AI Tech in a Mini Pedal? - New TONEX One Modeller!

[@galtonestudio]

Oh wow, Pete played the intro on a tone model that I made. I can die happily haha :D

[@jaskiewicz_music]

Yes, your captures sound really good, just tried some of it.. All the best!

[@Idontlikethisever]

Hahah nice

[@ShomyKajge]

I need to remember that before I take the Tonex ONE! :D

[@wabbadu1]

Option paralysis in a smaller package! I love it and hate it at the same time!

[@padawan9127]

Great description

[@EdBender]

😂 I usually settle for the first good tone i reach, otherwise I'd never be finished and would never play the guitar again. 😂 Honestly, I'm not buying anything else until they offer replacement jacks with this embedded.

[@nedim_guitar]

Hahaha, yeah! I have a Boss IR-200. I like it, but I only find some amp models usable: Normal, Twin and Tweed. The Brit, which should be a Marshall type of amp, has a weird honking mid frequency which I have not been able to cut out with the onboard EQ. To me, it just sounds awful with that frequency, regardless of what IR I'm using, onboard IR's or good third party ones. The three usable amp models are okay, and I can get quite a different character with the same amp model just by using different IR's or different combinations of IR's. But that takes a lot of tweaking. I'm not tweaking a lot, I have set three patches that I've been using, but my ear developed, and I changed them a bit, and then I created a few more, so now I have perhaps seven patches that I can use. ANYWAY... The Tonex One COULD make it easier for me. I could use some great captures that other people made (such as The Studio Rats och HP42). And out of those, I could use a couple of each: clean, edge of breakup, crunch and overdriven, and all captures that take my pedals well. And then I'm set. It sounds like a plan, which hopefully won't mean a lot of option paralysis.

[@bldallas]

Funny, but true. Just yesterday I spent (wasted?), over two hours noodling with my Spark Mini, in an attempt to create 4 new presets to replace the 4 I’ve been primarily using for the last few weeks. I say primarily, because I still end up tweaking things, when I go from guitar to guitar and even song to song. Yes, it’s entertaining, but it’s also a bit mind numbing….

[@JosePineda-jn8jk]

Serious question, don’t you already have an idea of the sounds you want to use?

[@guitareveryone]

When pushing that Gritador pedal into the Tonex One you remark that you’re not getting the amount of boost that you expected but your forgot to consider that you had the compression set on the Tonex One so that is going to squish any boost that you are driving into the Tonex One.

[@EddieVanAidan]

Bought a ToneX as a backup for my Kemper. Like with any modellers you get out what you put in, it can sound mega. The software however is not intuitive or simple. I gave up after making 10ish presets, stuck it on my board and just made do with what I'd set up

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Most people find the tonex easier to use then the Kemper.

[@DavidJosephBoth]

tonex sounds better imho. I've owned mulitple versions of kemper (kemper sounds great, tonex is just better at cloning an amps tone). The only downside of the Tonex is the lack of fx loop to monitor fx out without another multi-fx pedal. Btw might be worth you updating it. It has a tuner etc. you don't need it hooked up to browse profiles you want. find them, then save them then hook the pedal up and transfer a new list of amps etc you want. I understand it's a hassle. (so many profiles and some are trash that people upload).

[@HighLifeWorkout]

This is brilliant! It’s an amazing time to be a guitar player.

[@Pt.karolis]

Nice to see Big Brandon interested in guitar gear 💪

[@johnnyway8667]

Didn't expect Brandon on Anderton's videos lol. When are you going to post some guitar videos?

[@HighLifeWorkout]

@@johnnyway8667 I have some acoustic guitar videos that are 11 years old on another channel 😂

[@davidthomas9960]

God damn what a crossover

[@steviegee8747]

It is if you want to widdle about in your bedroom with digital toys that hold your hands in choosing between a myriad of similar sounding presets -The best time to be a guitarist, however, was several decades ago - the equipment was more basic (but still amazing - see the million and one JCM800 patches!) but you got to put your own personality into it and you got to play live, loud and in venues where the feedback was from the crowd and not just the backline. My favourite Jeff Beck quote from an interview in a music mag in about 1982 was "I didn't really cared what I plugged into as long as I could be heard"

[@andriivoitovych7683]

we'll have something like this in guitar cable soon

[@digitalchris6681]

Guitar cable? Next year IK Multimedia will announce a product that connects to your guitar by telepathy.

[@niclastname]

We already have things like the Katana GO where you don't even need a cable! There's also one of those small companies that makes a guitar with it already built right into the guitar so you just plug headphones straight into the guitar and control it with the app or knobs. Then you're stuck with their guitar though.

[@dcrelley]

Will be in the guitar itself going forward

[@EdBender]

Yep. Pretty soon you'll just replace your jack and have this.

[@digitalchris6681]

@@dcrelley in the guitar? No need for one. Brain implants will allow us to simply imagine what we want to play and it'd be sent wirelessly to loudspeakers.

[@MrJingles021]

Thank you for showing the pedal with an overdrive in front of it. Nobody did that with the first Tonex.

