SUPERMARKETS NOT SUPERSTARDOM! The Career of Pedro Diniz (1995-2000)

Considering the equipment he had, and how often it fell apart, Pedro didn't do so badly, all things considered. He was average at best, but might have eeked out some more performance had he started a little earlier. It'd be like a 40 year old trying to learn how to be a concert pianist.
I guess this is another case of stats not telling the whole story, but I'll leave that to you to decide...
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[@f1watcher]

I was in the Pedro Fan Club. My Membership number was 66.. (in the world) My boss told me : If you want to get invites to test sessions , join the fan club of some no hoper because you're not going to get anything from the Schumacher Supporters Club." He was right. I got to meat Pedro every year. I got invited by Arrows twice and once by Sauber to tyre tests at Silverstone. We used to hold our AGM in the broom cupboard of Towscter Leisure Center every year a few days before the British GP. I remember one year Pedro was told he had to leave our AGM because he had some sponsorship do. "Tell them what you like" said Pedro to his manager. "I'd rather spend the time with my fans who have paid money to be in my fan club." The manger went ape shit but Pedro stayed and had a beer with his fans. He was a decent driver and an all round good guy who appreciated his fans.

[@dodolurker]

That's really cool, thanks for sharing 🙂. He did always seem like a decent fella.

[@markwaddington5651]

One of my favourite drivers. I know it would never happen but would have loved to see him in a reliable car

[@AidanMillward]

@@f1watcher fan clubs… are they still a thing or is it just twitter echo chambers now?

[@rafaelcaus3762]

Diniz is a funny story. He got better with time during his F1 career. He was quite good in Monaco and fast tracks and even got a P1 in a practice session in Austria in 1997. He is for sure top 3 of the pay drivers of that era. And I remember when his father was kidnapped. It was huge news here in Brazil with breaking news 24/7 on TV. Another great episode, Aidan!

[@ElAmokoLoco]

I have high respect for Diniz' driving skills. Yes, he carried the "pay driver" stigma, but look at what he achieved and how he improved, and his driving skills outshine the driving skills from many couch heroes by far.

[@dodolurker]

I started watching F1 in 1998 and remember Pedro Diniz. Definitely a journeyman, but he wasn't actually half bad. For a 90s paydriver, he was actually quite solid.

[@oliverparrish5470]

By the standards of the era he might even be the best of the pay drivers because atleast you didn't feel like there was a massive chasm between him and the rest of the drivers on the grid as was common with pay drivers at the time.

[@f1watcher]

I was in his fan club ! Worldwide member number 66

[@dodolurker]

@@oliverparrish5470 Exactly. He was quite respectable against Salo, Alesi and Hill, and that's no small feat.

[@oliverparrish5470]

@@dodolurker yeah exactly and especially in the context of an era where pay drivers were necessary for the back of pack teams this is especially notable you'd much rather have a diniz in the second seat than someone like rosset to give an example from the same period atleast diniz was capable of being competitive with even a world champion level first driver like Damon Hill on a good weekend. Meanwhile rosset was so bad the engineers out of anger at his incompetence changed his name on the board to tosser, to show the contrast 😂😂

[@tristanwhite3472]

Pedro Diniz Finished 6th at the 1998 Belgain GP A Very good Result he stayed on the Track when many others couldn’t and he showed good,pace.

[@ic3man]

5th* Trulli got 6th

[@LucasOliveira-tt2ll]

also noteworthy to mention that his dad was also a gentleman driver that managed to win a few endurance races in the early 70's, sharing an Alfa Romeo with his brother

[@FQA77]

Brazilian here: you said Companhia Brasileira de Distribuição proper. In a very gringo way, but proper! 😂 Great video!

[@almeidaariel9]

He also nailed the Pão de Açúcar \o/ next step is come to Brazil!🇧🇷 lol

[@LucasOliveira-tt2ll]

love to see english speakers trying to say pão and coming with "pau". It brightens my day

[@UlzXCII]

Here is his qualifying record: 95: Diniz 8 - 9 Moreno 96: Diniz 1 - 15 Panis 97: Diniz 3 - 14 Hill 98: Diniz 5 - 11 Salo 99: Diniz 4 - 12 Alesi 00: Diniz 6 - 11 Salo

[@largol33t1]

Don't forget, he outqualified Hill at SPA!!

