AI STOLE MY ART?!

[@Ghost5O5]

Art is human, it's a timeless language that everybody knows. AI cannot replicate the feeling of creating simply out of passion, AI generates soulless imitations of art without any thought being put into it. Art is how we share love, machines cannot replace artists due to how inherently human art is.

[@ElsyOO366]

Well said ❤

[@elijaheumags5060]

By itself, it cannot. That is true, and in all honesty, only artists can truly bring those ideas and passions to life. That said, we cannot reject the potential for good that AI art generators can bring to artists, especially when used as a tool or as a medium to a piece that we wanted. AI art is not sentient, they are only a mere reflection of whoever uses this tool. Whether it may be used for good or evil, only the user can decide. People who use AI art generators need to learn to respect the artists who made it all possible and to acknowledge their wishes regarding the usage of their art. For without artists, AI art wouldn't be possible.

[@ElsyOO366]

@@elijaheumags5060 I understand what you're saying. Yes, AI arts does have its potential. It can be used as inspiration for artists to create their own works.

[@elijaheumags5060]

@@anapple6912 For some, they are just going to be satisfied with just the prompted results. And this includes adult content, which is practically the largest reason why alongside the improvements, its basically a giant motivator for most of the programmers there. (I mean, men are going to be men, this is the internet after all.) I knew of some posts of artists using AI art gens to create new work, or to help them with ideas like posing, composition, and what not. Some really do appreciate the effort that they have put into it.

[@innoxio]

​@@anapple6912 then you're in the wrong art circles, comments that praise time and effort spent are super common and many go into detail about their favourite features like shading, line art or composition even under nsfw art

[@AlienGhostii]

They shouldn't rob your art for AI learning with out your permision

[@savivnt]

?

[@MordecaiAndRigbyYourFired]

Yeah the robot can ask for permission lol

[@IAmSchwi]

​@@MordecaiAndRigbyYourFired The person using it can and should.

[@wrathengel82]

SPEK ENGLEESH

[@AlienGhostii]

@@wrathengel82 ?????

[@kitosanimations]

My dad says the main thing that AI art is lacking is just... humans. No passion, no life, no skills and no practice behind it. It's simply soulless. Wise words

[@bimates2690]

Kinda like a certain mustache man’s paintings. Outside of who created it, I would be surprised if they were sold. They’re so bland.

[@w1nterycl0uds54]

'Ai will replace artists!' ai art cant even draw themselves accepting the job and shaking people hands.

[@elijaheumags5060]

AI art still requires humans to actually make those generators work. And there are artists who actually use them in a manner that actually shows off our artistic skills with regards to our pieces, or even helps us as artists to ease the more tedious parts in our workflow, generate new ideas for our pieces, and even helps us in poses, colors, backgrounds, and what not. Just straight prompting for a single good looking output and ending at that is simply without caring or bothering if it really has a vision or a goal to it is just soulless however, and that is true.

[@googleyoflolz9930]

That and the ability to tell a human and a hoody apart 💀💀

[@HoshiNoAxo]

W dad

[@AwokenArtist]

[Had to make an edit cause I want to at least clarify that the people should of put their effort into making a tool to HELP artists even YOUNGER artists instead of making something thats harmful.the humans who made the ai should be very held accountable] not to mention people have fed dead artists work onto Ais [which honestly boils my blood further] and its really gross people still try so hard to defend Ai. If the guys made a tool that doesnt take existing works what so ever but have something that could help with poses or refs or something that can benifit alot that be great , however , Ai as of right now is just taking existing works of other peoples art and mash them together to make "new" art without their consent and sell for profit cause those thieves see how much you can sell for art so of course they try taking the short cut the thieves take by doing this. [just like the thieves who trace peoples works and claim it as theirs].

[@partygamingz3332]

Not to mention most people that defend how ai is being used just seems to disrespect artist and art as a medium, think its easy and ain't a real job. Like the same people that refuse to pay artist for their work. But they still depend on artist for profit or other things ironically enough

[@a_marshmallow_called_luka]

Wait people actually defend ai art? That's some bs right there

[@straawberryfieldsforever]

@@a_marshmallow_called_luka its always people who support stuff like NTFs or bashing artists for moderate pricing

[@a_marshmallow_called_luka]

@@straawberryfieldsforever off topic but I like ur pfp of soft bf :>

[@AwokenArtist]

@@partygamingz3332 Oh yeah for sure :/ which is super ridiculous. and also its interesting how these same asses shame and shit on artists but then sees the value of actual art and decided "lets steal by making ai cause money" and its like....really????

[@actuallyPoob]

Somebody once pointed out that the key difference between another artist and AI art is that humans are able to look at a piece of art and take inspiration from it and interpret it as something new in a unique style, thus making human art always unpredictable and ever changing. AI Art can only copy and replicate- therefore giving the result of almost an edit or a filtered image as it depends on the pre-existing art to be its medium.

[@elijaheumags5060]

Not necessarily copy. It can only infer and create something new out of the dataset that it was trained on, mainly to find patterns before assigning it to a variable, then having all those variable connect to each other in a matrix, like a latent space. For example, an AI model has been trained to look at apples, so whenever they see an apple, then it would be assigned to a variable, then it is then trained to recognize glass, so it is then assigned to a variable. When we ask that AI model to generate a glass apple, all it would do is to take the idea of what an apple looks like and what glass looks like, and fuse them to make a coherent image. The video from Vox regarding AI art explains it better than I could. It can create something new, but only from the knowledge that it has inferred, so its somewhat limited in that manner. And let's not forget, AI art generators are NOT SENTIENT. They can only make an output when a human activates it and types in the prompt. Now whether it is useful would depend on who is using it, and for artists, it could be a boon if used properly, since its going to help them with all the tedious parts in making art and helping them generate new ideas for their pieces. Of course jerks would ruin this for their own ego, profit, or some trolling against the Art community just to drink their tears. However not everyone in that space are like that, quite frankly, they are the vocal minority. There are artists too who think otherwise and are doing all sorts of things to make models that are ethically sourced. And they do respect artists in regards to the usage of their art in their models, and some of them are even contributing their own art to improve the models to help out the artists. It all comes down to who uses it, may it be for good or evil.

