Airbrush Fixed? Infinity CR+ Airbrush Trigger Quick Fix!

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Again, PLEASE head over to DRED FX CUSTOM PAINT's channel www.youtube.com/@dredfxcustompaint, and watch his video in which I test here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXTHg5eXnpilZ68

[@deanbrown7643]

He has fixed something which was very annoying now it's perfect ! Watch his latest hes even modified the trigger 😭😭😭 clever dude 👏👏👏

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

yup just saw that one too! hahaa its amazing

[@kenballard3724]

Fantastic! Thank you! I’ve had the same issue and was very disappointed in my airbrush considering the cost. I can’t wait to try this fix. Again, thanks for sharing this!

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

very welcome! Hope this helps !

[@simonfieldhouse]

Thanks for a great video and I watched both Dred and your video and made the adjustments. Great improvement.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

thanks for tuning in!

[@MrFish1968]

Good shout out to Dred FX, I saw it the other day and did it straight after the video.

[@NobleWizard]

You can also get the same effect by using a stiffer spring, like a micron spring. The o rings just add pre-load to the spring. By using a stiffer spring the chuck is forced up against the trigger more increasing the response.

[@Tangente9927]

Hello mate Have you used a spring from an iwata micron to solve the problem? what spring reference did you use? Thank you All the best

[@NobleWizard]

@@Tangente9927 I have used the micron needle spring (ref. Iwata 5701) with good results. In comparison to the sotar 20/20, which is considered the most responsive, the setup I achieved on both the evolution and the infinity is comparable, if not better. Another method is to combine two H&S needle springs. This will allow you to adjust the tension by cutting down one of the springs. If you try this method, first cut the last and first coil off. By doing this it will allow the two springs to combine easier. The trigger response and consistency achieved is excellent. Whilst this will help, it is all about paint consistency and air pressure. I spray at 20psi to keep one factor consistent and adjust the paint. If you think it's thin enough, add another drop or two of thinner. That has helped reduce problems for me.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Any additional fixes are welcome here!

[@kuntibolox]

wouldn't using the spring tension adjuster do the same?

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

@@kuntibolox at first I made the tension on the spring as stiff as possible, and it helped for a little while but ultimately was experiencing the same issue

[@brianv769]

Great video! I discovered his fix last week but have not ordered the seals yet. I use a slightly larger needle size in my H&S Infinity (0.2mm), so not sure if the fix will be as useful for me (and honestly most of my airbrushing is still done with my Grex (0.5mm) for priming and varnishing). However I will say it is great to see someone try the fix that uses the airbrush for models as opposed to art/auto. I am more likely to just try it now. Glad I found your channel! Subscribed!

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

many thanks for viewing! and the kind words, i believe that spring housing has the same diameter but im not entirely sure,, you can always try to machine out more of the teflon seal to make it fit, at the very least you're set back $10

[@charlesyoung8600]

That's ridiculous. For what that cost, the last thing you should be concerned with is inconsistent spray patterns.

[@musoseven8218]

When done, for a few £s, it becomes an airbrush that's half the price of specific IWATAs that works better and is easier to clean than said IWATAs ✌️😉😉💜

[@johnathan133]

I thought I was the only one when I first experienced the lack of responsiveness with my Evolution Cr+. I got sick of it so much that I sold it. Its nice to see solutions coming to light now, but I feel like this problem should have been officially addressed by H&S along time ago..

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

agree 100%

[@musoseven8218]

Great review, good to get the word out, these are superb ABs, perfect with this cheap hack✌️👍😉💜

[@MrFish1968]

H&S should release an official washer of the correct size and length.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

thanks for viewing! also yes, they should also modify the spring assembly straight from the factory contact

[@robertanderson9584]

I found the washers fit perfectly without any need to modify them

[@erenlee5151]

@@robertanderson9584 I just ordered what I thought were the right ones and they're way off, would you mind pointing me to the ones you got?

[@Custer0706]

@@erenlee5151t‘s H&S part number 123180. It‘s the teflon washer sealing off the nozzle against the main housing. This particular washer should also be in the general washer sets for each model

[@mikebalis9963]

Really helpful fix on the H&S! Thanks.

[@Dude_Slick]

It's not just the CR+ The original Infinity suffers this issue as well.

[@alpine7487]

I'm surprised because I don't have these problems. my airbrush works well

[@Tangente9927]

Would it be good then to use both solutions at the same time, or would only the spring be enough?

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

I haven't tried the spring fix so its not really fair for me to say. As assumptions go, it cant hurt!

