AI Noise Reduction BATTLE! | Which Tool Reigns Supreme & What ELSE Can You Do?

[@GlennBartley]

I'm looking forward to trying the new DXO. We can discuss on the show! 😃

[@houserhythm]

About 1:20 - properly exposing in camera is only important on Canon. Other brands (using Sony sensors) are ISO invariant, so lifting shadows in post does the exact same thing as raising ISO in camera. (Yes, there is also dual native ISO to consider, but in most cases the 2nd base ISO is so low, that you wouldn't be shooting below it, even when underexposing.)

[@jan_wegener]

I can’t say that’s my experience with the A1 or A9 III

[@houserhythm]

@@jan_wegener no idea about A9 III if it's ISO invariant, being a totally new type of sensor. But I do own the A1 and everything shot past ISO 500 (the 2nd native ISO) looks the same, whether raised in post or in camera. Also true for A7R V, past ISO 320, which I also own. And for the Z 8 past ISO 500, which I also had for ~2 months. If you shot the A1 at ISO 320, for example, then raised it 1 stop in post, yes, it would look worse than shooting at ISO 640, bacause in post you wouldn't benefit from that "boost" at ISO 500.

[@HotGates]

Yes tried DxO Pureraw 4 yesterday and bought it right away it's that good, Thanks for the video!

[@jan_wegener]

Yes the changes have been bigger than in the past

[@crxbb9506]

Jan thanks for another clear, gets right to the point -what really matters in bird photography with this review. No fluff just the facts with the processed images to back it up.

[@jan_wegener]

Glad it was helpful!

[@PaulGibbings01]

I use ON1 Photo Raw and definitely find that their auto performance over sharpens the images, and although AI it defaults to exactly the same settings regardless of the iso used. Every time they ask for feedback I tell them to reduce the level of sharpening, but there has been no change yet. Having said that a quick play with the sliders can normally make dramatic improvements.

[@WernerBirdNature]

Hi Jan, as a DxO Photolab user, I've been spoiled get the newer DeepPrime methods half a year earlier than PureRAW, but this great update didn't reach the new PhotoLab 7.5 yet .. I fear I'll have to wait for 8.0 somewhere in October. I did notice yesterday, DxO now has the profiles for your old 600/4 ii with extenders .. exactly what you had been begging for before getting the RF version. But (when you have time ;-)) you could reprocess some old noise images now with PureRAW 4 !

[@garymeredith2441]

Jan , I love the photo of that Wompo fruit Dove you got perfect timing if the fruit between the bills of that Bird oh that's a beautiful photo of that Wompo Dove there in Australia we don't have Doves that colorful here in the U. S. .

[@stevenwaldstein2249]

Thank you for the video. This past week I upgraded my PureRAW3 to PureRAW4 but haven’t had a chance to do much processing with it yet. Looking forward to seeing the new results with it. Take care.

[@TaiwanisMoving]

Upgraded from PureRaw 1 to 2, but skipped 3. I think 4 will be worth the upgrade. It's discounted for previous PureRaw buyers too.

[@bentleybloodworth4282]

Have you tried the Lightroom Lens Blur in the right panel? It does blur out noise in the out of focused areas. You can adjust the intensity and focus range, plus use the brush to add or subtract the focus area. I use it to get a start then use the masking area to further work it if needed. I too use the denoise in Detail but the Lens blur is an option for some cases.

[@davidsherrington59]

I upgraded from DXO Raw 3. I find the preview a big benefit. Certyainly worth the extra cost

[@matthewcullen7106]

At this point I'm using DXO PureRAW for almost all of my wildlife photos. I've been using it since version 2, and I agree with you that PureRAW 3, at least on default settings, actually seemed to produce slightly sharper or more detailed images, but the ones in 4 are cleaner and seem to have fewer artifacts.

[@jan_wegener]

Yep!

