

[@sethd6485]

I actually disagree that it should have been included. Jamie is selfless to a fault. His focus is always on the pain of others rather than his own. Even though he was coerced and blackmailed, it’s not in line with his character to defend or explain himself, even if he should. Instead of defending himself and explaining the harm she caused him, he blames himself for her death. He refuses to blame her even though she forced him. That’s who he is. It’s who he’s always been. Most people would explain, even though she died. But Jamie just wouldn’t. And he should, he absolutely should. But he wouldn’t.

[@ahavens2463]

I'm going to go a bit farther and say it was also the fault of Genova's circumstances. She was being forced to marry an old man. She stated she wanted to experience sex with someone she could feel attracted to. How horrific to have to lie with and marry an old man like that. While it was wrong what she did, I think she wanted Jamie. She was a victim of her circumstances of the time as well.

[@lynda.grace.14]

@@ahavens2463 I agree. It was also her circumstances that allowed her to command and use any servants in the household as she pleased. She would not have had the education (much less a moral education or life experience) to think it unconscionable as we do today. (Just as men could use women--i.e. their property--any way they pleased. It was their right by law.) In Chapter 136 of Written in My Own Heart's Blood, we get a fresh insight into Geneva from Jamie (likely given the greater perspective of time, a deeply gratifying relationship with Brianna in addition to his consistent protection of anyone he loves) as well as William. It's very subtle, uses very few words and a beautifully poignant moment. And though Go Tell the Bees failed to deliver the development I would have wished for Jamie and William, I cross my fingers (but make no wagers) that father and son might have some joy of each other before either one of them bites it.

[@insomnia610]

@@sethd6485 He did. Not in this scene but he does tell Claire how he came to be in Geneva's bed. He refuses to tell William though. I wish he wud but I get y he won't. He carries guilt for things he shudnt n he's selfless to a fault. Coz even though Willie has no idea wat happened, he suspects Jamie was in the wrong and it's never crossed his mind that Geneva gave him no choice. I doubt it ever will. I don't think the scene where he tells Claire is in the books though (unless I sumhow overlooked it) but there r several chapters where she mentions it n his reluctance to tell any1 abt it.

[@markgowans]

This scene must have been cut from the US screenings of Outlander because here in the UK I've seen it on amazon prime videos.

[@vanitamountain7485]

Not the whole scene. The only part deleted was his sentence that explained that Geneva forced him, by threatening his family.

[@mariaantoniettabedetti2553]

We saw it in Italy on Sky, it was not deleted.....I love Outlander and the actors, Sam and Cait💫💫💜

[@doradegiorgi2650]

Io L ho appena visto e lui non dice che ci è stato solo una volta perché lei lo aveva forzato. Quella parte del dialogo non esiste nell episodio ma solo in questa sequenza 😅

[@lauratrambusti2145]

​@@doradegiorgi2650brava infatti quando l'ho visto su skay non riuscivo a capire perché jemie non spiegava a claire le minacce di gineva, poi ho scoperto che avevano tagliato la scena!

[@mariep.6975]

Very beatiful, great series. Amazing Sam and Caitriona. Thank you. 💝🌞👏

[@stellaknows8548]

We saw this in America too. Lovely scene. Thank you 💜

[@klimtkahlo]

In the USA he does not say that he was forced to lay with willies mother, which actually would have been nicer to be honest! 1:44 to 2:02

[@annerodgers9149]

@@klimtkahloI recall that he was forced to, I don’t remember why. I am in the USA and remember this situation.

[@ruthrawlins3946]

I think the part of how he came to Geneva's bed should have been included. It gives clarity to the scene!

[@michelebrown5409]

Should of left it in

[@helenshawstarsstones6271]

Why on earth would that really important 10 seconds be cut , it left many audience members a little confused , as if it wasn't important , thankyou for sharing it

[@emiliejayne_st]

On Amazon Prime in the UK this scene is still in, I remember watching it

[@dinadasilva5818]

Magnifique et splendide epidode que celui des retrouvailles entre Jamie et Claire Fraser après 20 ans de séparation 💘💘💘 l love Outlander ❤❤❤❤

[@user-vr1bw8uv3q]

Любимые серии, любимые моменты😥😢😍😍😍👍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@annerodgers9149]

This scene, showing her the small portrait of William, his son, was not deleted from Amazon Prime in the U.S.

[@carolwoolley9859]

I think it would have been good in. I enjoyed listening to it here and always thought he hadn't explained the circumstances and for her it would have been really hard to know he had a son to someone when she had not shared bringing up a child with him. And felt we had seen what happened but she hadn't and would need more to understand. Very hard. This somehow

[@ILoveArt2022]

Wish they would've kept this scene in the episode that way it would show him explaining to claire on why he slept with geneva. Also that look on his face when someone asked about william mother, you can tell that he doesn't want to talk about her and he doesn't want to remember that part of his past

[@b1j]

I love Jamie’s father instinct.