[@bravalloy]

Race results (I will count it another way): 95: Diniz 3x10 - 0x10 Moreno 96: Diniz 02 pt - 13 pt Panis 97: Diniz 02 pt - 07 pt Hill 98: Diniz 03 pt - 03 pt Salo 99: Diniz 03 pt - 02 pt Alesi 00: Diniz 00 pt - 06 pt Salo

[@oliverparrish5470]

@@bravalloy tbf both data sets broadly show the same thing which is that although a pay driver diniz by no means was entirely unworthy of being on the grid unlike a lot of pay drivers at the time and got better as his career went on. Like he wasn't a number 1 driver by any means but for a back half of grid team he was a decent number 2 who wouldn't waste your second seat and could on his day get in the points while also bringing in money as a pay driver. The fact he beat both hill and alesi in some qualifying sessions and even out scored alesi shows this pretty clearly.

[@bravalloy]

@ True. But by no means I wanted to confront you. I mentioned other day how today's points system is unfair with old drivers. For example: Larini had 1x10 in 88, 7x10 in 90, 1x10 on 91 before a 2nd place for Ferrari in 94 and 1 point in 95 for a total of 7 points. In today's point system: 51 points (if I am not mistaken).

[@simontravers2715]

God it’s crazy to think who would rank where in the 90s with todays points system &, more importantly, RELIABILITY!!! Poor Rubens in ‘97!!!

[@tbmofoulprinceromero]

What I always find incredible is that using today's points system, Eddie Irvine would have become 1999 world champion, with a sizable margin over Hakkinen.

[@bizarroeddie1]

A perfectly serviceable pay driver. He was inferior to his teammates but never looked like he didn't belong, and scored his points in a time only the top 6 finishes were awarded points. Today there are drivers in the midfield that make their careers out of 7th places and lower point finishes.

[@megaxtrime3144]

Never caught your video so soon sweet to watch as I relax after work

[@AidanMillward]

Normally they go up much earlier than it did today but stuff kept happening...

[@judgedeath3]

Wish this video was longer, Pedro Diniz is one of the classic/cult drivers I know and like to read about. Like more about his driving style and what races was the best from him and other noteworthy events in F1 he was involved in. But its a great video none the less, good work! Not sure if its true or not but I remember reading one of the reasons he got sacked from Prost team was that he tried to get into a leading position within the team if not alright buying the team, which alain prost didnt like and they fell apart. Diniz with his money could easily do that to be fair. And that brings me to: Pedro diniz is according to several sites one of the richest people to ever drive in F1, and he was that eras Lance stroll. But which of those two drivers were the best? I vote on Diniz. But they are similair, both are super rich and uses money to get to better teams, but I think Stroll is richer but not sure.

[@dodolurker]

I'll go for Diniz, definitely. He seemed like a decent guy. Lance just seems like a prat 😀. I'd also say Diniz was the better driver.

[@WarriorRazor]

I have a full genuine Arrows A18 decal set from Diniz's car in '97. Not sure why I have it but I have it.

[@K24Z3]

Since you brought up Jackie Ickx. In 1977 he won the Hardie Ferodo 1000 at Bathurst with Allan Moffat in a Ford Falcon.

[@swimrunmatt]

Diniz was one of my favourite F1 drivers of the late 90s - I think possibly just because I liked his name? Anyway, as far as I remember, it was reported that in his last season with Sauber he actually had a wage from the team - like, he'd gone from pay driver to paid driver?

[@fireblade1k952]

Love the videos and as a Brazilian I appreciate your attempt at pronouncing Portuguese 😂

[@davidmarecek1754]

The man, the myth, the legend... Bob

[@InnerTurbulencia]

He was one of the most overpowered drivers in Grand Prix Manager 2, a one man unlimited money cheat.

[@SergioPaiva56]

Pedro Diniz father a d uncle won the traditional Brazilian 1000 Miles of Interlagos, in 1970, when the circuit was still the spetacular 8 km long track. They drove an Alfa GTAm, and surprisingly beat a Ferrari 512, an Alfa 33, a Porsche 910 and others

[@IndiBrony]

16:40 - Red Bull and Petronas on the same car also powered by Ferrari!

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

And a couple years before that had Mercedes engines!

