Thank you for the Reupload! Thank you and everyone else at BLM and iMWiL for what you guys do
@erindaniel405322 сағат бұрын
Love this in-depth analysis and realist approach to this subject. I bought the book a while ago. Love hearing from the author behind the book!
@PeruChris9 күн бұрын
Love Frank because he challenges our thinking and speaks to Black people unapologetically ✊🏽
@o.p.88288 күн бұрын
Triggering interview.. in a good way… appreciate the great consistency Dr.Ball ✊🏿
@versatylepoetry9 күн бұрын
Powerful, harsh, truth... challenging... great show....
@stepmaster998810 күн бұрын
Thank you I was well entertained this Sunday afternoon
@DaliDessalines8 күн бұрын
"Anti Black anxiety organizes everybody's reality." 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Bars!!!!!
@africarib8 күн бұрын
This conversation was EVERYTHING!!
@Ismail-cf6xu7 күн бұрын
🔥🔥🔥 discussion 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@jameelamman9 күн бұрын
Man, after listening to this conversation, I really want to read his book and re-read Yurugu back to back…
@africaribКүн бұрын
Exactly the 2 connectors that go off in my head too.
@Kwasimitsu9 күн бұрын
This is a great discussion. I don’t fully agree, and feel there are certain presuppositions that must be accepted in order for all of this to apply, but I will say there are definitely some gems here. Thanks for posting.
@papi_sativa6 күн бұрын
damn i didn't even know bro was mixed. that soul(sol) shines through
@danishaffer267310 күн бұрын
I was sold as soon as he mentioned Gramsci, if you’ve studied Gramsci you’re serious, Gramsci ain’t easy.
@DaliDessalines8 күн бұрын
This was brilliant 🙏🏿🙏🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
@gardeniainbloom8126 күн бұрын
i inhaled deeply several times too Dr Ball.. Man this was challenging..
@_....J........................10 күн бұрын
Start a reading group on Frank's book, Afropessimism (2020). Essential praxis for weeding out the embedded Lockean Liberalism on the Western Left.
@0_P.E.9 күн бұрын
1:46:00 Str8 BARZ. As someone that is a non-academic and non intellectual, still pretty new to Afro-Pessimism and still struggling to understand what it is exactly, even after a couple of years of watching you discuss it here and there, I think maybe this comment here really helped to put a lot into context for me. Would you say this is a good basic summary of it in laymen’s terms Dr. Ball? Because it sure sounded that way to me. Also, it seems like this would’ve been a good place for that Funkmaster Flex drop lol This is some intellectual heavy lifting indeed but thanks for the re-upload. ✊🏾
@plantman4138 күн бұрын
Really enjoyed this discussion
@Propa_jo6 күн бұрын
Great interview! I appreciate you giving him the opportunity to address all of the critiques that has made me hesitant to engage with his work in the past. My main struggle with only using a dialectical materialist framework is that it has been inadequate in helping me understand the impacts of the subconscious, especially as we attempt to forge liberation often organizers will dismiss this as "metaphysical" "liberal", "interpersonal conflict" etc. and therefore not pertinent to the primary mission. If your concern can't be cited in Mao's combating contradictions its superfluous. Mentions of Franz Fanon seems more like virtue signaling and most time is focused just on how we can achieve a tighter military like apparatus. But many (like me) who are not suited to be soldiers who can disassociate from the psyche oppression in order to carry out the steps necessary for revolution, what is the solution? What exactly does the phrase "the revolution starts in the mind" even mean? The suicide rate for Black children has increased 54% in the last 4 years. How will we be able to even conceive of workable strategies/tactics to achieve liberation when we are losing our minds to the point of not being able to function at all? . . .
@pennymcchicken55559 күн бұрын
Does Frank Wilderson or Afropessimism talk about class or in anyway about class society and theory and how it relates to mitigating or overcoming anti-blackness with marxism or rather communism Or emancipatory politics and forge sovereignity for black countries not just typical BLM activism (literal micro stuff) Because I agree that anti-blackness can be seen more as transhistorical and people seem to have a blind spot for this. We see that constantly today.
