AI DETAIL? Aliens 4K UHD Review

Shane checks out Aliens 4k on ‪@kaleidescapeinc8394‬ and on 4k uhd bluray disc in Dolby Atmos.
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[@wendellwendellb339]

Shane 4k reviews are back!

[@therealshanelee]

🥳

[@DevilFan669]

@@therealshaneleeyes bro 😎 good 👍🏻 to see you back

[@sirndimz3418]

With some spare change too

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

I really don't understand why studios think film grain is a bad thing when grain is where all the detail is featured in. By scrubbing it away and adding artificial detail through recent digital tools, it completely betrays how the original film used to be like and what was the intended look for the film upon release. Whats worse is when they take old dated masters and just upscale it, which is unfortunately what Cameron and Park Road did here.

[@JimElford]

The studio is Fox/Disney. They normally ensure authentic 4k scans except where directors like Lucas and Cameron intervene. Cameron removed the real grain when approving the blu ray scan and added in digital grain. So for this release it's likely he started with the de-grained master and approved AI interpolation from there. Cameron also approved the teal colour regrade for the blu (everything prior cast the colony in a blue/purple grade) and scaled it back somewhat for the 4k. TLDR studios didn't screw this up, Cameron did.

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

@@JimElford Yeah thats what I said lol. Cameron used AI to "enhance" his movie but then ended up making this vile mess of a 4K. Also, Disney isn't new to making bad 4K scans either. The Pirates Of The Carribean 4K is a good example.

[@stephenreter]

Great review Shane. I felt the same way you did. It just doesn't feel the same. It feels very different now and I was distracted by that the whole time. Thanks for sharing with us how you felt about it.

[@victorfontaine5552]

Shane, about damn time you got back to reviewing home movie releases. Good to see you back in the review chair.

[@mauriciowalle]

Love your reviews, been subscribed for a long time. Keep bringing the good content man!!!

[@MasterMITSURUGI]

I need to pick this up, the one and only copies of Alien 1-4 I own is the 2003 Quadrilogy DVD set.

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

How does it compare to ur jvc projector

[@parthanandi9991]

Can you please advise if the 4K version and the regular 1080P version region locked to some region ? I am planning to pick this from Australia but worried that it may not play in my player if the 4K and the regular 1080P version is region locked to Region A. Cheers.

[@thepjguy6133]

They used a 2K DI for the Aliens restoration, not a 4K DI.

[@revengetragedy]

Does the 4k version include the director's cut?

[@OneDarkMartian]

Yeah, both theatrical and 1990 special edition are included.

[@lacrossed55]

The audio on the Director's Cut/ SE version completely cut out multiple times

[@Ethantaj]

Love Shane doing movie reviews. These let me know if I’m going to invest or not for my home theater

[@peveglp]

Shane, thank you for the review. We appreciate your content.

[@patrickwilliams1801]

Hey Shane, Glad to have you back doing 4K Ultra HD reviews.

[@thaprofound]

Was looking forward to your reviews! Thanks!

[@lyndonramchatesingh105]

Hey Shane what tv ur using now

[@chiganuggoo9929]

LOL. It's on the screen and in the bio.

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Shane.. Exceptional content as always!

[@MarcReed-g1h]

The reviews are back😎 great video Shane. Ready for some Dune 2!

[@therealshanelee]

Tomorrow

[@cinemalord9055]

How's the new theater is it better than your old one😊

[@TheEthNick]

You should put “Kaleidoscope” in the title for absolute clarity.

[@chiganuggoo9929]

Great review, sums it up perfectly. I won't be returning it, it looks superb - but I agree - it looks different and the cleaner look really does change the vibe of a classic movie we all know and love. I have the bluray Steelbook and it looks and sounds great, as a fan of the movie though I'll happily keep both and watch whichever version takes my mood.

[@mrtickleuk]

HDR is about range, NOT brightness. If there is incredible shadow detail in a dark movie, this is something that's impossible and SDR, and this is something which is an equally valid HDR showcase to impress your friends just as much as the magpie brightness stuff. A huge range of the values in PQ are reserved for shadow detail for GOOD REASONS!

[@kyleblack1053]

Waiting on mine arriving 🎉

[@Hamza-yu1ur]

Hey Shane, what sub would you recommend between rythmik F18, SB16, rel 1510ht? No music, only HT. I just picked up ML Motion XT speakers so I want a really nice sub to pair with them.