[@simontravers2715]

Both iconic & ironic

[@eamonahern7495]

I had a different comment written but, after reading the comments, I now know who "Bob" is. I should have known from "Bob"!

[@MattB1792]

Yeah. I should have known who he meant.

[@pliiatz7534]

Where have you lived? Under the rock? Everybody knows who Bob is - the most famous racing driver in the world.

[@jayhsn5245]

Another brilliant video, talking of Italians would love to hear your version on two nearly men for Italy, Arboreto the Ferrari failure, or better still the Riccardo Patrese story. Patrese was a very good but not popular driver for reasons out of his control. As I know you do too.

[@chrisstephens6194]

1994 and 1982 the most notorious seasons.

[@slasher9883]

I met Pedro at an event before the Australian GP when he was driving for Ligier (along with Olivier Panis, who I reckon is quite underrated). Didn't know much about him at the time but came across as a pretty decent bloke. Then saw an interview with him recently where he was talking about his organic farming business, and still came across as a smart and thoughtful fellow. So respect to him. As a driver, while he wasn't brilliant he was far from terrible and showed a lot of promise at times. I suspect with a decent car he could have had pretty good results.

[@alaricbragg7843]

Diniz did improve over time, probably because he took good advice from Rene Arnoux.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes True he did.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Damon Hill was the better Driver in 1997.

[@tristanwhite3472]

Well Obviously!

[@alaricbragg7843]

@tristanwhite3472 ...after a while.

[@alaricbragg7843]

@@tristanwhite3472 ...and only after being given threatened with the sack if he kept going slower than Diniz.

[@turnercraig9953]

Brilliant video as always! Agree with you on Pedro cpmpletely

[@elaldo2382]

When I started watching F1 in 1999 I was really surprised how commentators and punters looked down on Diniz but praised his teammate Jean Alesi. They seemed about level in races and Diniz even outscored Alesi. It's only afterwards I found out about his Ferrari hero status, despite never looking like their saviour.

[@616Themaster]

This is wicked sweet awesome.

[@The_BenboBaggins]

I hit the like button so you know that a good job was done ❤

[@EudesConhecido]

Pedro Paulo Diniz's father was named Abilio Diniz, his kidnapping became famous back then in 1989, where it was around the time of the first elections for president since 1960, because apparently some of the kidnappers when was presented by the police was using a t-shirt of one of the political parties running for president. Abilio Diniz after some time sold part of his supermarket chain to a french group and then got into a war where he was expelled from his own company. Also his other son João Paulo, Pedro's brother, had a helicopter accident once, where his girlfriend died. Steve Robertson did Indy Lights after that.

[@drmnishikawa]

Still think Diniz had a remarkable F1 career given the fact he had by far the worst CV within junior formulae among F1 full-time drivers in what I would call Professional Era.

[@bumblebity2902]

About 1994, you still haven't made video about Mansell stand in drives at Willams and why did become full-time reunion for 1995 to beat the Micheal

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Really interesting to learn about him. He showed flashes of talent, unlike some I could mention. Aidan, what do you think about Eurosport leaving Sky? No WEC at all from now on unless we pay extra. Like FE, they are going to lose fans. Lost this one anyway...

[@UncleJoeLITE]

Off topic, but watching you turn left, very quickly ofc, was fun. Shame about the crash.

[@officialmcdeath]

Echoes of Pete Frame and his Rock Family Trees \m/

[@CrunchyMotorsport]

Ive actually got a signed picture of him, so at least i regularly know about him

[@65hi863dhyu]

Very solid driver.

[@ryanstewart4444]

How much is the Inoue photo? Up to a point I'd be willing to cover it.

[@dodolurker]

Same.

[@Athrun82]

There was the joke about the 1999 Sauber that they would get progressivley faster as the race weekend goes by and on Mondays they would have the car to fight for wins. Also during the Hockenheim GP Alesi apparently told Diniz: "I will crash into your car so this bloddy weekend is over quickly".

[@liamgbooth]

Pedro Diniz. The only F1 driver I'm aware of who I share a birthday with.

[@AidanMillward]

@@liamgbooth I share mine with Peter Sauber.

[@liamh1982]

Well, I just found out I share mine with Theo Pourchaire, except he's 21 and I'm 21+21. No F1 drivers though AFAIK.