[@actuallyPoob]

@elijah eumags 👍👍 I'll have to give it a watch! But undoubtly AI art is here to stay.. it's a very tricky discussion in all honesty! Ultimately we shouldn't halt progress, and hopefully there can be median between human and AI art-- actually wholesome that there's people that do credit the sources they use to teach AI, that's genuinely really cool! Thank you for sharing! 🫡

[@Merenq]

Imo AI art shouldn't be taken as real art, but as a tool to draw something instead. I usually use AI just to have a very general concept of what I want to draw/when I have no idea on what to draw. Also I can pick up some really neat elements of different artstyles. It's a shame that the creators of the og art used in AI are not credited and/or are not even being asked if they want their art to be used in such purposes or not

[@bimates2690]

I see it as kind of what fan-artists do. Considering they don’t get permission (especially to monetize). Only thing keeping fan-art alive is the original artists allowing it for exposure. Ai should be used for fun (ex the lyrics video) or concepts tho.

[@PichuElric]

Ngl that's also what I do for fanfic!! AI prompts are pretty good but the structure and everything, as "proper" as it sounds, is clearly not creative enough to be a humans.

[@elijaheumags5060]

I guess it just comes down to respect to the artists in question. When they said to not use their art for AI art models, then we might as well respect their wishes. That is usually the case for some of the artists that I know of who are using AI art generators to help them in their work.

[@dawae7636]

YES! I had a creature called a mossum in mind but didn't know how to draw it so I put in its description in ai art then specified I wanted it to look like a real creature and bam! Tons of references for a mossum!

[@zephyrias]

Thats what Im doing with a bit of ai prompts. I have a few generated images I liked, about 10 or so. I plan on photo bashing the images to create something new. Tweak it a lot. It gave a nice color composition and pose and style I liked, if you zoom in, the details look like a smudgy mess. Theres no strokes like a real human would have. I used dall-e 1, it gave an impression of what I wanted.

[@raiisaking]

no, ai will never make "art". art is a feeling, it's made by you, a/the person, it may reflect your soul, or your whole being.

[@bimates2690]

Artist here, but let me remind you of “modern art.” That isn’t really art either. Literal banana taped to a wall, or “mop art.”

[@partygoer1930]

as an artist, i really gotta say that i really like your definition of real art

[@raiisaking]

@@partygoer1930 hey , thank you ! ^u^

[@raiisaking]

@@bimates2690 i responded to this , but it dissapeared.. let me say it again , its controversial , but i agree , older art had more value than the "modern art" , but dont worry , theres still so much good art out there , just hidden gems . the world is evolving , we cant stop time from moving yk , so well let us just appreciate those good art somewhere than give attention to that "modern art"

[@ava5030]

To me the most absurd thing is how much money and time some people invest in to this. Like you could use all those resources to automate or make certain jobs NOBODY wants to do easier, but nah, you instead invest so much in to trying to automate something people actually enjoy doing.

[@be7256]

because text and image ais are the easiest to make better you just throw a bigger dataset at it more data equals better ai when it comes to art and coherent text generation its just an easy industry to make an ai for

[@liljatupsu]

@@idiot46 I think sports is probably the best comparison. Art is a hobby, a skill, possibly a job. Not just a product. What makes it impressive is the hours of work put into learning the craft, not just the pretty picture. We have photos already. AI art is like putting robots on a football field so that sports is "accessible to the average consumer". You already get to see images for free, just like you can watch sports on a tv. But if you want to be a part of it, you need to put in the effort to learn! Sorry for the rant, you just inspired me

[@edwardhoffenheim3249]

Uh... This is a part of automating those jobs out. The current hyped up AI is being trained on a ton of stuff. You might think this is a targetted attack on artist but in the grand scheme of things, this is a small cog in a much bigger beast.

[@ava5030]

@@edwardhoffenheim3249 I don't think artists will ever be replaced looking at how things are going to be honest. For it to be possible, a machine would need to recreate how a human thinks and feels. And so far, non of the algorithms that exist are even trying that. If you think that a machine that only looks at already existing art and Frankensteins it together can do this, you misunderstand why humans create art and how they improve at it to begin with.

[@liljatupsu]

@@idiot46 Even if we were to consider AI art real art, the AI would be the artist and the prompter would just be a commissioner/requester. Writing a short description of an image has never been considered an artform

[@FlareLaunch]

You know what would have been nice? If they paid the artists for the images they used. They also could have just asked for volunteers and contributions that people wouldn’t mind the Ai using..Better yet, they could have commissioned artists for specific references that would be helpful in training the Ai rather than just mashing the entire internet in there. I’m pretty sure it would have worked fine considering how new and shiny AI was and a lot of people would want to see it grow, too late for that now.

[@3ntitythefox]

That sounds like good idea

[@gothicGumshoe]

Thing is, AI NEEDS thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of images to even start to learn how to make something that looks like a comprehensive piece of art. Artists know their worth and, rightfully so, can charge up into the hundreds for even one piece of art. You would need millions of dollars JUST to cover the cost of paying artists for their work to train your AI (not mentioning the cost of making and running these things), and it would also take a huge amount of time to get the art and feed it to your AI. Companies will always, ALWAYS take the shortcut and just mass-steal because it's FAR cheaper and FAR less time consuming. There is no way to do this ethically. Which is why it will always be a problem.

[@FlareLaunch]

@@gothicGumshoe well, there is a way to do this ethically, companies just don't have the patience for it. I think an independent team could figure this out if they really put the effort in, and maybe even surpass the larger corporations in being more transparent and ethical.