[@TheBassMountain]

Regarding the Gritador not adding as much of a volume boost as expected - The original 2 stomp version of the ToneX ships stock with a +8db trim boost on the input. This causes an internal "ceiling" to be hit when using active preamps, drives, boosts, etc. It doesn't respond exactly as a real valve amp does, but this can be changed to a 0db trim to get a MUCH more realistic representation of the way an amp would actually react to dynamic playing, rolling off volume knobs, and pedals. I say all this because I wonder if the ToneX One also ships with the same input trim setting, thus causing drives and higher output pickups to hit that internal ceiling. Regardless, the ToneX / Amplitube ecosystem as blown me away - especially in regards to the price!

[@jamesbennettmusic2154]

They also added a compressor to the preset before testing the drive lol

[@TomWhite-nu2rp]

And they set the amp with a tad bit of crunch as well.

[@radiocontrole]

Yes, it has a trim input and it reacts different to my humbucker/single coils guitars

[@TjMoon91]

The 20 onboard presets are almost impossible to navigate with this interface. The UAD amp pedals use an app on your phone that doesn’t even connect half the time, and I’d still choose that over the method in the ToneX One. I still think it’s great value, but if you’re considering buying it, I’d think of it as only have 2 preset slots, and see if that affects your decision.

[@EduardoBerth]

Sure I'd buy it for just 2 presets that sound REALLY excellent! It just works!

[@jeffnobles214]

That PRS is lovely.

[@dougfishback3116]

The ability to load from a large back-end library, baked-in compression and verb, and drive pedal emulation are essential. With the Boss IR-2, I like only one or two of the amp models, and I don't love how it takes drive pedals. The Tonex lets you sort that stuff on the back end and then load what works for you. It's a smarter approach.

[@LordBransty]

How heavy is it? Can you lift it out of the back of a van OK?

[@digitalchris6681]

Well I'd certainly want a couple of real hunky guys with me at all times just in case......

[@nedim_guitar]

9:35 I find stomp mode absolutely usable! I have the pedal on my board all the time. At home, I do some practice with headphones, or do some recording in my DAW. When I want to play through my amp, or when I'm at the rehearsal room with the band, I can simply turn off the pedal and play through the amp. So, to me, it's usable not only for the pedal mode, but for the amp mode as well!

[@JamieSlays]

Sounds great lads! 🎉🎉

[@misstress1928]

I love Pete's playing. For a while I had an impression that he was more of a tele player, but he is actually a very accomplished musician who can coax great tones out of any piece of gear used in demos. 🤩

[@pliskin124]

+1 Sometimes I tune in just to hear Pete play

[@johnb4024]

He's a guitar player. He can play all of them

[@JimmyD718]

Great video as usual 😀 Pete's playing is just killer!

[@Paul-D]

A super mini version isnt what i expected 😂

[@sons7429]

Can I make captures of my amp and then add that into the pedal with the software?

[@MickeJohansson-gs8wy]

With the proper peripheral equipment: yes. With this ToneX One pedal alone: no.

[@joellebrodeur1015]

I have the Boss IR-2. Which is better? That pedal with an effects loop, headphones out, stereo out. What makes the ToneX One something to consider over the IR-2?

[@gdawgs101]

The Boss is way more straightforward to use, but the Tonex has better tones IMO once you figure out how to use the convoluted ass software

[@zap7759]

BOSS is fully standalone and is a BOSS, this has light-up plastic mini pots and basically needs a computer.

[@trevorD1156]

The tonex can use the amp models I modeled of the amps(or amp/pedal combo) I have owned.... Or that anyone else has uploaded. I can also add reverb, compression, gate, and change the cab and mics. The balanced out is stereo on this, which can be used with headphones. Also anything you'd put in the loop can be run after it. Ime tonex is the most accurate sounding modeler and when run through a cab indistinguishable from my real amps. Really my only problem with it is having to have my iPad or PC connected to get those tones. This pedal pedal solves that.

[@Stefan-]

@@trevorD1156 A stereo TRS isnt balanced you can only achieve that with a mono TRS.

[@Bass_Baer_Extraordinaire]

What none of these reviews are mentioning is the fact that the software for it is the same price as the pedal, $150 on sale with Sweetwater

[@hhaaddii2137]

Where is the sound coming out from in this video? I have a stupid question: if you’re connected to an actual amp at your place, will it not change the sound of the presets you select on the app?

[@DaveyMulholland]

Presumably you can turn off the cab ir and plug the pedal into the FX return of the amp to bypass the amp's preamp.

[@LilSirAxolotl]

I just want an Orange Mini Pedal Baby with every output imaginable

[@curtismarshall26]

Can someone explain the initial set up please? I’m new to this and would like to know how the guitar is connected to the laptop? And where does the sound then come from?

[@religionoffreedom]

Type C plug goes straight into your computer or use a cable into your interface.

[@ButWhatDoIKnow]

Is every patch Tonex does a distorted amp? Any Fender clean IRs that take pedals well? I want a Deluxe reverb on the verge of breakup, please.

[@religionoffreedom]

They have a lot of nice clean Fender chains. Users have made tons of various clean chains.

