After five years of Boeing ineptitude, why does NASA really need Starliner?

Starliner was supposed to take astronauts to the ISS in 2020! Now, after nearly five years of Boeing ineptitude, why does NASA really need this thing?
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[@jimmyzhao2673]

Ahem,... Don't be trash-talking Boeing, it might be hazardous to your health.

[@NAKEDGARDENER]

One might argue that at this time Boeing IS hazard to everyones health

[@jmwoods190]

It might even make you suicidal!

[@tim1883]

Keep your doors on fellas. They aren't that bad.

[@friendlyone2706]

@@tim1883 Boeing is the rich kid with all the education and opportunities who blew it all on parties. It's the Prodigal Son of space companies who was use to Big Daddy Uncle Sam paying the bills.

[@TubbyJ420]

His eyes will still be wide open and never blink.

[@andrewhillis9544]

STARLINER WAS OBSOLETE BEFORE IT EVEN LEFT THE FACTORY ! ! !

[@andrewbeaumont3864]

Starliner is the last gasp of "Old Space". It's failures are both systemic and endemic.

[@andrewhillis9544]

WHY DO WE NEED STARLINER WHEN DRAGON HAS PROVED THAT IT IS BETTER AND CHEAPER ? ? ?

[@Smiles10130]

There are 4 crew dragons. So even if one was disabled or destroyed, they have 3 more and one more on the way.

[@Nurse_Diesel]

I worked at Boeing for 18 Years. When they moved their headquarters out of Seattle, everything fell apart.

[@TheAngryAstronaut]

Do you think that the move to SC to hobble the union caused most of the damage?

[@jeebusk]

nah it was already falling apart, that was just to rub it in.

[@davidhanna8470]

I first did a big job for Boeing in the 80's. The Boeing Gloves meant your hands in your pants while they built themselves. I also worked on the Wing Machine. I can't believe that rivet gun worked. Lazy and amaxing. The Lazy B.

[@davidhanna8470]

@@TheAngryAstronaut no the Chi-town move did the damage.

[@Nurse_Diesel]

@@TheAngryAstronaut Not sure but when I worked there, they packed up and moved to Chicago. It was a huge company with the feel of a small company until they moved.

[@tomray8765]

Somebody is being paid off.

[@jimmyzhao2673]

Boeing must have heard of the saying, 'Plata o Plomo' Silver or Lead.

[@jtjames79]

​@@jimmyzhao2673 I prefer lead, it's sweeter when you chew it.

[@davidhanna8470]

Can I get some action on that? I raise sheep in deep country. Maybe i could hide a UFO in my barn.

[@davidhanna8470]

Demons say,"feathers or lead".

[@surferdude4487]

It may still happen that Starship launches men into orbit before Starliner.

[@andrewhillis9544]

STARLINER IS A FLYING COFFIN DUMPSTER ! ! !😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@tomparmenter8665]

I'm glad I'm not flying on that rocket given Boeing record lately!

[@tscchope]

They better have a crew dragon on stand-by to mount a rescue mission.

[@jeebusk]

you could always take your chances on one of their jets 😅

[@andrewhillis9544]

STARLINER IS GOING NOWHERE FAST ! ! !

[@johnstewart579]

Thank you Jordan. Looking forward to Dream Chaser launch

[@johnfrisbie5613]

Yep Dreamchaser is where it's at!

[@carlosguevara5154]

we need a secrect word for boeing.. just to keep us safe lol

[@arbigdog73]

Aero-plop.

[@douglasstrother6584]

Springsound

[@randallbevansr5200]

Brocktoon

[@ArthurPaliden]

Starliner, as with all government projects, is required for the votes, jobs, that it generates across the US. Getting a working space launch system out of the project is just a benefit.

[@allanchurm]

perfect post..

[@berticusmaximus8381]

Well said

[@waynespringer3320]

Glad to see someone understanding the pitfalls of Starliner. Scrap it before someone gets hurt or worse.

[@andrewhillis9544]

THERE'S NO EARTHLY WAY OF KNOWING WHICH WAY THIS STARLINER IS GOING ! ! !