[@nancyross2897]

Thank you this Jan. I use an iPad Pro to edit and unfortunately companies are falling behind in making programs that works with iPad, so I’m stuck with Lightroom for iPad and yes there is a noise reduction slider , but nothing like the ones in photoshop , topaz and others ! I hope soon

[@hansforsstrom5772]

Good to see how PureRaw keeps getting better. Your results with Topaz Photo AI is really surprising. I’ve used it extensively for at least a year now and never ever got such awful results as the ones your showing. Using its auto-pilot mode is usually not the best but still much better than the results you got here. Tweaking the settings and using its powerful masking tools, especially in the just released new version of Photo AI, gives me consistently better results than I manage to squeeze out of DXO PureRaw 3. PureRaw has superior camera-lens models for optical corrections but instead it sharpens the entire image and that way often makes a nice out of focus background not so nice anymore in the final result. Well, with that said I must try PureRaw 4 as soon as possible. And, I would really like it if you make a follow up comparison with the latest version of Topaz Photo AI using its masking and tweaking possibilities.

[@iyengarfamily9443]

I agree 100 percent. All the things mentioned about DXO Pure Raw 4 to get a preview and also changing the strength of the noise or sharpening can be done in photo AI. Not sure why a standard one shot of Photo AI is used when the same DXO details with sliders are shown. A fair comparison would show both tools to compare. Big fan of yours but I felt this was biased toward DXO

[@jan_wegener]

I was using the latest version of topaz and played around with the sliders, I didn’t do any selective masking. For PR4 I used the standard settings. When I opened the file in topaz it analysed it and then gave me the RAW option with a few sliders that I moved around to get the nicest looking result. I have gotten better results in the past, but on these two images I didn’t find a great setting that improved a lot what I was seeing.

[@hansforsstrom5772]

@@jan_wegenerthanks for replying, I guess different images can get different results but these examples probably wasn’t the best. Keep up the good work, I like watching your videos.

[@hansforsstrom5772]

@@iyengarfamily9443good to hear it wasn’t just me😊

[@jan_wegener]

@@hansforsstrom5772 I just picked two random images from 2 different bodies and companies. But results will vary for sure

[@MGriff-q1i]

I have recently moved to DXO Pure Raw4 from Topaz. I didn’t like trying to use Topaz with the Nikon 180-600 lens. DXO4 does so well with the images this lens produces using the default settings. I use it as stand alone program. Thanks for the tip about storing the resulting large dng files on the desktop and deleting them later. I will try that. It makes sense. I like to apply DXO to my prints but it does create duplicates which are 3 times bigger than the originals.

[@Metragnome_Images]

I'm finding the denoise in the current Lightroom CC does a great job.

[@timdeen2911]

Hey Jan. Have you also looking into the masking with Adobe photo enhance? I think it allows for finding balance in NR between the back ground and the subject. The background can then be adjusted later on with additional NR and saturation. This is all in Lightroom though.

[@jan_wegener]

With enhance itself you cannot mask

[@ptvfr800]

Thanks Jan, good advice! what I would suggest people do is take advantage of the free trials being offered, as it seems the results you get can be influenced by the camera brand you are using! for example, Anthony Morganti found that Adobe didn’t work very well on Ricoh images but was good with Sony ..

[@jan_wegener]

Yes there will be differences. Even between images form the same camera depending on the scene

[@markcasebeer8273]

Great review. My results using version 4 are close to yours. What I like about DXO is processing ISO files around 2500 and below it does an excellent job with noise and details. I think high ISO 6400 and above I go with Adobe Denoise. My wish for Adobe Denoise would be able to add a little sharpening with Denoise. Working in Lightroom, the faster processing comes from working within the program.

[@stingom7152]

Thank you for sharing this. Very helpful to illustrate the benefit of using DxO PureRaw 4 for high ISO shots

[@jan_wegener]

Glad it was helpful!

[@frankbalde1956]

As a follower of your inspiring channel I tried DXO PureRaw 4 today. I have been using Topaz Denoise for many years now, and was always satisfied because of the quality and its speed, especially compared to LR Classic's Denoise AI. So I timed the differences and took some of my photo's shot with the Nikon Zf at ISO 10000 of various birds. It took DXO 3 times more time to process than Topaz, but the result is simply....amazing! No artefacts, you still keep a DNG file instead of TIFF with Topaz and it runs completely in the background so you can do other things as well. Thanks for this comparison video, I will definitely purchase DXO and now I know that I can set my max ISO easy to 26500 in darker environments.

