Age of Mythology Retold: Updated Tier List!

[@gordinidobi]

I am so glad you qualified! I loved the hoplite marathon into win in game 4. Hoping for the best in the main event for you

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thank you so much!

[@PeicongLi]

Congrats Magic! You have always been the most patient and friendly top player, you really taught me a lot!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks man!

[@aeonstar293]

To whom it may concern: Fix my Isis!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Amen

[@jacobvanwinkle8692]

Kindly make elephants overpowered. Thanks

[@BVasquezp]

Tusks of apedemak should really unlock AoE for elephants

[@JD-dg1kj]

Increase empowered monument heal. It really is an awesome mechanic but a bit weak. +100% maybe.

[@codyestes6596]

Make that Eggy in general 🌧️🌈🙏

[@Kestral287]

I love that your tier lists actually have a real distribution, rather than everyone at S, A, or D. It makes these so much more informative when there isn’t a ton of excessive hype and nonsense 'this is unplayable' arguments.

[@exanimato6586]

That's because most people DON'T know how to make a tier list, or how they're supposed to work. Some may clearly say that one thing is better than the other in everything, and still put them in the same tier S instead of moving the worse one to A.

[@kalorathekau]

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts! I always enjoy hearing how the Major Gods are thought of by high-level players, and why we see the picks that we do. It's a very different world from how I play the game, at a lower skill level ;P

[@banana_hammock11]

Congrats on qualifying! Rooting for you to win it all

[@AlexCoopa]

Well done Magic! Routing for you from the UK 🇬🇧

[@FaStNito]

Congrats Magic! I would've shown you some S tier Isis in our games if you didn't ban it yesterday 😤

[@IamMagicAOM]

Hahaha

[@LeclipsChannelAK]

Rooting for you!! I am a new viewer but i love your videos and although i missed day 1 of egc i am watching vod with friend and we are both anticipating footage of your game. Lots of love and support for all the info and explanations.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Appreciate the love!

[@kaname110]

Congrats on the qualification! Amazing matches Magic!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks mate!

[@taklee375]

I really enjoyed your games yesterday. Good luck with the future games and thanks for the vid!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks mate

[@Pyromaniac77777]

These are just so informative, I always learn something

[@antonioiborra8]

amazing video as always, now I'll start watching it

[@tobuu2326]

Glad you qualified. Was an intense series!

[@gabrielsantana3861]

Congrats for your qualifier!!!

[@IamMagicAOM]

thanks mate!

[@solidarityced9210]

Congrats bro gl on the rest of the tournament

[@Makiaveliiste]

Thank you for your channel, it's the most informative I've encountered ! Are there other informative channels about age of mythology retold like yours ?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Lots of em, boit, Mista just started a channel, rapl, recon, nakamura, fitzbro and I’m sure I’m forgetting a ton of people

[@latschoDiewes]

You had me sweating for a few minutes during the final matches vs kimo. Great games!

[@giulianomellizo2473]

Excuse me brother, where can I watch this matches and the qualifiers in general? Thanks in advance.

[@webbowser8834]

Taking a set against Kimo is no mean feat. Well done mate! I can't help but feel like if Ra was getting carried *that* hard by electrum + slings of the sun, there wouldn't be such a gulf between Set and Ra, because Set is perfectly capable of doing similar infantry focused strats (arguably a bit better with the barracks bonuses he gets). I also think that Oranos' map presence makes him a pretty easy pick for S tier because not only is he unraidable, his murmilo get a move speed bonus which is massive and his army can be literally anywhere. You can't even safely take down sky passages because you never know when an entire army might just pop into existence and destroy you. Map control is really really good in this game and Oranos is uncontested in that regard.

[@FinalCurse]

congrats for playing btw!

[@IamMagicAOM]

thanks!

[@FinalCurse]

@@IamMagicAOM placing** sorry typo. thank you for replying to comments aswel. i'm new to aom retold and I have so much questions for in the future haha

[@bstress]

Aom Tier list 2: Electrum Boogaloo!