[@Knights_of_Zurg]

Sierra Space's craft Dreamchaser is very cool, and I hope it's successful. I'm rooting for them all to be successful. I especially like Dreamchaser on top of a Falcon-9. That seems like it's a good combination of performance, capability, and reusability.

[@andrewhillis9544]

STARLINER WAS OBSOLETE WHILE IT WAS STILL ON THE DRAWING BOARD ! ! !

[@johnfrisbie5613]

Flying on that thing should be a punishment for crime

[@CyFr]

At this point in time NASA doesnt need starliner, NASA needs the next vehicle that will keep us in space.

[@rinconchuck]

Dream Chaser! Just needs a falcon 9 for a ride!

[@JenniferA886]

PROs = not many CONs = cost, trust with Boeing, dragon works fine

[@stevewalker6936]

I love that Dreamchaser and can’t wait for it to launch.

[@slobodan888]

If it's Boeing, I 'ain't going!

[@executivesteps]

How original. Did you think that up yourself?

[@aaaaa5272]

@@executivesteps 🙂🙂🙂

[@Tek-eo3li]

I can't believe Boeing is being trusted to build a manned spacecraft.

[@TheDavidPoole]

90 mil? There's not even a free bar!

[@sailingfabule1805]

Maybe more room for the legs?

[@andrewhillis9544]

THE INEVITABLE ONGOING STARLINER DEBACLE ! ! !

[@paulhagley359]

Angry be careful I believe another Whistleblower at Boeing has just died

[@mikefeierberg7712]

The purpose of Starliner is to create jobs at ULA and its subcontractors. Whether it carries astronauts to orbit is secondary.

[@BBBrasil]

One thing the Sierra Dream Chaser cannot do that Boing does: provide 35,000 direct jobs + thousands more in indirect supply chain. This is the only metric that matters for the Congress to keep NASA alive.

[@NAKEDGARDENER]

LOL the first time AA has seen blue sky and sunshine in the UK thats funny

[@RavenTD46]

It's been a pretty good few days for weather so far. I probably just put a kiss of death on it.

[@NAKEDGARDENER]

@@RavenTD46Nice to see spring in England. Warming up nicely here too now.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

It wasn’t real, it was blue screen. Ba dum tss I’ll show myself out

[@markbishop4774]

@@c1ph3rpunk after virtually 6 months of non stop rain ANY sun in the UK is a cause for celebration 🥳

[@LindaMadlala]

Starliner is no longer a space mission craft but a congressional jobs program and automatic teller machine for Boeing. NASA is has no say in it, unfortunately. It's utility expired in 2018/19 before it even flew.

[@gi4dtv230]

The government will never drop Boeing, even if there's a catastrophic faulure with starliner with all lives lost. In fact they'll just give them another contract.

[@ndystevens4051]

Careful with Boeing, you might end up in a box. Good to see the UK is treating you to some rare sunshine.

[@rgt4848]

No way I'd go into space inside of one of those things.

[@robertpaulson1058]

The door will probably fly off mid flight

[@jimmyzhao2673]

👀

[@jeebusk]

that would be awkward 😅

[@gregkelly2145]

Elon wanted and had Dragon designed to be capable of propulsive landing. NASA mandated the water landing for Dragon.

[@jeebusk]

interesting

[@jeebusk]

probably just to give starliner a chance 😅

[@andrewhillis9544]

THE WOEING IN BOEING STARLINER-MAX ! ! !

[@markfinch2016]

Starliner is a bit of a White Elephant 🐘

[@metriczeppelin]

That's $35 mil more PER ASTRONAUT! Can we say "price gouging"??

[@mrscottygreenwood]

Complete waste of tax dollars

[@sailingfabule1805]

True. It’s like if Boeing whistleblowers were flying in Boeing airplanes; high death rate. 😜

[@RussianOldSpice]

StarLiner is basically the new Titanic Sub

[@ricksteruk]

OMG Sunshine :) Enjoy it while it lasts mate. You are becoming a true Brit!

[@thomasboese3793]

Absolutely no need for Starliner. What we need is a REUSEABLE vehicle like Dreamchaser.

[@aquanano1]

One benefit I can point out is that Starliner doors and windows are opening much more easier than competition. Who knows, maybe this maybecome important sometime...