[@Alfredo.Barros]

Even with this fix, the trigger response is not smooth. Its super inconsistent, sometimes it works like it should and sometimes I need to pull the trigger way back, more than it should for a detail airbrush. I got this a couple of years ago and this issue was always there. I also got the Evolution Silverline and damn... that trigger was absolute garbage (I even changed it two times but it was just terrible) I really don't know what happened with H&S so now I just stick to Iwata and GSI Creos Airbrushes. I'm just going to sell my Infinity, it's a beautiful tool and when it works, it works amazing but the inconsistency it's way too much for me. I think the best is just to get a GSI Creos PS-771 or just a Custom Micron.

[@n13320]

My GSI Creos PS-771 nozzle snapped at the thread...I'm experiencing finding a replacement nozzle is actually a little difficult, worth considering with the PS-771 (which is hands down so much better than my infinity)

[@imrozgill9711]

mate i feel you .. i spent 400 aud on it and its so annoying

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

yes! definitely an annoyance to say the least lol

[@DNozz777]

dang.. was thinking about upgrading my master g444 set to this guy.. I'm having second thoughts.. My $50 brush paints more constant.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Honestly this is still a solid airbrush! for me this issue really only came up after about 2 years of use, after this fix its even better, but i totally understand the hesitation

[@gregory6488]

Can't believe H&S engineering didn't caught this?

[@nikoladze77]

Good question! Probably a high cost of production reduced resources for quality assurance. If Boeing can do that why HS would be an exception.

[@AeroWB]

The "fix" gets rid of the deadzone in the trigger so it more closely resembles an Iwata. But in itself the deadzone is not an issue and most people can work fine with it. The removal of the deadzone makes it feel more responsive but the brush will give the same paint results. For people like Dread FX who uses his Iwata custom micro very often the Infinity feels unresponsive and with the fix it is easier to switch between those brushes. I have modded my Infinity with this "fix" and I like it a bit better, but, as I don't have another brush thats more responsive I don't think its that big of a deal

[@AuMaDa64]

Ho guardato ora il 19/12/2023, il mio Infinity CR-Plus comprato nell'anno 2019 e questo problema di ritardo non c'è, ( sono un pignolo ), o è solo un pezzo o partita di pezzi stampati male, capita, e nel mentre, spero per tutti, che hanno risolto questo increscioso problema, se fatto, Bravi,

[@bobwil9903]

No issues here! Great airbrush. I think you have to work on your spraying technique!

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Lol, I mean admittedly I say in the video that I’m not the greatest airbrush artist. Also I remind you that MANY others experience this same issue, including DredFX (whose video I reference, and method I reference) [DredFX by the way has phenomenal airbrush skills] thanks for commenting!

[@musoseven8218]

It is much better when tweaked, takes it from a 90 percenter to 100 percenter, better than an expensive Iwata at twice the price, better atomisation too✌️😉💜 It's a known issue that H&S should address across the range🤔🤔 BUT it's a cheap fix✌️👍😉💜

[@TrippyyTreyyy]

i just recently purchased this air brush is this still necessary or did they fix it ?

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

I am not too sure, sorry!

[@AeroWB]

As this is not fix but more a change in feel of the responsiveness of the trigger, H&S doesn't need to fix anything. What this modification does is remove some deadzone from the trigger so it becomes more responsive and more closely resembles the feel of an Iwata. There is nothing wrong with a stock Infinity, but If you switch between Iwata and H&S often (as Dread FX does) it is great as they now work more alike. If you only work with H&S brushes you wont see a big improvement with the mod, it feels just a bit different now. So to answer your question, no H&S does not pre-mod their Infinities (and evolutions for that matter as those are the same and can be modded with the same mod) The new 2024 Evolution is almost completely redesigned and the new design has removed this deadzone. A new Infinity is in the works and we should see it launch this year and that will most likely also be more responsive as that is the preference of most pro painters.

[@hobbithubby5076]

I’m having an issue where I have to pull the trigger nearly all the way back before paint starts coming out. Even if I have just water in the brush this happens. Any idea what’s going on?

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Hey! Could be a partially clogged nozzle, poor air delivery to the airbrush head, or you may just need to thin your paint a little more to compensate for the 0.15mm needle! Best way to go about this is to disassemble the airbrush, deep clean it and try again!

[@hobbithubby5076]

@ that was my first thought as well, so I did a thorough deep cleaning of the entire airbrush. I still have a huge delay in liquid being sprayed from the brush even when I put water through it. I don’t know what’s wrong. I tried the fix in this video and it made it worse.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

@@hobbithubby5076hmmm, this sounds like it’s leaning towards needle damage - try spraying water from the airbrush with no needle inserted, if it sprays from a forward trigger position, then it’s the needle, if it doesn’t spray, it’s the nozzle - That’s how I trouble shot my Iwata HP-CS and discovered my needle tip was slightly bent - good luck!!