[@IamMagicAOM]

hah

[@rwagingsloth9528]

thoughts before watching compared to the last tier list video- im expecting gaia and ra moved up the most, while Set/isis suffer the most. Norse continue to be strong, thor moving up now that people have learned, with greeks taking the middle of the pack. Atlanteans, i think kronos is suffering(?) but Ouranos continues to do well. after watching- I forgot freyr existed. Kronos and Set thoughts i appreciate specifically, pointed out a couple things i hadn't considered. 21:40 "With electrum bullets you're going to have a little bit more functioning of a civilization". damn, the truth hurts.....i enjoyed the video, best of luck in the tournament!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Nice predictions!

[@QuangNguyen-ep6mx]

I am guilty as charged, I only play Ra+Electrum Bullets nowadays

[@IamMagicAOM]

:@

[@sergeychovban6612]

900 elo gaiming?

[@oponomo]

I'm 1 hour late to the party! the party of great content. GJ on qualify my man!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Thanks for the support!

[@AnkaraAnkaraMessiMessiMessi]

I remember the last tier list you made and the predictions were 100% correct from what i remember: Set nerf + rise of Atlanteans. Shockwave could be best god power in the game (or one of the best) by the simple fact that is sooo spamable compared to others. Yes theres others that deal more damage but you get them bit late. Shockwave is avialable at the very beggining. As lot of people say, Egyptians need something to be consistent bc here we have the same situation with Set previously: Relying on a very specific tech, god power, etc to keep up in the meta. Tehy should recieve the Gaia treatment in a way. In Norse wars Loki could be borderline OP since his higher multipliers. On top of it he has access to flaming weapons. That is craaaazy. Im interested to know how Thor/Odin players handle this match up. Dont think is unwinable but its tricky since you are bit on a disadvantange damage wise. Im glad to see that Greeks are not that super strong, leave them just a solid civs. They are supposed to be late game powerhouses. Sarissa Hoplites are amazing cuz they get extra range so they dont suffer a lot from bodyblock and can deal more damage in choke points as you said and if you are Zeus hoplites melt buildings and with 4.8 speed they are as fast as a Berserker with no speed upgrades. My fav unit by far. And finally, congrats king.

[@amadeopascoe7971]

I’m no pro (1300 elo) but I play Odin and when I go up against a Loki, you can normally go freeze and hold it for the flaming weapons, but yes, Loki is tough in Norse wars

[@IamMagicAOM]

nice post, thanks mate!

[@ДмитроСоколенко-й7б]

Games with Kimo were amazing, congratz!

[@Stuff8522]

Throwaway comment because it might not be that big of a deal. Sarrissa Spear from Athena make it so Hoplites can attack through walls. I just thought that was a neat little detail.

[@Mazzarin7]

I've been trying to play Isis and honestly I think that her and Anubis deserves some buffs, allowing Isis to be a better Favor/Myth unit oriented God since early game

[@johnarbiter]

We have a really similar tier list! Loving the content magic.

[@sebastianheselaars4315]

Congrats on qualifying, where can I find the brackets or information on the tournament?

[@IamMagicAOM]

liquipedia.net/ageofempires/Genesis_Retold Here ya go

[@civ-fanboy2137]

I always hear "Lowkey" :D Good video

[@edmis90]

Ra and Gaia being S tier after being bottom tier earlier.. Did devs go overboard with balancing? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@IamMagicAOM]

They buffed electrum bullets too hard, I think that’s the majority of its s tier appeal

[@ZazeH]

Gaia is s tier. Ra isnt. Ra has a single good unit with a certain upgrade. No Midgol Unit focus for ra is just a crime in my opinion. Everything else for egypt is kinda bad compared to the other factions

[@edmis90]

@@ZazeH You said exactly the same that Magic did, except you don't rate Ra S-Tier. What's the difference between a god being strong for 1 reason or for 100 reasons? I feel like you're conflating design or fun or something else with strength and performance. Having said that, in Genesis Retold qualifiers both - Ra and Gaia - had very negative winrates, I feel like Magic might have gotten some things quite wrong.