[@ButWhatDoIKnow]

@@religionoffreedom do I gave to buy them?

[@religionoffreedom]

@@ButWhatDoIKnow it comes with like 200 patches at your disposal and you can tweak any of them on the fly.

[@nightwishlover8913]

Henning Pauly (EytschPi42)'s Video made more sense to me...worth a look.

[@psofoss]

but he cant play

[@Tmidiman]

Thanks. This seems a bit scattered.

[@digitalchris6681]

Yes, AND he has cuddly animals at the end......

[@Aletheia_Z]

I hope they release soon the "ToneX GO", the portable headphone amp that'll compete with Katana Go, Fender Mustang Micro and NUX MP3 😃

[@leifpearson5205]

this has trs stereo out and usb bus power so you could use it in that capacity portably...and run your tracks using it as a interface..

[@Aletheia_Z]

@@leifpearson5205 Yes, I know and it's great, but what I mean by doing a portable headphone amp in the same form factor as the Katana GO or NUX is that it could be a self contained portable unit like those but with better amp modeling and they could even combine it with some FX algorithms from their Amplitube line to make it a complete self contained portable battery powered unit that plugs directly to the guitar, I have to travel a lot because of my work (and many people too) and I carry a Traveler guitar and the NUX MP3, that's all I need for a portable solution

[@leifpearson5205]

A bit bigger but have you thought of the mooer p2? It plays a limited amount of mrns profiles. It's stereo with effects and has a wireless pedal option to control it within limits. Looper. Trrs for vocal podcast mic in.

[@Aletheia_Z]

@@leifpearson5205 Yes, I tried it but didn't liked the amp models, so far the NUX is pretty good as I can load IRs, something that the Katana GO lacks and like the ToneX captures a lot so a similar device from IK multimedia that combines ToneX captures and Amplitube FXs would be great

[@grimora-dg3vq]

How much longer before we'll be needing just a laptop to play through?

[@tarkenton3895]

That's already existed for quite a few years bud. Bands have been using amp plugins to play live for ages now

[@dwftube]

@@tarkenton3895 That always seemed like a logical endpoint to me - since they'll likely be using one for backing tracks/click etc.

[@tarkenton3895]

@dwftube idk man, it always seems sick to me in terms of big silent stages with in-ear monitors, a great FOH blasting and everything automated, but I've also seen what happens when small bands try to do it too early, when small to mid venues make it sound crap, and when it fails even for a big band playing a big venue. There's no emulating an amp just absolutely roaring behind you, but also there's no simulating the benefits of laptop rigs on an amp rig without some drawbacks and extra cost

[@dwftube]

@@tarkenton3895 Yeah, be great if every band could do what Joe Bonamassa does, but most places won't allow it and, as you say, there are extra costs involved.

[@tarkenton3895]

@dwftube oh I just meant in terms of having racks with amps and pedals that are all midi switched like the equivalent of an AxeFx or laptop rig really, moreso in how much extra room for failure of any given component there is in a system like that. Not quite bonamassa/mayer/phish levels where they trawl out loads of crazy gear because they can

[@D34DPOND]

It would be kinda cool if you could highlight the guitars that are played in the video like how you do it when doing the different pickup videos :)

[@faben70]

A dedicated live editor available for both desktop and mobile platform might not be necessary for the bigger Tonex pedal but for the Tonex One it definately is. Also... dark gray text on black background is not exactly what you need when you are on a dark stage and don't remember which knob is which.

[@nieko3038]

How does this work? Do those brands give you a certain day when you are allowed to upload videos? Thomann put out a video of the same pedal an hour ago.

[@colinrobinson9674]

it’s called embargo

[@Sylvain44]

Yes that's how it works, they recieve the device a few days/weeks earlier, do the video but they can't release it until a specific date & time. It's the same for new cars reviews and plenty of other stuff.

[@nieko3038]

@@Sylvain44 I see it with videos of cars too indeed. Sometimes 3 videos in a row when scrolling.

[@hughJ]

@@Sylvain44 Yeah, it ensures that all the press outlets get sufficient time to review the product and removes the incentive to rush through a review just in order to be first to publish something. Without the embargo it'd kind of be a race to the bottom for everyone involved.

[@dwftube]

Yep. It's the same for car channels. That's worse in some ways as the reviewers are usually driving the same roads in the same cars. I've watched more than one where the reviewer admits to having another reviewer in the car with them.

[@MatthewDuminy]

I’m guessing there was less of a level jump than they expected (15:45) because they put the compressor on in the Tonex. The default comp is post, so it’ll prevent the overall level from jumping up.

[@1970sman]

Well spotted. Pete said (jokingly) it was because it was just a little box. Anyway, still absolutely no reason to get rid of the Iridium....a trusty professional live tool, even with stock IR's.

[@deckert618]

I guess I'm getting old. This is all just too much for me. Hell, I've had a Boss Katana for almost 6 years now and it still gives me brain damage and option paralysis

[@Paul-D]

Im 33 and i agree if that makes you feel better 😂

[@martinlewies3193]

I have 2x little valve amps, a positive grid amp, a NUX headphone amp, a multi fx pedal etc etc! Option paralysis is making me plug into a simple pedal board with 5 pedals & straight into my clean valve amp. Happy days.