[@ForzaPolska06]

I share a birthday with Gabriel Bortoleto

[@nikitamedvedev4696]

Mine shared birthday is with Alonso, lol

[@OkWineGuy]

Hey folks, since your date of birth is usually a question they use to verify your identity; as fun as this is it's also a way people can figure out details about you and potentially steal your identity. But enjoy your May 22nd Bday.

[@bumblebity2902]

Aidan you read my mind I was prepare to write you about suggestion made video about this man aka OG daddy's cash

[@Tacko14]

Adressing the elephant in the room, or raging bull, how about a vid on Jos? I always think he would've done so much better given the proper, well, anything really. Especially at Benetton. I always thought they only had funds to do just the one proper car, and that was Schumi's. Jos, Letho and others were left with the leftovers. I might be wrong.

[@craigcharlesworth1538]

I always rated Pedro. He was hardly WDC material but he was a big cut above most pay drivers of the 90s and could often hold his own against highly rated team-mates. I was disappointed when he left F1 because I think he'd done enough to prove he was there on merit and not just because of his dad's money.

[@EddieVanAidan]

The Lance Stroll of the 90s

[@captainmagenta899]

HIT IT MARTIN!!!

[@nowind37]

back from the brink aidan... when you make a video about dacia in f1

[@MrSaywutnow]

Not just "Bob". *The* Bob. If we call Schumacher "The Michael", it's only fair that we call Moreno "The Bob."

[@dodolurker]

If "Robert" is "Bob", should "Roberto" be "Bobo"?

[@robbyburns]

According to Wikipedia Jacky Ickx's legal name is Jacques Bernard Edmond Marin Henri Ickx

[@zerogee768]

Diniz is another word for "cha-ching"

[@Ramtamtama]

7:16 Jacques Bernard Edmon Martin Henri Ickx. Ickx being a patronymic surname meaning "son of Icco". In a lot of surnames the -ckx suffix has changed to -cks or -ks. Sorry to ruin your fun.

[@y_fam_goeglyd]

Still, very interesting to me. Thanks!

[@Tacko14]

That's one of the real questions. Should anyone, be it a driver or a team, be allowed to have a go, or should there be a gatekeeper system? I'm not touching that with a ten foot pole. Jacques Villeneuve once said it took him half a year to just not crash the ruddy thing and finish a race in one piece, when he complained about Max having it easy. He's got a point, of sorts. By that measure, I think Diniz did alright every time he didn't crash. But. There are (ex) F1 drivers who were competitive, got landed without a contract, went to touring cars and got nowhere. There's Loeb, arguably the best there ever was but he never got the F1 license because he only did rally. Who's to say what is the ultimate test of capability? F1 gets the airtime, but is it really the ultimate or is it just tv friendly enough? I love the WEC but I never watch it. Too long winded for me to stay awake, but I do acknowledge it as the ultimate test. Rally takes on all and any circumstances. GrN tests cars you can actually buy. F1, next to that, only races in ideal circumstances over fairly short hauls. But it does take things to Mars and beyond. Which is the toughest? I'd say Dakar, but that is now a well catered for 5 star hotel trip. The original Thiery Sabine Paris Dakar, gps didn't exist, yeah. But snowflake culture will never again allow that. Fluffy pillow security is all. You really wanna be a hero? Tough. You're not allowed. You can't be a pioneer settler, you have to conform to the Man. The IRS at least will have its due, and you can't pay enough taxes if you don't live as long as you might do. Live longer, pay more!

[@ruddgrandprix-speedrunraci8515]

I wonder what's for Diniz.

[@jonnyh5]

Is the program mind maps?

[@superlazy3355]

Hi! 🏎️

[@philipbain]

Good Old Bob Moreno!

[@mikesummers-smith4091]

One of those drivers whose middle name could have been Graveltrap.

[@Shortbaldandbroke]

Always thought Diniz was hard done by, he wasn't a world champion for sure but some of his races particulary in 97 were very credible and Spain 96 as well when everyone else crashed he kept his head

[@SuperG3X]

how much is the image gonna cost ya?

[@kevinprior3549]

Roberto Moreno was Diniz's teammate in 1995.

[@carlosmoyna62]

It's interesting to point out that Pedro's dad and uncle were racing drivers too

[@chrisdunderdale]

A big vidoe

[@rexmedorum]

Everybody's favoritw pay driver in 90s management games 😂

[@TheSlothNerd64]

Also looking back at 1997, if Damon didn't get that 2nd in Hungary and scored no points, Dinz would have beaten Damon in points.