[@yvettedupont9613]

sublime serie 💖💖💋

[@loisoutjers4412]

It really should have been left in. 😞

[@laurenalfman6172]

I wish they had left this in. We do know eventually Claire does learn everything (offscreen) because when she was talking to John at the party in Jamaica while they were looking for Ian, John said "So Jamie told you about Willie?" which she replied with yes and that she knew everything and even that Willie's mother was John's wife's Isobel's sister. So we know, Claire does learn the whole truth. That is one of the two things I do not like about Diana's stories, one is the whole scene with how Jamie's son came to be, to me, it just shines a light on rape in the wrong way. I have read some stories by the people who work behind the scenes and the actress who played Geneva that what went on in the situation should not be classified as rape and that she was just trying be with someone she fancied for a good reason and that he could have turned her down. Such rubbish!! This was rape(a rape is defined as not having any choice in engaging in sexual activities). She blackmailed him and threatened his family, so what else was he going to do, she took away his choice which is classified as rape in my opinion. I know in the books she changed her mind, but she should not have done anything to begin with, so she brought the situation upon herself. Also, the other thing I did not agree with is the Claire/Frank situation. To me, I understand Claire was just fulfilling her promise to Jamie and it was the 1940s, but I think Claire should have divorced Frank from the beginning and raised Brianna on her own. She is a strong woman and could have done anything and brought up her daughter. My grandmother (who had 4 children) and my mother(who had 2 children) both did it and were great! She had friends who could have helped her. That whole situation brought mostly harmful things to all the characters involved including Brianna. As a child myself of parents who had a history similar to this situation, had my parents not split up, it would have been more damaging to me and my brother than positive in the long run and we know it did bring some harmful consequences for Brianna as she knew her parents fought a lot and you see the scars of it later in the series. I also think by going back to Frank, it did weaken Claire's character as an independent woman in a way. It showed that she needed to depend on a man just because she was pregnant, but we all know she would have been fine and great on her own. That's just my opinion!

[@insomnia610]

It isn't actually possible to be certain from that conversation with John that Jamie told Claire that Geneva didn't give him a choice. I'm almost certain he told her coz in the books he does eventually. I hate that it's off-screen in both mediums. It feels like an important conversation with these 2. The scene of Willie's conception is also one I don't like becoz it muddies the waters. First I wanna b clear, any1 who thinks the onscreen version isn't rape is full of shit. It's the 21st century. We understand consent. There's nothing unclear abt the TV version. Ppl don't have 2 b physically forced 2 b raped. Jamie n Geneva may not know that but we do. In the books, however, she really galls me. Diana tried to show how things went in that century (becoz withdrawal of consent wasn't even a concept) but she ignored Jamie's character. This is the guy who didn't want Claire 2 give him a blowjob wen it was no longer safe 4 her 2 engage in sex in her pregnancy. He didn't want 2 take his pleasure from jer n not give her any. He left Laoghaire (in part) becoz he cudnt stand sex with sum1 who didn't enjoy it (even though she was compliant, going by the terrifying advice she gave her daughter). Last but not least, Black Jack Randall. I feel like that one is self-explanatory. There's no way Jamie wud continue wen he was met with protests. That's just not in line with who he is, wat he believes n how he behaves in bed. Another thing the author galls me abt. Geneva's withdrawal of consent. She says she didn't change her mind and I actually believe that. If Jamie had stopped n tried 2 leave wen she told him to stop, she wud have called him back. I buy that that was a brief moment of panic on Geneva's part but I don't agree with how Diana treated it. If she felt that it was important to include Geneva questioning her life choices at the pain of penetration, she shud have had Jamie react in a way that was in keeping with his character. I don't c how it cud have been harmful or a waste of time to show that Geneva ultimately decided to go thru with this becoz that's what she chose. She was doing it for herself and to spite sum ppl. I wish she'd have found a willing participant (I'm sure she cud have) but it's in character for her not to care abt the feelings of the servant/prisoner in that situation. I do agree that Claire shud have left Frank, in hindsight. I didn't c that that marriage was beyond salvaging so I can't blame her for not seeing it either. And in the 40s, it was thot best for children 2 have 2 parents. Who am I kidding? That opinion is still popular. I don't think Claire's choice was abt dependence n I don't think it's portrayed that way either. She definitely cudnt have seen the damaging effects of it coming. She definitely saw them wen Brianna was sabotaging her union with Roger becoz of the insane fear that he only came back to her out of obligation and not love. And wyl I know Bree's worries abt Roger were unfounded, I understood where they came from. I don't need characters to be perfect but I do need them to be consistent and to make sense (even wen I don't agree with them). And there r things I don't blame characters for becoz authors r their God n sometimes abuse that power.