[@simonsmith2642]

Nothing can replace just plugging into a good amp with a good guitar or bass and letting it rip raw. But, Ive used Amplitube since it came out, so the whole Tonex, not without its bugs and issues, isnt hard to pick one that sounds good tweak it, use it.. So easy. I have a Boss Core that sucks to set up, I find this much more “analog” to get my old xgen brain around. Those of us who started late 90’s early 00’s with working in a DAW, wont have any issue. That said. Unless Im playing duo with my DJ wifey, (she uses Maschine) unless Im with her, I just use an amp, and the Core for minimal FX. It has saved me a tone in pedals and tap dancing. If Im tracking in the DAW I use Amplitube or Tonex. Easier to just grab a good one tweak and go.

[@trevorD1156]

Seems simple to me. Take the clean channel from my mk2b and modern gain channel from the rectoverb50 I uploaded to tonex and put them in this pedal. Then with a 9v and an aux cable I can plug my guitar into anything with aux input and get my amp sounds.

[@jayseb]

It's not about age - don't worry - just pickup the guitar plugin and play - these are all options nothing more...

[@deadboz6007]

Nice review!!! Thats what i needed after i ordered one ... seems like a great choice.

[@FollowMeNot]

I love my Tonex One. My first profile/capture player pedal. Lots of crazy options and stuff to learn, but if you stick with 2 profiles you’re happy with, you’re gonna be ok. It has a lock function to lock in settings if you move knobs by accident. It’s a great starter amp profile pedal. Coming from HX stomp user.

[@paulwatson9217]

Dose anyone know, can the changes be done through iPad instead of laptop or computer?

[@alanrobins3226]

I’m kinda new to this modeler concept. One question that keeps coming up in my mind is can you use this type of equipment via an amp? I have a Fender deluxe and my pedal board? But can this still be used. I don’t have a fitted out studio with studio speakers? Sorry if this is a daft question?

[@leifrehnstrom]

If your amp has an FX-loop you can plug it into the return and use Tonex as preamp. Just remember to load presets without cabinets.

[@alanrobins3226]

Thanks for the reply

[@alanrobins3226]

Alas a Fender Deluxe doesn’t have an FX loop😟

[@leifrehnstrom]

You could also use it as a multiple overdrive/fuzz pedal and load it full of profiled pedals. Then place it on your pedalboard.

[@alanrobins3226]

That’s a very interesting concept. Didn’t think of it that way. I guess a trip to Andertons is coming 😀

[@DreidMusicalX]

And what is the cost of the pedal and the full version software?

[@crazkurtz]

How soon will monthly licensing and amp be a thing.

[@sootyfoot]

Where do I find the tonex librarian then, is it an app

[@MrMllx]

What knd of cable are they going out of the pedal with it. is that stereo?

[@andres.igmendez]

Im lost, so this basically replaces the need for an amp head + cab? Can go pedalboard -> tonex -> ?

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Yup it can also clone some pedals and be used that way.

[@davidcjupp]

If you are going straight to front of house then yes this replaces everything. If you want stage volume with a cab you need a poweramp like the Orange Pedalbaby or Seymour Duncan Powerstage 170. The point being that you can 'capture' the EXACT sound of your miced heads at home and deliver that live. It's an amazing piece of technology that Kemper deserve so much credit for.

[@matzer8846]

Soooo ... you just buy 3 - 5 of these and put in whatever you want ... done Super small gig rigs possible now ... love it Thanks a lot for demoing

[@HectorArcadius]

Underrated comment. People haven’t yet figured this out.

[@matzer8846]

@@HectorArcadius ... thanks ... but it's so obvious ... maybe add some TC Plethora's ... most versatile small rig ever

[@nedludd3641]

So, the £350 3-pedal version is this device but like three of them all bolted together? Can the pricier version do more things?

[@lunde2000]

The pricier one have more options on hand like presence control etc. But still only one amp at a time.

[@iagobroxado]

The larger one is easier to tweak and use both at home and on a stage.

[@nedludd3641]

@@iagobroxado - Thanks for that :)

[@danielferrera8773]

What I actually want is an Amplitube pedal in something like HX Stomp XL format

[@brettphillips2309]

I’ve learned to always watch andertons reviews on anything modelers because you can tell when they think a product is bad. Pete will straight up say it and you can always tell from captains faces when something is bad. Thanks for keeping it real guys.

[@davidcjupp]

I think the opposite is at play here. I'm an HX Stomp owner, with a coupla fancy pedals in the loop into a Orange Pedalbaby. That is the rig I take to shows because I can't be arsed to lug my Marshall around anymore and I like getting the train and having a beer after. Tonex has been universally shown to have the best captures in comparison tests. So for any gigging guitarist IK have just given the most common use case (one clean amp, one dirty amp) with eq, reverb and compression available on each with the QC/Kemper beating captures for £175. I think Lee is worried that a relatively low margin product is going to cannibalise amp/pedal sales by making what used to be £1k tech available at beginner/kid prices. I think their reaction here is deliberate.