[@MrLakislazopoulos]

​@@ZazeH+15% hp on all migdol units is strong enough. Going for crocodile god plus Osiris will get you the second best cavalry (camel rider) unit in the game too (behind hetairos)

[@Paddythelaad]

The game is only 2 months old, I wouldn't be surprised if people solve matchups, soon. Possibly even race-wide solutions if it doesn't rely on a minor god. I have some suspicions but I don't want to ruin the game/meta. Overall I am very happy with the game, I'm having great fun, it's got a lot of variety and decent balance considering. For the amount of asymmetry it has I wouldn't be surprised if it was very very hard to balance. That's exactly the sort of thing I have always thought about. In theory Oranos sky passage has massive potential, never mind that Atlanteans have counter units in Classical and can promote anything into a hero any time. I wouldn't be shocked if Oranos can be piloted to 100% winrate, vs all the Greek gods at least. Possibly the case for all Atlanteans. Even just with Turma Murmilo you can beat all Greek Classical options. Arguably just with Turma and kiting back to your TC.

[@pierer91]

Playing v oranos doesn't even feel like AOM anymore. Sky passages are beyond busted, you can't even block a citizen going in it because they can jump in it from miles away.

[@Genrobi]

I finally just beat a professional electron bullet 🆎user with my Isis: fh ancestor eclipse with priest + siege + camels + scorpion men. It may be a coincidence but I feel I outplayedb him with this strategy. Most satisfying win after a 8 loss streak with Isis 😊

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

I think Isis is really held back by the existence of Anc/Ec. This one great timing attack she can do causes her to really miss out in the bonus department because people are wary of improving other aspects of her. And because it is still the strongest option, it really pushes her towards Bast and Nephtys. Now these are two nice minor gods in their own right, but Anubis and Hathor really receive the short end of the stick there. In mythic I think the choices are better, valley of the kings and meteor are great for timing, while Osiris is nice for camels and having multiple pharaos can do wonders for empowering a front monument. (The monument empower mechanic directly competes with valley of the kings for your one pharao.) I like repeatedly deleting the cheapest monument and moving it with my army, to empower it and shield against stuff like frost, shockwave, chaos and so on. But of course that kinda doesn't do a lot when your ordinary army loses to your enemy's ordinary army even without them having to resort to GPs for it. And then Eclipse was also nerfed from its past iterations, from +50% damage to +20%, from -50% special ability recharge to -40%, and them some more stuff. It only received some minor % of extra armor. I wish Ancestor-minions were just less affected by eclipse so anc/ec wouldn't be so strong, which would allow both eclipse to be better and Isis to receive some other buffs. But that's just one of so many Egy/Isis nerfs. Minions were nerfed, dealing less damage to heroes and moving slower. But then, mercenaries were doubly nerfed too: Instead of the death-timer, they lose HP each seconds, which is far worse as it means they easily die in combat. Medjay was removed, so they cannot be used offensively anymore either. Flood of the nile, that already gives less per second of a worse resource than vaults of erebus, was made more expensive. Rocs were nerfed a lot, while that's probably good (roc-jumping of catapults was obnoxious), it's another nerf on the list. Serpent spear one could argue if it was nerfed, I would say it kind of was - instead of extra base damage that'd get multiplied, and works vs buildings, you get 0.75 damage spread over 6 seconds, that only works vs units and doesn't multiply. Meanwhile, spear of phobos gives +1 divine straight to the hoplite base damage - working vs buildings and multipliers. And the hoplite is already a much superior unit.

[@IamMagicAOM]

really enjoyed reading that, thanks!