[@therealshanelee]

Rythmik

[@jeshuruncarlos6649]

Was waiting for the Aquaman:The Lost Kingdom 4K Blu-Ray Review, but this is Awesome

[@Bozlee22]

Loved it!!

[@JimElford]

Cameron has done a Lucas here and applied a modern look to a stone cold classic, robbing it of any sense of alchemy and grit, turning characters eyes into uncanny lenses, and insisting this was his intended look when people just want the original version with occasional HDR pops. Ill stick with the incredible blu and its preserved 4.0 surround track.

[@capkingy]

I thought aliens looked ok with the new 4K transfer. I did get annoyed that the special edition digital file was only hd and standard surround. It would have been nice to have kept some of the film grain. It can be distracting a bit thought. There are a couple of scenes in an older movie Silent running where the film grain jumps out at you but it’s still good it’s there. The hd special edition came across as a bit softer with the ai treatment. I did purchase the 4K combo pack.

[@EnterTheSoundscape]

It’s not a new transfer, it’s the one they did back in 2008 for the 2010 Blu Ray. It’s the new AI tech they used to upscale it

[@jaruissanz1299]

This reviews still matter to the rest of us Shane... Glad to see you posting a new review and glad to see your subscriber base growing past 100,000 ... I've been subscribed since your channel had over 30,000... Your technical reviews on movies are the best on KZbin. I've seen many other movie reviewers and in my opinion none are as good as you Shane... Thanks for posting

[@bjertus]

For me this is exactly how a 4k movie/transfer should look.

[@luisd7636]

wish the atmos mix had gotten a good upgrade. it was really lacking

[@palmspar]

The 5.1 audio on the old blu ray anthology box is better with more base and impact then the atmos track on the 4k disc. Aliens 4k was the first movie i watch with my new cinema 40 avr in 5.2.2 atmos setup, i was not very inpressed with it but it was not the avrs fault..

[@tigerblue42]

@@palmspar I agree ! I don't have an Atmos setup (I have a 5.1 with the surrounds being tri-poles slightly above and behind my head and pointing at the seating position) but am used to Atmos tracks still sounding better on my system than previous mixes (sometimes VERY noticeably so) but last night, watching the Aliens 4K for the first time (on rental) and comparing to my 2012 Blu-ray (from the Quad set) I couldn't hear any improvement at all, in fact I was thinking my old Blu-ray sounded better !

[@chriszajac8818]

I don’t think you are totally off but i also think its better than a 6.2. It’s all subjective but I would put it at an 8.5

[@EnterTheSoundscape]

Nah it looks so weird with how it looks both waxy and hyperrealistic at the same time.

[@jamessarpy1411]

I have been watching aliens since I was a kid and I have to say I love the new transfer looks great

[@spikewilliam]

The DI used for this release is the 2010 scan that was made for the blu-ray 2010 release. There is a ton of DNR and edge enchantement on this 4K release. That's what Cameron wants his movies to look like. This is not for me, but maybe it will appeal to others. There was also no serious HDR color grading work, only a 200 nits SDR100/1000 convertion from the 2010 grading. I did a comparison along with a custom uspacle of the blu-ray disc and a New HDR color grading on my channel.

[@Jack-Torrance80]

Whats your channel called?

[@spikewilliam]

@@Jack-Torrance80 spikewilliam. You can clic on my avatar :)

[@patrickmiller4987]

Spell check.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

Agree

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Definitely a love and hate type of transfer

[@therealshanelee]

Yeah it sucks.

[@DevilFan669]

@@therealshaneleelol 😂bro facts!

[@northeastcorals]

@@therealshanelee Yeh this just does not look like Aliens, AI upscaling classic movies (& they don't get much more classic than Aliens) just ain't for me.

[@MyFireVideos]

Thanks for the review Shane! Have you ever had the movie file get corrupted or any other issues on a kaleidescape?

[@therealshanelee]

Nope.

[@MyFireVideos]

@@therealshanelee nice

[@chrisdowns2826]

i was missing the 4K reviews so glad they are back!

[@wyldeslash2003]

Oh yeah! Forgot about the reviews. Haven’t bought a 4K disc since your last post.