[@brettphillips2309]

@@davidcjupp out of all the KZbin channels to say that on. Many channels just say things to push gear or sway you to a product(tone junkies) because it favors them. I’ve never felt they push anything on to a consumer. They do a pretty good job of being unbiased and just giving it to you like it is. They have definitely saved me a few times from buying bogus gear.

[@brettphillips2309]

And even at the end of the video when they are talking about other comparable products, Pete is even letting you know in his own subtle way that the pod express was no good. They aren’t doing it to sway you to thousand dollar tube amps. It’s just there opinions on certain products

[@davidcjupp]

I am a massive fan of Lee and I trust his reviews. They are however a business and I honestly think that the price point of this product will put a big dent in QC and Kemper sales. I can’t remember which vid it was but I could have sworn Lee said that products above a grand they take 40-50% on and products under £200 it’s peanuts. That was why I was a touch skeptical of the Luke warm reaction here when compared to other trustworthy channels.

[@joelortiz2281]

Rabea and digital John should be the ones reviewing this product. Pete and Lee are super biased in favor of traditional gear. They never even mention the multitude of ways this product can be used to facilitate achieving good tone in numerous applications. This product will not only greatly influence the way we use gear, but will also push other companies to do the same..

[@whompompomp]

Question - are they using the free or paid software?

[@None-lh5mx]

Ironically my favorite Tonex model is the UAFX Dream 65.

[@jeffnobles214]

Fantastic! BTW I heard UA's next pedal is the Hair '87 based on the Peavy Rage.

[@milankotevski1663]

Which makes Tonex a no brainer. Tonex can emulate pretty much anything. UAFX is not even close.

[@mylogify]

Man then you'll love the Galtone Studio tones

[@Javier-qk7ms]

Does it include anything to enhance the sound of an acoustic guitar?

[@religionoffreedom]

I always use an AmpliTube bass head for acoustic, like the big Fender one.

[@minimalistvagabonds1597]

Is that a PRS SC? Which model exactly, if so?

[@mikecashmusic]

This might be a dumb question, but how do you get the program for your computer?

[@redmosq4197]

Does this go right into the front of the amp?

[@posthard-coreshorts]

Into the FX return is probably the best bet, but if you have a clean amp offers no distortion and it has no fx loop, then yes in front of the amp it goes

[@tonedowne]

It replaces your amp for when you want to record or plug direct at a gig and just hear yourself through the monitors

[@ballfire4237]

hi, feels it better than a Kemper Player ?

[@Spokenlanguagewithai]

Is it available in our market ???

[@cbaham3]

Jesus...every guitar KZbinr released a video on this pedal today.

[@mezu-e]

A review embargo probably lifted today.

[@milankotevski1663]

That's the name of the game in this day and age.

[@dwftube]

Tis the way of things now. Anyone who follows any car channels will have experienced the same with the Porsce Macan EV. At least more people can afford this.

[@Moldovich]

imagine what part of marketing is in price !? fuf

[@trevorD1156]

​​@@Moldovichprobably less than you expect. They sent out a dozen to famous people on KZbin to review but anyone who has used tonex or profiled an amp with it is interested in having a way to use tonex without a computer, iPad or the 400$ tonex pedal. The simplifier mk2 is sort of the best analog competition, it costs twice the price cause it has more knobs but it can't accurately copy any amp you own put it in a pedal and add your choice of cab, mics. compression, gate, and reverb.

[@AlisonGirelli]

Is there something like this for effects with the possibility to stack them? Anyway it sounds good. Not a fan of using pc or apps too much but probably once you get the sounds you want you are ok

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

Get one of these and a boss me90. Or another multi effects pedal system. I'm thinking the big tonex a power amp and the valetone gp200 or something else that can run both direct inject and a guitar cab at the same time.

[@petrabornerova]

Do you think its better than Strymon iridium?

[@KPSMUSIK]

What monitors are you using? I heard Genelec but which? I am trying to get a good experience with not using a cabinet but all FRFR solutions I have heard, kind of sound like the sound is in a box and far away, kind of smaller, hard to describe... Even with 10 inch FRFR or 10 inch tops + 12 inch subs DSP managed. I don't understand it, because clearly a PA can playback a recording of a real amp and it does sound like the real amp recorded. But when you play guitar (NOT playback a recorded guitar) through such a PA or FRFR speaker it doesn't feel right when there is now also a real cabinet involved. Somehting is off, but what is it? What I don't understand is, why does a FRFR system or PA speaker with the same physical volume, same speaker size at the same dB level still not feel and sound like a miced cabinet? Am I doing something wrong?

[@DaipayanKarmakar]

Do a blind test

[@Stefan-]

PA and FRFR sounds like a miced cabinet through a PA (like a recorded amp) but doesnt have the "amp in the room" sound, if you want to have that feeling when playing connect it to a real guitar power amp and guitar cab, going through FRFR and PA isnt the same.

