Ailee (Current) vs Lee Sunhee 이선희 Vocal Battle | Vocal Divas

[@SoulVelvet]

One of these ladies is allegedly Good to Great and the other allegedly Above Average.

[@melaniaarce8226]

I believe Ailee was in her prime but yeah calling Lee sun hee above average is crazy 😅

[@Taeyeon89]

@@melaniaarce8226Even at her prime, her being rated that high was debatable

[@winterretniw]

Ailee is lower Good at her prime IMO

[@SoulVelvet]

​​​​@@Taeyeon89 Definetly debatable, even in her prime she should have never been equal to Son Seungyeon in ranking. Her prime was pretty short lived, 2012-2014 was the peak of her belt strength and vowel shaping. Her best D5 is even from her debut in 2012 (Heaven Studio D5). After 2015 the whininess started getting lower and lower in her range and the coordination gradually got lighter too. At the very least she hasnt been Good to Great for many years (if she was ever that high).

[@NickiandOlivia]

Funny how LSH was downgraded for being pushy when Ailee pushes way more lol.

[@Douchifer]

0:28 never get over this crazy Bb4

[@Douchifer]

1:44 this too

[@vocalzens6642]

To me Lee Sunhee sounds better on every note here, she has a way more free and released sound with a clearer tone and purer vowels.

[@BigBigIce]

It's refreshing opening up the comments and reading unbiased feedback about Ailee's current state lol. As others have mentioned, the tension is present even as low as Bb4. No it's not "unsupported", but there was only one B4 that was particularly decent in this video while the rest had something off about them whether it was a minimum small amount of tension, the vowel could have been better, the coordination of breath to muscle wasn't as solid as it could have been, any combination of the above or all of them. It's ridiculous to claim that she's compareable now as she was to her prime. Honestly I would say it's downright disrespectful to Ailee herself and to any claims of alleged validity of the evaluation system for singing to claim Ailee was ever "Good to Great" or is still as high as "P to G". There is no way anyone is litening to the tension as low as where Average level singers can have tension (no I'm not implying Ailee should be demoted to "average", but the issues can be found as low as the average range) and say she is at level with Luna, Hyolyn, Yeonji, Ock Joohyun and Moontak. Honestly, who is saying Ailee in her current state is better than Minhye, Eunji, Nayul or Bada, all of whom do not have the same issues present starting as low as Bb4? Ailee does not have the consistency with bigger singing that she once had either, and her bigger singing throughout her career was limited up to C5. There are considerably more bad C5s now than even decent/passable C5s, let alone proper bigger singing nowadays. Peak Ailee also did not have the correct approach for notes above C#5 and could not sustain them cleanly, only ever after debut sustaining D5s and above with whininess or warped vowels, but the focus for now really should be... is this what people consider a "Good to Great" singer? Tension and whininess as low as Bb4 that has been persisting and getting worse for YEARS at this point? This is the same level as Son Seungyeon? Better than peak Haeri? She sounds tired, out of practice, and unhealthy tbh. She's had lots that she had to deal with in more recent years and I think it would be in her best interest to take time off for herself and recover as much as she needs to recover, come back whenever she feels like she has the space to come back.

[@nuggies5074]

my my~ y'all have been busy~ Finally got to establishing LSH is more than AA/AA-P I see~

[@bigmamafan1773]

a lot happened 😂 miss you ❣️

[@eddyjacx5622]

Hi bestie 🥹🥹

[@NickiandOlivia]

Ailee's vocal decline is REAL. During her debut era, her voice used to be a lot more coordinated and her issues with vowel shaping were pretty much reduced. Even though I do think she was a bit overestimated by kva, it's such a shame that she has regressed that much. I miss her old approach😭

[@jinji4609]

Tbh she was underrated during debut era, I think she was given only A3-Eb5-B5 at that time although most of her strong note was in 2012-2014

[@SoulVelvet]

@@jinji4609 Her debut era is definetly her peak, I have no idea who started the idea she improved after debut. Everything was better and less problematic, I think Heaven was the first song she released and the sustained D5 was a proper open belt and is the best D5 shes ever done (and even the E5 is way less constricted than later years). 2:32 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qF7InWuVaJqZi5osi=6PZPzIqOdJIZcwID

[@SoulVelvet]

@@jinji4609 Ailee's fan channel has an evolution of Ailee belts vid from 2012-2022 and its basically a decade long regression vid after 2014 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZqyqpuDm9marKssi=L2HhyUbjgGyiNxme

[@taliaboutique1761]

Her resonance up to C5 was amazing but now she can get stuck and rough and Bb4/B4

[@taliaboutique1761]

​@@jinji4609I don't think she even deserve Eb5 during her prime she tend to sound really pushed above C#5 at her best but she did have good moments

[@RinSakuragi1]

