Aircraft Mechanic Shortage? Haney Technical

[@davidquerry8869]

Being pushed for years that you have to go to college, is catching up to us. There is a drastic shortage of workers all across the trades. I can't count on both hands the amount of people I know that are looking for people, including myself. Motivation and work ethic is non existent today. I have hired several people, and honestly, my only requirement, was an honest effort to try to learn, and try your best. The absolute total lack of interest in anything, is just eye opening and jaw dropping. In ten to twenty years, an experienced tradesman, will earn as much as a family physician, because of the severe shortage of skilled people.

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

It's the lack of pay. I worked in the trades when I first started out on my own and the pay was just abysmal. Everyone wants to hire Mexicans because they'll work for slave wages.

[@davidquerry8869]

@@PistonAvatarGuy In certain areas, and certain trades, this is true. And this is another subject unto itself. But it is not true of all skilled trades, in all areas

[@PistonAvatarGuy]

@@davidquerry8869 Agreed. And the instructor in the video did say that pay for A&Ps is climbing, so that might not be so much of an issue in the future.

[@dave_yeg8596]

The abject stupidity is breathtaking nowadays. Millennials can''t do anything for themselves.

[@ctsteve1967]

where do you have to go for Jobs?

[@fargknob]

I earned my A&P back in 1979..and started flying in 65...now retired..I still miss it, but see the desperate need for both pilots and mechs. I just wish the new breed would get off those damn phones and take a lot around, and see what's really out there. Aviation is still a fantastic field. Wish I could go back 47 yrs and do it all over again. God help us all.

[@choppergirl]

We did, we looked around, and found quadcopters were a whole lot more affordable way to get into the air, even cheaper than paramotors or ultralights or gliders or hang gliding. And no damn rules. No kid out of high school can afford a $40,000 50 year old Cessna 172 spam can deathtrap, let alone the cost to hanger it. Seriously? Seriously? fpv.air-war.org

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[@wadeace2350]

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[@verloaded2564]

I really self sabotaged myself as a kid. I've always had an interest in Airplanes, Helicopters and Aviation in general but didn't even think of pursuing it as a career because in my mind, there was no way someone like me would be smart enough to be successful in it. I am now going to enroll in a Certificate program in Aviation Technology with the goal of becoming an A + P Mechanic or Avionics Mechanic.

[@randallharmsen5802]

Thanks Bryan for the video. Technical fields are facing shortages everywhere. Hands on young people are few and far between. I believe that the seed of knowledge should be planted way earlier like elementary schools! Many high schools lost or have cut like basic shop class out. These are great paying jobs for ones that are willing to get their hands dirty.

[@alanswanson1952]

Heard this back in the early 90's too big shortage that never materialized. Worked full time and got my a&p in 93. Majors were not hiring and general aviation pay next to nothing. Made double the wage as a bricklayer. Granted in money it only cost me a few grand to get my license, and I don't regret it. Learned allot that I have applied to other things. There was about a 50% failure rate back then 50 spots for first two semesters 25 for last two. I have to say we had a nicer shop and planes, a king air 90, cesna t210, commander, avion, A few others. we were the last year to get training in radial engines.

[@winstonsmith6204]

They pay peanuts

[@Bobtree6853]

That trend is starting to happen now. GA still pays peanuts, and the majors are famine or feast. But there are some good opportunities in business and military contracting for aviation.

[@LeftSeatAdventures]

Getting my A&P has been a goal of mine since 2009. Many of the large mission organizations require it in addition to all the pilot ratings. It's pricy enough getting them, then add 2 years of training for that while having to work full time and pay a mortgage... Sadly, it seems that ship has sailed for me. I've even tried volunteering as an apprentice at a shop (which then would take 3 years), but nobody I've met wants to invest the time in someone for that purpose. However, they'll post the same job for 3 years all the while complaining that they can't find anybody. It's sad. Kudos to all of you who can take the plunge becoming a full time student. 👍

[@javajav3004]

Blue Ridge at BRCC Weyers Cave, VA allows for part time student positions

[@winstonsmith6204]

It's been like this for YEARS!!!! The pay have been absolute trash for the knowledge, liabilities, and sacrifice. I am a helicopter mechanic (20 years, twin turbine) owners have been scraping profits off our backs for years. I stopped complaining. . . 2 more months and I'm completely done with aviation maintenance. I'm opening a clothing brand.

