Age of Empires 4 1v1 - Are Camel Archers Viable?

[@hatimzeineddine8723]

the dedication to actually *write down* what you did wrong after a match, respect

[@menowno3122]

Camel archers are expensive... Lots of hp, short range, fast shooting Long bow man counter them hard But 1v1 with these nations u need Camel archers

[@Murtage33e]

Coming from aoe 2 and playing 4, I think all the mounted archer units in 4 are going to be viable, strong units. The ability to choose engagements and the high damage output is nice. It's interesting to see them restricted to so few civs.

[@krystof5271]

Do only abbs and Mongols have them?

[@davidlubkowski7175]

@@krystof5271 Rus too

[@NotFlappy12]

I watched Boit cast this one live, nice to see it from your perspective too

[@austinwirtz2434]

In regards to what I think you mean about it being hard to manage buildings in this game, I think we need select all hot keys for the different types of production. As in select all archer production or all cavalry production etc. Specifically all buildings capable of making those types of units rather than just select all ranges or stables since sometimes units can be made out of landmarks as well.

[@rintv3675]

I hope they add it into the game eventually. You can already "see" some of it in the options, but they can't be changed. Feels so weird.

[@asch220]

Yeah keybinds/options in general feel lack luster atm. Hope they prioritize this for release

[@paulrevere7287]

i dont even play this game but i like aussie drongo videos, so why not

[@Milidious]

Same

[@Iam1nsane]

That town centre bell music will give me PTSD for sure.

[@bucketcart826]

love the aoe4 content keep it up brother!

[@aslof1069]

I have an idea, when units turn back (give their back or receive damage from behind) they should take 1.5 extra damage. It would make the game more challenging and more punishing for the ones who are retreating.

[@Muenni]

10:45 Why retreat here? You've got the counter to his archers right in front of him, but retreat and wait for the camel buff. By that time, he's got his archers covered again - the roadblock you just removed while under the archers fire. You even give him time to amass the camel archers with that move. Maybe I totally misjudge this, but would you not gain more by pressing the advantage, at least up to his base, where you could destroy forward buildings like those archery ranges? You'd be much better at burning those down than his archers and camels are at taking out your barracks.

[@peterlustig4500]

Hey thanks for you Age4 content, I really enjoy it. I have a general question - I hope it is okay to ask - is there some kind of a rule of thump when it is the right time to buy the economic upgrades for food/gold etc.? Is there a rule I can follow to know when to buy these military upgrades? (I mean all these upgrades are even more expensive if I am not playing abbasid).

[@derkreuzritter6789]

I'm no pro or high level player, but from watching videos it seems like you should be buying eco upgrades after your first landmark, and mil upgrades around the time both players will start making units. This probably changes depending on your strategy, and the map and civs

[@Wibdrac]

Ok as someone who love the game and spent nearly few hours sleeping during bêta and most time playing tell us Drongo, how do you get this replays ? Did you keep some game to cast for us after the bêta or do some of you still have access to it ?

[@turnspender7651]

This is not replay, just a recorded part of his Twitch stream. You can visit his channel (and others) to view games like this!

[@app2530]

probably recorded with some screen capture program like obs

[@Theehtlam66]

The abbasid music are some absolute jams!

[@FrostyBud777]

Archers cant kil buildings well. Make outposts and put your own archers in them. They will fire at the camels giving them damage while they will be safe in the tower not receiving damage...

[@justbull6841]

You are correct in your assessment of messing up your macro, but you also failed to start sieging. You had begun construction of battering rams that you stopped for some reason. You could have planned for some artillery to counter his kiting play ( He was forcing you to engage by ranging you ). You didn't have the time to produce enough archers to counter his Cav.Archer mass so that move was a waste of resources. Hell, pushing with MAA and Stone Walling would buy you time even.

[@leonardoaquino3669]

bolt casted this one and pointed out you could have made some siege mangos against him

[@DiscipleKnight1010]

Yeah infantry + siege are solid

[@app2530]

I feel like a defensive tower slightly behind the barracks wouldve given you space to group those rallying man at arms together, or would that take too many resources or something?

[@floydkershner6591]

With this map there is limited fish. So is there a best practice on the number of fishing boats?

[@wsumiehaczyk]

Can i play aoe 4 now? Or is that movies from technical stress test few days ago?

[@latbat58]

do you think they will add aussies as a civ?

[@ttkb9620]

aoe4 should have camera location and fully customizable hotkeys.

[@Andyyyx13]

its annoy have an customizable mouse (i have a logitech G502 proteus) and can't customize my hotkeys for TC, iddle villagers, etc 😑

[@Twitch.tvslurrydps]

Did you see the AOE staff latest video answering the FAQ's. Looks like they are gonna focus on the competitive scene which really makes me froth.

[@bobpope3656]

My bung hole is frothing already

[@Schnitzelklopfer]

Most of the time i have no idea which faction you are playing. Why is there no faction icon?

[@BNuttSack]

Aoe 4 looks much more inviting than aoe 2. I didn't grow up with aoe 2 so it's always weird dipping my toes in it, kinda overwhelming late game especially

[@feijida8841]

Without the snare mechanism in aoe 3, ranged cavalry units will be kiting like crazy.