[@JSSMVCJR2.1]

@@FlareLaunch I can't help but think this would be better if it was a non-profit organization (but an actual one, not a for-profit facade). [Also, I think the keyword here is Moral. Ethics is just guidelines for something, Moral is what restrict, form, and regulate Ethics]

[@sadie4773]

I stopped by my dads place to check in on him and he was raving about how cool AI art is He showed me all the AI Art he had been experimenting with on his computer At that moment as an artist I finally understood completely how all the other artists were feeling about this I’ve never seen him this excited about art Especially my own I told him how I felt about it and he basically said “Suck it up because it’s gonna happen anyways” When I sat down and realized that all the hard work I had been putting into art all my life could one day be perfectly replicated if not made better at the click of a button made me feel so helpless and disappointed It made me worry for the future of artists since in the future we could be less and less sought out Sure some would understand and appreciate the humanity and personalization behind our commissions or other pieces, but many will probably turn their backs I now understood how much the thought has horrified artists speaking about this Anyways- that was dramatic Have a nice day 😭

[@undefinederror40404]

That's completely understandable, I had that feeling to for a while. My teacher used AI as a main subject his course this block, and art specific AI came up as well. He compared it to his experiences as a musician, in that field electronic music was seen as a threat too but in the end it hasn't destroyed all other genres. Or when recording machines came out, people thought it would be the end for live music as everything could be played anywhere at demand. But now.. yes, we don't usually have live bands in pubs or at most events anymore, but concerts are still a huge thing. Some norms and industry standards have been erased, some people indeed had their livelyhood taken away.. but, new opportunities were also created. It really scks that your dad behaved this way, I wonder if he really realized that he was behaving like he was more proud of a machine than if you- surely that should not be a parent's intent. But I hope that these examples can give you some relief. The way AI art is build now, based on stealing, has to be stopped. If we can manage that, it can become a tool for us just like drawing tablets and copy-paste functions. And even if your fam doesn't see or understand, I think your work has a heck of a lot more value than AI stuff. I get disheartened too sometimes, I'm nowhere near as good at art as I'd like to be.. but let's hold on and not let them take our creative outlets away :)

[@elijaheumags5060]

Honestly, in one aspect, your dad is wrong about this. Yes, AI art will get better to the point that it becomes indistinguishable from the real thing, but at the same time, there is still a need for artists in this world, even if AI art proliferates. Either they'll be the ones to guide the AI art generators to the outcome that people would like, or it will help make art easier in a sense that it would help them generate ideas, help them with poses, colors, backgrounds, etc., or even grant them a new medium to mix AI art with their own hand to create new pieces never before seen or realized. Not to mention that people will turn to artists mainly due to the low quality and directionless (and sometimes messy) results that AI art has when produced in massive quantities. People will get bored to it and feel like its just tiring and uninspired in general. Then people would have a newfound appreciation with Artists as they would rather like a piece of art that actually speaks to them and has been put in a great amount of skill, effort, heart, and soul into it. Ones that have a definite vision and idea behind it rather than just being good looking. We can argue at length on whether AI art is art nor not, but its mostly subjective at this point. But there's one thing that is true: Artists still matter, and AI art generators are merely just tools. It is up to us to see if its going to be used for good or evil.

[@yourdad3275]

it feels like most people who rave about AI art aren’t people who normally care about art. sure it’s technically impressive, but it’s nothing like the art i follow people for, or the art i make, for that matter. maybe that will change, but if it can only dilute existing art without the sensitivity to nuance and intent that comes with human experience, i don’t think it’ll be able to capture the same interest.

[@Cadapech]

@@yourdad3275 That's the point though, the people who WANT to pay the artists still will. AI art can be absolutely astounding and I love it, I'm also an artist and use AI art to learn more about anatomy that may be uncanny. I love its surrealness, I also love it as a base so that I can build my art off of it. However that doesn't mean the art theft should continue, if the AI is going to learn permission is going to be needed from the artists and then it will create its own style completely eventually. It's the lack of consent that is the issue, not the program itself.

[@sadie4773]

@@Cadapech I do agree One thing my comment didn’t mention is how peoples art is being used as examples to train the AIs which results in things like the watermarks staying on the finished result and rarely sometimes it’s obvious which art the result took its form from The results outputted by these AI are a Frankenstein of a bunch of different artists work and art styles, all taken and used for the computer based learning without their initial consent

[@shinypaintf588]

dude a guy who commissioned me went and put my drawing thru a blender of ai and then showed it to me. i was so uncomfortable, as if he wasn't my most challenging client ever already (both in what he asked me to draw and in his annoying personality). and it didn't even look good it came out without a face and w three legs. and he didn't learn his lesson. he paid for it so it was his but i'm putting that bullshit on my list of shit u shouldn't do to my art tyvm. ik i can't actually control what they do w it after it's theirs but like at least don't shove it in my face

[@anerrorhasoccurred8727]

It sounds like he was somehow trying to “prove a point” by commissioning you with something difficult and then putting it through AI?? If so then lmao cos it clearly didn’t work 💀

[@shinypaintf588]

@@anerrorhasoccurred8727 nah it was only challenging because his character had neon green hair and no personality so i couldn't think of a way of drawing her that would leave me satisfied, because if i changed the tiniest detail he threw a fit

[@fredericksaxton9782]

EXACTLY, i'm not good at explaining things personally. I'm actually getting sick of some people saying: "You're just jealous AI can do something in half the time you do, and people rather pay for that!" Like bruh, it's so fast because it's STEALING-

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

nah, it's fast bcs they have an RTX 4090

[@cmiusui7428]

no matter how good AI art can get, real art shows its passion and feeling that wasput into it.