[@lifeguardeight742]

40 hours gets you a private pilot license but 1900+ to get the A&P. Interesting.

[@winstonsmith6204]

And the pay is struggle.

[@mojo7618]

What exactly is interesting?

[@MarmosGaming]

@@winstonsmith6204 not sure if you are working at the right place.

[@joshuac2594]

More accurately it'd be 1200-1600 hours flight time to get a decent job, and a similar time for A&Ps, no? 40 hours private is just the bare minimum, not the time most complete their private license.

[@F1MechNoah]

I was the person sitting in the classroom with AirPods in. Here I am today with my A&P!!! Highly recommend this school.

[@verloaded2564]

Congrats man. I am from the Caribbean so it is probably very unlikely that I will be able to attend this school.

[@ExperimentalAircraftChannel]

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[@MrWATCHthisWAY]

Another great in-depth informational video from an instructor in aviation maintenance. Not a school administrator or owner but instructional faculty member. One who can give a clear understanding of aircraft system and how it will apply to their everyday life along with the potential opportunities after completion of their education. Great job, I just wish I was 25 years younger and start all over with these current opportunities available to young people today.

[@KowboyUSA]

Wish I was young again. So many great opportunities these days.

[@kimscheie]

so true friend wish all this was available forty years ago ...just amazing

[@ctsteve1967]

@@kimscheie but you have to follow the jobs.

[@pauly260]

I just wanted to say thank you for making this video. Fun fact; the military has a lot of (really good) aircraft maintainers, but never push them to get A & P’s. I myself was an AH-64 Apache Crew Chief & loved the field. The problem was that the Army pushed doing everything by the book & staying in their specialization instead of pushing them into getting training that would help in the Army & out. We lost a lot of quality future aircraft maintainers that way. I’m going to school soon for A & P. I’m really excited for it. I’m just not looking forward to the possible burnout that may happen due to the shortage. Can’t wait to get into a hangar with a wrench again!

[@Bobtree6853]

Im an A&P that didn't do the military route. But have been working around the military for some years now. Your assessment is correct. Seems like a waste to me.

[@davidquerry8869]

Just saying, 2 months out of high school, took out a school loan, and moved half way across USA, went to Spartan School of Aeronautics. I worked from 10PM to 7AM, and went to school from 8AM to 3:30PM, for a year and a half. Drove a car with almost 200,000 miles on it, and had $20.00 a week for food. Easily 50% of the surviving graduating class, was doing the same thing I was. Different times.

[@choppergirl]

I worked all last year at a Lowes Garden Center, probably made as much as you, and got to sleep every night in my comfy bed with air conditioning and heat on a 10 acre farm. I don't know why anybody would want to sleep in a car without a shower and a microwave. It grinds you down. It's fun to do maybe for a week or two while you traveling, I've done, but I wouldn't want to live as a homeless person. Your windows steam up, you wake up sticky every morning, and you never know what cop is going to bang on your window in the middle of the night and tell you to move on, after rifling through your entire car.

[@450ktm520]

Sound like the 1990's.

[@davidquerry8869]

@@450ktm520 Early 80's

[@kylel7158]

@@davidquerry8869 is Spartan worth it still? I've heard many companies/hangars don't care where you got your license, just that you've obtained it - that tuition cost is high (not as high as many college degrees, but still not cheap)

[@hadisihaddi8677]

@@kylel7158 it seems that most of the a&p school cost minimum of 20k, I am also trying to get in one

[@LeftSeatAdventures]

SMAT in Michigan has an 18 month course, met a few guys from there. If you're headed to the mission field, you can raise support to help offset the cost. (SMAT can also handle the flight portion. MATA in Washington has a similar process for just flight.) Also, I recently heard that University of Alaska- Fairbanks has a 12 month A&P program.

[@dougwebb6193]

Good job, Bryan!

[@av8tor261]

I'm a retired Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (AME), FAA A&P and pilot. I finished my career as a Transport Canada Inspector. There is a shortage of "qualified" mechanics and the reasons are many fold. Money being one. Transport Canada & the FAA can't hire because they don't pay well. I left the automotive industry at the age of 23 to pursue my dreams of aviation. I was making $25.00 per hour fixing cars at the time. After 2 years of college and eating kraft dinner I started working on aircraft for $7.50 per hour as an apprentice AME in shitty conditions, kissing ass. My AME class in 1985 had 47 graduates. 3 had job offers at graduation and I was the only one with a helicopter job offer. I took it. Today I see lots of ads for pilots and especially helicopter pilots and maintenance people. AME's and A&P's can call the shots these days regarding pay and conditions. Take pride in your work and never lower your standards. My advice is study the regulations and learn Quality Assurance (QA) / Safety Management Systems (SMS) inside and out.