[@andrewhillis9544]

THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY TIMES YOU CAN KEEP FLOGGING A DEAD HORSE ! ! !

[@BJARNE-SOLBERG]

Hope they will survive

[@punkypinko2965]

Boeing should change their name to Deathtrap.

[@MrGoesBoom]

They need it cause the people who control their budget told them they do. Man I don't envy those astronauts. Or the people that have to explain why they're going with a contractor that's charging more per seat on a vehicle with such a lousy track record, seriously behind schedule, and from a company with some serious track record issues as well

[@mercerconsulting9728]

Thank you for all your hard work posting these. I will support you financially when I am able, and I apologize for enjoying them for free in the meantime.

[@garystrankman3841]

Love your Dalek voice at the end!!!

[@JenniferA886]

I don’t normally get to the end of most videos

[@brianw612]

We need it because no one wants to tell the guy who dedicated a major portion of his life that he is out of a job, thousands of times over.

[@Togidubnus]

Glad you've been enjoying the weather, AA. For anyone who doesn't live here, the UK weather so far this year has been the most miserable in memory. But finally, the last two days, something you could almost mistake for spring. Perhaps there's a metaphor for Boeing in there somewhere.

[@tomdolan9761]

Another interesting question is that since Elon Musk open sourced the technology to land the first stage of these lift offs and Space X has been doing it for a decade why are these other idiot companies still throwing away perfectly good rocket motors?

[@electricflyer81]

I had a dream last week where the Atlas booster failed much like the Challenger did on launch. I saw the entire craft falling into the ocean. I really hope that this was just a nightmare...

[@downix]

Considering Atlas V has never had a failure, I would say your nightmare is baseless. The last Atlas which failed was an Atlas I, back in 1993, and it still reached orbit, just not the right orbit.

[@dennisdenise1]

I feel the launch will go well. When the capsule is on its own after separation, at that point I’m concerned.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Boeing whistleblowers saving the day again. Hopefully that one didn’t get deleted like the poor guys that have blown the whistle about Boeing’s planes.

[@ryanab01]

They just terminated a second whistleblower.

[@tim1883]

Boeing is going to show you the door...if they can find it.

[@frjoethesecond]

They can't find it. That's why they've started shooting people.

[@JurassicJenkins]

The door is on the ground, the bathroom is on the right.

[@VainerCactus0]

@@JurassicJenkins On the ground in a backyard somewhere.

[@andrewhillis9544]

STARLINER IS JINXED AND A LOST CAUSE ! ! !

[@nzoomed]

Breaking news, launch postponed for safety inspection

[@spacexrocks1041]

The bonus for the CEO of Boeing was $33 million for 2023. Ugh!

[@caclech]

Great video!

[@JenniferA886]

Nice vid AA 👍👍👍

[@craigmackay4909]

Crew rated dreamchaser 👌🏻

[@Smiles10130]

Dream chaser also began in 2010 and recently was finished, so it's not exactly any better than starliner

[@Spherical_Cow]

​@@Smiles10130it would have been finished much sooner, if NASA gave it $4.2 Billion instead of giving it to Boeing...

[@buppie2000]

Yep. I agree.

[@Fatpumpumlovah2]

its not spacex's fault dragon doesnt land on land... It was designed to do this but nasa wanted water landings.

[@brianvanschyndel8686]

Man, Again. I don’t always agree with you. But you are right on the money with this one.

[@markisaac3550]

Thank for info

[@andrewhillis9544]

THE WOEING IN BOEING ! ! !

[@BBBrasil]

TL:DW No need whatsoever, in any case or circumstance. The only cases Jordan made somewhat worth mentioned is 1) manual override controls, as if computers aren't way more precise and fast response than humans, but I have to mention that the enormous amount of software problems made me think the guys at Boing might have known several things we didn't; 2) ISS re-boosting. If this is as important as it sounds, wouldn't be better to make a non-manned module that does exactly that? waaaay cheaper and simpler, no need to support humans inside !

[@andrewhillis9544]

IF AT FIRST YOU DON'T SUCCEED, GIVE UP ! ! !