[@thegreataxolotl1537]

Exactly! In the end, ai is jusy an algorithm, a big mathematical equation designed to find patterns. I know that ai will never fully take over art because it is just that, math. Some things are beyond patterns, the pain, joy, confusion, life that artists put into work. Beyond even art, there is something irrational about humans, about emotions, that an equation cannot replicate. Yes, simplicity like cartoons, shapes, and even some trends, pattern-seeking equations are just flat out superior to humans, and that is okay. Cnc machines didn't kill wood workers and metal cutters, assembly line rock cutters didn't destroy the masonry industry, and ai art will not replace artists, because in the end, art is art. It is easy to jump to hating it, but these industries were not hurt by atomization. Quite the contrary, actually. The robotic monotony replicating the same patterns over and over again highlighted the beautiful imperfections that were human art.

[@Izamuuu_234]

A human mind is more complex than ai. Besides famous traditional paintings weren't made by ai back then, it just shows how artists have greater imagination and creativity than just a simple robot who doesn't know what it's generating.

[@goowoo69420]

AI will never be better than real artists.

[@Aromantic-freak]

Fr

[@lxmesoda]

W

[@doctorboi4314]

already is, you need 50 cc of copium stat

[@lookitsdapotato5445]

​@Doctor Boi what are u on💀

[@than7831]

​@@doctorboi4314I dunno. AI still feel soulless no matter how good they look

[@myrikalthompson4313]

TBH I'm very inspired by your artstyle, I like the chibi aesthetic of it, and it looks so easy! Since I'm not that good at art, and I like to take chibi art in and try it, but AI art is not good when they do it and claimed they did it, especially when they copy someone's artstyle without someone's permission!

[@tamaralewis9258]

I'm inspired too and yea without permission can lead to issues

[@bimates2690]

You can’t steal an art-style. Unless you’re the very person to create it.

[@paris.998]

Entendo completamente o que queres dizer Mari, e que coisa horrível é ver algo a que dedicamos tanto tempo e carinho ser usado de forma tão bizarra e fria por inteligências artificiais... Adoro os teus vídeos e o teu estilo é simplesmente perfeito. Por favor lembra-te que a tua arte é fonte de motivação e inspiração para muitas pessoas e que nada poderá afetar o seu valor. Continua assim incrível 💗

[@LuciiiiD-k5t]

Litterally the definition of art is : The expression or application of 𝗵𝘂𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗰𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝘀𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗮𝗺𝗱 𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

[@iamreal--]

Im sorry it happend! It's horrible how they stole your art without permission.

[@lia_k_0]

The moment I saw Sig from PuyoPuyo as the inspo I screamed. But I'm so glad we can rely on talented people for drawings instead of AI !!

[@drug1296]

it can work depending on the coder of the website, some will be lazy and use others art, but others (rarely) actually put thought into it or use their own art.

[@kamazinghehe4670]

I use ai art to appreciate how good it is when a human spends hours and sometimes days on a piece of work. As an artist, we literally put our souls into our artwork and ai just doesn’t compare to when you touch a painting or drawing and feel the emotions and time that went into it

[@thegreataxolotl1537]

AI is jusy pattern recognition. What makes true, good art is the opposite, irregularities and imperfections that convey the feelings and meaning of a peice.

[@hocuspocus9713]

There's some pieces by human artists I have seen that created a feeling that tugged at something inside of me, some sort of longing or nostalgic feeling no matter how skilled they actually were. To date I have not seen any piece of artwork done by AI that created that feeling inside me despite how technically superior it appears.

[@katkit6817]

I think AI is more useful as a tool rather than a stand alone artwork generator. Through creativity and proper usage, I feel that it can help broaden the scopes of projects or be used with creative twists. It’s Definitely being bogged down by all the people just stealing from other works and claiming them as their own

[@thegreataxolotl1537]

Yeah I myself, and others have used it as a good reference, because it was designed to pull from any image that could be useful to what you want. The generation is nowhere close to what I want, but it is a vital tool in getting abstract or strange peices going.

[@OmGoshStudios]

Art style is basically your handwriting. Everybody has their own handwriting

[@EvangelineBelle]

And an Ai taking your handwriting or signature is fraud :D

[@staeriix]

yes !

[@bimates2690]

Art-styles were never a original thing. You took it from someone else, and they took it from another. Handwriting, you created that yourself when you learned to write.

[@nnoav]

@@bimates2690 You learn to write by copying another person's handwriting. It deforms into a handwriting that's uniquely yours.

[@turkishundelightful5382]

Microsoft Word fonts

[@danino.the.filipino]

My dad says that AI shouldn't be called Intelligence.. It should be 'Artificial Idiots'. My dad's humour is just... 😂😂

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

it's improving ok stop bullying him😢

[@mahouu.]

I shall declare this as the official name of AI

[@danino.the.filipino]

@@mahouu. yes

[@danino.the.filipino]

@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT NO BUT ITS.. ahh nevermind.

[@pstoxic5708]

I think that art has way more processes that go into it from ourselves. We are creating an image, something that cannot be perfectly described with thousands of words let alone a simple prompt. I also like to think of the symbolisms or ideas we attribute to a character. We understand culture and common perseptions and can create new things. Ai can only remix old ideas. It can be a useful tool but it fundamentally at this point isn't going to beat humans unless it was one.

[@noubu2794]

Something I also don’t understand is the people saying it is a tool like control z and warp tool, ai isn’t something that can help you create art, it makes it for you. It’s not something of your own with the help of a machine, it’s the machines that you call your own.

[@penntopaper9305]

well, actually, saying this as an artist here, ai "art" has genuinely given me inspiration for my own art at times.

[@undefinederror40404]

It can be a tool for inspiration, or to create backgrounds or parts of structures etc. I've never used it so I don't know all its uses, but I can understand that argument in a way: AI art has got to be rid of its stealing practises, and once it becomes a fair system it can be used as a tool or a part of the art making process. But um, yeah, they gotta stop stealing first.