@diedoktor8 күн бұрын
@@pennymcchicken5555 No, it's fundamentally modernist.
@dabigbamboo10 күн бұрын
Thanks for this discussion…I’ve been listening to criticism of afropessimist theory for a decade or more but never got around to reading any of it enough to know if they’re making any sense…I think I understand better how to approach it now!
@AP-pk6mk10 күн бұрын
It's sort of funny Noura Erakat would try to discredit Afropessimism as hurting solidarity when her brother Yousef (FouseyTube) is caught saying the N word and other disparaging things online. That's emblematic of what we're saying.
@Jamluji9 күн бұрын
Did anyone question her on that ironic episode?
@imixwhatilikejaredball9 күн бұрын
Where was her brother saying all that?
@AP-pk6mk9 күн бұрын
@@imixwhatilikejaredball he's dropped it a lot. Once he was apologetic. The other times he's clearly using it for shock value and said he doesn't care: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4a5nX6eYrN5jrMsi=bj_vJlB9SboMyfHF kzbin.info/www/bejne/haHMnp6mm6d2jrMsi=62g3sndVIoG9MFU6 kzbin.infoKQnt4RDRrIU?si=UZbOoNIiVtHh9CmM
@LongLeggedMackDaddy9 күн бұрын
I was surprised when I found out that Fousey was her brother. Dude is an absolute problem online.
@DjinnandTonik3 күн бұрын
The way this theory filters down to the lay people is basically to be against solidarity with other groups.
@fromafricaicame590910 күн бұрын
Frank dropping bombs in this
@dreofonusteesdotcom8 күн бұрын
Thank you again. Personally, this is the baseline framing / thinking / understanding necessary to combat, overcome and build anew. Cracked open Incognegro (again, forgot I had started before) last night. ✊🏾❤️💫
@uchennakpaduwa959210 күн бұрын
I love Frank. More of this please
@papi_sativa6 күн бұрын
i have an afro and pessimism and im tryna see if im doin the right thing
@kennethhymes973410 күн бұрын
On introductory section re futility: I agree with the analysis, and glad to hear the writer speak directly about the book. I see the futility. And also futile solidarity is more or less the situation for most or all until some form of actual new maoism happens in the west. There is a basic problem of land underlying all of this. No land in "america" fundamentally belongs to any european or african people. Not attacking... just the cold gaze. And the relevance for me is that maoist revolution and others have succeeded precisely because of calls to an authenitc and ancestral connection to land. It's the twin of fascism, really, the good twin, instead of a false call to land that really means elite power and racism this is a call to lived truths. Can any of us here but the indigenous claim anything beyond a sentimentalised and quite recent connection? Where do we part company with that colonial project on everyones minds at the moment? Regardless of how we got here. My ancestors were deported to australia and then their descendants came to canada and the us as indentured child servants. None of us spiritually or historically are at home. Settler colonialism destroys the original people and the land as far as it can, and then turns its attention to consuming its own... this is the stage we are in. Solidarity or no, there is either going to be a material response to elite colonial power, or human society is doomed.
@kennethhymes973410 күн бұрын
For me personally this excellent perspective and analysis raises questions of disability pessimism.
@NaderNabilart9 күн бұрын
Great discussion, learned a lot. Thank you both! I don't have the wide knowledge and wisdom of Dr. Wilderson or Dr. Ball so I say this in the most humble way possible, but I feel there's something missing in the analysis. It's more attuned to the lens of European-style settlercolonial socities or socities where blackness has a clear set of defining characteristics. Only partially helpful to understand how the exact same tensions and relations exist among majority black African socities or among different Asian and European ethnic groups. I cannot understand anti-blackness among Ethiopian, Sudanese, Indian and many more socities with the analysis of Afropessimism. At some point the decision of who's black and who's not becomes annoyingly complicated to the outsider even though it seems natural and intuitive to the local people. I hope I didn't ramble a lot. Thanks again!