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

@@IamMagicAOM

[@pierer91]

Make eclipse not affect ancestors and boost isis in other ways. Its a cheese strat anyway

[@14pat78]

im so hangover and ready to watch this shit

[@AMDGBananaBen]

Just goes to show after some big nerfs/buffs those civs who were kind of struggling can now can compete at the top level (Thor,Ra,Gaia). I could already kind of see it after the first Gaia buff, with slowing down the game slightly and also buffing their human units that Atlanteans in general would be a strong pick. Also, I'm sure those who follow Magic probably already know this but a tier list is a perceived strength and (generally speaking) with a competitive focus. In Magic's hands he could probably win with most of these civs, whereas for me as a mid level and more casual player these days, there will be no free wins even if I play with the S tier picks. It will probably be easier for sure but the strategies/ideas are only as strong as the user =)

[@TombstoneThe]

ive been playing less AoM lately because i only wanna play Hades (im just boring and like archers) but i kept hearing he was OP so i felt like i was playing with a crutch. seeing a #1 guy put him in B tier makes me feel better

[@vinconssier4224]

thank you king

[@Paddythelaad]

I suspect Greek might not be competitive at high level soon, for awhile. Tiny sample data but if you filter to 1750+ elo games the 3 Greek gods are at the bottom together all 33% win rate. It doesn't rly mean anything but I suspect it might be signs of how things will trend high level considering some of the Greek limitations. Though there is a lot of potential to them too to explore and solve things (hippeus being faster than their counters dynamic when hunting Oracles etc), the game is far from solved.

[@MrLakislazopoulos]

At the very least, Myrmidons and Gastraphoretes needs a massive buff. And Argive Patronage is toooooo slow

[@thembones1895]

Great video. One comment, Ra at S? idk man, his win rate is still pretty low even at higher ELO. Agree EB slingers are good, but that's all Ra has. Ra does not have any other particularly good unit or build. God powers are meh too. I use Ra a good amount at high-mid ELO and it is always such a struggle. May get the W, but it is just exhausting to play. Playing other gods just feel easier as they are more well rounded/have more to offer I find. Assuming Ra barracks path of Ptah/sekhmet/ horus, (which is the only competitive way you can play RA..) I would put him at most at mid A Tier. Which is still a crazy jump from his previous position of dumpster, pre EB change. Congrats btw on the qualification!

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah that is arguable a lot of top guys put him high A tier or S, I think he’s somewhere in between there probably but in a draft scenario he’s so versatile I’d give him an S

[@TheWintersDragon]

I really hope they don't touch Gaia for a while; she seems to be best in terms of balance while being in S-tier compared to the other two who are S-tier because of how broken they are. Maybe look at her again when they buff Leto and Rheia; otherwise, I would leave her alone

[@Eliminator1900]

What is your opinion in regard of the throwing axemen (with upgrades) that melt down buildings?

[@IamMagicAOM]

A bit too much imo

[@rafaelfreitasmusic]

Congrats on qualifying, and great video! A question coming from a Gaia main: how can Gaia counter Loki? I have basically 100% loss against Loki right now. Eyes of the forest + berserks + semifast heroic get me every time and I can’t figure out what to do. 1250-1300 ELO. Thanks!

[@IamMagicAOM]

you can do some nice pressure early on with bite of the shark murms and some turma, try to deny them off key resources but be careful with your army. after that going theia gives you great bonuses, the birds are a pain to deal with for loki and the birds do great vs myth units, the dryads are cheap and add a lot of hp to your army, i'd also make some contarious and start raiding a bit once you hit heroic once the game gets going you need to make lots of arcus and have a very nicely defended base with lots of choke points and towers/palaces, the only thing that you really need to do in the mid game is survive his flaming weapons push, if your army is in the middle of the map you can kind of run away, if your army is at home you need lots of towers/choke points in the mythic age one strong implode can finish off his entire army. I had a gaia vs thor game on my channel if you wanna check that out, it's kind of similar

[@rafaelfreitasmusic]

@@IamMagicAOM thank you so much! I’ll definitely try that and watch that video!

[@toufexisk]

A small request, would it be possible to get some playlists going? As the videos in the channel multiply its getting harder to rewatch things I want to remember/refresh. For example we could have a playlist with all the build orders. It seems like Egys need a core buff so that they wont have to rely on a single tech or GP to be competitive. What would you say this buff is? Cheaper untis and less pop? Stronger Untis? It seems like cheaper is on the same theme for Egys

[@IamMagicAOM]

Sure let me work on that later this week!