[@hiran4935]

I play both aoe 2 and 3 and honestly don't like the snare effect. It slows down the whole pack while micro-ing. It's good that they went with aoe 2 style

[@caxopog]

But kiting units are expensive - as a result, you can counter them with cheap archers.

[@Kebab_with_extra_garlic_mayo]

You wall between the forest line but cant units go through the forest?

[@adrianhirst484]

Units can only enter forests that have large gaps between each tree. Only some forests are like that and only on some maps

[@Tiogar60]

not through deep forest. it's kinda ironic that Black forest has 0 hideable tree areas

[@huberteichson8304]

@@Tiogar60 True, they should add a couple on this map, here you have a possibility to set up an ambush due to the small routes between everything.

[@Your_comment_is_good]

Great game, enjoyable watch

[@cherryscarlett]

_if there are any expert archers (if this auxiliary unit is ever seen as necessary, in case of a total breach of borders by the Z-Horde..) only go to battlefield mounted.. camels are viable for the desert, if they can sprint to not be devoured by the horde.. horses may be too delicate for the desert, since they need water that may not be enough.. horses could be great for transport from water spot to water spot, just for travel, but only useful in battle if in large formations, with a weapon like spears, lance or halberd, even battle-axes, but never against enemy tribes.. horses get scared by those.._ *Don't go to the siege, as infantry archer.. only mounted archer ♐ is viable, to fire back at the Horde while running away from it* If you fight in open field, you are practically doomed, unless there are many other infantry lines nearby to provide defense front.. only in urban, residential or jungles are you deadly (on foot), and those areas have already been cleared*

[@Spar605]

Will my woodline ever return from war?

[@GadBoDag]

More like spammel archers

[@영화일번지]

It's frustrating. If I were a shield soldier or a ballista, I would win.

[@Maggifix00]

name of the autro song?

[@Maggifix00]

into the void - streambeats by harris heller

[@elis7393]

I don't need it. I don't need it. I definitely don't need it.

[@aaltra101]

You'll pre-order it eventually

[@sohamdas6401]

Drongo is soo used to snaring in aoe 3

[@h3egypt]

Very good with camels and spears

[@davidlubkowski7175]

i dont understand why you kept using the same startegy of infantry against archers lmao

[@koroshiya978]

Like a lot of people jumping into AOE 4 they overrate the higher pierce armor thinking he's safe now that he's "only" taking one damage. 1 damage might not seem like a lot but it's one damage with auto hit arrows so a big blob of range trash with good focus fire will chunk anything that enters into range.

[@orkhepaj]

shouldn't build the whole strategy on armorer camel

[@daleeps]

they gotta remove that bell

[@영화일번지]

답답하네요. 방패병사, 발리스타 위주로 가면 이길텐데

[@sarangkulkarni4963]

where are no skirmishers in aoe 4 ? how to counter archers then

[@robnorby6359]

With cav

[@CrizzyEyes]

Archers counter archers, apparently. There's also always mangonels.

[@sarangkulkarni4963]

@@robnorby6359 i tried

[@caxopog]

MAA and cavarly. Arhcers here are almost equal to skirms in AoE2

[@FrostyBud777]

Mangonels kill archers good.

[@angrypepecancer5205]

That's allot of sheep

[@akashpm5350]

We need skirmishes in aoe4 to remove them was not a great idea hope they will add them in the future otherwise archers are op..I kinda felt like this kinda annoying when they withdraw and hit..

[@Anttown123]

Archers are skirms in this. Did u even play the game?

[@akashpm5350]

@@Anttown123 nope I didn't play the beta but do u think archers have bonus damage against archers themselves

[@jackogoeswacko4smackos]

@@akashpm5350 archers do bonus damage to lightly armored units, which includes other archers and crossbows

[@akashpm5350]

@@jackogoeswacko4smackos oh didn't know that 👍

[@caxopog]

yea, in aoe4 archers = skirmishers and crossbowmen = archers

[@qasioun296]

Aoe 3 is better

[@dafudge7091]

1st

[@matthiasdarrington3271]

I think AOE2 has better strategy and micro.

[@ritwikreddy5670]

People have started playing it, strategies will develop when more people play it since there is nothing restricting from strategies.

[@matthiasdarrington3271]

@@ritwikreddy5670 my comment is based on the fact that this game is much faster than Aoe2, a bit like aoe3 is. Because of that, it leaves less time intervals to strategize and move units compared to just production

[@matthiasdarrington3271]

Also it is impossible to kill a villager in age 1 in this game. The TC is far too strong in attack

[@caxopog]

@@matthiasdarrington3271 you just compare 10+ years old AoE2 and beta of AoE4. Everything could be balanced. Also, i agree that TC are too strong early ages. Maybe devs should lower it's damage and add an upgrade to increase it in, for example, castle age.

[@magnus-carlson]

Pls back to aoe3 I didn't like this game

[@hardlyyr6739]

try to learn smthin new

[@gangreneday]

I don’t like this comment.

[@annguyenlehoang7779]

Its his channel he upload what he want

[@NotFlappy12]

he'll have to go back to aoe 3 soon, the aoe 4 beta has ended. Although he probably has a few more saved up

[@FredrikGelin]

I was a huge skeptic at first of AOE4, but after playing the stress test i can't get enough of it now. Having withdrawals from not being able to play it T_T