[@jan_wegener]

Thanks for sharing and glad it’ll help you going forward

[@danhiggins8733]

Very helpful! I shoot a lot of field sports night game with difficult lighting. I have been using Topaz DeNoise and sometimes Adobe Enhance. I now have a Sony a93 which does not have quite the DR of my former Sony A1. But it looks like moving to PureRaw 4 I will be able to push my ISO at least one more stop and still get satisfactory results. Your comparisons were very helpful!

[@jan_wegener]

Yes it helps for sure, A9 III may not be supported. Make sure to double check

[@bricoschmoo1897]

Hey, thanks a lot for this video ! Pure raw 4 seems to be enough of an improvement over 3 to have ma purchase the upgrade without waiting for version 5.

[@russellthorstrom6084]

Thanks Jan for your review on the noise reduction softwares!

[@BW_Maher]

Looks like DXO finally improved the Destination folder options. There is now a radio button that allows you to save the revised file back to the original location. I'll probably just stick with Adobe enhance though. Usually sufficient for my needs.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes that’s good

[@ookiemand]

Very nice to see the results side by side in 4K!

[@jan_wegener]

Glad you like it!

[@noelchignell1048]

DXO pure raw 3 has really impressed me: basically witch craft but it looks like the pure raw 4 is a big upgrade. Hope it has lens profiles for my 30 year old EF 300mm L f/2.8 and EF 400mm L f/2.8 lenses

[@adamting428]

Top vid 👍 Just as my demo version of DXO raw v3 was about to expire, Adobe released Enhance. Wonder if they will pull the same trick again with Enhance V2? 😊

[@dave8052]

I've used Topaz Denoise and Photo AI but both produce a strange grid pattern on the background with certain images so unusable. Made a mistake and bought DXO once based on reviews and my images came back out from their noise reduction 1 stop down in exposure on my MacBook Pro. They had no answer or reason for it, apparently I was the only one who had this issue. I'm sticking with Adobe AI noise reduction for now, sufficient for my needs.

[@jan_wegener]

In the earlier versions of DXO the images always came out darker, but not anymore. I get that grid pattern as well sometimes which renders images useless so I don’t use those programs often

[@renestaempfli1071]

This is why is love the zebra function in the SONY cameras. You immediately see where you overexpose. You can then make an intelligent decision to correct it.

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

I agree, though I don't think it's unique to Sony. My Canon R7 also allows me to activate the real-time zebra display in the EVF/ rear LCD.

[@renestaempfli1071]

@@wellingtoncrescent2480Oh good, I only use SONY, so I don't know which other brands also have the Zebra function for stills.

[@jan_wegener]

I think Sony is one of the only brands that has zebras in photo mode. Canon has it only in video

[@wellingtoncrescent2480]

@@jan_wegener Yes, you're right. And until you pointed out the discrepancy, I wasn't missing it in stills mode! Now, I'm sure I will 😀

[@dong249]

I’ve been using it on Olympus camera for more than 10 years

[@Twobarpsi]

I'm looking forward to trying the trial version of DXO!! Good video and advice!

[@reginaldwalton]

I'm rolling with the Noise Reduction built right in LRC. For me, it works surprisingly good AND it's already part of LRC, so I don't have to pay for extra software.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes, that’s probably the best way to go for most

[@davidburton2294]

Did I see a teaser for a mirrorless D500 Jan? I'd like to see that!

[@jan_wegener]

all Z8s in this video

[@PhotoGearFun]

Thanks so much for the video. I bought your prosets can you tell me which one you used at around 6:32 of this video? Thanks so much.

[@jan_wegener]

I think vibrant more contrast and I brightened it a bit more afterwards. Oops I underexposed would work here well to is say

[@PhilEVignolaJr]

​@@jan_wegener thanks so much!

[@HellBatDC]

I picked up Pureraw 4 today. They don't have the Nikkor 135 Plena lens profile in the database yet, even though it's in Version 3.3. That caught me off guard a little bit. Hopefully there is a point release update soon to add any lenses not in the release database.

