WHEN SEB MADE HIS MARK! The Story of the 2008 Italian Grand Prix

[@Ramtamtama]

Seb's victory made me reflect a bit. "A guy my age has won a Grand Prix, and I've done what?" were my thoughts at the time.

[@AidanMillward]

I say that when I watch the athletics now. Kids born in 2008 winning golds at the Olympics. Piss take.

[@crapmalls]

Yeah but you probably didnt have a few mil to drive the preceeding formulas. With that kind of dough you can achieve better things than winning a race

[@danesorensen1775]

According to my notes, Vettel owed this race to a pitch-sensitive Adrian Newey aero package, a good set of Italian Brembos, and talent. Bourdais is on record as saying, "In the dry, the car has huge flick oversteer in fast and medium-speed corners. In the wet it’s a totally different car - really fun to drive." And pretty much everyone else had Carbon Industrie brakes that had great stopping power when dry but couldn't cope with getting sprayed. The Brembos were a bit softer and more forgiving in the conditions. The rest was up to Seb.

[@bumblebity2902]

For his championship years he should be owed to Adrian. Without him, he would be mediocre driver at least who had tough time with Stroll

[@Andrewgriff]

​@bumblebity2902 Bro are you okay?

[@midnightlexicon]

Vettels career was my first real deep dive into F1. Ive been a big fan ever since. Miss him.

[@YT-mn4eq]

Same here

[@MrBr100200]

It really isn't the same without him.

[@belvinananda]

He will be back, mark my word

[@YT-mn4eq]

@@belvinananda consider it marked

[@crusherbmx]

It still cracks me up that Torro Rosso won a race before Red Bull, I remember that when I heard that Seb was going to Red Bull for 2009, I thought it was a mistake, stay with the winning team, dude.

[@RACECAR]

I see you had a similar experience of predicting how well the move was gonna go. Prior to the season: "This'll never work, he's gonna regret it" After the season: "Well, damn" I'd like to point out this was the first time I made that mistake. You'd think I'd learn with Hamilton's move from Mclaren to Merc but then 2014 comes around and yeah...this is why I don't bet real money.

[@brokentuskclan1795]

Watching Seb go from F1's brat to F1's Dad something I didn't expect.

[@JohnSmithShields]

Even Alonso is almost likeable now. Once they know the finish line is coming, they relax, and the real person shines through.

[@TheSt1092]

I think Seb was a guy who peaked really young . I think as well as the loss of the blown diffuser the strain of pushing for four staight titles and having kids took it's toll on him and he never rediscovered his early career form.

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

So kinda like Jaques Villeneuve, but less falloff?

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

I honestly think that leaving RB was his biggest mistake. Yes, Danny Ric was doing exceedingly well, and the Renault engine was unreliable and getting slower, but he thrived in the atmosphere of the team. I understood him going to Ferrari because of Schumacher, but with the gift of 20:20 hindsight, it was the biggest mistake of his career. Sad, really.

[@CyanRooper]

He could've gone to Mercedes Benz and driven alongside Hamilton but he chose to try and emulate his hero Michael Schumacher instead. Sadly that never happened and I wish he could've won at least one title with Ferrari but it seems Ferrari will never go back to that level of dominance from the early 2000s. He even told Leclerc to "not waste his potential" which makes me believe that Vettel has truly given up on Ferrari and I think he might have even told the same thing to Mick which might be why Mick is no longer a member of the Ferrari Driver Academy.

[@S2KEVIN]

@@thestarlightalchemist7333 JV chased money and took on the challenge of building a team.

[@corpsecoder_nw6746]

if you watched 2017 live, you know how good he still was. 2018 was also a year where you saw his best and some of his characteristic errors.

[@azapro911]

Vettel's first win may well have been his best, Toro Rosso were strong that weekend but to be in such command of those conditions at 21 was phenomenal.