Recent Ailee sounds tragic compared to LSH

[@jinji4609]

I'm waiting for your voice type update, IMO Sunhee is a better example of High Soprano than somebody like Regine Velasquez

[@iiviiimitski]

Leesunhee was a sopranino in the 80s-90s and then got lowered to a high soprano, even then, she has still higher voice than Regine, also they have different approach in belting so I don't see why would you compare them

[@jinji4609]

@@iiviiimitski well the difference is Regine has weaker vowel, smaller middle belt & chest development when you compare her to Sunhee, although Sunhee's voice is lighter

[@iiviiimitski]

@@jinji4609 yeah but that's not really a way to classify voice type, that's more on technique

[@youngornitier]

@@iiviiimitski copying confusing classifications only Kajivocals uses isn't the way to classify voices either. Using "sopranino" when you're already using high soprano is completely redundant, the singers he calls "sopranino" are the same as high sopranos. Kajivocals literally thinks Jeffrey Lewis is a male soprano when he's clearly a tenor and has gotten numerous opera singer's voice type or fach incorrect, incapable of distinguishing badly trained operatic tenors and calling them "baritones", as well as some very famous spinto tenors as "lyric tenors" just because he isn't aware of how to distinguish a brighter spinto tenor from a lyric. If someone cannot even distinguish OPERA singers apart, then they definitely have no business trying to apply it to non-classical singers, which is why his videos on gospel singers especially are full of inaccuracies. Half or more of the people he calls "baritones" are just tenors and the "mezzos" are just low sopranos. Not to mention him claiming that this or that soprano "became a mezzo" or a tenor "became a baritone" after a certain age isn't even something that can be said to happen in 99.99% of cases, especially when those singers are evidently still sopranos and tenors even in their old age (just much worse in skill and vocal health). He even recently said Faouzia is a "heavy soprano that will likely become mezzo in the future", and Faouzia is not a heavy voice nor is she ever going to become a mezzo 😐

[@iiviiimitski]

@@youngornitier so much words yet made no sense

[@hoangnguyen-po3hc]

What is the song at 4:08

[@HaziqHaiqal-cm6cx]

what are my vocal tier my vocal range D3-G#4🥺🥺🥺 VOCAL TYPE TENOR

[@winterretniw]

SS

[@taliaboutique1761]

0:24 you can still hear a bit of her pushing

[@TheCharmedOne-dy2um]

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[@CR-ug3be]

What is their current tier?

[@SoulVelvet]

Lee Sunhee in prime was P/G or low Good, shes 59yo now so she's not in prime anymore but in recent years shes still outsinging AAs even in old age. Her cover of I will go to you like the first snow had nice open C5s: 2:43 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYDQhKythNpoq7Msi=NOjkCvF3qZ1NInEv Ailee is debatable, a lot of people have moved her into P/G but even that's questionable. Since 2022 even on Bb4/B4 she can have tension and the fifth octave is very distorted and pushed, distorted to the point its hard to tell what words shes singing above C5. Her coordination as a whole is less impressive and all her old issues got way worse. The P-Gs are all above current Ailee in belting imo. P-G is hard to justify when her fifth octave is a mess and even Bb4/B4 show issues. She sounds very out of place in P-G next to vocalists like Ock Joohyun, Yeonji etc.

[@winterretniw]

@@SoulVelvet Hmm do u think Ailee is a Proficient at most now? I mean Nayul Eb5/E5 (just like Ailee now) but she is a high Proficient bcs of her lightness in Eb5/E5 (but her effortless support here > Ailee), and below Eb5, she is doing so gooddd.

[@winterlong7953]

​@@winterretniwAilee now only has B4 even her fourth octave can be rough these days

[@winterlong7953]

​@@SoulVelvetprime sunhee being only proficient to good is unjust tbh

[@winterretniw]

@@winterlong7953 She still supports up to Eb5/E5 nowadays

[@AnimeMovement]

No disrespect to Ailee, but she’s not on LSH’s level in terms of development, coordination, dynamics, or really any element of singing. LSH is a different class than any Kpop idol. People class them together because Ailee also uses “chest,” but they’re not really all that much alike. LSH is more comparable to singers like Whitney and Barbra than she is to these light/constricted, tonally imbalanced pop singers.

[@NickiandOlivia]

You really consider her to be comparable to Barbra...?

[@AnimeMovement]

@@NickiandOlivia Barbra was better, especially in her youth, but LSH’s overall development and strength in the belting range are much closer to Barbra than the Kpop singers she’s routinely compared to.

[@NickiandOlivia]

@@AnimeMovement You think Barbra was ever better than LSH... interesting

[@AnimeMovement]

@@NickiandOlivia There’s a stark difference between Barbra and the belters who proceeded her (Judy Garland, Ethel Merman, Kate Smith), but Barbra still had great control over her range. Even when she got lighter in her later years, she still had uncanny dynamic control. She was also a huge role model for LSH, and you can hear elements of her singing in her voice.