[@jan_wegener]

Oh, that’s odd

[@woodygreen6826]

Now that I have learned how to use Adobe denoise, that is my go to for high ISO. Topaz was great when it came out, but has been surpassed, in my opinion. I do still use Topaz Denoise (NOT Photot AI) for files with just a small amount of noise because it is quick and I like the way it applies some good sharpening at the same time.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes I usually use that too when needed at the end

[@cutsandcodas]

I use adobe denoise in LR as well as DXO PR4, and I think your assessment is correct. DXO produces better results, especially at higher ISO, and I think their demosaicing is slightly better than Adobe when it comes down to fine details. With that said, Denoise is still a good option and it's far better than the basic LR/ACR noise reduction.

[@timholman6997]

My first try using Lightroom AI enhance. thanks for the tips.

[@jan_wegener]

Happy to help!

[@MarkusGebhard]

have you tried DXO Photolab 6 Elite or Photolab 7? There are a lot more adjustments you can use to fine tune the noise reduction than with PureRaw

[@jan_wegener]

I haven’t lately. I want the denoise features but keep the rest of my workflow, so it’s not as attractive to me

[@j4kke046]

Awesome job comparing Jan!

[@jan_wegener]

Thanks

[@axelhildebrandt]

Looks very promising, I liked PureRAW 3, great that DXO improved it even more.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes it seems to be a fair jump this time

[@leniehulse1621]

Very helpful video ! How do you estimate how much percentage to use in taking out the noise in Adobe Lr? I have used Lr to enhance but most times it softens the image too much.

[@jan_wegener]

I usually go around 35-50%

[@steveherman1283]

Thanks Jan that is great analysis. I have been experimenting with these noise reduction tools and I also have been leaning towards pure raw 4 and lightroom. But my 3 year old Dell laptop has been overheating and slowing. On a bad day it is taking more than 20min. to process one file in lightroom, so not doing that much. Today I took delivery of a16" Macbook Max M3, 16 core cpu, 40 core gpu, & 64 ram, hoping that will run a bit faster.

[@jan_wegener]

You’d hope that can do it in under 20sec

[@ruley74]

Nice mate, might be time for me to upgrade my DXO PL to the latest. That’s a decent improvement.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes, the changes have been the biggest in a while

[@TaraTanaka]

Thanks for this great video! I'm finding your Prosets to be very useful. I am finding that DeNoise does not obey selections from PS, i.e. if I select the subject, then select the inverse, then run DeNoise from PS, it still processes the whole image. Is that your experience? Thanks!

[@jan_wegener]

That's great to hear! Enhance only works on the whole image

[@TaraTanaka]

@@jan_wegener Thank you Jan. I actually just got Photo AI yesterday. Lots of functionality w/in the application itself. I am seeing quite a bit of sharpening using just the noise reduction function with the sharpening all the way off. I'll be interested to see if you do a review of the newest Photo AI version :-).

[@lightsonwalden7780]

Is the Adobe Enhance you discuss the same as Noise Reduction built in to Lightroom? Or is it a separate program? Great video, than you for the comparison video!

[@jan_wegener]

You have to right click enhance in Adobe

[@lightsonwalden7780]

@@jan_wegener Thank you!

[@63barty]

Brilliant review Jan, thank you.

[@jan_wegener]

Glad you liked it!

[@mikegrundy6405]

Hi Jan,,, Is there any software that can improve noisy JPG files ? I have some older JPG's for which I no longer have the RAW file (mistake !) and would love to improve them if possible, Can it be done or does all the AI based software need the original RAW file. ? Mike

[@jan_wegener]

Good question. Topaz would probably work on it

[@markwalker8374]

Hi Jan, so you can still pull a usable image at 51,200 at 1/15th using an R5. Based on your experience what other cameras can achieve this - or could this be a subject for another video? Does the choice of lens matter as most people can't afford a 600mm F4?

[@jan_wegener]

Probably must recent mirrorless. At these settings it’s mainly luck. Not something I would recommend doing regularly

[@NickTheGreek-m3x]

Hello Jan! Beautiful video! I wanted to ask you what would you do in my case. I am a beginer bird photographer in Greece and I want to improove my current gear (canon 10d, sigma 24-150). My budget is arround 200 euros (+ -150$). I have found in facebook marketplace a canon r10 with a short kit lens for 1050 euros and a canon r6 for 1200 euros. I dont know which one to buy because of the lens selection. I want at least 600mm. So if you read this please tell me which camera would you choose and with which lens would you combine the camera. I apologise for my english and the long text. Cheers Nick.