[@toufexisk]

@@IamMagicAOM thanks!

[@NotFlappy12]

I personally think electrum are only a little bit too strong. Nerfing the divine damage to 0.5 would probably completely reduce slingers back to a niche anti archer unit. A better nerf might be increasing their attack delay to 1.5, from 1, and increasing their base damage accordingly. This would effectively reduce the divine damage by 25%, plus more damage lost due to over killing, especially against low health targets. Maybe that's a dumb idea though, and it should just be 0.75 divine damage instead

[@LoveReacts]

I’m not very good at the game so my opinion is worth nuk, but to me that attack delay nerf sounds perfect.

[@MrAbgeBrandt]

I'll copy my comment from another comment: I feel like slingers are so crap, that even +1 divine damage and +75% vs infantry doesn't massively overtune them, just bring them to a very good level. But the difference in performance is so striking that Set will never go Anubis and Ra never go Bast anymore. Here's what I would do: +1 base pierce damage for slingers, change Ptah tech back to +15% damage. This would make slingers more viable for all Egyptian gods, and while they'd still be worst for Isis without the +15% and the +75% bonus damage, they'd be useable. And Ra + Set could go for their other minor classical god without feeling that they miss out too much. And the people fighting these slingers wouldn't have their counters (cavalry) beaten in unexpected circumstances when the +1 divine kicks in too much.

[@jackskellingtonsora]

The problem with Isis, and Egyptian in general, is that Migdol units are absurdly weak. They've always been weak and it's basically impossible to do anything as Egypt. That's why divine damage on slingers gives Egypt at least something, ANYTHING, to make them viable. Because without that they've just got nothing and die every game.

[@MrLakislazopoulos]

Chariot archers are uber units.

[@jackskellingtonsora]

@@MrLakislazopoulos They really aren't. They die immediately to anything that counters cav OR archers. And they don't have the dps to actually do anything meaningful before they die. I know, I play Egypt all the time. I used to go mass chariots, until they died to everything all the time.

[@mrshaw5006]

Boit T.V did a video explaining why slingers aren't that unbalanced, any thoughts on that Magic? I mean, they're strong but it's about the only good Egyptian unit no? Everything else gets countered so hard.

[@IamMagicAOM]

I agree with them being the only real standout Egyptian unit, but that just means the Egyptian units need a little bit of help. If you look at almost any Egyptian war right now, the only unit you need to make is slingers, it's completely removed unit diversity from the game

[@MrGeorge102]

Is yr thor build still viable after the nerfs or still its good?

[@IamMagicAOM]

I have to do a new one

[@AHaber007]

Are there any news on a new balance patch?

[@IamMagicAOM]

im sure they're working on it!

[@AHaber007]

@@IamMagicAOM Okay thanks

[@luciogames9243]

Why does the tier list maker still have the old thor art? It gives me anxiety that no one changes it lol. Good video btw.

[@ChosenPL]

Do you also think that worst match-up for Ra (other egyptians aswell) is Poseidon? Difficult to stop this early cavalry with those poor spearmen due to low multiplier against cavalry (later with upgrades is a bit better)

[@IamMagicAOM]

I think so too, greek do very well vs egyptians

[@МартинМиленов-ч9ю]

Gaia from Legacy rejoices

[@lukablesic8617]

I think Odin is still S tier despite the nerfs. Freya is really strong goddess and Njord and Skadi are still strong.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Odins become a bit map/match up dependant now, in a draft scenario you need to be careful with using him imo

[@jackroper1848]

I'm intrigued at your Ra placement. Ra was 42-44% before people caught onto slingers. It then shot up to 58% for around a week or so, it then tapered back down to 49%. Meaning for that week Ra's winrate was probably around 45% to drop it down to 49%. I guess I'm just confused when 6 gods have objectively better win rates at 15+ yet we are saying Ra is S tier? I get we can have different takes from our own gameplay compared to the playerbase. Interestingly at 175+ Ra's winrate is 42% (given it is a rather small sample size). I think Ra was S tier for that first week, then people turned their brains back on, which is why we witnessed Ra quickly fall to 7th place at 15+ winrates.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Hi there, thanks for the write up Remember this tier list is based on tournaments not ladder, we’re talking about top 16 not 1500+, I think there’s a massive difference between a top 16 tournament finalist and 1500 ladder player Secondly Ra is very good because he is good into almost every civ, he doesn’t have major handicaps, excellent in a drafting scenario