[@pauly260]

This needs to be voted to the top.

[@ackack612]

Good stuff, nicely done, you were talking with the right guy.

[@deatz8997]

Great vid, there is most definitely a great need!

[@vincinzo9428]

well done sir

[@aljonliban1271]

The thing is, the industry keep saying that there is a lack of aircraft mechanics yet almost all airlines keep requiring us at least 2 to 5 years of experience. How can we fresh graduates have experience if they don't give us a chance? Give us the opportunity to be part of the industry. Give opportunity to the next generation of mechanics.

[@gocanada9749]

GREAT A&P SCHOOL

[@markzimmermann3441]

Cute little CX-4!

[@Timemachine429]

Companies don’t even call you unless you have military experience in aircraft maintenance

[@RichardWilson-sh3kr]

It is too bad that I live right down the street from Haney Tech, would love to take some classes but the hours offered put them out of reach for those of us with full time jobs.

[@JoeRoscoe_DFW]

FYI, Stanley Black and Decker now owns the Craftsman tool line.

[@geddon436]

Which is owned by dewalt

[@kimscheie]

keep it up guys great career

[@outlawflyer7868]

Very cool school but I didn't see any helicopters. Does this school teach for all aircraft?

[@alanswanson1952]

They must we had one at our school

[@SmittySmithsonite]

Man, I wish I had got into this instead of going to MMI (Motorcycle Mechanics Institute) back in '99. I graduated in early '01, worked in a couple bike shops in the Phoenix area and in the Bay Area of CA, then came back home to MA and went back to factory work, then driving trucks, then coming full circle and working for myself out of my home repairing anything with an engine, from cars and trucks, to weedwhackers, chainsaws, dirt bikes, and motorcycles. Aviation wasn't even a thought to me back then. I always enjoyed watching planes take off and land, but I just never saw myself ever getting into that field. Nobody I knew was into it, and nobody I knew flew, worked on, or owned any aircraft, nor did the friends of my friends. Was like it never existed. I figured you had to be a multi millionaire to get your foot into that world back then. Never realized all the different segments of aviation from jets, to ultra lites. A bit too late for me now to change fields at age 46, but this was an interesting video nonetheless. Reminded me of my time at MMI all those years ago. Any of you guys in your teens, 20's or 30's watching this, if you're thinking about it, DO IT. You'll be MUCH better off than I was! Thanks for the tour, Bryan! 👍🍻

[@knikula]

this looks like great fun, maybe if I was 40 years younger...

[@novembercherry4]

I’d love to know one thing. The school I’m looking at, I thought on the website for my location said they have Avionics. I walked in telling them exactly what I wanted to do and to learn. Found out a few days ago, they don’t have Avionics, just mechanic. The fact that they tried to sneak one past me wasn’t cool. Can I still try for a job in avionics and go to school for maintenance?

[@Bobtree6853]

I did both. I recommend getting both. Find a school with an established avionics program so you do waste your time and money.

[@i.r.wayright1457]

I'm retired after 42 years as an A&P including 15 as an I.A. In my own business I would not hire anyone, just worked for myself. I saw what was coming out of a nearby tech school from the 1990s on and maybe one out of ten A&P grads was worth hiring. If you are a student expecting to be hired, here is what I would look for; be in shape, not 50 pounds or more over weight, don't be hooked on cigarettes (there is no smoking around fuel filled planes), minimal, preferably no tattoos, weird looking hair, etc, and you better be able to pass a drug test. The under 12,500 pound aircraft owner crowd are usually some kind of professionals and dress the part. They are not going to get a great deal of confidence seeing a sloppy looking bum work on their plane. And the neater and cleaner your work area and tool box is, the better that image will carry over. If you want an airline type job where the flying public never sees you, these factors may not matter. Good luck, carry on.

[@Texeyevideo]

You left out smart phones, addiction is real in this day and age.

[@javajav3004]

Sir, I took your advice cleaned up my look before I applied to GA A&P positions. Now I’m hired, well paid, and happy at my job. Thank you for passing this advice along to us younger guys.