@everythingispolitics65264 сағат бұрын
Is this a new interview or a reload?
@stepmaster998810 күн бұрын
:38:24 They were Not Familiar with your GAME 🤣🤣🤣
@lyleevans59219 күн бұрын
55:29 this is an absurd argument. Fanon is discussing anti blackness in the context of the Algerian revolution, where the Algreain sense of anti-blackness was threatening the spread of a pan African revolution. This is what Fanon thought could be overcome. If anti-blackness is the lynchpin of the world (it isn't) then it cannot truly ever be overcome. And this outlook leads to a partial emancipation that is liberal individualist in practice. Hence it is a politic of the status quo.
@YoungZulu19 күн бұрын
"the Algreain sense of anti-blackness was threatening the spread of a pan African revolution. This is what Fanon thought could be overcome." This actually underscores Wilderson's point--that is, the fact that there was/is antiblackness in Algeria in the first place is the crux of Wilderson's/Afropessimism's argument. This is also why Wilderson argues that Fanon--a revolutionary HUMANIST (all caps for emphasis, no disrespect)--in this instance, was wrong. "If anti-blackness is the lynchpin of the world (it isn't) then it cannot truly ever be overcome." This is why Afropessimism ACTUALLY DOES NOT argue that it cannot be overcome. Rather, contrary to prior theories (e.g., Marxism) and some theorists (e.g., 'name who you want here'), it posits that we have yet to discover how to overcome it--particularly given that it is the psychoanalytic problem of other folks, namely whites (something Fanon incisively identified). This is not to suggest that we accept a fatalist sensibility and do nothing, rather to confront antiblackness Afropessimism argues that, roughly citing the great John Henrik Clarke here, to make the point, "anything you do to get free is morally justified." So do any and everything to make this world unbearable. This includes solidarity, by the way--until it's time to come for them (i.e., our former "friends") too. Ultimately, Afropessimism, and other Black theorists like Sylvia Wynter, calls for the end of the world--i.e., the "world" as a Eurocentric humanist concept and symbolic field. How to do this remains an unsolved mystery.
@Woo90828 күн бұрын
@@lyleevans5921 and that is way Wilderson III says the only way anti blackness can be overcome is by the ending of the world he has a point.
@ibmor76748 күн бұрын
The world is anti black and socio hierarchically a race to whiteness
@unicornsparkle29088 күн бұрын
Good afternoon Brother Mr.Ball, while I appreciate some of the information from Mr.FW.,once I get interested, in one of your guest I like to do quick research, just to see if I will purchase a book from the guest. Of course when I learned that this Mr.FW is married to a white person , I am out of the conversation, I do my best to read and listen in context, and since I am old enough to put somethings in context related to the generation Mr.FW comes from , and generally not here,nor hear for the love is love can't help who you love BS that I hear from black intelligent people ( I understand your mom is white Sir , you really had no say in the matter). Far too many times when reading books or listening to black male(mail) intelligent beings it seems as though they are no writing for me, they comes with the race is just a construct , you can't help who you fall in love with or my personal fav "I Am Not Bla c k,I Am Little Wayne"! Not buying what Frank White is selling. I love your honesty, Dr.Ball keep up the excellent work
@danishaffer267310 күн бұрын
But that doesn’t make sense, I know I’m alive because I breath not because I’m not black. That bit is confusing.
@LeninDubois10 күн бұрын
Afro pessimism is nonsense !
@YoungZulu19 күн бұрын
He's referencing the concept of "social death,"--i.e., you as a subject/person are not recognized, the way in which a (Black) slave is not recognized as a human being, disconnected from sociality. He's not alluding to the bio-physiology of being alive (i.e., breathing, eating, sleeping, etc.). It is a conceptual argument. I encourage folks to principally engage the work of Afropessimism, however if you're not feeling it then that's cool too.