[@user-te3yj1bg6t]

Я согласна с вами в ситуации с Дженивой. Да, она в какой-то момент просила прекратить, но тогда бы он не исполнил свою часть договора, и шантаж бы продолжился. Она бы не отстала от него. Ему пришлось заниматься с ней сексом 2 раза, потому что они договаривались на всю ночь, а до рассвета было ещё далеко, как написано в книге. И он был совершенно вымотан. Если вспомнить его секс с Клэр, то их влечение становилось только сильнее после каждого раза, и обоих это устраивало. Дженива же Джейми даже не нравилась. Любому человеку не понравится принуждение, тем более Джейми, с его свободолюбивой натурой.

[@user-te3yj1bg6t]

Я ещё думаю, что, останься Дженива жива после родов, Джейми бы она ещё бы портила жизнь. Ведь она была матерью его сына, а женщина-эгоистки ох как умеют манипулировать, прикрываясь детьми!

[@lauratrambusti2145]

Si hai ragione ma si sa che parecchi uomini ragionano con l'organo maschile e lui era tanto che non andava con una donna x me jemie ha preso la palla al balzo giustificando anche il tradimento verso claire è vero avrebbe potuto rifiutare e anche non metterla incinta i modi esistevano anche all'epoca e non credo che claire non glielo avesse spiegato ! Diciamo che jemie non amava gineve ma ci si è divertito ! E fra l'altro jemy non voleva più essere lui infatti si fa chiamare alex da gineva!

[@lauratrambusti2145]

​​@@user-te3yj1bg6tin tv ci va 1 volta sola e quando si alza gli lancia la sottoveste in malomodo come x dire ho adempito al mio dovere ho pagato!

[@margaretpetrovich5543]

I love this scene.

[@Angel-mq3pb]

This scene was not deleted here in Germany on Netflix, I've seen it.

[@21stellaluna]

Die Szene ist da, aber stark gekürzt.

[@marcosc7375]

This definitely should have been put. Because it explains to Claire that he didn’t love her.

[@wurzelfiedler6832]

Wonderful scene.. I loved... Jamie and Claire a perfect team... 👌❤️🥃💪💯Prozent...

[@user-is9or1yn3b]

Beaucoup de très belles scènes sont coupées. On sait pourquoi, mais quelle dommage car elles donnent encore plus de puissance à l histoire

[@Amylou690]

For sure his explanation of how he was forced to sleep with the entitled pretty brat for threat of exposing to her parents that he was a Jacobite, nonetheless "Red Jamie"...so yea!

[@user-te3yj1bg6t]

Клэр была так счастлива показать их общую дочь, а потом узнает про Вилли. Эх... Зря сценаристы включили это в сцену их встречи, да ещё и вырезали главное - связь с Дженивой была по шантажу, а не по взаимному влечению. По своей воле он никогда бы не лёг с хозяйской дочкой, и в мыслях такого не было. Это она с ним пыталась кокетничать. В книге Клэр узнала о сыне много позже, когда обстоятельства были такие, что скрывать эту связь стало нельзя. Джейми все это время просто не знал, как признаться, и признание далось с трудом. Я ненавижу Джениву за то что она вклинилась между ними. Она не имела на Джейми никаких прав!

[@joslynhill3529]

They cut this out why

[@marlenelopes5497]

Filme maraviloso apaixonante🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@superteach232]

I like Diana Gabaldon’s version better, where she waits until Claire witnesses Jamie’s reunion with John in Jamaica. That’s where she first learns about Willie.

[@quietowl1246]

They should not have cut it

[@lindag5076]

I saw this in the US.

[@klimtkahlo]

Not the part where he says he was forced to lay with willie’s mother. 1:44

[@lauratrambusti2145]

Comunque x jemie a parte il figlio è stato un rapporto irrilevante !

[@dinorahescudero320]

Why!!!!!

[@user-fi4jk7qf2k]

Sur Netflix elle y est cette scène

[@Originella]

Um Claire had virtually no reaction to Jamie being forced. I can't understand that.

[@lauratrambusti2145]

Secondo me perché si è comunque sentita tradita mentre lei nell'altra vita non l'ha mai tradito jemie a parte andare una volta con frank pensando conunque al suo grande amore jemie ! Forse è questo che lei non approva! 2:56

[@loracarr6498]

Well, he wasn’t actually too forced. Let her watch him undress then undress her!is a bit for beingforced.!!!!! Maybe the writers too it a little too far

[@therecalcitrantseditionist3613]

But since he doesnt tell her at this time in the books. It shouldn't have been in the show at all anyway. I LOVE when they cut book story, to put in things that werent in there to begin with. It's sad how the ego of showrunners can cause them to remove the actual story for worse elements, all because they like it and wabt to insert their vision on a story that already exists. Ill follow their lead, make a show about the bible, and make david equal to goliath, because it's a more exicting fight. That's basically what showrunners do with stories and it is unfortunate

[@oopurpledove]

It was a good decision.

[@monlokiana]

It great they cut it. It was unnecessary to explain what Geneva did.

[@kimk3253]

Unnecessary for the viewers, not Claire

[@user-te3yj1bg6t]

Почему это не было необходимости?! Поставьте себя на место Клэр! Любой женщине будет неприятно узнать, что у мужа на стороне ребёнок.