AGGRO TAKES RICHMOND BY STORM

[@sunnyd2293]

Great breakdown! It was a pleasure speaking with you on Green Han. This tournament really showed a wide range of deckbuilding and an open meta. In 8 rounds of swiss + t16 I played against 7 different leaders!

[@Next-GenGamingSC]

Video coverage of this event will be posted on my channel. Round 1 is scheduled to be released tomorrow. The meta is definitely in a great place right now! Thanks for the report.

[@Thorrk_THT]

No Problem thanks for organizing !

[@Next-GenGamingSC]

@@Thorrk_THT You're welcome!

[@DiegoDeschain]

The design team really knocked it out of the park with set one. To have a single set, and such a healthy meta, it's really impressive. I really hope the new set won't mess things up.

[@KangtheCurtis]

Hi, I was the 2nd place Boba player for the event. Your analysis on the card choices for my decklist were pretty spot on. Here are some of the reasonings for why I slotted certain cards and why I played the deck: -No crafty smugglers After testing extensively, Smuggler didn't really advance the board state at all. Shoretrooper theoretically does the same thing in terms of trading in early game. Whatever Smuggler would kill in two hits, so would Shoretrooper. However, regardless if vs. control or not, Shoretrooper put a lot more pressure midgame to even late and would be a really good OB target for 6 dmg if they didn't respect him. Pulling him out with Vader as a 4/3 was super relevant the way I approached the control matchups. -51 cards To me, having 1 extra cards doesn't impact my consistency at all, and sometimes there is that one card that tips a certain matchup in your favor that you don't want to sacrifice a side deck slot for. Looking back, I don't think that card would have been cunning. IMO, Boba was the best deck to take to that event to make top cut. I was between Boba and Vader/Blue but opted not to play the deck out of concerns for time. I made the right call that Sabine would be the most represented deck, and walking through the venue almost all Vader Blue decks went into time and got a double loss or conceded out of fear of getting one round 1. Boba is pretty much the great equalizer in terms of matchups and is favorable into almost everything. Most of my matchups were against Luke. Overall I played against 3 Lukes, 2 Vader Green, 1 Vader Blue, 1 Sabine, 1 Palp Red, 1 Han, and the winning double Blue Iden deck twice. This is a lot of a YT comment, but happy to talk more about it.

[@carloa.a.2218]

I appreciate the long comment. As someone who also wants to take Bobba ECL to my local store showdown I would like to now your thoughts on Cartel Spacer, I have been testing that card but the stats just do not seem to be good enough. I also would like to know your thoughts regarding cunning, is that a card your would increase the count to 2? How did cunning perform against control? Thanks

[@KangtheCurtis]

@@carloa.a.2218 Cartel Spacer can definitely go as long as you aren't taking out the other ships. I sided them out every game. Going back, I would have taken them out completely and replacing with 2 Cunning (for total of 3) and 1 StarViper. Cunning was good overall. Most of the time I used it to close out games against control. They often don't account for the +4. I would have maindecked 1 Devestator as the 51st card for control. Traditional Boba doesn't have any clean answers for Avenger, Vader leader, or Palp leader.

[@Thorrk_THT]

Thanks man I appreciate the comment and i agree with what you say, boba seem like a good choice for the tournament And I would be curious to know why it did so poorly. 51 cards does statistically affect the consistency of the deck , but at this point the margin is some small it doesn't surprise me that you did feel it, I don't think it's a big deal either way.

[@KangtheCurtis]

@@Thorrk_THT A lot of them were paired against each other in early rounds. Also, for some of the people that I knew who were piloting the deck that day, all of them were not playing Gamorean Guards and were not playing Confiscate in the side.

[@SawseTV]

Curtis was, despite me beating him twice, the best player I played against on Saturday. Aside from the steadfast ECL play in swiss, which we will not speak of here, he played perfectly. Was just a bad matchup for him. Though I will never forget his face when I played I am your father on him. God did he hate that card. haha.

[@antharper11]

Just some feedback, might want to pull back a little on saying things like "I invented that" or "this is basically my decklist". I greatly appreciate your contribution to the community but it comes off as a bit cocky. Just my opinion. Great video as always though! Keep them coming!