@danishaffer26736 күн бұрын
Okay, well that’s more sensibly described. But I feel like I’m too much of a materialist to understand. I don’t think that a persons worth is ascribed from society, because I see society as the provence of the ruling class. If then it is true, that society defines ‘human’ as not black and ‘animal’ as black, the obvious choice is to reject humanity, and embrace the animal. In the very hierarchy presented you see the definition of the ruling class, and the definition of the enslaved class. It is never acceptable to a Marxist-Leninist as myself to join with a ruling class that dominates another class. So I reject the ruling class hierarchy, and position myself against their humanity. Therefore I say that I am not human but animal, animals exist outside hierarchy, animals exist because they breath/filter oxygen out of water. So my logical track returns me to I know I exist because I breath. I get my logical track is not typical, but that is how I come to my statement. It is less a refutation of the analysis of what is, and more an example of how i feel it should be. As important as analysis of the problem is some model that breaks the pathology is also important, I think.
@phileep62859 күн бұрын
57:30 well damn...
@phileep62859 күн бұрын
1:15:22 this hits kind of different right now
@bro-kush8 күн бұрын
I understand Frank's logic. 💯
@DjinnandTonik3 күн бұрын
Immaterial post modern jargon. "Special victims" victimhood exceptionalism. Very american.
@H_i_T_Z10 күн бұрын
I never knew there was a anti-blackness issue among Palestinians.
@YoungZulu19 күн бұрын
Definitely check out what Afro-Palestinians and Afro-Israelis have to say about how they've been historically treated in Palestine and Israel. You never know, Afropessimism may be wrong on that front.
@NaderNabilart9 күн бұрын
Wait until you learn about anti-blackness in Sudan, Ethiopia and almost half of Africa. And the parallels with many still existing tribalist racial tensions among Asian and even European socities. I don't have the wide academic knowledge of Dr. Wilderson and Dr. Ball so I say this in the most humble way possible, but I feel there's something missing in the analysis. It's more attuned to the lens of European-style settlercolonial socities or socities where anti-blackness could be noticed easily. Only partially helpful to understand how the exact same relations exist among majority black African socities or among different Asian and European ethnic groups
@YoungZulu18 күн бұрын
@ That's fair, much more critical work concerning the nuance and (im)materiality of antiblackness--across varying contexts--is definitely warranted. In fact, I would argue, that's the next challenge. Answering questions like, how does antiblackness--if one accepts its existence and premises at all--manifest within an all or majority Black space? Do we witness its machinations and effects in every Black neighborhood in every nation? Are these machinations and effects different from each other due to being in different places, and if so, how so? How do attending interrelated paradigms (e.g., white supremacy, racist-capitalism, cis-patriarchy, and every other academic term we can think of) interact with antiblackness? Although I don't share your critique of Jared's or Frank's (supposedly narrow) analysis, I definitely receive it and am open to critical--and most importantly, principled--feedback. To your critique, however, one could argue that given that there was historically only one formerly sovereign, majority Black nation that was never "formally" colonized until WWII (i.e., Italy's invasion of Ethiopia, of course, and I personally don't include Liberia given that it is a product of U.S. colonialism)--we certainly can say that no space or quarter has gone untouched by European hands, which is to say antiblackness, in the post-WWII era (i.e., neo-colonialism). Given this, we may already have an idea of how, and the subtle ways that, antiblackness plays out in majority Black spaces in individual, communal, and abstract ways. In fact, the analysis that Wilderson offers (i.e., AP) in his memoir, Incognito (critics/criticisms regarding the veracity of his experience, notwithstanding), focuses on the majority Black, 20th century (post)apartheid South Africa. In many ways, I think we have identified how antiblackness plays itself out in majority Black spaces across the globe, particularly in Latin and Asian spaces. Shit, apparently there's no shortage of "I NOT BLACK" Black ass Latine/x folx running around. Definitely take a look at international scholars who incorporate antiblackness or AP in their analysis to get a better of idea of what you're thinking about.