[@DucNguyen-gl9dr]

Thank u 4 review Shane. Please do more reviews on new release. I totally depend on ur takes, they are awesome.

[@tonyjames4082]

I’m proud of you man it’s great for you and your accomplishments for you to come back

[@Prettytony0627]

Love your videos but 4K reviews is where you shine! Glad to see they are back!

[@EdwardNygma1980]

I'm definitely not a purist. But I really liked this transfer. The audio is what it is without re-doing all the effects, but it's very decent compared to other 80's movies imo. I really didn't like the T2 transfer. It's in my top 5 of all time (as a movie) and I didn't buy it. If they redo it with the same technology as Aliens/Abyss, I'll be more than happy to get it. I hope Jim Cameron helps Michael Bay out with Disney/Sony (who apparently is going to do some physical media for Disney) and gets us some of the old Bay movies to 4k (The Rock, Armageddon, Pearl Harbor) Thanks for the review!

[@HOTWADOFMEAT]

Return of the King. Welcome back brother!

[@davidd6637]

Shane, my feelings about this transfer/restoration echo yours. Having watched this film so many times over the last twenty something years, I can’t stand this new digitally-enhanced version-it’s just a completely new experience that as you’ve said, might please those who’s never seen the film. A complete contrast to Alien 4K, which had a more traditional film restoration.

[@Slasher_Films_Fanatic]

Looking foward to the new theater review!

[@JS-shim]

Great to have your reviews back.

[@TheCropsyManiac]

This is like cleaning a vintage pistol with soap and hot water so it looks nice and sparkling clean.

[@LukeLovesRose]

I dont care what you say. Other reviewers totally sold me on this release. If you cant get past the look, you will never appreciate the immersive work of James Cameron. Seriously, if you watch this 4K copy a few times, you will be hooked just as you were with the VHS. Thats largely due to James Camerons 3D art direction, cinematography and set design

[@OffTheWallReviews]

The rain in the beginning with the Mom and Dad was only coming from the front stage and really took me out of the movie straight out of the gates. I liked the update but it's not a home run.

[@monijam1]

I just watched the 4k blu ray last night and I thought it looked great. I understand the concerns and drawbacks that you and others have pointed out but to me the positives out way the negatives on this transfer and it's by far the best the movie has ever looked. Really glad you're back to doing reviews!

[@peppersmith]

Yeah, i was kinda disappointed with the AQ on all 3 JC movies. All 3 movies bass is lacking. I played the old school bluray of Aliens and the Bass sounded better & heavier. Even my Laserdisc sounded better. But the PQ was AWEsome. They jus need to get the sound better sounding....

[@thehal991]

ROOM TOUR! ROOM TOUR! ROOM TOUR! 😂

[@jjnewbold]

Looking forward to the 4k Blu-ray review! Have been missing those big time.

[@LuniMW]

we need more 4k reviews

[@DevilFan669]

Yes 🙌 indeed we do bro 😎 for damn sure 👍🏻

[@darkfieldmpls]

Maybe since this is a comparison you show before and after? No?

[@matta9316]

Nice. Been awhile since a Shane movie review!

[@LILGHETTI]

This is probably the best 4k transfer from the recent cameron release. Which still waxy af. True lies & T2 are still worst

[@craigosterberg5045]

Thanks Shane for review.

[@MegaOCER]

no matter how much I love this movie, the 4k version it not that good and its not that bad in the range of james cameron DNR effect.

[@masterazlan6999]

The GI tomboy surely makes me luv dis forever.. Peace!

[@FireTiger941]

5:25 It's so sharp I can see the tiny hairs on Ripley's face! :O

[@specialformula14]

I love the new clear video. I give it a 9. And the audio is junk

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[@charlesarringtonjr.8109]

Loving the new Theater!

[@jadan2000]

I'm a grain hater so I loved the video.. but lord you're right about the audio sounding dated. it was hard for me to really focus

[@billwoolcott4932]

DUUUDE IS BACK!!

[@therealshanelee]

They're now waiting for your come back.

[@billwoolcott4932]

@@therealshanelee I'll get back as soon as I can! Can't wait to see the new theater in person 😍

[@davidrivera2165]

As a 63 year old, who saw Aliens on opening day, bought VHS, DVD, BLU Ray and now 4k Bluray. I love the new 4k. Yes it's digital looking, and that's the point. More details, and brighter shadow details provide a new experience. The Atmos mix is also decent, considering the original.