[@davidberry4256]

Thanks!

[@TheAngryAstronaut]

Thanks so much for your generous support!!

[@nickfutter6544]

AA. Another expert an insightful post. Thank you for your service and pointing out common sense.

[@Absalon68]

You answered your own question about why Starliner is needed by NASA: Readjusting the ISS's orbit. They really don't need it for transportation. They have more than 1 Dragon, and more than 1 Falcon, and there may even be a quick backup rig sitting and waiting in case something goes south, "up there". Depending on a "Questionable Enemy" for transportation or vehicle parts, has Never been any manor of sensible, and NASA knows it. But until Elon comes up with a "Tug" to push the ISS around, Starliner will be used to do that. . . And most likely that will be main and only reason from now on. They'll obviously throw on a few Astronauts and do a station crew swap, but the main reason for flying Starliner instead of Dragon, is to push the ISS back into orbit. . . something that Elon hasn't done just yet. (Star Donkey?? 😁) But, you already know that, right?

[@johnmoruzzi7236]

The Northrop Grumman Cygnus spacecraft can also reposition the ISS... it still runs for NASA to complement the SpaceX Cargo Dragon even though its dedicated Antares launcher is for the moment discontinued...Cygnus has already launched on Atlas V 3 times and now Falcon 9 once ! So that is exactly why they need more than one company and program doing the same thing...

[@andrewhillis9544]

THE WOEING STARLINER ! ! !😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@michaelreid2329]

Hey Angry, thanks for the update. It will be interesting to see how the Dreamchaser heat tiles will handle the hear and stay put, both troublesome issues for Orion and Starship.

[@Lappillainen]

Thanks.

[@markfinch2016]

How do Aliens wash their windows they're always squiky clean 😂

[@c1ph3rpunk]

Inter dimensional paper towels, they exist both inside and outside the craft at the same time, it moves itself.

[@mglenadel]

NASA does not need Starliner. Starliner is the whole reason for the two-company approach to the manned space capsule program: With two, if one f*cks up, there is still another to pick up the slack. Now, NASA would do better with two functional manned launch systems, so, now that they have Crew Dragon, NASA should look into a third option (Sierra Space) to complete the two it originally wanted.

[@moreysamson7424]

Love the new glasses!

[@TalismanPHX]

Jordan, please be careful my friend. Calling out Starliner as garbage, a death trap, and grossly overpriced is not good for your life expectancy, given the recent "untimely deaths" of Boeing 787 whstleblowers. 😮

[@greggweber9967]

One is the primary, and the other is the backup. When assuming it becomes available, the cheaper ride IMHO should be the primary, and the expensive ride should become the backup if really needed. There might be some minimum launches in the original contract, which would force expensive launches within a time limit.

[@OliverGrumitt]

Incredible the U.S. landed men on the Moon only 9 years from the beginning of Apollo, but Boeing, a very important and big aerospace company, cannot after 7 years or so, seems incapable of sending a spacecraft into mere low Earth orbit. I would not be surprised when the next launch attempt takes place, the headlines will read something like this - “New problems with Starliner that have cropped up have forced the postponement of the first flight until next year.” It is a headline that has come so familiar in the past few years. Of course, the next launch attempt may go very well and Starliner’s problems will finally be behind it. But it is also possible Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse may become U.S. President before a Starliner flight actually takes place! The 2 astronauts are showing a lot of courage in flying the Starliner and I pray and hope their courage and patience waiting to fly will be rewarded with a safe and successful flight. I think mere mortals would not dare fly Starliner under any circumstances whatsoever.

[@executivesteps]

And in current dollars, how much was spent in those 7 years?

[@lyleshoostine1683]

About Starliner:Did you notice the metal headrest? How that can be safe for one's head? Lots of metal, doesn't look too safe. Go Dreamchaser!!

[@notapplicable2636]

Not to even mention the fact that the "seats" are really just 3D printed plastic too against a metal backing

[@ReiseLukas]

​@@notapplicable2636 the seats on the U.S.S Enterprise from Star Trek were safer than that, and people died falling off those 😂

[@jtjames79]

I got to sit in an SR-71. They use similar technology with pilots in basically spacesuits. The seats are built into the suits. The helmet is the headrest.