[@jackroper1848]

@@IamMagicAOM Thanks for your response, interestingly Ra's winrate is even lower at 175+ I do agree that Ra has options vs almost every civ. I would Say Ora/Kronos then Gaia are pretty tough currently.

[@LoveReacts]

Atty ftw!!

[@mathieujacq7953]

I need help… I m playing with a friend who is an otp thor, and I can t win a single match while playing atlant (it s fine with other civs). I play gaia and he just do a forward base and stack lots of foot soldiers, at some points he get age 3 and use flaming weapons while right clicking into my base… What should I do ? I can t manage to outstack him and I don t know with what I should raid in age 2.

[@IamMagicAOM]

I can’t really say without watching the game tbh

[@DuBLD33]

Not sure about electrum slingers being the end-all gg unit. It's gotten to the point that Greek knows you will go slingers, and their peltasts actually beat slingers. They just need several Cav as front line and peltasts will clean all the slingers. Vs other civs maybe it's a lot better, but it seems not the best, or too predictable vs Greek at least

[@IamMagicAOM]

Greek definitely have a better chance than most, you’re right

[@MrLakislazopoulos]

But this requires tremendous micro for the Greeks. The moment the peltasts will stop hitting the slingers you will lose the fight and your army. And while peltasts are beating slingers, they are not beating them by much. Eventually, with at the shit happening around the map, you wont be able to micro that well and you will lose.

[@AnputVT]

What else makes Ra so much better than Set? Seeing as mainly EB was mentioned but Set also has those while having faster slingers and cheaper barracks.

[@IamMagicAOM]

the pharoah empower the monuments really helps the Ra eco overall, also it reduces the training time of units so you can really pump out quite a bit of units, that's the primary reason imo

[@298AOM]

I think the differences between each god aren’t that significant; everyone has a chance to win the game. What’s more important is the matchup and the map of the game.

[@drew.d2587]

Thor been making me so tilted playing ladder 😅

[@sincromelon2912]

They nerfed isis so bad but Finbulwinter is still the most opressive god power, especially in team games

[@Cloudposst]

Man, great video, but my god I can't believe people are still overreacting to EB slingers. Maybe it's different in the highest tier of competition, at the intermediate level it's absolutely fine. Egyptian needs competent units to be competetive. There are plenty of army compositions that beat the Egyptian army even with Ptah/Sehkmet slingers. Don't lose sight of the facts that shifting sands is nerfed in this game and citidel is the worst Heroic GP. It's definitely gross against Isis and I agree Isis needs a better kit in general, not just in the Egyptian wars. Isis is a one trick Pony and is not very reactive to opposing strategies. I think a new unique bonues for her priests would help. Maybe faster healing?

[@mito569]

How do you counter Poseidon Rush as a Thor? Early rush

[@IamMagicAOM]

It’s all about having a good early build order and walling up nicely, once you have enough units you can usually stomp the Poseidon army with armory upgrades and a superior economy

[@drakenhof-ki3kt]

hi! how to find your games from yesterday?

[@IamMagicAOM]

www.twitch.tv/egctv check out the vods here

[@itswakkowarner]

Slingers are fine. Don't ruin the fun. Ok yes they are strong but it's fun. This is the most fun state AoM has ever been in balance wise.

[@spainchecker8260]

what is electrum bullets on ra ? xD sorry new

[@IamMagicAOM]

It’s a unique tech for Ptah, you can get it in the armory or barracks

[@Abusiv3Hamst3r]

What I gathered, if/when electrum bullets gets nerfed then Egyptians will all be middling to bottom tier. That kinda sucks...