[@Titus_]

What's your budget again? You listed 2 1k€ cameras but said your budget is 200€? Is that a typo?

[@NickTheGreek-m3x]

@@Titus_ Sorry. My budget is 2000 euros.

[@Titus_]

@@NickTheGreek-m3x R10 sounds good - what about the R7? I think any left over money is best invested into nice(er?) lenses. What go used Sigma/Tamron 150-600 for in Greece?

[@NickTheGreek-m3x]

@@Titus_ I can byy the sigma 150-600 new from USA cause I have a brother there. I can also buy thhe r7 from there.

[@Titus_]

@@NickTheGreek-m3xI would start off with comparing the R10 and R7 prices - the R7 is the better and more expensive camera, but by how much from where you are / compared to what your brother can get it? Unforunately, Im in Europe too, but the Canon Refurbished sales are INSANE (basically barely used gear that Canon reviewed I think), theres currently a R7 for 1120$ At the same time they have a R10 for 790$ Rest of your budget for a nice lens then?

[@timjohnson8871]

I’m not familiar with Abode Enchance that you refer to in the video. Is that a feature of Lightroom or Photoshop, or is it a separate Adobe product? Thanks.

[@jan_wegener]

It’s part of photoshop and Lightroom. Just right click on your raw and go to enhance

[@MLJ7424]

I bought your prosets imported them into LRc V 13.2 from zip , why do they Not show up in presets instead of profiles , I'm kinda new to LRc Thank you for covering PureRaw4 as well think I'm going to pick it up

[@jan_wegener]

They are not presets, but a mix of profile and preset, so they will show up in the profile drop down menu after you make them a favourite. There’s a pdf guide and video coming with them to help you install them correctly

[@robertatwell7615]

Ján, Just wondering what version of Topaz Photo AI you were using for this comparison. V2.4 allows you to use layers that will analyze the subject and background separately. Noise reduction is a balance between detail, noise reduction, and sharpening. Moreover, that balance is highly dependent upon the illumination level because at high iso values overexposure introduces noise just as underexposure does. The difference is that these are two different types of noise. Just wondering what version you used for Topaz photo AI

[@jan_wegener]

I used whichever one was the latest available yesterday, which was 2.4 I believe. It did a bunch of analysis at the start Then it opened the raw Modul and had a few sliders to work with. It definitely works better on some other photos with a bit less noise

[@robertatwell7615]

@@jan_wegener Did you try the layers masking on the subject and background separately? I am finding that it makes a big difference. I am also finding that the automatic settings can be a bit heavy and the sliders are really important with Topaz photo AI. The same is true with the sharpening. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@DanBetty]

Well based on this I went and downloaded DXO 4. Very nice!

[@jan_wegener]

Thanks

[@Mr.Zen_73]

looks like DXO4 will be my new noise reduction software! 🙂

[@rahulsharma-cg4sk]

It is really frustrating to pay for upgrades again and again.. I bought Dxo pure raw 2 then had to pay again to upgrade to Dxo pure raw 3 .. am sure to upgrade to Pure raw 4 we have to pay again. It is very expensive and heart wrenching to pay again and again in span of few months.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes, that's definitely a bit of a challenging model

[@letni9506]

I have been happy with the first pure raw. I still haven't upgraded but I'm thinking of getting the latest now as it will probably be after the summer ends until the next one. You have to try and resist upgrading every single version. It's easy for me because I'm careful with my money 😅

[@KurtisPape]

I'm still using Pureraw 2, I'm glad I skipped on pureraw 3 and now I might have to look into pureraw 4, for sure going to try the free trial 🙂 *Edit, just tried it on a few photos I have had troubles with previously and pureraw 4 worked perfect, the background didn't have any banding issues which is amazing! If I upgrade, do I still get to keep Pureraw 2? any ideas?

[@csc-photo]

I grabbed PureRAW3 just 4 months ago. The problem is when you get a new body, the older versions aren't updated to include new gear, once the next version comes out. So in the case of my Z8, PureRAW2 was incompatible. That's my only negative with PureRAW, it's a "forced" upgrade path if you upgrade gear. It's a pretty fair upgrade fee, but still.