[@bimates2690]

Sure, but artists can use it for concepts (or others for fun). Yeah, the AI made it, but the way it makes it can inspire you.

[@bimates2690]

@@penntopaper9305 Apparently, according to someone I was talking to, if you use AI for inspiration or ideas, your ideas were probably “not good” to begin with. It’s weird. The AI can be helpful for artists, it just needs a little fixing up when it comes to copyright and the likes.

[@elijaheumags5060]

With sufficient human work put into it, it can be one. AI art generators cannot make things on its own, as it is not sentient nor creative. It still needs someone who actually knows what they're doing to actually fully utilize it, and only an artist with the skill and eye in art can do so with the skill and care that art actually deserves. Don't let AI art generators control your art, you control the AI for the desired output that you want.

[@CBman11037]

Art is an expression of the human soul. It contains the essence of man As a programmer I can say with experience that until Aigis persona 3 is literally real the MACHINES ARE DUMB AND INCAPABLE OF DRAWING ANY EMOTION FROM ME!

[@xiaozhouyaoyao]

this video was featured in the latest episode of BTN ‘Creative AI’

[@BurasagariP]

Yea

[@everfluctuating]

i think ai as it exists now is purely about noticing trends in a database and giving you approximations of what those trends look like without consideration for context like anatomy, linework, color pallete, simplification, etc. a machine algorithm cannot discern how to draw something new; it simply regurgitates without thinking.

[@WilczycaCzarownica]

I thinked the same. From art I can express myself, what I thinking, feeling. In every art I put my hearth and work and when it's ready I pround of myself. AI will never do that. They only mixed stoled arts and create own without any emiotion or thoughts.

[@SimBits]

I knew an artist that was first a complete hyanna-natsu copycat but is now an amazing amd active member of the anime style art community with her own unique style! It's amazing how much you can grow by studying someone else's process

[@sheerheadache]

im gonna be dead honest, sure ai is cool but god i hate ai art, it feels so sad to look at and has no real feelings

[@elijaheumags5060]

Not every piece made by AI has to be soulless, for there are people who actually use AI art generators to either ease their workflow, help them generate new ideas, or to actually make new pieces that were never before conceived. AI is not sentient nor creative by itself. It still needs a human, and more specifically an artist, to actually guide the output to the desired piece that they want. It is merely a toll, and only the user can define it, whether it may be for good or evil.

[@echtewitje5365]

My option is the ai art should be what is was created for and nothing more (it was originally made of inspiration and making refrences)

[@safadefivefortyone]

I agree with you completely. There is much more heart and work put into art made by any *person*, but that effort can never be reflected in AI. It's like a soulless copy of something, somewhere, on the internet.

[@ChocoInTheToaster]

I like getting inspired by chibi/anime art styles when drawing humans, I never trace/steal art unless given permission my the creator (trace) or it's an asset (steal)

[@Cocobean01]

Plus it’s more rewarding and exciting when an artist is done with a piece that they are proud of. Using A.I is like a cheap way, even if it’s faster, it isn’t done by themselves but by another artists art style. And they won’t learn to do their own art by relying on A.I. Also A.I isn’t always giving the best results, I only use A.I for fun but not to cheat.

[@sukapap]

I think the worst issue about art AI is the fact that it steals artwork to train itself. If the AIs were built on just images they had permission to use, I would have no problem with it. But currently, art AI is profiting off the exploitation of human artists, and not even paying them any compensation for it, not to talk about the violation of rights and consent. It's disgusting to me how the moment an artist dies, tech bros rush to use their art, regardless of whether or not consent is being violated. They are like vultures waiting for human artists to keel over and pass. Are we not humans with a soul? Is money and pride the only thing that matters? Kim Jung Gi's work was swooped upon within 3 days of his passing, against his family's wishes. Just one of the many cases I can recall. Edit: replies will be responded to, so feel free. I want to share my view on this. Artists should be protected. Edit again: I just re-checked and AI trainers didn't even wait 3 days to use Kim Jung Gi's art without his family's consent. They did it the immediate day after he passed. What level of cruelty does it take for somebody to do that?

[@Mothy_md]

This is why I think AI is scary in about a decade AI will probably take over the world

[@Stars_are_yummi]

I once saw a video that also talked about ai art and i saw a comment, quote:" By ordering food, you are not a chef" Or smth like that

[@g0thicaa]

"computers are high-speed idiots" - my dead grandma (rest in peace

[@kitsunesden8085]

Sentience and feelings? Maybe in a hundred years. Right now I'd worry about humans using it for fame and profit

[@ClarityBear]

even though ai makes beautiful art, I really, really dislike it. If an ai ever stole my art, i would be DEVASTATED

[@emanstar]

one thing im humbly happy about myself is my ability to immediately detect/suspect whether an art i am viewing is an ai image or not,, and most of the time im correct :D that image is made by an ai and i can go about my day knowing that if i can detect that soulless image, million more can do aswell!! hehehehehe what a wonderful day to be an artist woop woop!!

[@shlokwaghela9560]

Bro almost everything to do with ai art, actually most everything ai is actually becoming sad, if you want, enforce your right to not have your work used without consent, which I understand is a battle which will get no one nowhere. Man I apologise for how I speak but smaller artists are suffering too much because of this because of this, they just don't seem to have an outlet for justice and it's pissing me off more than it should as someone who's not even into art.