[@Schlagathor78]

Feel that lol I invented ramping into my vader is a real stretch. Great video by the way thorrk

[@Thorrk_THT]

Thanks I appreciate the feedback Just to specify when I say that the decklist is very similar to mine I don't imply that they took my list, but yeah I probably over emphasized on that so I will be careful next time. About the stuff I claim to have "invented" I am referring to the very specific sequencing that allow me to get Vador on turn 3 which I came up with on September 2023 (TowerNumber9 even made a video about it) , and I was basically dunking on myself here saying that it's easy to get emotionally attached to a thing you've created and make the wrong decision as the result. So this was meant as an autocritic that people can learn from not as a praise ^^

[@julianbryant2471]

He literally discovered the turn 3 Vader combo though, which has been acknowledged by other big names in the community. His point was that he became too attached to his combo that he may have gotten tunnel vision on it. It was a self-critique.

[@antharper11]

@julianbryant2471 there were several instances in the video, not just a single call out. Like I said, it's feedback. I speak for a living and how you make an audience feel is important for how an audience perceives you and your message. Take or leave the feedback.

[@c.b.044]

Some decklists sound so weird to me, especially the two Krennic lists 😮 nice review thanks Mr Thorrks

[@benoitnicosia9001]

Effectivement de plus en plus de Solo vert dans mon meta local. Tes vidéos sont suivies 😉 Et il est super intéressant à jouer en plus d’être assez bon marché. C’est très encourageant de voir autant de diversité de deck, même en local on constate la même chose. Le jeu est sain

[@BadatBoardgames]

You winning your tournament I am sure influenced congratulations 🎉

[@JonahNiklasPlays]

Great video as always! I am super happy to see the meta is so diverse and fun! This game keeps on giving😁

[@slipcapone1466]

Precision Fire is slept on. I run it in Green Sabine and it has been worth its weight in gold.

[@FiearTheWolfdog]

I was the only Tarkin deck in that tournament. I completely changed my Tarkin deck after that tournament lol. instead of Tarkin Blue, I'm gonna give Tarkin Red a try and see how it does in local plays

[@vanesoko]

I took Iden Red to this tournament. I never got to finish a game 2 (bo3,) and always ran out of time and ties being a double loss put me out of top cut instantly. By the time we finished game 1.. 15 minutes were left on the clock on average

[@Thorrk_THT]

That's too bad, double loss sure is brutal. Iden Blue has the exact same issue (if not worse), and yet it won the tournament so it is definitely possible to pilot that style of decks to a win in a tournament settings. If it takes you 40 minutes on average to finish a game with Iden red that's not normal at all, maybe you need more practice to be able to play faster. This deck is surely not for everyone :/

[@SawseTV]

@@Thorrk_THT It was a combination of knowing the deck and play lines, and playing a bunch of Sabines for me. None of my games went to time. Had some close calls though!

[@qodly16]

I am not sure if it is the lack of product that is influencing the decks being built in my local meta, but Vader is everywhere. It usually is the most used Leader, I come up against. Boba's, Palps, and other pricier decks are seldom, which is to be expected, but the fact it only takes a handful of cards to transform Vader into a competitive deck is impressive.

[@Thorrk_THT]

That's a good point.

[@hunterbales7372]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think you can grab the blunt hunter crew and return the same uwing you played to your hand because it hasn’t hit the discard pile yet. It would be u-wing into bounty hunter and then bounty hunter would hit the play field before uwing is put into discard. All triggers would have to resolve and the uwing does not resolve until after you pick a card with bounty hunter which means u can’t take the same card

[@Thorrk_THT]

You can, for the exact same reason you can place restock at the bottom of the deck with its own effect. In SWU you place the card in the discard before you resolve the effect.

[@terrorshard2916]

I've been trying your new version without mothma and I really miss her. She fixed my curve and late in the game against control was infite gas with bright hope loops.