[@KurtisPape]

@@csc-photo Ah bummer, my Sony A1 worked with pureraw2, maybe that was one of the last cameras to be added. Do you did get to keep your old program? Pureraw2 does have an issue, it adds a huge vignette correction making the corners over exposed, only happens with my A1 files and this with the corrections off as well. Pureraw4 still does this but when I turn off the correction it actually turns off now which is nice.

[@jan_wegener]

Yes you will get to keep it

[@colintraveller]

I read on fb that Topaz sharpen increased from $69,99 to $199 . Tho unsure if the cheaper price was an enticer for folks to buy .

[@jan_wegener]

That’s quite the jump! Usually there’s always some sales through that year

[@hansforsstrom5772]

I believe that for 199$ you get the hole Topaz Photo AI suite, not only Sharpening.

[@jan_wegener]

that makes more sense !@@hansforsstrom5772

[@edmarsh5708]

Can one mask in Dxo?

[@briansmall3090]

Hey Jan............can DXO be used as a plug in through Photoshop or is it a stand alone product only?

[@jan_wegener]

I am not entirely sure. I think it does integrate with Lr, but since you need to run it on the RAW file first I suppose for PS you may have to create that dng first and the open it in ACR

[@snug001]

Is the built in lightroom reducing noise Adobe Enhanse too ?

[@jan_wegener]

You start Adobe enhance with a right click in the raw

[@AdamAlo-r2y]

I have canon r7. Can I use Dxo pure 4 for C raw files?

[@jan_wegener]

yes

[@derekoneill6727]

Will your Pro Sets work with Lightroom mobile on my ipad Pro

[@jan_wegener]

I believe so, you just have to be able to install them, which may be slightly different to the computer version

[@Chris_Wolfgram]

Hmmmmmm..... I haven't tried DXO PR version 4 yet.... But already I'm kind of torn. I always process my shots from a particular photo trip in a batch, which is to say > all the shots I culled from the trip. If I took 1000 shots, I might decide to process 20 of them. So with all these different options in settings, their is never going to be 1 setting which is best for all the photos from my trip :( The beauty of the earlier versions was, I could just drop them in and hit "process". Then, if they needed a touch more noise removal, or sharpening, I could always do that manually, as a final step in Topaz. I guess I could just go "really light" on all the settings, and still do that ? I almost clicked the link for the free trial.... but I'd rather wait to try that after my 1 month birding road trip in April / May.

[@jan_wegener]

You can still do the same and the standard settings will be applied to all photos, which worked best for me anyways

[@davepastern]

Hi Jan - I'm still using DXO Pure RAW v2 - how much of an improvement is v4 over v2 do you reckon?

[@jan_wegener]

I think it’s a fair jump

[@davepastern]

@@jan_wegener OK. It'll be a few months before I can afford the upgrade (lots of shit happening sadly, none of it good).;

[@Cloudedgtag]

Do you denoise before or after you edit?

[@jan_wegener]

Before, right at the start

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

I used DXO 4 for the first time yesterday and found it to be MUCH slower in processing than 3. Any settings to improve that?

[@jan_wegener]

Unfortunately only a faster graphics card may help. It’s interesting though, since it was the same on mine, so I wonder which piece of hardware is holding it back for you

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

@@jan_wegener NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 card. 64GB Ram. I tried changing the settings in DXO Preferences for it to use the card, and it tried, but gave an error after a few seconds.

[@jan_wegener]

@@Trigger-xw9gq it’s definitely an older card, which could be one reason it slows

[@Trigger-xw9gq]

@@jan_wegener Yup, time for a new GPU card.

[@sigurdrille9693]

.@@Trigger-xw9gq … or just stick with DXO 3, not a bad program…

[@hstein27]

What version of Topaz Photo AI are you using? They made a lot of changes last week with 2.4.0. However, the last few releases have tended to over-sharpen in auto-pilot mode. This is probably what happened to you with the parrot. Sometimes I do get a checkerboard pattern in the sky with Topaz, and then I just give up and use Lightroom enhance. However, DXO 4 looks like it might be worth trying out!