[@airbrushdungeon]

It's not a CR+ issue, but an Infinity one. I have the original Infinity with the nickle finish, and it sat barely touched because of this. I just had my Iwata HP-C as my workhorse and an Eclipse I never use. When Rob came up with this fix my Infinity became the detail brush it was meant to be when I bought it.

[@bryanswain7450]

Great Video and funny before you told us the fix I thought about using a nylon washer. I would have to measure but a #4 comes to mind. Might be smaller! They make different thicknesses and seems to me it would be harder and a smoother/consistent pull. JMHO

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

any additional/further advice is welcomed, and a big help to the community! thank you!

[@emilcost8613]

It boggles my mind how a company can charge what they do for this airbrush, and have the action much worse than a 40 dollar Master Airbrush. The fix will work fine for awhile, until the spacers start to wear out. I guess no big deal, just change them out every once in a while. It's just amazing to think that a company would ship something like this, knowing that it's basically useless unless your just priming and don't notice the delay in the action.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

I agree, overtime the issue got progressively worse, to my knowledge they also haven't announced or prepared a fix to future CR+'s. Which is worrisome given this known issue.

[@Tangente9927]

@@ArmorStudioNYC I think H&S should come up with a solution for all of us who have the CR+, now in its new version the Infinity Giraldez seems to have solved the problem with a new trigger design. That's why I think they should release a piece that improves the CR+

[@nikoladze77]

WIthout DRED FX workaround we would probably wait years for HS to provide the solution for issue.

[@mdk984]

Can anyone confirm the size of the washers I'm pretty sure I can get the same size for alot cheaper. Thanks for the tip btw i just got this airbrush and its been driving me mad.

[@nikoladze77]

I'm wondering did anyone reported this issue to the H&S customer service and what was the feedback?

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

So if I were in H&S's R&D team id look at this issue and say, is it really worth engineering a new needle body? Honestly the issue is more annoying than anything lol. I think for them to re-engineer a part it needs to be an issue that SEVERLY limits the operation or capabilities of the brush, which it honestly doesnt.

[@SevenStanesMBT]

I did but never got a reply.

[@darkensdiablos]

You ought to move the trigger all the way to the front before you release 😉 I gotta try this fix though 👍

[@Dude_Slick]

Just so everyone knows. That issue is with the original infinity as well. Not just the CR Plus. And the fix works on the original alsol.

[@mikecavell8283]

Not lead but PTFE, which it says on the packet!

[@denisdedyukhin224]

Вы же просто пытаетесь увеличить жёсткость пружины за счёт тефлоновых прокладок. Не проще ли заменить конкретно пружину на более подходящую?

[@siyamakghaffari2949]

Thank you so much for sharing your video but when you fix the problem with this way, you can not using function of Quick fix on back of the Airbrush !? I did Exactly same as you did and when I try using Quick fix, I saw Quick fix function totally not working?!

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

are you talking about the needle stop at the back of the airbrush?

[@siyamakghaffari2949]

@@ArmorStudioNYC yes. I don't no why is not working when I did same as you did ? thank you so much for answer.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

@@siyamakghaffari2949 hmmm, my needle stop is still functional, the trigger should be able to fully reset forward even with the teflon washers in place. im sure youve tried already but make sure the inner body spring, trigger mechanism and guide rods are properly placed

[@siyamakghaffari2949]

@@ArmorStudioNYC Thank you so much for your answer. probably I did some mistake. I will do it again, and I hope is working.

[@Custer0706]

It is correct that the trigger hack will require a new working position for the Quick Fix - the Quick Fix is adjustable. It can be turned several times through its scale before hitting a hard stop. Take the end cap off and turn the disengaged Qick Fix to see ( and feel) what I mean. With the trigger fix in place, screw off the Quick Fix, put on the end cap, and start screwing in the Quick Fix. When hitting the scale arrow with your Six position, engage the Quick Fix and pull the needle back with the trigger, to check if the current position gives you a needle stop already - obviously, on Six and disengaged, the needle should always move to full open position. If it does, turn the scale to Two and check the needle movement for a stop. If no stop, turn the Quick Fix in one full revolution until hitting the Six mark again, and repeat the above exercise with the needle movement check. I guarantee you will find a (new) Quick Fix position where Six will give you full needle movement disengaged and One engaged will restrict it to barely open.

[@herveperottino9084]

pour ceux qui ont ce problème un morceau de tuyaux PTFE bleu imprimante 3D C top.