[@Mente_Fugaz]

"Do you think AI can evolve to become sensible to art?" the actual ejecution of AI makes that imposible, Because (and it's time for all of us to know exactly how AI works): AI consist of two neural networks: the "GENERATOR" and the "DISCRIMINATOR". The generator takes random input and tries to generate an image that resembles the images in the data set that it learned about during its training. The discriminator, on the other hand, attempts to distinguish the images generated by the generator from the actual images. During training, the generator tries to generate more and more similar images to fool the discriminator, while the discriminator tries to learn to distinguish the images generated by the generator from the real images. As training continues, the generator becomes more effective at generating similar images, and the discriminator becomes more effective at distinguishing between generated and real images. In short, image generation AIs use adversarial generative networks to "learn" how to generate images that resemble the images in the training data set and then generate new images from random inputs. in other words, is just trying to make identical pictures to the original in the data set, but on it's trying end ups just creating images that the discriminator thinks that are just fine... This is the current ejecution, the only way for AI to be sensible to art, is to change and start form 0 a brand new way to recreate human inteligence. This also prooves that AI art is theft, because to train the models, they need to use literally the composition of your picture to decompose it into data through this adversarial generative networks. Like someone who stole your fruits from your basket to put them into a blender making a smoothie, and then telling you that's not theft, because the smoothie doesn't looks like the fruits of your basket lol

[@painteddemon4881]

maybe but i don't support the fact that it steals art just to make something else. art is made with passion, not copying

[@havocsTeacher]

No I don't think it will to be honest, I know it's probably the optimist in me but I think the fact that the art community as a whole has pushed back so much against this is a good thing. It shows we want to and can try to fight this

[@yellowtintin4778]

AI art will never have that human aspect people talk about. Even if it becomes indistinguishable from another artist, ppl will always prefer the human made version. That being said, ai can be an incredibly powerful tool to spring board work off of, and lighten work loads although in our current system this is mainly used for exploitation.

[@yellowtintin4778]

I think treating ai as it’s own artist is silly, it’s a tool that is used. No one says putting a filter on an image makes the image a new original work crafted by the filter. Ai is the same, although a lot of people will just post the ai raw without any individual input and call it a day, rather than blame the ai we should blame the lazy artist who decided not to utilise the ai in a productive way. This doesn’t take into account the stollen art used as training data and the inherently exploitative manner in which ai is trained but it’s a little too late now to stop it.

[@scrollandsurf]

also is about consent! I consented for my art to be used by other people so they can study and learn from it as well as have fun. What I Did Not consent to was for my art to be fed to an algorithm that's going to replicate it over and over without any substance, and most of the time charge/sell it.

[@BloodMarket]

I believe ai can be used as a medium and tool rather than just to cop out quick pieces. Like tracing and heavy referencing can do when you need to get a quick idea down and then add your own personal touches to make it unique. Its just that its currently in its beginning stages amd can be easily manipulated and abused to make a quick buck. Thats how a lot of things start out, but I can assure you that its just a process that a lot of technical advances go through. Like what the start of digital art had to go through and even the start of photography

[@moonamoonz]

This is the proof that AI will never take a real artist's place, because for the AI to do art, it needs to inspire itself and mix real artists drawings.

[@Klee.the.destroyer]

Ai isn't art. Its a hobby. It doesn't matter how detailed you make the description, no matter what, it will lack originality. I do AI as a hobby. I do art for actual stimulus and enjoyment. There is a huge difference.

[@flybalbu]

It would be cool if the people who make this AI art and CONSENTING artists can collaborate and create an AI art website that gives credit to the artists and helps promote their actual art (Like credit the artists who's art was used to train the AI) And of course some of the website profits can go to the artist to pay them

[@meliponalord8892]

Many pro-AI-art folks make 4 main mistakes in my view in their defense. 1. Claiming that humans and AI create art styles in the same way, 2. Claiming that AI art is for final projects, 3. The main selling points of art are speed and price, and 4. AI art has just as much thought put into it as human art via the prompts. Firstly, #1 ties a lot into this video. They claim that both AI art and humans just take pieces of other people's styles and integrate them into their own. While this is technically true, the way they do this is very different. AI just takes the pieces and puts them together like a collage, applying no critical thinking and very little pattern analysis. Meanwhile, humans take the paper cut outs for a collage and remake them themselves. Sure, they aren't perfect copies, because humans make mistakes and have different ways of doing things, but they learn to work around these mistakes and create something beautiful and their own before putting the pieces together. Each little piece has thought, instead of the whole maybe having thought put into it if the person who created the prompt put thought into it. Even so, the robot can't make every little detail meaningful. The human can. Secondly, AI art is much better suited for concept art than final products. Humans are limited in creativity, but are very good at precision in art. AI can come up with wildly creative concept art due to being inevitably somewhat abstract and psychedelic, even if it's unintentional. As such, AI can give humans ideas that the human likely wouldn't've thought of on their own due to access to every piece of media and being flawed in thinking (Ironically helping it in idea generation, as it frees its "mind"). However, it can't make the art precise or meaningful, nor can it intentionally put these ideas in. As such, it's better for concept art than the precision required for final pieces. Thirdly, this final one will be short and sweet: Some do want their art quickly and cheaply over skillfully, but for the most part people will always prefer the skill over the speed. Finally, AI art cannot have as much thought into it. This has been touched on by 2 of the 3 prior paragraphs. In human art, a thinking, creating being is able to put thought into every stroke of the pencil. They make choices every move they make, every line they jot down, every idea they throw away. They have total control over every aspect. Furthermore, it requires more effort, so generally it will mostly be only those who have something to say will be willing to put in the effort. Through sort of a natural-selection-type deal, only those who put thought in will make it past the learning curve. Meanwhile, AI art is too easy. Anyone can do it, and that means everyone will do it. People will no longer need to have something to say or have to put thought into it, because it's effortless. They just type in some words and boom, there it is. There's no more learning curve to filter out the people who would make art without any thought put into it. Furthermore, a thinking being no longer controls every aspect of the piece. A robot just automatically controls it. As such, overall the piece will be less thoughtful because the parts won't have thought put in, only the final piece if the person who created the prompt put in the little effort required to put thought into the prompt. Overall, I believe that AI art has a use. However, as humans, we are foolish creatures who always use things in the exact wrong ways (Like NFTs, which could have been useful if we didn't use them the way we did, or cryptocurrency, for a similar reason.) AI art could be genuinely useful, but we're not using it in a useful way. As AI art can have limited thought in it, we are putting limited thought into using AI art. We shouldn't be using AI to try and replace one of the few jobs that people actively dream of having. Instead, it should be a tool for those people to help them with this dream.