[@KPSMUSIK]

@@Stefan- ​ @Stefan- Thank you for your reply. I know that. Maybe I phrased it unclear. I will try again. So my current signal chain is a real amp though a 2x12 miced up cabinet. The miced signal goes through 2x 10 inch tops + 1x 12 inch SUB (PA Speaker) and also my headphones. The volume of the 2x 12 cabinet is so quiet, that I don't hear it with headphones on. I do hear bleed from the PA speakers through my headphones as they are loud and I can also feel them as they move a lot of air. So what I hear is a "recorded amp". That setup sounds immense. Huge, open, Low end is there, high end is there and mids are chunky. It has the sparkle and the foundation. But because this setup has a lot of moving parts, I tried to archive the same by replacing the amp in the signal chain with various modellers... It just doesn't sound as good. It sounds way smaller, boxy and far away. I equed the mids to remove the boxyness (between 1k and 2k) but no matter what modeller or tweaking I tried, it doesn't sound as good. I even used a officially licenced model of a mesa boogie (the exact same real amp I use) and while I can hear that it sounds similar, you can hear what is replicates, it is not even close if you play it. All modelers I tried just have less of everything (High end, low end, sparkle, midrange sounds weaker, less punch, less harmonics or a combination of those...). And that is what I don't understand. Because clearly a digital recording is capable of capturing enough details to playback my analog singal chain and make it sound immense. But why does the modeling sound so off, through the same signal chain that is clearly capable of delivering everything I want in terms of tone? My theory as of now is 1: Whenever I capture a analog singal via digital recording it is great. 2: When I record using modelling it is good to great depending on various variables. 3: When I play through my miced up analog singal chain it is awesome. 4: When I play a modeller through my signal chain it feels stiff, feels off, sounds weird and has less of everything. Because of point 4, I assume that it is a "feel" thing maybe latency (which is definetly there with the modelers) but then again why does it sound small, boxy and distant (which are not "fell" things). That is what I don't understand... I wish I would find out what the issue is. Thank you to everybody responding to my long letter! Rock'n'Roll! :)

[@KPSMUSIK]

@@DaipayanKarmakar I did and the difference is so immense that you don't even need to do it. You can feel it in a split second. The modeling through my exact same signal chain (Guitar, PA and everything) has less of everything. Less top end, low end, sparkle, midrange sounds weaker, less punch, less harmonics or a combination of those...

[@EliasCasula]

what about a video of the Tonex on bass? I am super curious!

[@brianwalton6283]

If it can be powered via USB-C, can this thing also be powered by a USB-C battery bank without connecting it to a computer?

[@ZombieLincoln666]

Yes of course

[@mazklassa9338]

This pedal promotion is blowing up everywhere on loads of guitar channels. Horizontal marketing at its best.

[@mazklassa9338]

@@CG-rf6nu so true 👍

[@latenight5865]

@latenight5865 0초 전 Thank you very much for this video! I am thinking about buying this for my semi acoustic bass to imitate upright bass tone as much as possible, utilizing 3rd party ir from double bass, and reverb & eq. I was wondering if I could blend dry signal through Tonex one for more natural sound. Is it possible with tonex one software?

[@CarlGtSmith]

TONEX ONE is nice! Guitar processors can make a big difference in sound depending on the CAB IR you use. actually there are many IR products on the market, but I think DYNAX IR has the best sound. As stated in their product description, DYNAX IR is really fast. When using IRs, the pick attack is sometimes delayed, and it is difficult to add picking nuances, but their IR prevents all of that. It's revolutionary!

[@alanoffer]

I’ve got a box full of pedals ,,,I’ve ended up using is reverb , delay and maybe a bit of modulation ,and compressor

[@davelinke]

Question for anybody who can do the comparison, how far apart is this say from a Zoom unit?

[@billyellow4849]

No XLR output?

[@catastrophic82]

I was thinking that, the Boss IR2 does and that's a big selling point IMO.

[@davidcjupp]

I wonder what the margin is on these for Andertons and how that might impact their reaction/review? The best capture tech on the market with 2 switchable amps available on a tiny 9v stomp for £175. This is undoubtedly an absolute game changer purely on price and form factor. What used to be £1k tech for under £200. I'm not surprised they're trying to downplay this as it could cannibalise a LOT of their other amp/pedal sales.

[@steved1099]

Its all moving so fast that its hard to know when / what to buy... UA lion, Strymon, Tonex (original), Boss IR2, Tonex one, Pod expresss, HX one - phew.... choices choices

[@alecpalmer9714]

I've tried UA, Strymon, and most recently the Boss IR-2. The IR-2 (as long as you load your own IRs on it) cleared EVERYTHING by a mile...It is incredible...especially the tweed and twin settings on it.

[@andertons]

I agree - so many options out there. There isn't really a bad one - just the one that suits you best

[@steved1099]

​​@alecpalmer9714 they are the exact amps I use. Currently using a Boss GX100 as Helix was just too big now. hmm interesting you tried them and came to this conclusion. thanks for this info 👍

[@steved1099]

​@andertons it's all your fault.. all look and sound so good in your demos 😂.

[@AlexHallArt]

@@alecpalmer9714 just got the ir-2 any specific recommendations for upgraded IR-s for it?