[@Giziolman]

Gret video.❤

[@joeycruz-hy1ei]

It’s a shame that this brush is so expensive yet comes with a glaring flaw. It’s especially apparent with the .15 needle. My paasche talon has better trigger response. But the HS has better dual action response and trigger feel.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

I will say I noticed this problem over time, so when I first got the airbrush it was a dream. Glaring issue yes, but after this fix i've had zero issue!

[@knightsljx]

for that price, they should take your airbrush back, fix it and send it back for free. not have you order a $10 part. insane

[@Airbrushkid]

First you should be leaving air on and pull trigger back. And air stays on when moving trigger forward. You let off after the needle closes.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

I mention in the video that there is user error lol. Doesn’t change that the needle action is objectively smoother

[@Airbrushkid]

@@ArmorStudioNYC Did you know your link to Dred fx fix, is dead. It seems Dred fx took it down. Because of the new Infinity 2024 doesn’t have this problem.

[@DNozz777]

Does anyone know if they fixed this issue with the Harder & Steenbeck Giraldez Infinity model? I know they kinda redesigned the trigger but not sure this issue was addressed.

[@chia-hungtai3728]

Fixed in Giraldez Infinity.

[@rogergibb705]

Doesn't that fix make it difficult to cut to air only?

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Not at all, to this day I still achieve the same paint flow just more efficiently than before the quick fix

[@hazeform7689]

wow wtf....i bought a H&S evolution silverline 2in1 a few years ago which comes with a .2 and .4 mm needel/nosel. the evolution has basicly the same inside parts. i always had the feeling that something isn't right but i only painted larger surfaces and no details....till last month and the same problems, as you described it, poped out as i tried to paint some details....a horror tip dry...and a more or less uncontrollable spray pattern. and no question that has nothing to do with bad spraying technique ! at detail works where precision is required, the airbrush is uncontrollable

[@hazeform7689]

just to make this clear you are not nuts or you can't controle the brush, using the wrong paint or thinning ratio !! this is an absolut cristal clear engineering problem a construction problem which does not necessarily occur with every airbrush from this lines

[@peterbaker7963]

For a Airbrush that costs as much as an Infinity you should be needing to do any sort of fix to correct an issue.

[@tommacbride3654]

I don't have that problem, mine moves where yours does not. yours has a problem I would sent it back, Cheers!

[@clydelourensz4077]

Just checked mine out, which is about a year old. Definitely doesn't have that "lag" either.

[@nikolajc7617]

Led seals??? its teflon.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Yep realized that mistake after publishing lol

[@nikolajc7617]

@@ArmorStudioNYC 👍

[@funkymoped537]

Massively overrated airbrush. Hated mine. Looks like H&S have finally perfected it with the new release.

[@Airbrushkid]

I've never had that problem.

[@madluper]

Anyone tried it on Evolution?

[@Custer0706]

The inner works of both models are the same, so this should work on the Evo, too

[@madluper]

@@Custer0706 I've tried and it doesn't (3d printed version from thingiverse). Maybe they changed something.

[@davecancel7084]

Excessive talking unnecessary

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

Thank you for commenting and boosting the algorithm! Dont forget to like and subscribe!

[@kencleveland803]

I see you have less than 500 subscribers. I suspect you are not an airbrush artist. I use an evolution cr+ which is the same main body as the infinity and has the same trigger mechanism. It works beautifully. There is no slack in the trigger mechanism and the instant I move the trigger back paint flows through. I have not used the infinity so I can't speak to that but the evolution cr+ which is the same body works great. From the video, it looks like your painting skills are questionable and it seems a little harsh that you're trashing and airbrush manufacturer.

[@ArmorStudioNYC]

thanks for commenting and helping out with the youtube algorithm!

[@kuntibolox]

Mate, Dred FX is critical of this airbrush and his skills are fautless, absolutely awesome, so take your comment over to him if you're that confident in your opinion! I've got this brush and like many, stopped using it for my armour modelling because it was so inconsistent, it would be truly awful for a cheap brush but for a £200 one it's criminal! This fix has been long awaited and got me and no doubt many others using it again because it's how the brush should work from the get-go. Every comment on youtube barr yours is about this issue, in fact it's become synonymous with H&S so IF your brush really is as good as you claim out of the box you're either extremely lucky, not fussed about accuracy or a bulshi**er trying to slate someone trying to help others. Take it to Twitter pal, you'll fit in nicely with all the other patronising experts and self appointed critics. You're not wanted here! BTW, someone with zero subscribers and 3 videos totalling 8 minutes attempting to patronise this guy for any kind of deficiency or failing is 'amusing'.... Do one ya sad sock....

[@johnathan133]

You obviously don't do much detail painting because the problem is indeed present on the evolution. Don't post a crass comment if you don't know what you are talking about..

[@beau1654]

Oh brother, this guy stinks