[@simontravers2715]

Because I didn’t properly watch football until 2004-05 & played F1 World GP on N64 in 90s, when I was watching the 2002 World Cup 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿vs🇧🇷 at Primary School b4 classes started, I thought *Oh Brazil, Pedro Diniz is from there* because his name appeared in order b4 Barrichello, plus cars were equal on that game while at the same time I wasn’t watching F1 in real life, not knowing Barrichello was the much better Brazilian

[@AidanMillward]

@@simontravers2715 I watched that Brazil’s England game too. That second goal still hurts. Still- could be worse, could have gone round thinking we were going to win it and then get pumped 7-1 by Germany

[@simontravers2715]

HA yeah on home soil too! 🤣🤣

[@ZGtx]

No one here realistically thought we would win it, but 7x1 was a bit disconcerting. I also remember that game in 2002.

[@simontravers2715]

Definitely. Changing subject back to F1 World GP (N64) I do recommend listening to the OST for that game 🎸 🔥 especially the menu, track overview & finishing 7th-22nd

[@MrBlazemaster525]

Bob Brown mention HURRAH

[@Tacko14]

15:13 Wait, who? Shinji Nakano? I have no recollection whatsoever, but the name sounds familiar when I try to say it out loud. Just a hint :)

[@alanolivera_]

GET IN THE LIGIER SHINJI!

[@Ayn_Rando]

That’s what I am talking about!!!!!!! Aidan, I think you underestimated his father’s fortune by a few billion. Abilio Diniz Sr. Was top 5 wealthiest in Brazil. I met Pedro a couple of times and he was a lovely chap. For somebody so rich, he was humble and really dedicated to having a meaningful racing career.

[@ZGtx]

Wasn't he the richest at a time?

[@Ayn_Rando]

@ pretty close. Antonio Herminio de Moraes was the richest forever. Jorge Paulo Lemann caught up. But he was worth more than $4B

[@oliverparrish5470]

Atleast unlike some pay drivers given the seats and time diniz was racing he was probably actually relatively deserving of the drives he got like he wasn't ever so far off his team mates pace it was laughable at times if anything he was close to competitive with them and he never got put into a car he didn't deserve to drive.

[@jamessteel9016]

Diniz in the oven, his most famous moment.

[@JohnSmithShields]

Just like Jos.

[@Captain-Cardboard]

This is the comment I was looking for.

[@areasquirrel]

8 down, 15 to go for my first season. Maybe 14, because there's surely no reason to do The Michael. I drove a kart for the first time at 23. Puts it in perspective. There's a joke in there somewhere about your plane or boat taking a wrong turn, and you see a mountain called Sugar Loaf... and you've landed in Ireland. Peter Dennis from Bray, whose father ran Superquinn.

[@patrickcrean7813]

I’d have Diniz in my car any day over Lance Stroll!

[@tristanwhite3472]

Yes True.

[@kevinprior3549]

Hill broke down after turn 2 on the warm up lap in Australia 1997.

[@michiadams]

You could've at least called Bob Rob, considering his actual name is Roberto something something🤔😂

[@Cal900]

The supermarkets actually have the feel of a British Waitrose…. 😊

[@Durbanite2010]

Diniz is one of those "What If..." stories. He always seemed to be in the wrong car at the wrong time, as well as getting into F1 2-3 years too late. Those 2 years with Sauber were some of the worst Sauber has had in terms of reliability and pace (C18 specifically), before that was Ligier in their death throes and an underfunded Arrows with the worst reliability. If he had stayed in F1, his money might have really helped Jordan - 2001's EJ11 was a quick qualifying car but lacked race pace with Trulli - Diniz might've been a more mature pair of hands for a race and would definitely have been faster than Zonta, their test and reserve driver. Trulli could be very quick over a lap, but his race pace was always off for his whole career. Diniz was also only 30 when he left F1, so he still had some years left in my opinion.

[@kylemcneal7856]

How much would it cost for "THE" picture?