[@Thorrk_THT]

She sure is great against control but that's the only MU where she is IMO, that's I removed her. Also I was missing too often with her

[@gerbinos2]

How that Blue Iden deck win vs agro. That list is so greedy vs agro, its unreal

[@GoodK4t1337]

Hey, your video about playing against this soft and hard control type of decks still valid? I exclusively play Han and still trying to figure out, how to battle these control decks. You mentioned Han is well suited against control, but why is that? My first thought was, you probably don't ressources any of your threats (Uwing, Han, walker and home One) and try to play 1 consecutive threat after another at 7,8,9 ressources? Meanwhile falcon is there for chip damage? If I leave falcon on the board it gets removed with highest priority. Anyway, your changes improved the aggro matches by a lot. Really liking the gunship. Was thinking about swapping 1 traitorous for change of Heart to improve the Matchup against control a bit. Thanks for the video Thorrk!! Best SWU content by a far margin :)

[@Thorrk_THT]

Yes this video is still 100% valid Han Green has everything Control hates: - Extremely resilient and high value in late game (U-wing, Home one, walker, bright hope bounce loop...) - Hand disruption (Spark and bodhi rook) - Threats that can attack right away and recursive (Falcon and Home one +falcon) - Ability to kill very quickly if threat left unchecked (big bodies + surprise strike) -Speed (resupply and han's ability). Change of heart is a good idea especially vs palpatine decks. Personnaly I won't play less traiterous becasue it's too good vs boba. (unless people start maindecking upgarde hate.

[@GoodK4t1337]

Thanks for the answer, but what exactly is the bright hope bounce loop?

[@Thorrk_THT]

@@GoodK4t1337 mothma->bright hope->bounce mothma->bright hope... not guaranteed but the value is insane regardless I don't play mothma anymore, but you can still do huge value with cards like prepare to takeoff.

[@luoshuigui]

Would like to see some Iden Blue's gameplay footage, I just can not understand with only 6 turn 1 cards to play how did she survive early aggro.

[@Thorrk_THT]

The idea is skip turn 1 and play a removal on turn 2, but I agree that without force choke and open fire the early game seems shaky, maybe he got lucky and always got what he needed in early game, or maybe childsen and vigilance at 4 is just strong enough to make up for that.

[@MeepleonFire]

@@Thorrk_THT yeah Childsen and Vigilance are enough, and then Iden and then the healing from Juggernaut. There is so much healing, it's impossible for sabine green to even approach the 30HP. Sabine green was being crushed all day without even sweating. And I disagree about this deck being challenging and long to play, against aggro and midrange Luke/Chirrut, it was 2/0 and finished earlier each time. He had the chance to not facing control but every control vigilance miror is intense to play.

[@SawseTV]

@@Thorrk_THT It was strong enough in general. I played 14 games against Sabine in total, and lost 2 of them ( one against Sabine Red ). I didn't have Power->Childsen every game obviously. Sabine can still get you, because its Sabine, but after having playing 500+ games of Iden Red before switching to Blue, it didn't feel much worse as a whole. Its either on par or barely worse in the matchup. I did miss Open Fire though, to be fair.

[@julianmhu]

35:32 "It's going to make For A Cause I Believe In very very weak." I think that's ab it of a hyperbolic statement. Based on the ratios above, on average FICIBI does 3.4 damage. So we can say 3, instead of 4. Is 1 damage a lot? Sure, but clearly Garett felt that the other non heroic cards would score him 1+ damage elsewhere in the game

[@Thorrk_THT]

There are 16 non heroic card in his deck which represents 26,7% of his deck, so his odds on FICIBI are 2.932 damages not 3.4. (correct me If my math are wrong) Already making your FCBI deal around 3 damage on average is a big downgrade, 1 damage absolutely matters. But it also means that the chances of it doing only 2 is quite real. There is a reason why almost every Sabine/Leia deck plays no more than 5 non-heroic cards (and on average 3), so 16 is wild to say the least. It obviously worked out for him but I still would not recommend it :)

[@MohandArt]

Thanks fo this video ;) have you some small french accent ? ^^

[@Thorrk_THT]

Yes I do, I am french.