[@onbekend1631]

the only things i like about ai art are: 1, Gives inspiration/i use it as a tool and 2, the way how funky it can get. when using ai art programs i don't strive to create something perfect with it but rather enjoy the things it messes up, like arms, hands and faces (i often use artbreeder)

[@GalacticAnimationsYT]

The whole point of art is expression and conveying emotion you can't through words at least that's what it is for me but it can also be numerous other things but it's human expression ANYONE can make art nothing is stopping anyone so I don't see why people say this allows them to make art because they always could they just never wanted to put in the effort if your using it as a tool or reference that's great! but typing in brown hair anime girl isn't you making art lol

[@dozicon2667]

I’m a fan of Puyo Puyo Tetris. I did not expect a picture of Sig lmao

[@thelittlestpuyo]

same!

[@fionna_cool_girl]

Honestly this sucks. Digital artists already have a hard time in the world trying to prove that digital art is just as valid as physical/traditional art. Now that AI could potentially take over, it's going to be even harder to show genuine digital art and have it not be compared to AI or be stolen or replicated by AI. It'll probably get so bad that digital art in general will not be seen as genuine anymore but physical and traditional art will be the only art taken seriously. And while I'm happy about the potential of the market growing for physical art such as ceramics, painting, sculpting, etc. It sucks that making digital art that doesn't need physical materials to be made could now be no longer valid art to display in art fairs, galleries or competitions because of the potential of AI art fraud. There have already been articles about AI art winning actual art competitions, taking away opportunities for real artists that put in the time to work on their art style and portfolios. This is a future I'm scared of for many small business digital artists that can't afford constantly buying physical art supplies and their only way to make and learn about art is drawing on a cheap computer and cheap drawing tablet with free programs like medibang, blender, etc.

[@Planet726]

AI art is literally just terrible and very problematic, if people still use it for their art (which I’m assuming they do) is just sad. I’m so sorry they stole your art.

[@quit3118]

And it’s crazy that my mom is into it- 💀 Coming from a artist Basically, my whole family is into it-

[@Planet726]

@@quit3118 THAT’S INSANE….

[@quit3118]

@@Planet726 Sadly yes... Same for my sister but she knows how bad it is and knows that “A.I Art steals” She would use it as a tool but she doesn’t talk about it a lot And my family supports A.I writing Coming from an upcoming writer 💀

[@Planet726]

@@quit3118 That’s really tragic. I always just thought of it as a filter you could use for fun, but then I found out that they steal.

[@bimates2690]

“If people still use it for _their_ art, is just sad” how? Some people just want to see how their concepts would look, or inspiration. Art-styles can’t be stolen.

[@TrashSpace69]

The problem is that non artist won't care. If it looks good, then it's good enough for them. That's my issue with AI

[@agome-chan]

Art is something that defines us as humans, something that machines are not capable of artistically. They copy and paste, they mix it up, art is more than that. Art requires our point of view, experience, what we want to express, it's abstract, machines don't do that.

[@morkomori9617]

Fuck yeah, they’ll never win.

[@wishtopublish]

There's nothing more frustrating than the fact that, instead of creating AI that *specifically* does the work that humans would be better off not doing (dangerous or emotionally draining jobs), developers are creating these monstrosities that take away one of the most emotionally fulfilling types of work humans do (art).

[@bright_chan8367]

No two artist can draw the same really, no matter what we take inspiration from everything around us and create our own . ai makes a bad collage of your art and calls it a drawing

[@aishiixo]

Through looking at art done by a human, it makes you wonder about the artist themselves. What were their intentions? How long have they taken to do it? What sparked them to make this for said amount of time? If the AI image has no human who actually drew it by hand, you don't have these questions for someone who doesn't even exist, and it therefore will not engage you as much. There's a limited space to wonder on the contrary.

[@flayawag4334]

You can always tell it's ai art by how chalky the image looks, usually if it's an anime style type I always look at the eyelashes cause they never line up properly

[@jessicadriver1636]

I never really understood the whole concept of AI art, I was told many times before by my art teachers over the years that art stems from human emotions and creative thinking, AI's are none of those of those things, they don't have hearts for emotions or even a thought process of anything creative their just empty machines.

[@PyroGothNerd]

The only justified use of AI art I've seen was an artist who had been in an accident and wasn't able to draw on her own was feeding her own stuff into it so she could continue creating, even if it wasn't the same.

[@AmyStrikesBack]

I don't think AI "art" Will ever evolve as human art and artstyles evolves, mainly cause It doesn't think and Will never think. Its not inspiring, its filling gaps with noise, its mecanical, mindless, its trying to copy with out understanding. Its distopian.

[@partygamingz3332]

FINALLY SOMEONE THAT GOT A BRAINCELL Legit I'm so amazed how many people try to say AI art just references images just like real artist and they learn the same way. If you ever try to do what AI does in art school, high chance ur gonna get a big penalty, fail, or most likely get expelled Creating a unique artstyle takes time, the artist taste, personality and even passion often shines through into their art one way or another, smt ai can't replicate which I'd often why ai feels soulless even in its good looking art peices (from what iv observed)

[@MikoHatesGrass]

Theodore, Alvin, and Stuart. Ah, we used to go to each of those countries during summer break. Really takes me back…

[@milo6207]

With my art style it’s inspired by you, lavendertowne and anime/cartoons. And it took me 5 years to find it.

[@moonethealien]

At first ai was like “haha cool look at this ugly meme of shrek” now it’s “hold up that looks exactly like my stuff…”

[@_alternianIdiot]

other than the robbery, i think it could. a creative prompt does take thought. what’s senseless is the way it’s produced. we just haven’t found a way to make things real without stealing, i suppose.