[@IamMagicAOM]

i'm hoping they mix some buffs in there when they nerf electrum bullets

[@KOSOVOisSERBIA222]

Loki S tier, behind Thor, then Oranos and then Ra...after that A tier, Posi, Odin, Gaia, Kronos etc... You can not put Gaia in S tier, when Gaia WR against main 3 Norse(loki, thor, odin) is 40% even above 1400elo, Gaia WR against Norse suck so hard... RA is maybe strong, but when I play Egypt I am feeling that I need to play 10x better than my opponet to win game, it's just hard to play with them... Electric bullets are strong but still not OP....and believe me this is being said by someone who hates Egypt, I literally never liked that civ and always tought they are OP, untill I started to pratcite them, I just realized how bad they are and how hard for playing with Eggy is... Anywhy Norse are just op right now and they need hard nerf.

[@Bosnjak_Sandzaklija]

Sandžak is Bosnia and Kosovo is Albania ;) 🇧🇦⚜️🇽🇰

[@raptorhacker599]

Scamsoc series?

[@pmf440]

In wich strange dimension have we ended up that Gaia it's a top tier god

[@DimaErmakov97]

Odin didnt even deserve those nerfs

[@digital-being]

Was there a patch in between or how come you basically put your latest tier list upside down?

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah there was a patch a few weeks ago

[@Rio-un5jl]

Putting Ra above Oranos makes no sense to me. Slingers are strong. But theyre not shockwave carnivora chaos vs rain shifting sands citadel strong

[@IamMagicAOM]

It’s mostly because of electrum bullet slingers, not the civ itself

[@alessandrodellanno948]

Atlanteans are Better, but against Norse, man the match up is so hard. The spam hersyr and throwing axe man and you get rekt. Chieroballista are so bad, they cost WAY too much for what they do,they are slow at moving and hitting. Such a bad counter unit. I'll also add that GP of Kronos (and to a degree Gaia) really suck. Spiders and Thief are so bad.

[@goochipoochie]

Turma + Murmillo should hold on against Hersirs + Axemen shouldn't they Idk about high elo, talking from ~1200 ranked

[@lonesomealeks4206]

Migdol units are the worst, too expensive, too weak. Barrack units only ok after ton of upgrades. So, why play Egyptians at all?

[@matthiasvancauteren3107]

For the cool OST the first minute of the match : )

[@IamMagicAOM]

facts

[@MrLakislazopoulos]

So you are saying chariot archer is weak?

[@tomblack2064]

Because of einejeerek dude

[@ChosenPL]

Do ya really think Freyr is so bad to put him that low? High health pool for hersirs, also a bit more for infantry, cool abilities, cheap upgrades, golems?

[@IamMagicAOM]

He’s very situational, I don’t think he’s bad though, neither do I think Isis is bad per say, but in a draft setting you got to pick him perfectly on the right map with the right civ

[@devangnivatkar2649]

In theory yes, but he struggles to bring all those advantages to the fore in practice

[@Sam-es2gf]

As a low/mid elo scrub, I think buffing Chariots would be a mistake. They feel ok vs Norse. Camels and elephants need help though. Imo the main problem is the other civs counter units. Slingers, turma and especially prodromos are all too strong. Murmillo + whatever being a go to is too oppressive for everyone. Katapeltes are great but why bother when Murmillo + Turma can beat everything anyone has in classical. Contarius are SO MUCH FUCKING BETTER than Jarls and Camels it is STUPID. Contarius are 30 resources cheaper than Jarls (20 for camels), 1 speed faster and do 13.5 dmg vs 10 for Jarls (8 for camels) AND have bonuses vs archers whereas Jarls and Camels don't! Contarius train in 16 sec vs 24 for Jarls. And thats without techs! Add the techs for both (100g 12 favor for lance of stone, even more damage and a slowing attack - LOL) and the difference is stupid. Both Jarl and Camels should be given bonuses vs archers, either as base or through techs. Or nerf Contarius into the ground idc, but it can't stay like this. Caladria special working on heroes feels like a bug that needs fixing. Heroes are immune to all myth unit specials except that. Having your unique heroes slowed, isolated from an army and picked off is beyond a joke.