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

Singapore 2013 was just as good if not better honestly 😅

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Just like the majority of F1 fans, I had always been a fan of Minardi. Toro Rosso were still Minardi in my heart - and I know I was anything other than alone thinking that. So when this young talent won that race, I - and I am positive I was not the only one - jumped up and screamed with delight. I think they heard us in Italy 🤣

[@Klutch58Customs]

I watched this race from a hotel in Bulgaria whilst on holiday. The commentary was in German. As a fan of the fledgling superstar and with premium beer at 50p a pint, I got a bit lost in the moment and ended up spraying beer off the balcony while singing the Italian & German anthem (with prewar lyrics) to a baffled and perhaps terrified packed swimming pool. I've never been back.

[@mikehipperson]

Were you deported?

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

@@mikehipperson Executed on the spot. Its a shame, really. Poor guy

[@eamonahern7495]

That was my 33rd birthday. That was the year I got a rather unusual birthday present: an older sister! Long story short, my mother gave a child up for adoption when she lived in New York in the 1960s. That child went looking for her birth mother as a grown up in 2008. It was around the time of that grand prix that I first got in touch with her. There's another happy memory I have from that grand prix.

[@callumcjham4478]

10:52 - That is a mad stat right there

[@vatsaldvora]

Fun fact. Vettel’s race engineer that day was Riccardo Adami who later became his Race engineer at Ferrari

[@JohnSmithShields]

Slow button on.

[@Aubergineman18]

Really???? Is it true?

[@areasquirrel]

My man Seb! Raise that finger for the first time! I was so delighted, and it was not only a rain induced underdog story, it was a great way to distract from the manufactured controversy over Belgium and good old 'British bias', with LewLew nowhere, and unfortunately for The Plaintiff Felipe Massa, another spin happy wet weekend. Vettel had been getting better and better, and I was backing him after the disaster followed by redemption story of Japan and China the previous year. This sealed it. Michael was gone, now it was my turn to support a German, which to the relief of the rest of the house brought an end to me going all "Don't mention the war!" around anything German. While everyone else was getting soaked horseriding, I was glued to the race hoping for that 'remember this is Minardi!' story to come true after the WTF of Q3 with the 2 Sebs. This was the race that truly codified the 'give the place back rule', as everyone in the wake of Spa (quelle surprise, I agreed with that penalty, as did The Plaintiff) dutifully backed off out of Rettifilo if they went off, and stayed behind through Curva Grande to make absolutely certain they did not get pinged. See, it's not difficult, guys! Don't give me that Get Out of Jail Free business, George, just back off and shut up. That chicane may well need to change, but that's another matter. It was amusing to think "Here we go again!" with the anthem combination, but never would have thought Vettel would wear the red some day. He seemed like he was Red Bull for life at that point. It was such an unusual weekend, not least because I'd never seen rain at Monza before. My golden era truly began here.

[@seancassidy795]

From peach faced kid to Unabomber lookin dude, what a ride it has been.

[@CyanRooper]

He does look like the kind of person who would say something like this: "The average Formula 1 tyre touches grass more often than you do."

[@maliklowry1236]

I was lucky enough to be at the 2007 United States Grand Prix . That was the race he filed on for Kubica after the crash in Canada. Vettel's first start and first points.

[@JohnSmithShields]

2008 was one of those seasons that had a bit of everything, and is great for looking back on. Plus #blessed finally getting his first championship was emotional.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Evan as a Lewis supporter hastag blessed always makes me laugh lmao

[@TheOneAndOnlyCraig]

As a huge Vettel fan I've always been very pleased to be able to say - I was there!

[@KendrickLamarfan123]

Hey Aidan! I think you should make a vid on Keiichi Tsuchiya, a driver from Japan who was labled the drift king for drifting out of corners and having a distinct style in japanese touring car and endurance racing. Keep up the videos!