[@galaxy.moonzz]

First edits and now drawings 😤

[@dankun3122]

Even if Ai can do such a thing the credit goes to the ai for making that piece of art and not the one putting prompts that person is not an artist but an operator or director

[@TammyJerkChicken]

I don’t think the people who choose to steal don’t have any love for the craft. The machine only does what it’s told, and their are way new tech can be made to help artist ( like that hand webcam reference feature in CSP2) but this ain’t it😒

[@axolotlsleepy1636]

I LOVE your drawing of Testament

[@BebeOnTheBell]

AI will never be able to create art that has meaning. They can’t recreate the passion and hard-work that humans have

[@yeet8627]

No matter how good AI gets, it can never create ART. It will always be soulless. Even if AI can generate a painting as good as Da Vinci’s in seconds, a two year old’s crayon sketch will still be better because thought and feeling has been put into it

[@musyakottik]

Agreed with u! I wish real artists the best!

[@kalcheese]

Is it okay if people have the same art style like you? I really like your art, and I’m learning it!

[@aguenya]

Yes!

[@PepperVeryUncool]

My least favorite part about art is my art style. I hate it. I like the actually drawing part of drawing, not really how it looks :(

[@tasnuk]

if ai can form sentience, that's when this ai art thing will get complicated. fortunately, we can think about that later.

[@reikahime]

AI discussion aside, I was wondering if your artstyle was inspired by Puyo Puyo and guess I'm right 😊 You should check out Pop'n Music as well!

[@chocilota]

1:11 I SWEAR EVERY DAMN ART VIDEO I WATCH HAS XIAO IN IT THERE IS NO ESCAPING THE GENSHIN IMPACT

[@zephyrias]

Xiao best boy of 4nemo

[@NoSoyDib]

There's a way to escape from genshin impact Touching grass.

[@mrosskne]

Humans are divine beings and creativity is the light of God. Machines know nothing of such things and they never shall.

[@Anonymouthful]

The moment a computer grows arms and legs, walks around looking at things around them and creating their own style while telling the person who tries claiming its creatios as theirs to fuck off I feel like we could start talking about real AI art.

[@Kirby7601]

listen... i will like anything that has sig from puyo puyo in it. with a few exceptions.

[@avvipavvi]

About the style, personally i dont think you "need" a personal artstyle, but most people like to have 1 singular style, theres absolutely nothing wrong with that, personally i have 2 styles, one thats a bit more realistic, and one thats a bit more chibi, just my 2 cents.

[@newandroid2673]

Personally, my issue with it is that the AI isn't drawing, it's replicating. The way an AI 'draws' is essentially a glorified stamp, taking bits from other artwork and placing them on a page. It doesn't know what it means, it's just copy and pasting, which is why you frequently see where the original logo or watermark is, albeit blurred or obscured by another part of a stolen drawing. If a human were to take a bunch of pictures and copy paste pieces of them together into a Frankenstein's monster of other people's hard work and effort, they would be rediculed and labelled an art thief. I see no reason why AI should be treated any differently. When a human 'copies' an art style, they are copying the art style, not the drawing. They look at the finished product and try to figure out the technique behind it so they can use the *technique*, not the drawing itself. If they do redraw the drawing it's only practice to find out those techniques and it's never claimed to be an original work because it's not. Even when taking reference, you never copy poses, or compositions, or items of clothing, or etc exactly and turn it all into an original piece.

[@d34dsatan]

another thing abt being an artist and having an art style is like,,, thats your identity yk? ppl see it and theyre like "oh hey! thats x's art!!"

[@sooji_gooji]

drawing it yourself rather than generating it by a machine is a much more consistent and fun process. i don't think ai would be helpful to create full pieces of artwork because it could never replicate your exact thoughts and creativity in your mind. also, writing a wikipedia page worth of prompts to generate a specific kind of art sounds really dumb, it feels more harder than drawing by yourself

[@blenderpain8249]

This kind of reminds me of the invention of the camera and the capability of taking an exact image replica. Before cameras, if people wanted image replicas, they would probably need to sit down and be painted for their portraits or sit down and paint a scenery for hours/days/weeks/months/years. When the camera was invented, people found a more efficient and more accurate way to make images of real life. There was no need to paint anymore. But that didn't stop people from making more paintings. There was just a shift in expression. Art was no longer about replicating real life, it is more focused on expression rather than form. And thus many types of "modern" art emerged. Abstract art, cubism, fauvism, surrealism, pop art etc. Maybe something similar will happen. Since AI is like a camera that can replicate art styles. Maybe our art will be more based on something else.

[@blenderpain8249]

Remember, these types of images are just compiled data. We've invented a really good algorithm that can compile images better than google ever can. As of now, AI is not that sentient so it is quite impossible for it to create anything new. It needs new data (in this case, artworks, images) from humans. But one day, when it becomes sentient, and can make things according to its own experiences, I can accept what it has created as art.

[@sunnydayzz0]

As a more musically inclined person than an art inclined person, I like the think of it as if AI started creating music. Would there be any real meaning behind it? No. It would have no feeling. There would be no way a person could relate to an AI created song because it’s made by a robot and not a real person. They could steal other peoples music but it would still never be theirs.

[@2000TheKrewExtras]

I feel like every person who has commissions should have an ai segment where when they get asked to make the art for free they do.. but then they paste it through 500 ai programs to make it so vastly different that it bairly resembles the og artstyle anymoe

[@charliehershberger8803]

AI does have an art style. It is called photo realistic. Since the most consistent style and training data are all photos the AIs are mostly trying to draw things realistically. So when you ask it draw a heavily stylized image it struggles more than if you ask for photo realism.

[@MaxKarmaCat]

I sure as hell hope the art community is safe! qmq