[@IamMagicAOM]

I think in general Norse has a little a bit of difficulty vs archers in general, I think a rework might be required as ballistics gives too much value to archer balls right now, I still think this isn’t a chariot issue but a ranged unit issue against norse

[@devangnivatkar2649]

Counter points: Chariots lost a bigger chunk of their DPS going from legacy to Retold (8.5 -> 6.6), while everyone else got smaller shaves, e.g. Arcus (6 -> 5) & Toxotes (6.5 -> 5.45). They also take bonus damage as cavalry which they previously didn't The Contarius' displayed attack is DPA, their DPS is actually lower than Jarls @ 9 (vs. 10). Maybe there's a case to increase their cost to 70 Food OR 45 Gold. As for the Jarl, I wish their anti-myth bonus wasn't locked behind Njord's Ring Giver (like legacy). For the Camel, maybe a -5 Food cost (50 -> 45) Agreed about point #3

[@sebipatru]

So, you're telling me i'm playing the worst god everyday ( Isis) and i'm still winning ( more than losing). God, i'm quite good at this game than 😎

[@IamMagicAOM]

you the best!

[@theowlogram888]

Do people actually heroize citizens with Gaia? I never do it, I don't see others doing it either and it really feels like it's not required at all to win.

[@IamMagicAOM]

I think it’s starting to gain some traction now, especially when you’re advancing to the next age you can get a really solid eco going

[@theowlogram888]

@@IamMagicAOM Is there an agreement of how many and which moment it is optimal to do so?

[@TylerDurdin]

Sorry but what is TC?

[@pedroborges2187]

Town Center

[@billybob-wx2re]

icks-pecially

[@sebastianheselaars4315]

First

[@-Stefaen]

fanboy

[@IamMagicAOM]

That’s was fast, haha

[@le4-677]

To get desynched

[@itswakkowarner]

Kimo lost game 5 of the finals both days.

[@IorekMetal]

I just befin the video and Isis and Freyr make the bottom tier because of tournaments... Mista won El Reinado using both Major Gods...

[@IorekMetal]

Also, you have a problem with electrum bullets, is not that OP, is literally 1 damage.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Its divine damage

[@IorekMetal]

@@IamMagicAOM I know, but is still one. On a unit with the lowest damage from the ranged ones. Furthermore, stats are telling that both Ra and Set are performing quite bad all accros the ladder. The point you are trying to sell has 0 backup.

[@mathieujacq7953]

I don t get why seth army is too weak when he uses the same units as Ra… with the same minor gods. seth army is even better since he has bonus on barrack units However I get that ra is better thanks to his eco.

[@IamMagicAOM]

Yeah I agree with you

[@chrisstover4145]

Who is reDo

[@IamMagicAOM]

No idea myself

[@devangnivatkar2649]

One of the modern day Voobly guys (unless this is an inside joke)

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

So... Isis is bad in a tournament setting because of drafting. It's a shame that microsoft wants the game to be this way, not allowing competitors to pick blind. I guess we would all get bored if pros could pick the gods they actually felt the most confidant with. So boring to associate certain gods with certain pro players and watch them play for fun 😴. Isn't it much better to see pro players as all just interchangeable names on a list who are equally good at every god except Isis?

[@codyestes6596]

I’m sorry but Ra being S tier is wild. He got picked a whopping total of 1 time in underworld tournament and got completely rolled by Freyr just expanding in front of him because Ra (and eggy) has little to no ability to gain map control early unless they go full commit to classic age. Just my opinion, don’t beat me.

[@codyestes6596]

*add to it that they have no siege ability before heroic unless you commit to Sphinx rushing so you have no ability to push back against forward TC expansion.

[@MrLakislazopoulos]

​@@codyestes6596fast heroic with siege towers can clear any forward norse base

[@Benikepvp]

Second

[@FinalCurse]

extreme ai keeps beating me though even as isis :(((((

[@IamMagicAOM]

extreme ai is always tough

[@veganism_is_superior]

buff norse