[@jan_wegener]

I used whichever was the latest yesterday, which I believe was 2.4

[@Alex-iu8xx]

Doesn't seem good enough to buy and replace adobe lightroom denoise. But glad there are competitors putting pressure on adobe!

[@jan_wegener]

Yes competition always helps

[@JBRose]

I'm done with DXO. Just upgraded to Pureraw 3, three months ago. They won't upgrade me for free. The cost of the software is Turning out to be more than an Adobe subscription. I'll just use Adobe Denoise AI,

[@letni9506]

I want to upgrade but it says it costs £109 which i expected but when i click to upgrade its still £109. Surely that's not the upgrade price?

[@jan_wegener]

There should be a discount I believe, but not sure

[@henrikw377]

And people still swear by Topaz over DxO... Madness. Topaz has never been close.

[@gilleslast3561]

People from US, maybe ?

[@adinew8920]

Thanks......

[@jan_wegener]

You're welcome!

[@tonyw3250]

It would be nice to have a disclaimer saying what sponsorship or payment you have with these companies so we can make up our own minds whether it's an unbiased review

[@jan_wegener]

No payments or sponsorship with any. topaz and dxo have given me the software to use. So there’s no reason to favour anyone. And if someone buys the software with my link, I may get a small commission from either brand. Like with cameras, I use and share what I think is best. I never share something that I don’t think is good and wouldn’t use myself

[@vitaminb4869]

I don't see how Lightroom is easier to use than Dxo when Dxo is integrated with Lightroom and just opens up a window like the Ehnance in Lightroom does. Dxo also works faster by about 20% on my computer. It sharpens where Lightroom just removes noise. So no, Lightroom AI denoise is not easier in any way. It's the same. Don't see Dxo 4 being significantly better than 3, maybe worse even. Dxo 3 looks a hair more detailed and leaves a bit of noise in for a more natural look. Never noticed any aftifacts with 3 either. Not convinced to upgrade at all.

[@jan_wegener]

Thanks for sharing

[@E3Zombie]

What I don't like is how much the colour changes, until all the AI noise tools fix this I will stick to having more noise in my shots

[@jan_wegener]

Which one changes the colours for you?

[@E3Zombie]

The shot you show at 6:34 the hue of the greens is totally changed by the AI. It’s not as big a deal with landscapes and animals but when you’re working with people these slight changes can be really noticeable

[@wahrsoba]

Unfortunately there are visible color changes with both Adobe and Topaz Denoise. I haven't tested Pure RAW in this regard yet, but I will in the coming days.

[@dbenedict357]

Adobe Enhance? You mean Adobe Denoise AI?

[@jan_wegener]

Well, you right click and go to enhance

[@dbenedict357]

@@jan_wegener oh man.. I always was already adjusting sliders out to the right and in the DETAIL section there is a DENOISE button which is what I used. Bad UI design by Adobe I guess to call it two different things when accessing it two different ways.

[@jan_wegener]

@@dbenedict357I guess cause the denoise is doing it on your raw, whereas enhance creates a new file

[@boalter9629]

Do Not buy DXO. The Software frequently asks new for the activation Code and After 4 times Blocks completely. And DXO does Not answer.

[@simsurfvideo]

pure raw 4 looks best

[@dicekolev5360]

All this is very valid but you guys never mention that this now requires much more and much higjer subscription for using these software solutions that I am no longer support. Just my choise I guess but noise was never qn issue for me either cus I love filmic vibe no matter if portrait of a person or a bird. That's where the subjectivity of "beautiful photo" comes into play 🤠

[@jan_wegener]

Technically most of these are still stand alone software, but they kind of force you to update every year so it becomes like an expensive sub

[@MrPjtmac]

Don't buy from DXO. Their support is WORSE than terrible.

[@michaelp9574]

79€ nach so kurzer Zeit für ein Upgrade? Sorry, absolute Frechheit. Ich ärger mich schon das ich das 3er gekauft habe. Upgrade für 35€-45€ maximal wär ok für jemanden der bereits 120€ dafür ausgegeben hat. Bei 79€ bin ich raus und stinksauer.....So vergrault man Kunden....

[@jan_wegener]

Kann ich verstehen, ich finde auch dass treue Kunden da etwas besser davonkommen sollten