[@SergioPaiva56]

I did not undrrstand the "Rob" comment, because although de did not do good in F1, Roberto Moreno was a very good driver, F.3000 champion ina team of 3 or 4 people and no money, and that incredible qualification for the Monaco GP with one the worst F.1 ae ever

[@AidanMillward]

Because he kept turning up in the early days and he became a forced meme.

[@tristanwhite3472]

@@AidanMillward Thanks.

[@danilomancini]

That's good, we not gonna hurt you.

[@chrisclee6693]

Lance Stroll wishes he was as good as Pedro Diniz

[@AidanMillward]

@@chrisclee6693 stroll has podiums and a pole position 💁🏻‍♂️

[@chrisclee6693]

@AidanMillward I never said Stroll didn't have his moments. Diniz in a reliable car and with the modern point system decimates Stroll for me.

[@caphowdy666]

I think when people use the term "pay driver" it is only against pay drivers who do not really deserve their seats, and ignore the fact that some really good drivers are also pay drivers. It's become an insult term, that could be aimed at actual decent to great drivers if you fully apply it. We all know Perez is essentially a pay driver. but people forget that. Lauda is probably the most well known and successful pay driver. Diniz was never brilliant, but he was nowhere near as bad as some of the people who made it into F1 who really did not deserve to be there. The new insult to F1 drivers though is going to be nepo driver 🤣

[@AidanMillward]

@@caphowdy666 Schumacher was a pay driver. So was Alonso.

[@caphowdy666]

@@AidanMillward exactly

[@AidanMillward]

@ But it's okay cos they won stuff innit.

[@caphowdy666]

@@AidanMillward Indeed. It's like people that complain about pay drivers in the BTCC not realising that they are all essentially pay drivers.

[@AidanMillward]

@@caphowdy666 Turkington works for BMW so I think he might be the only one not paying 🤣

[@spudgun1978]

Gosh darn it Aidan, It's a Portuguese accent you need, not a Spanish one. 🤣

[@AidanMillward]

@@spudgun1978 gcse Portuguese wasn’t offered at my school 😪

[@tristanwhite3472]

@@AidanMillward Thankyou for this.

[@tristanwhite3472]

@@AidanMillwardThanks

[@gmay8493]

The whole love/hate relationship F1 fans have historically had with pay drivers vs talent is something I’ve always found interesting. There’s always been some tolerance of pay drivers as they have helped keep struggling teams afloat, so long as they’re at least talented enough not to make a complete tit of themselves and the team. Compare Diniz with someone like Ricardo Rosset (widely regarded as one of the worst F1 drivers of the 90s and one of the worst pay drivers ever) and he looks like bloody Schumacher. However, Rosset actually had a bit of success in junior formulas and on paper pre-F1 looked like a much better driver than Diniz. Yet, he just never took to F1 for whatever reason. Diniz seemed to manage the F1 environment way better and just goes to show how (for pay drivers at least) money + being consistently average is the key to holding down a drive for a number of seasons above all else.

[@gerryellis3847]

British F3 included Martin Donnelly

[@CDeuce152]

We know it's Bob.

[@MichaelGloverMusic]

Bob.

[@AidanMillward]

Bob.

[@fuller9x]

Bob! He who shall not be named

[@fuller9x]

@@AidanMillward I believe Bob! won two races in something called CART 😀

[@matzemunz2827]

Nobody: Rowan Atkinson: Bob Everyone: ROFLCOPTER

[@MichaelGloverMusic]

@ tbh thats exactly what was in my head when i wrote it hahahahhaa

[@EndlessEnigmaPart3]

If I had a nickel for every 90s pay driver I've heard of whose family was involved in a kidnapping incident, I'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice

[@kevinprior3549]

Like Zhou, Diniz was pretty good for a pay driver.

[@AntoniusTyas]

"Very underpowered Ford ED with so little power Minardi paid Magnetti Marelli to do something about it" Is ED here stands for Erectile Dysfunction...? Also who is this Bobby Brown guy that drove alongside Pedro Diniz in Forti Corse...?

[@nanookrubsit]

lol

[@ruarimacallister1]

They speak Portuguese not Spanish in Brazil

[@Bassdriver]

Didro Peniz XD

[@huwgrossmith9555]

Not Spanish, Portugese

[@stevolarry420stevenslozz3]

So wen u gonna make this spider diagram then @Aidan Millward? 👍😎

[@AidanMillward]

@@stevolarry420stevenslozz3 shrug.