[@jswen2477]

isnt like mooer micro series amp without the uploading

[@robertosonzogni]

Does it work for bass guitars????

[@satyanpatel6403]

It does.

[@chopperdeath]

It’s all over.

[@absolutevalue23]

if you're asking if this is what A.I. in a pedal is (which would be preferred to y'all just claiming it for no reason in the title), i'm fairly certain it is not.

[@ElyJennis]

Man if it was USB-C powered you could use a battery pack, velcro it to the back of your guitar with a wireless transmitter, and be totally wireless... maybe a 9V to usb adapter would still facilitate that!?

[@sconethief]

You can power it off the USB.

[@ElyJennis]

@@sconethief Ok well thats awesome! Im totally doing this!

[@dwftube]

I don't doubt that is in the near future.

[@bobdelellis]

I have two QC's, a Kemper Stage and a Tonex Pedal. The Tonex sounds the best followed by the QC and then the Kemper, BUT the QC does everything I need in ONE compact unit, including more amp options, acoustic emulation, reverb, delay, 12-string emulation, a harmonize and pitching down 1/2 or a whole step for songs we play where the original recording was not recorded A440. I just preordered the the Tonex One. Why, because it is a great sounding amp modeler that can fit in your shirt pocket and I can throw it on the floor with my MXR Timmy and finish a gig if the QC goes down. I'd just have to transpose the songs not at A440 or skip them, BUT I'd make it thru the rest of the night. I have a spare QC, but I don't carry it to every gig.

[@7171jay]

So how do you think a piece of gear like this will function say ten years from now? Will it be a useless brick or will it still work ??? I have real amps that are 30-60 years old that I have owned for like 30 years now that I play every day. Sure they have needed a few repairs over the years but I'm pretty confident I can continue to keep them going as long as I myself keep going.

[@rlm4471]

It'll probably still work, but nobody will want it because they'll think it sucks compared to the latest generation of digital tech. Like you, I appreciate the timelessness of a classic analog circuit.

[@glowingfatedie]

I don't see those twistable LED's masquerading as "knobs" surviving more than a year.

[@stephentyndall159]

I was interested in the boss ir2 pedal but it seems way overpriced all of a sudden!

[@x2mars]

How much does the software cost?

[@bluefish1875]

What's Peters prs model

[@twangman-5224]

It's even got a built-in tuner!

[@lukasz_mroz]

A built-in tuna you say?

[@stoopidvideoz]

The tuner sounds terrible though

[@mikewendeln5218]

I was looking at the line six go, now I don’t know. This looks pretty cool.

[@guitartoneSA]

So you get to choose between two tones at a gig?

[@PlaneTShakeRo]

two amp captures, with reverb, compression and noise gate.

[@mrcoatsworth429]

Like a normal amp. Makes sense to me. If you want more, that's what the bigger one is for.

[@digitalchris6681]

You can load 20. But you do have to press the Alt button to select: the two amps refers to just using the main foot switch.

[@tonedowne]

Yeah. The idea is that you use it with other pedals. It's why it's so small. You can speak it onto your pedalboard or keep it in your guitar case as backup

[@laneonguitar64]

THE END OF A PEDAL BOARD...LIKE INTO A AMP HEAD/COMBO?

[@laneonguitar64]

Not in my experience. I would love to have several amps at my disposal......it turned into a zoo.

[@parapet128]

Can I plug in my headphones to it?

[@neilkorsgaard]

Yes

[@frankcarter6427]

in 2 years.there'll be loads of em on e-bay - 'barely used, mint - still in box'

[@stoneysdead689]

Yep.

[@DavidJosephBoth]

why would that be?

[@frankcarter6427]

@@DavidJosephBoth cos it's an impulse buy gimmick like those stupid 3D headphones

[@johnpickk7526]

​@@frankcarter6427it's not a gimmick lol, you old guys just don't get it as usual. Lol. Shit take.

[@DavidJosephBoth]

@@frankcarter6427 it sounds indistinguishable from a recorded amp. I play guitar, own both. Nothing profiles better than Tonex (minus neural amp modleer, if you have high-end equipment.). I've owned them all. How is it a gimmick? Kemper doesn't sound as real, helix definitely doesn't, neural quad doesn't. The latency is near non-existent. And it's tiny, fits in your pocket and has everything but fx loop.

[@Ren-X]

This is a total fingers up to Pod Express. They've even made it cheaper

[@marcusbarrett9024]

I feel sorry for anyone who bought one.

[@tarkenton3895]

The POD Express has far better on board control without needing the software though. It's a different thing

[@Ren-X]

@@tarkenton3895 I guess you have one on order then?

[@robinr22]

FX too. Overpriced but it does more.

[@tah5w]

Awesome video. The only improvement that I would surely welcome is a gate with downward extention multiband denoising- like the Bertom denoiser. Some of the high-gain Tone models are quiet with the current gate when not playing, but tend to allow a lot of noise and hiss through while playing. I've found the Bertom denoiser ridiculously helpful for in DAW studio recording, but when I play live with Tonex pedal, I find room for improvement. Helix has a better gate imo. Outside of this aspect, Tonex is king!