[@terminateshere]

Canada and Italy were both feel-good factors that year. For Kubica, it was a false dawn, BMW lost the plot and then the rally accident just when he was getting his career back on track. For Vettel, the start of greatness. He might have made himself unpopular circa 2013, but he won us back, and then some, by the end.

[@wabba67]

This was one of those weird one-off races, like Spa 2009 or Paul Ricard 1990, where an underdog suddenly performs much better than the usual suspects.

[@hannesgroesslinger]

I still wonder how that race would have ended, had Toro Rosso gotten Bourdais' engine started when they were supposed to. Vettel was clearly the better qualifyer of the two. But like in most races that season, Bourdais had the better race pace. By the time they finally got his engine running and sent him out the pits, he was already 1 lap and 50 seconds behind Vettel. At the finish line he was 1 lap and 30 seconds back. He somehow made up 20 seconds over that race distance, despite spending more than half of the race stuck behind slower cars. Sure, Vettel was taking no risks at the front of the field. He probably could have gone faster had he needed to. But still, it would be interesting to know where Bourdais had ended up had he started from the second row where he qualified.

[@EddieVanAidan]

I remember being gutted for Bourdais when he stalled it, nothing went right for him in F1

[@crusherbmx]

The podium that day was made up of all 3 of the drivers who won their first race in 2008....and unfortunately for the other 2, their only wins.

[@EddieVanAidan]

If Vettels career happened in reverse I think he would be held in much higher regard

[@chuckratkay43]

I LOVED this era of cars - especially the 2005-6 Renault. They just had the right ratio of Length/Width, and the tires were just so chunky looking. BRING THIS BACK !

[@ioni6x]

07-08 are so good, the Aero, the size but they we're relative slow for F1 Cars.

[@MitchellOrd]

yeah 05-08 was peak aesthetically

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

9:07 this was also the youngest average podium ever at the time until Brazil 2019 with Max Pierre and Carlos

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

4:24 if menory serves me right he is still the youngest pole setter ever! Max had like 3 years to break it but never did, it was one of those weird ones that everyone thought he would do it but he never did Funnily enough LeClerc got his first pole at a younger age than Max and got his first pole before Max despite entering F1 3 years larer than Max Fun fact Lando was only 9 days older than Max when he got his first pole had he got his pole potentially at Spa before he stacked it in the rain he would have been younger too

[@ashmillermotorsport]

Vettel was the bar by which my own limited race career was measured; we were born a week apart and in 2008 I was racing in the Australian MX5 championship, watching this guy win his first GP that year was incredible. Made me an instant fan.

[@VicarOfMayhem]

Yes! I remember that weekend, more of a "who?" vibe and wondering where that came from LOL I enjoyed watching Vettel's career from that point on. Thanks for the great video!

[@Vadjong]

I don't fanboy for anybody, but jeez, was I ever rooting for this one.

[@Joe-wj7ku]

4:20 nice Aidan but also isn't Vettel STILL the youngest polesitter?!

[@adamvenus6382]

I was there! The amount of mud in the Monza park from the rain that weekend was memorable, too

[@jeankepler]

That qual session is one of my most found memories of F1, let alone that season.

[@thelegend5243]

25 shadowing! 😂😂😂, Timo Glock is a legend

[@DidierPeroni]

I didn’t really like RedBull Vettel. But goddamnit it was clear - he was a special one.

[@ibex485]

After Torro Rosso's Monza win, it was reported that in the run up to the race Gerhard Berger had gone to Maranello and used his old Ferrari connections to get Torro Rosso (he was co-owner) some of the 'good engines' for that race - the more powerful engines Ferrari kept for themselves. Torro Rosso having identified Monza in advance as a track which would suit their car. (That raised a bit of a question - there was an engine freeze introduced for 2008 and the engines from each supplier were supposed to be the same spec for everyone.)

[@gregd806]

Vettel from 2008-2014: Just Put him on Pole, and Watch him mostly Win. And Boy, do I miss him..😢

[@AidanMillward]

Think that was part of his problem. He could only win if he was at the pointy end of the grid.