[@MohandArt]

@@Thorrk_THT That why i understand when you talk ! ;) Thanks again for your good video

[@buddhistpossum3462]

No Cunning Sabine?

[@JimmyZSnow]

The presence of vigilance and restock in the main board has made the control mirror miserable. If you don’t see those cards, you simply lose. There’s very little counter play, besides putting on a ton of aggression (which a lot of heavy control lists can’t do).

[@Thorrk_THT]

I agree it's not the most fun way to play the game that's why I don't want to play those deck personally. When I play a green based control deck I go for the overpowering approach using relentless and emperor's legion.

[@marcdomaradzki413]

Salut Thorrk (désolé je pose la meme question qu'a Raj xD), merci pour ton partage et tes videos. J'aurai une question pour toi : apres avoir affronté plusieurs fois le deck Han Solo, sachant que je joue principalement Rouge/Vert/Empire (en ce moment je ponce a fond GI Green) je trouve pas la solution pour contrer le deck Han Solo... Au tour 4 ou 5, ce combo infame de poser Han Leader, suivi de Han Unité ou Renfort de UWing me detruit. J'ai beau tout essayé en side, rien n'y fait je perds tout le temps... Des conseils ? Merci par avance

[@Thorrk_THT]

La solution pour one shot Han avec GI c'est force lightning, donc l'idée c'est d'essayé d'avoir une unité force avant qu'Han arrive et aprés 4 ressource pour one shot han.

[@marcdomaradzki413]

@@Thorrk_THT avec un 5eme frère c'est faisable, mais tu passes tout ton tour a faire ça... la plupart des decks meta n'en joue qu'une seule, donc j'ai pas osé en mettre 3 dans le miens. En side peut etre... a tester, merci !

[@GeorgeVamvakidis]

You didn't mention that Boba 2nd place, was playing with 51 cards main deck. Which is weird and not a good choice; But what do i know...

[@Thorrk_THT]

Good spot, not a big fan either, but not a huge deal and the rest of the list is very solid imo.

[@arnaldosantini]

51 or 52 main deck cards do not mess that much your numbers. I'm a fan of that 2 pinches of spice lol

[@edoardozanettini5726]

hi guys I have a question, how can a full control deck can win this events? I mean, the deck is absolutely strong no doubts, but with 45 min for a BO3 if you get a mirror how can you finish all the games? I always wanted to play double blue but I m scared to tie a lot of games. (forgive my question but my store just started swu and we do only BO1)

[@SawseTV]

In best of three, its 55 minute rounds. If you are tied when time is called ( and after the NEXT action phase ) both players lose. However, if you won the first game, and time is called in the second game, the player who won the first game will win the match.

[@edoardozanettini5726]

@@SawseTV ooo ok I thought that if you win the first game and you can't finish the second one is a tie, this change a lot of things thank you!!

[@starscream003]

Listening to you talk shit about han blue and how it is garbage is a perfect example of how you KZbin people are part of the problem with the game. Someone made a deck that made 10th and you are just destroying it based on your own opinion, not a unbiased opinion.

[@Thorrk_THT]

Maybe you should listen again I am not destroying the deck at all. I am saying it's a complete different kind of Han decks that is taking a different approach, I also say that I am unable to say if this deck is better or worse than the green version (talking about this particular blue version). And just so you know there is no such things as an "unbiased opinion" every opinion is biased, if you disagree with it that's fine but then you should use argument and explain precisely what you disagree with.

[@starscream003]

@Thorrk_THT you literally said resupply is a better card in the han deck and should be what is played, and then proceeded to bash Luke Skywalker and say U wing is a way better card over Luke. And yes you can be unbiased, but you choose to be biased based on what you think things should be, not what someone else is trying to build, also you basically said that deck was designed to destroy the meta, that's what happens when a meta is created.

[@Thorrk_THT]

​@@starscream003the point I was trying to make and that you completely missed is that playing the (what I consider in my own biased opinion) "best card" is not the only way to build a powerful deck. Here the player decided to go for a metagame approach (trying to counter the meta) which is a very effective way to build a deck. and my conclusion was that I have no idea which one of the two approach is stronger in this case (because I never played the blue control Han).