[@notapplicable2636]

@@jtjames79 that can't be good...

[@jtjames79]

@@notapplicable2636 Everyone does it that way. SpaceX uses a single piece of custom carbon fiber.

[@swissbiggy]

Is this the back engineered UAP technology you always talk about Jordan ? Great stuff 😉✌

[@andrewhillis9544]

POLY TICKS ! ! !

[@jmf5246]

Solid rocket boosters should never be used on manned flights.

[@spleefthedude7747]

So they’re actually trying to put people in it!?!?

[@Ron4885]

Yeah. It's a scary thought. I wouldn't do it. I'm serious, I wouldn't do it.

[@rozzgrey801]

It will be crewed with Boeing whistleblowers.

[@jeebusk]

​@@rozzgrey801lmao

[@VainerCactus0]

@@rozzgrey801 I don't think there are any left honestly.

[@Agent77X]

NASA awarded Boeing almost 2 times the money to develop an ISS vehicle as Space X and NASA wants it to be a success!😊

[@Asterra2]

Not to mention the fact that Boeing's Starliner pricetag was already more than 60% more expensive than SpaceX's Crew Dragon. Not to mention the additional $287 million NASA handed over to Boeing before the Inspector General caught on and put a dead stop to _that_ grift. Let's run the numbers: If they send, say, 16 total astronauts up on Starliner (calling it three flights in total), each of those seats actually cost NASA $208 million, or 278% more than what SpaceX charges, or *ONE-HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE MILLION DOLLARS MORE THAN SPACEX'S 55 MILLION.*

[@andrewhillis9544]

BOEING = WOEING ! ! !

[@jamiesnow2670]

Amen I think

[@andrewhillis9544]

I THOUGHT 3D PRINTING WAS GOING TO MAKE MANUFACTURING ROCKETS AND SPACECRAFT CHEAPER ? ? ?

[@Smiles10130]

It's the bureaucracy at boeing that is the problem and the cost. No iterative design.

[@VainerCactus0]

Not if Boeing has anything to say about it. They just won't use 3d printing.

[@andrewhillis9544]

STARLINER IS JUST ANOTHER BORING TIN CAN CAPSULE ! ! !

[@joeker1013]

NASA planned for two capsules just in case something went wrong with one. And it looks like NASA was quite right to do that. NASA doesn't get enough credit for that.

[@andrewhillis9544]

THAT AFT SKIRT ATTACHED TO THE STARLINER SERVICE MODULE LOOKS REALLY UGLY & UN-AERODYNAMIC & MAKES THE WHOLE VEHICLE LOOK VERY KERBAL & KLUDGED TOGETHER FROM JUNKYARD/SCRAPYARD PARTS ! ! !😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@randynelson2265]

The Starliner is all polotical. If I recall properly, the Crew Dragon was origanly designed to land on land using the draco engines. But NASA insested on water landingd.

[@yumenokoyume]

Yeah. Technically, Dragon can do a reboost and land on land if they just let SpaceX do it. Elon Musk already said it but NASA is not interested. Maybe because, it will be the end of Starliner if they ask SpaceX to do that

[@arthurhamilton5222]

No. The water landing was the first landing qualification. The propulsive landing was to take 2 years after water qualification. NASA insisted on a redesign so that the legs does not pop through the heat shield. SX management decided that water landing was good enough, since, Orion was doing it, too. So, SX invested the money into it's Superheavy booster and Starship program.

[@bigianh]

Blue Sky & Sunshine are rare commodities here in the UK ;) They should have gone with Dreamchaser *Shrug*

[@sherbournesubwaymess]

Why isn't he wearing his trademark shades?

[@Andrew-Kerr]

He’s in Britain now. Over here, sunglasses are something you buy cheap from the petrol station shop on that one summer day that looks like it might turn a bit sunny later on, and then you lose them or leave them in your car’s glovebox (the place where Americans usually keep their gun!) in hope that they’ll still be there when you need them again sometime the following summer!

[@zafod101]

Still no UFO technology

[@jaytc3218]

Godspeed, Capricorn One!🤣