[@gregd806]

@@AidanMillward you're Not wrong.. He never had that Hamilton or Verstappen Like "I'm coming from 15 to The podium" Thing going on...That's why I think he struggled with overdriving at Ferrari.

[@aaronaaronsen3360]

09:46 ..couldn't help but laugh. Brilliant pun.

[@ThePaineTrain]

Alternate title: The race that proved Kovalainen wouldn't make it as a top driver. It was an open goal.

[@minibus9]

awesome video, remeber this well

[@greyone40]

Nice recap. I don't remember any of the details, it was just a great day to see one of the lower teams take a win.

[@crusherbmx]

I instantly became fan, even stayed a fan during 2013 when he'd be booed on the podium. I said he will be the next big thing, and I was right....then I got cocky and by 2012 I thought i was a genius, I picked Maldonado to be a sensation after his win....oh geez....and I thought Perez was going places after a few podiums for Sauber....well that ..sort of...panned out.....8 years later....

[@RACECAR]

Some do take abit longer to get there, but it is absolutely worth the wait when they do.

[@Midtable1881]

Would be cool to make a video on Pierre Gaslys win, the parallels are there. Hamilton has a stinker, Red Bull sister team wins and it’s at Monza.

[@VonBlade]

The downside of being old. 2008 is a really recent season in my lifetime, and I struggle to imagine how anyone isn't aware of it. Then I remember if you're 18, it was the race of your kindergarten years. You could be 30 and not concious enough to have seen Senna's death. Someone stop the passage of time please.

[@Cnimail]

This is what the FIA were hoping for with Singapore this year

[@Nexus1x]

I genuinely believe Lewis could’ve won this race if they put on the right tyres at his stop. His pace was electric on his first stint.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Yup his pace was fantastic but his pit strategy failed him that day IIRC he was meant to only pit once but changed to wrong tires McLaren ruined his weekend by forgetting the rule number 1 of formula 1 in the changeable conditions you have to be on the right tires at the right time! Him and Kimi suffered

[@Trivaldo99]

Sir Hastag of Blessed 😂

[@pistolpollie4059]

I thought Torro Ross drove with V10 engines with limited amount of revs instead of V8 that year. Am I right? That also contributed to the strong pace at Monza.

[@AidanMillward]

Only for 2006.

[@christopher6101]

I thought it was Webber who had the incident at the first chicane with Hamilton

[@effwitt]

Wasn't the 2008 Toro Rosso designed by a company created by Red Bull that also created the senior Red Bull entry and not a rebadged Minardi? My recollection was that they did this to exploit a now closed loophole in the regulations. (I may be wrong - I often am) It was a fun race to watch and thank you for making this video!

[@ibex485]

RB's plan was for Torro Rosso to use the same chassis/car as Red Bull Racing. (Just as Super Aguri planned to use a Honda chassis.) But this was against the rules. They tried to claim it was legal by saying that Torro Rosso owned the intellecual property to the car's design. Also the structure of Red Bull was that Red Bull Technology designed & supplied the car, not Red Bull Racing. (Red Bull Technology supplied both teams.) The rules were tighened up in advance of the new teams joining for 2010. Iirc Alpha Tauri still have a design office in the UK iirc, 'adjacent to' Red Bull's facilities. But they did return to constucting the chassis themselves at the Faenza factory.

[@CookRacingUK]

I'll admit, I thought ruthless Seb was a d**k. Hew grew up to be Uncle Seb - a gent. So y'know, there's hope for Max yet...

[@davidmarecek1754]

9:28 well... that aged well...

[@Tacko14]

I vaguely remember Seb winning Fuji in a TR, also in the very wet. Mostly because of two guys down the order, Massa and… someone… battling for position more off than on track, time and again. Charlie never intervened. That was the first time I realised Seb was truly on his way up. Did he really win? I was watching the rooster fight more tbh

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

Seb never won in Fuji He was third at one point before him and webber collided under the safety car as it was going around and Seb misjudged how much Lewis braked behind the safety car clattering into Webber

[@markojovanovski3372]

Wasnt that germany? With massa and Kubica battling off track?