@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL109 күн бұрын
8:51 y'all agree with this claim?
@stepmaster998810 күн бұрын
1:04:58!
@stepmaster998810 күн бұрын
I live in South Africa and Chris Hani would rebuke this in Amapiano. Put back that Lewis Gordon video abeg 🤣
@imixwhatilikejaredball10 күн бұрын
Tell Lewis to come clean with the evidence of his claims and I will. What proof does he have to publicly criticize Frank's story?
@stepmaster998810 күн бұрын
@@imixwhatilikejaredball I have not actually seen the interview with Lewis as this is the first time I’m hearing about it but Chris Hani would not want anything to do with Afropessimism. uBaba was a revolutionary
@Chulu.1010 күн бұрын
@stepmaster9988 uDr Frank Wilderson makes a lot of sense in his analysis of the globe's attitude towards us , you should listen to learn and not just to respond.
@stepmaster99889 күн бұрын
@@Chulu.10 If you say so
@geraldgreen67948 күн бұрын
All youve said is a bunch of long ass words to get people to not fight for their liberation. Yeah i dont like this guy. Call me emotional if you want but thats what hes doing.
@imixwhatilikejaredball7 күн бұрын
You're emotional. 🤣
@geraldgreen67947 күн бұрын
@imixwhatilikejaredball Yes I'm emotional. This stuff is serious to me. I'm an organizer. If what he says is true than what even IS liberation? If there is this ever present separation between what is black and what is not. Than why bother doing any of this? If multinational unity is not possible I might as well go home and not bother, keep looking out for me and my own and forget all of this. Basically, saying a world without capitalism might as well not be possible.
@helkhat_Күн бұрын
how is speaking to the fact that we need to destroy the world that allowed us to become slaves, servants,oppressed, etc = not fighting for liberation?
@geraldgreen67948 күн бұрын
I don't like this guy.
@imixwhatilikejaredball7 күн бұрын
And? Your dislike of him (and posting repeatedly about it) is not an analysis, is not a demonstration of him being wrong, and, therefore, is irrelevant. Who cares who you do or don't like?
@leroybrownjr8 күн бұрын
don't agree but if y'all can entice pan africans to leave america, you got my support 😅
@imixwhatilikejaredball8 күн бұрын
No. I would suggest you leave america and see what the world is really like and why pan-africanism is what we need more of.
@leroybrownjr8 күн бұрын
@imixwhatilikejaredball lived in ghana kuwait and saudi arabia and know what i know
@GlobalXReport7 күн бұрын
@@leroybrownjr Respectfuly you know nothing about what your talking about...
@leroybrownjr7 күн бұрын
@GlobalXReport i only know foundational black american, you're correct
@GlobalXReport7 күн бұрын
@@leroybrownjr FBAs can't even unify with themselves. They claim 5,110 different lineages 😂😂 Each one has a different storyline, creating a hodgepodge of confusion and foolishness. Steady embarrassing yourselves and your ancestors in every way possible. Slavery and colonization caused FBAs to reject themselves and their roots. Lost souls, but Pan-Africanism will save the day best believe it.... ✊🏿👀😭🤣 ❤🖤💚
@begging4music10 күн бұрын
@iMWiL! This is a bit of a sidestep from the topic here; I recently had a weird conversation with a coworker. We discussed Mexico. My understanding is, the United States government has had some hand in Mexico's economic struggles. Am I wrong? Please let me know if I am. I can't find anything online about it. I'm guessing I'm looking in the wrong places. Please 🙏🏾 share what you know about any interference with Mexico's growth and well being. 🌄🌉
@imixwhatilikejaredball10 күн бұрын
I am no expert but CAFTA and NAFTA alone prove the U.S. stays in Mexico's economics.