[@hedfonesprettythug827]

The hair and tattoos r just your bad judgment and shouldn't matter when it comes to the job. That's just something u don't like. Don't diss ppl for ur personal dislikes . All the other stuff matter but my hair and tattoos got non to do with the job

[@hedfonesprettythug827]

@@javajav3004 he was accurate, except that personal judgment he did about tattoos and hair. That won't matter

[@eduprey1969]

Join the Army or the air force than all you need is a permission slip from the FAA than take the test. You don’t need to spend all that money.

[@ctsteve1967]

Nope, just 6 years

[@eduprey1969]

Greg Plaka sorry guy I went to aviation high school in NYC got my A&P and pilot lic too. Join the army and work on everything the army owns. I went into the Army in 1977. I have a buddy did four years in the Army and got his A&P in les than Eight mos.

[@alanswanson1952]

Often you only come out with an a or a p not both certs

[@phatboizbackyardkustomz9006]

Good stuff

[@stevenflattum156]

Interested in what it costs to go there?

[@tdmmcl1532]

the number one way to get into aviation maintenance and build experience and access to rapid advancement is to work for an commercial wide body MRO. One does not necessarily REQUIRE an A&P to work at these facilities. Many of these MRO's will select high performers and assist them with tuition assistance to an A&P course. The key is to be learning on the job and then working toward your license. The importance of the license is that once type and system trained, qualified and rated, that tech can then be authorized to sign their own work...This is where the higher bracket of salaries are earned in the industry: your signature on your work is priceless! These MRO's are awarded very profitable long term contracts for the carriers, so there is job security. COVID-19 may set this major carriers back for a short term at the moment, but the aircraft must still be maintained in accordance with US regulations (FAR). It has been a cyclical business environment (similar to auto workers and oil industry and tourism), so those pursuing a career have to be aware there will be inevitably some period of the business cycle that slow down. On the other hand, the aircraft repair and maintenance can be full schedule, always one, 24/7, 365. In the last 10 years, I have seen junior level mechanics/techs go from 30,000 - 70,000 gross. And for those really top performers or specialist who have obtained critical skill sets (composite repair, NDT, Avionics, Structural repair, special MOD teams), those figures can often go well over 6 figures. The super performers are always in demand and many of them become contractors...not directly employees of the MRO or carrier, but just in time project team operators. This super performers might travel from location to location several times a year, going from one project to another. The very best top performers will have experience and qualifications for Boeing and Airbus and each major type/variant with flight test experience, and airworthiness ops checks certifications. In addition, there are MRO's that have military contracts and those business operators tend to have some of the highest salaries at entry, mid and senior levels and these companies do not require A&P for level entry positions. There are plenty of opportunities out there. (I do not have much experience in EXP, single engine ICE, LSA, or GA industry) I started long ago as level entry in MRO environment working Airbus 320 birds. Paid very well and the work and overtime was exhausting but well worth the experience. I got an opportunity to path into Avionics. Adding qualifications rapidly as the work required each tech to advance and take on more and more responsibility. In a large MRO, there is sufficient staff, training and senior A&P's to supervise and sign work. Fast forward 20 plus years, I am now a contractor Avionics Tech....working some of the most complex repairs, mods, checks for just about every single Boeing and AIrbus type that flies. Travel is demanding, but the work and schedule is never boring. One main factor in deciding on this career, is NOT the money....but a passion for safe flight....that is the DNA of the best and most respected and highest compensation techs. Every single thing that you do, one is always keenly aware that tens of thousands of people are going to be flying in your aircraft. This is probably the most important trait to understand about this career choice. One has to really be conscientious about even the smallest of details and to pay attention to complacency. MRO's instill these requirements and this is another reason why working at the larger MRO, for entry level is the best way to go. You start your career around the best people who have safety first mindsets, really helps you learn what this business is about. Safety.