[@aoife1122]

Sebastian and Julie were so good that year, they'da beaten Red Bull even if they had transferred Bourdais' 4 points to RB. ;)

[@stefencooke]

I had forgotten that Torro Rosso won before red bull

[@martinlampert4721]

This race really epitomised Bourdais’ luck….

[@helenarmour184]

Fun fact - the only time a Ferrari engine has won a race, that wasn’t in a Ferrari works car ;-)

[@kitko33]

You focus too much on the race itself. But Vettel was the fastest man in qualifying - purely on merit and driving ability. Yes, the car worked but there were drivers in much better and fasters cars. Vettel did something similar in Monza a couple of years later - he won the fastest race in the slowest car. Red Bull was one of the, if not THE, slowest car in straight line speed, yet Vettel was faster on hard tires than anyone else on soft ones. Including his teammate in the identical car. Again, that's the driver, not the car who won the race.

[@potatogirlcultist19]

This is a video about Sebastian Vettel, who got called to race for Toro Rosso halfway through a season and then go on to beat the senior team. One day later, Liam Lawson, who got called up halfway through the season to race for Toro Rosso goes on and then beats the senior team. Is this foreshadowing or what?

[@AidanMillward]

Marko probably ripping his contract up as we speak.

[@potatogirlcultist19]

@@AidanMillward Yeah Lawson is the real deal. We already kind of know that because of his exploits in DTM, where he got, for lack of a better word, robbed and in Super Formula where he could win the title in his first season, but to see him take to the fight to the big guns in just his 3rd race (I think) is super exciting.

[@yudhabagaskara98]

Can't believe that somebody can break his winning streak record

[@kifferseal]

Love your videos . But the piano intro with 13 sec is just way to long , it was fun in the beginning but now its 😴

[@Colin_Pole]

Here is part 1 of the race, cant remember when the Hamilton/Glock squeeze happened. . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3ekaYqZf7iIrNUsi=3zmaJjophhKcqZWk

[@Colin_Pole]

Part 2 . kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4bRpIN4Ztqqbsksi=wlyj4ao1fuvoVMt1

[@Colin_Pole]

Part 3.... there isn't a part 4 . . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGOzqql3ocx9b6ssi=kQuIkGvt4YGXoonu

[@bumblebity2902]

Or more correctly Adrian make his mark at RB.

[@mgrzx3367]

Do the British love Hamilton even if he is not White? ( not being racist i am a fan forever but what does Britain do?)

[@IIGrayfoxII]

Hamilton drives like he is the only one on track. Some things never change

[@Eswald]

yOu FoRgOt ZsOlt bAumGartNEr!!111!!1!

[@nuancedhumour]

10:49 first win for an Italian based team at Monza since 1957? Um.. You know Ferrari exists, right?

[@AidanMillward]

That wasn’t Ferrari.

[@frankdocter]

@@AidanMillwardno but Ferrari is very much Italian based and have very much won between 57 and 09.

[@AidanMillward]

@@frankdocter the point was that it was the first Italian team not Ferrari to win a race.

[@Rabauterman]

@@AidanMillward I didn't get that either from what you said. It sounds like no italian team whatsoever has won since the 50s. Also where did you get the info, that Fangio won 57 on Maserati? All info I can find says Moss won in 57 (on Vanwall), and Fangio got second (on Maserati). In 56 Moss won on Maserati. The last time Fangio won on Maserati was in 53.

[@piermariobarozzi]

Massa never reallly stood a chance against Hamilton in 2008, too many mistakes, he was just a damper spring in the head from stop being a decent driver... but he was never really good, now he is just being a pagliaccio looking for something he never won