[@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r]

I'm sorry but the transfer is terrible. The digital tinkering is way too noticable and its downright abominable at times with the DNR and AI edge enhancement in many of the scenes. We could've gotten a proper 4k transfer from the original film negatives like Alien had a while ago, but Cameron unfortunately took the lazy way out with this transfer.

[@Soopadave66]

@@Eva01-jy2qu7pu9r are you crazy?

[@edrooney1967]

I watched the new 4K disk back-to-back with the old blu-ray (Quadrology): While I appreciate a slightly enhanced color palette and the higher resolution, I think Cameron has lost all sense of proportion: This isn’t the movie I loved anymore. The grain is gone and so is all hint of filmic appearance and especially atmosphere. Cameron’s revisionary version looks absolutely clean and lifeless, the sets seem unrealistic and stagey, often cheap, and the colors seem to pop right out of a soap opera.

[@paulj5336]

Shane i can't remember, did you ever review the first movie on uhd?

[@randysalsman6992]

Yes, he did.

[@randysalsman6992]

Yes, he did.

[@Petric2016]

Muy mal aprovechado el Dolby Atmos y la remasterización de la imagen.

[@damonappel]

I actually love this video transfer, and I've owned the movie over the years on 'everything': Laserdisc, widescreen laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray. As Cameron has explained, the film the movie was shot on wound-up being a bit experimental and not the best of its era. I've no problem with the cleanup done on this: it's respectful, while making the film look amazing and engaging in a way I haven't experience it since the original Theatrical release. I am grateful for your technical Atmos analysis, which confirms my less-impressed take on the audio. While I still might have to watch the movie again with sound up a little higher (I had it a couple notches on the conservative side, for the neighbors' sake), but your Atmos Viewer and review confirms what I'd felt: a less-than mind blowing audio configuration. Another review from weeks back had left me expecting a lot more of it, and I just didn't think the audio track matched the level of modernization the video had been put through. Not a slouch, but not a reference quality Atmos mix, either.

[@MrTimFilms]

You’re back! Thank you so much❤

[@cheekster777]

Thank you Shane.

[@kennethgross8079]

I’ve seen Aliens many times on many formats and I really liked this new transfer. Being able to eliminate much of the film grain while maintaining (if not increasing) most of the detail is a winning formula for me. A big thumbs up for the video on the 4K.

[@Bluboy30]

Nice to see Shane doing disc reviews again! When's the tour video of your new theater coming out?

[@EnterTheSoundscape]

5:24 Why does Ripley look like she’s 60 years old? Her skin looks like sandpaper.

[@Rockhurst22]

Great review. I may be interested in this for the video upgrade but the atmos mix is hilarious like, the only atmos mixing is literally a couple objects.

[@jedimasterreg]

Shane, glad to see that you are back doing 4K reviews! It looks like you have some new "energy" in this review with a bit more "edge" with your comments. Looking forward to seeing more UHD reviews from you!

[@jctai100]

I'll probably still get this, but I'm keeping my 2014 blu-ray.

[@rosstee]

Yeah I love this movie enough that I need to see this version for myself, but I get the feeling I'll go back to the blu-ray for future viewings as the sweet spot for detail with authenticity.

[@northeastcorals]

@@rosstee Yeh I want to see this just out of curiosity but I know for a fact I'll go back to the non-AI classic version.

[@nelsong27]

Totally agree with your assessment. Except the Atmos track sounds better overall, I popped in my bluray copy and the Atmos mix is much more dynamic. But not a lot in the overheads like you said.

[@DevilFan669]

I got this on 4K and it was really good on 4K and it’s surprised that you are back now on doing 4K reviews lol 😂 bro 😎 but nice to see you back on doing 4k reviews too man!

[@NiceGuyAidey]

IMO and no offence to anyone, the new look to the film ruins it.... the soldiers look like cosplayers roaming around a Disney theme park ride, just the new look ruins the atmosphere .... imo

[@top6ear]

My uncle did the soundtrack to iron eagles 2 and Care Bears, he told me 80s movies had horrible sound they would take a razor and scrape off magnetic material from audio tape to simulate a really fast fade out.