[@NickiandOlivia]

@@AnimeMovement Barbra was never an exceptional belter, never in her entire career. Her dynamics are indeed incredible, but she is pretty overrated as a vocalist. Her belts never had the coordination or the roundness LSH has.

[@rarevisionog]

Ailee is good compared to your amateur singer, beginner singer, most "musician first"- secondary singers but in professional domain of vocalists she's just decent.

[@bigmamafan1773]

Huh

[@KittyTsundere]

The KVA tiers were based on professional vocalists though…

[@taliaboutique1761]

​@@bigmamafan1773 What made you confused?

[@taliaboutique1761]

​@@KittyTsundere oh but people use kva to analyze vocalists like nayeon, Gayoon, Gyuri, (weak vocalists) for ex

[@KittyTsundere]

@@taliaboutique1761 To be fair, the names you mentioned are main/lead vocalists of their group, so singing is one of their primary, if not exactly primary duties…but as their ranking (weak/weak-average) indicates, they’re not good professional vocalists and outside of KPOP (or even pop in general), in the vocalist realm, they would not be qualified enough for professional vocalist jobs. In their generation, outside of their stans, they were not really discussed that much or rarely as vocalists in the vocal community (they were never considered good vocalists anyways)….it just happens that the bar for vocalists nowadays is lowered so much that they’re considered as “decent” KPOP idol vocalists nowadays.

[@ericly6482]

Is Ailee realling declining as of current? 😢😭

[@SoulVelvet]

She's been declining for many years since her peak in 2012-2014. In 2024 it seems to be continuing. Rough moments in Bb4-C5 like are becoming more common like 1:19 in kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKOXd6eVm66hm8Usi=hM1BzKgfj5N5c90m

[@ericly6482]

@@SoulVelvet thanks for your reply!! Honestly at first, I thought she was opting for a lighter approach by placing her voice in her nose since 2020 ish but now Idk anymore but she really was/is such a great singer and I've been with her since 2012 🙌

[@SoulVelvet]

@@ericly6482 Ailee has definetly gotten lighter but that isnt a good thing - all her old issues got much worse and she got less full (regression in vowels throughout, more tension, more pushing). Ailee's issue was never because she's too chesty, actually her fullness is one of the reasons she was rated high in her prime. Her main issue was always her vowel/throat shaping. Ailee's still young so she can still recover, 35 is not an age where Ailee needs to switch to a lighter approach. She should be in her vocal prime right now and if she rests and gets lessons/practice in the next few years she can improve again.

[@ericly6482]

@@SoulVelvet definitely agree, I think she really does need to rest to let the vocal cords recover

[@winterretniw]

Quote from gui_vocals abt Sunhee: "First of all: who is SoulVelvet???? Second: trust … even with her rough, pushy and throatness moments ? Sunhee is too inconsistent above D5 and u overestimate her for simply having good chest coordination and strong beltings and a rolling vibrato. But she has never produced resonance above D5, she may even have Oks moments above D5 but they are limited. Above D5 it becomes difficult for her to produce diaphragmatic breathing and breath support together for better support. She struggles and her efforts are notable!" LOL

[@SoulVelvet]

Rough pushy and struggles - thats a more accurate description for current Ailee tbh. Idk how Gui can put current Ailee in P-G and penalise LSH when Ailee pushes way more with a way more distorted sound.

[@jinji4609]

Even if she is not consistent above D5 I still put her in High Proficient tier at least with that crazy mid belt

[@NickiandOlivia]

It is true that LSH's coordination is not as refined above D5, but her Eb5s are still way better than those of Lily who often get a pass. LSH is able to sing a clean overdrive belt up to Eb5 with decent control and good breath support, and that's not something easy to achieve at all. Also, let's not pretend as if she's a one trick pony. Her hv is also quite developed, and it's also an area that was overlooked by kva. She actually tries to add some sort of depth up there, and I do hear nice development up to G#5-ish. As much as Ailee is respected as a vocalist, it is evident that her vocal condition is getting worse. Ailee always had problems with curbing and pushing above C#5, but nowadays, these issues are present even as low as Bb4, which is extremely underwhelming. There's just no way someone thinks current Ailee is better than LSH

[@winterlong7953]

​@@jinji4609 she deserves to be higher than high proficient since she outsing Lina, Haeri who are said to be in good tier

[@allykelly]

That fool can't do nothing other than blocking

[@mokcanfly]

Aille (current) is so bad

[@allykelly]

That's not nice

[@橋本_環奈]

not bad

[@lesamton632]

both bad singers

[@winterretniw]

you're bad