[@OccamsEraserhead]

Mate! Absolute game changer! I've pretty much given up playing guitar as the electricity in my house is wired straight to Satan's ballsack - and all the noisegates in the world didn't help. That Bertom thing completely got rid of it. Thank you!

[@ritzenhauf]

Least informative and excited take on this pedal yet

[@johnbach2380]

That pushed 800 sounded ❤❤

[@NO-TALK-GuitarPlugin]

Returning my kemper player for this thing ❤

[@vedder10]

Why what's wrong with he player?

[@NO-TALK-GuitarPlugin]

@@vedder10 it’s too limited with fx and profiles aren’t as good as ToneX machine learning tech for the feel of amp captured imo

[@vedder10]

@@NO-TALK-GuitarPlugin Thank you I appreciate the response.

[@gffg387]

@@vedder10 Tonex profiles are more accurate than the Kemper ones

[@milankotevski1663]

@@vedder10 I had Kemper toaster, and honestly I much prefer Tonex. It just has more authentic raw amp tones.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

My problem with this sort of thing is you get the "basic" version for free (no doubt with an email address to sign up) and you're subjected to constant upselling. You'll end up spending thousands if you want the full version of everything.

[@robertogarza5377]

Everybody is here for the pedal. I’m curious about Danish Pete’s guitar, and how much it costs?😮

[@WutipongWongsakuldej]

As a audio interface... it's kinda meh. I need 16bit/48KHz to play with Jamulus, but it only support 24bit/44.1KHz

[@1Guug]

If this can do midi over usb I sell my big Tonex pedal, even without I consider it

[@steveeckert8396]

I've got the ToneX amp and love it. To be honest, if you can afford it, spend the extra money on the full version

[@luisfarias8566]

But then you'll need this for the extra od so just get this since tonex doesn't have the extra drive on some models.

[@steveeckert8396]

@@luisfarias8566 a Valeton GP-200LT for $280 would give you "any" OD you want plus a whole lot more

[@Fonkemman]

I hope it has a feedback simulator.

[@ClemsonJohnson]

Not for me but I always enjoy your videos.

[@052RC]

Do they actually play this thing so we can hear what it sounds like, or is it just talking for the whole video? I skipped to the part where they lets hear it, and a few minutes in, they're still talking. I just couldn't take it.

[@Vertigo504]

Fair enough that it's not for you, but at least be fair to the product. This offers captures on par with £1000+ systems (Kemper and QC) for a couple of hundred quid. It's an absolute game changer and IK Multimedia deserve serious credit for it! You showed the same lack of enthusiasm about the big Tonex. maybe get someone who understands the ecosystem to revisit? Love Andertons and your content, just think you could do better on this! 👍

[@gdawgs101]

These old guys just made up their mind that they don't like modelers long ago. Seems like they just grit their teeth and try to "get through" these videos

[@danielwmwolf]

In the beginning I thought it's the wrong guitar, way to much midrange emphasis. Then as they went through various options it didn't change much except for pets exceptional playing. And they recommend to get the software and use the presets as a starting point to dig deeper into creating your own sounds. A well done introduction into this pedal, with the options and the encouragement to play with it. Well done guys. Interesting, opinionated, not brochure like statements. Thx🙏

[@stoneysdead689]

@@gdawgs101 Capt. uses a modeler in his office- says he loves it. It one of the NUX models. And these are the guys who talked me into trying out the MX5 I currently use, because they bragged on it so much. Get your panties unwadded, just because they didn't care for your favorite piece of gear doesn't mean they hate modeling- that's ridiculous. I don't care for Tone-x myself- I've heard modelers that sound far better imo- the UAFX Lion or the Freidman IR-x both sound better. And- instead of always copying someone else's tone- you're more apt to develop your own and stick to it if you don't have a list of thousands of presets to choose from.

[@user-ge2vc3rl1n]

"on par with kemper and qc" is just kind of delusional

[@Vertigo504]

lol search "leo Gibson Tonex Kemper quad cortex" - watch the video then come back and tell me I'm delusional again

[@tobymearing8407]

£179! not for me as i get choice paralysis - but this little critter is going to be HUGE...forget the not-a-klon...everyone is going to want one of these

[@iagobroxado]

Yes, I'll buy a 189$ pedal to function as a Big Muff... or a Rat. What about a middle-of the-road version, with 2 footswitches and easier access to the stored amp sounds and less hassle to tweak knobs?? I'd consider that.

[@cruzcastro4681]

You know you can get Rats and Muffs for like $70 right?

[@CharLessMajor7Music]

@@cruzcastro4681not as versatile tho. This one can be a fuzz, a distortion/overdrive, & an amp.

[@bmxriderforlife1234]

For pedal cloning is more about cloning say a 1000k plus klon or something

[@johnpickk7526]

Why would you do that? Sounds silly to me.

[@iagobroxado]

@@cruzcastro4681 I guess you didn't realize but I was being ironic.

[@peevee605]

One for rhythm and one for lead live into the power amp of a back line amplifier and I’m good to go.