[@hababacon]

I got the Vudu version a few months. I had made a 4K upscale version of the special edition, denoised, but without HDR. The Vudu DV looked damn good, I'm still thinking about the physical release to feed my Sony 800X BR player.

[@hababacon]

I ordered the physical copy as well, delivery scheduled for Tuesday.

[@taqyon]

Amazon just dropped off my copy, already ripped it, ready for my Zidoo. Sneak peaked on my PC! Gonna be epic!

[@2Timothy2.15]

Love how the Aliens 4K looks. Top Ten 4K upgrades for me.

[@88detour]

I really like this 4K transfer despite its increased detail. I agree removing the mist and grime does take away from the more cinematic look. Aliens was never an attractive looking movie. The grain was very obtrusive looking at times. It had very little detail due to the fog effects used. If any movie deserved a little TLC it would be Aliens. I think this is the best transfer to date.

[@billwoolcott4932]

I definitely liked to grainy picture but still have to see the new 4K on my OLED

[@alim998097]

I also read that this is not a true 4K scan, they reused the previous 2K scan and then applied the AI algorithm to create a 4K DI. This seems awfully shady as they will say it’s semantics. Other audiophiles have mentioned in some forums that they felt the old DTS-HD MA 5.1 has better and tighter bass.

[@northeastcorals]

Yeh Shane says its an AI-upscale, which is a travesty as far as I'm concerned (& from the clips on here it looks extremely C.G).

[@GameSack]

I didn't like the video quality in this one at all. From what I read, they AI upscaled a 1080p transfer, not a 4K DI. I wish they would've just rescanned it in 4K (or higher), adjusted the HDR and then left well enough alone. The director of Aliens would've loved that and it would've been great, but instead we got the director of Avatar 2 mucking with things and he approved this. You might think they're the same person, but in NAME ONLY! I hate modern Cameron, love pre-Titanic 3D Cameron to death (that's where he fell in love with DNR). I thought the sound was fine... nothing special, nothing bad. Of its time. Which is how the picture should be, just in 4K. Don't understand grain haters.

[@northeastcorals]

Your comment seems to against the majority of this comments section but in my opinion you are 100% correct my friend.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

I was left feeling disappointed. James Cameron using AI to denoise the film became a problem for me. I prefer noise. Warts and all. I picked it up but the bluray is miles better. I wish he would stop sapping the joy out of his films and making everyone look like plastic wax figures.

[@lucasromerova6150]

I've watched Aliens once as a kid so I don't think missing Grain will hurt me I've been waiting to watch Alien 4K until this was available!

[@jeshuruncarlos6649]

Your Video Looks a Bit Wide Angled

[@ryanlu5722]

oppenheimer when?

[@FireKidSFFD]

been waiting on that one

[@Prodrummer1603]

Thanks for your honesty in regards to the digital look. You give your personal take while also acknowledging that others might have different opinions. I personally don't like the removal of Grain and AI sharpening and would prefer directors would be more "proud" if the movie was shot on film. A grade 4K scan of an analog film stock can still look great (as seen in Black Hawk Down). But I guess James Cameron wanted the movies to look this way so all we can do is moan a little bit and vote with our purchase. The old Blu-Ray of Aliens does not have the same issues and still looks good enough for me so I skip the upgrade.

[@wadimek116]

Can't wait to buy, just a month or two more waiting for new speakers and then buying both titanic and aliens and few more movies to watch.

[@JWickyJr13]

I’m not gonna get into how good or bad the movie is…the real question is has anyone who has ever watched Aliens, not liked it?

[@nicholassheffo5723]

There is no upscaling! 35mm film, is natural and far high definition than 4K.

[@tjdw5251]

that would be true if the film were scanned in at 4k or any resolution above 4k, but here they have used an old 2k master of the film and used AI to Upscale that 2k master to 4k. So here there is upscaling, if it were restored properly there would be no upscaling but it wasn't so there is.

[@nicholassheffo5723]

@@tjdw5251 I cannot confirm that, but if true, that is a disaster and all the more reason to scan the best surviving 70mm blow-up materials, but know it is the exact same master as used for the 2011 Blu-ray. Sad that film stick did not hold up, but Kodak eventually perfected those types to what we know know as Vision 3. We'll see what else we find out about soon too.

[@behrangbarzin]

Starting Over😉

[@JairusJ]

Let’s gooo