[@hadisihaddi8677]

U seem to know a lot about this and u had lots of experiences, is there a way I can contact u so I can know more, this field is the only one that interests me and I am about to finish high school. Thank you

[@hadisihaddi8677]

Ty

[@tdmmcl1532]

@@hadisihaddi8677 best thing to do is begin contacting employers..write up a good cover letter and resume. get in touch with the human resources office, telephone number and email. then start sending your applications. for entry level work with no prior experience you will want to go directly with the maintenance repair and overhaul businesses. there are many of these repair stations...across the two broad types of aviation: general and commercial. typically you will have more dependable experience with the commercial MRO businesses. that's really what you want from your first few years: tons of experience and a variety of skills in as many aspects of aviation maintenance. I don't have a preference nor would 8 recommend a MRO over another simply because they all tend to have about.the same experience exposure for an entry level workman. so best thing... google MRO. then starting sending out those resumes...most will have a website portal where you can apply online. from experience, I will say your chances go up of you talk to someone in person, or know someone who already works there. make sure you have a list of good references, phone numbers and email ..because these MRO operations will be contacting people that know you. main thing...and this is advise I was given long ago: make an honest 40 hours a week finding your job. if you are persistent, something will happen. . don't get in a rut. if you need to take a job in the meantime, set aside as much of your spare time continuing to apply for aviation work...talk to people who do the work, build relationships... make those phone calls and send those emails. good luck and be safe!👍

[@hadisihaddi8677]

@@tdmmcl1532 are u saying that i could start applying right now? What about getting an A&p license and going to school, and I don’t know if I understand this completely but u were saying u should start with MRO because they give the most experience, I was thinking of smaller planes would be an easy start

[@tdmmcl1532]

@@hadisihaddi8677 yes... apply now. a&p is 2 years.. you can work and also go to school same time. refer back to my earlier posts ...I explain it clearly. yes "small" general aviation is typically more simple..but realize that learning first on the commercial big aircraft will give you the most experience across many different systems...and you will have training and support in house where finding that same depth of support with the smaller outfits is barely existent. so go big! you will not regret it you can always move to general later with license AND a ton of demonstrated experience and skills. good luck

[@bobmirror7164]

The big tool boxes are a joke when you are working way up on the tail of a big airplane. I keep all of my tools in 16 -inch plastic hand boxes. Nothing worse that having to take a elevator ride (man lift) to go get a tool in that big roll-a-way box.

[@gabrielleonardoacosta]

Where is the famous shortage you talk so much about, I´m a recently rated A&P, with 12 years of experience in commercial aviation, yet I have not received a single call form anybody that is looking for an A&P... Just telling you my particular situation

[@gabrielleonardoacosta]

And I´m still umployed since covid pandemic started

[@joshowens2219]

Pilot shortage.. Corona Virus, hold my beer watch this.

[@davidquerry8869]

In an effort to try to find a solution. If more schools were to get involved with mikeroweworks.org , would be a help.

[@choppergirl]

We don't want scholarships, we want us to leave your airplanes and hangers and grass strips to us in your will. Not to your family who will sell them off or let them collect dust and leave to fall into disrepair. Or better, before then, or just give us the crap you don't use any more. You know, that Rotax 277 or Chotia 460B sitting in the corner collecting dust :-) air-war.org

[@petet-rex5589]

Currently with this Virus the Pilot hiring and flight school boom may be over. I feel for student who just dropped 100k for there training. This pandemic will send shockwaves through the industry

[@james94582]

I just wish there was easier way to utilize those of us who have obtained experience and expertise on a multitude of different airframe via militsry training... Then could kill a few birds with one stone, lower the missing mechanics in GA and lower the amount of veterans looking for a job (career)!!..

[@felixcat9318]

The phrase "killing two/a few birds with one stone" just doesn't feel right in the aviation environment!

[@josht8011]

It’s hard to justify being a mechanic when you have all the weight of the world on your shoulders and expected to basically review aircraft with mechanical knowledge and with a lawyers mindset all while making $15-20 an hour. Most people just go work at a McDonald’s for more money and less stress

[@hadisihaddi8677]

But u can make more money as u get experience

[@negan4089]

@@hadisihaddi8677 why would you put in 10 years to make 60 to 80k when you can go to IT and make that with certs? The problem is the pay and the time it takes to get that pay

[@kennethjohnson6223]

reality is training costs a fortune... new corp. pilots get paid peanuts for years. ... military trained is the way to go.... just shave your head live with men for many years

[@sp769]

Ruined by ads and ghey sound effects.

[@choppergirl]

Kiss any job opportunities goodbye. Now that there's a global pandemic plague and all the airlines are shutting down, and airports cutting back staff to suit, you are going to have no shortage any more finding pilots for a while that's for sure. If you're an outsider, you can FORGET about finding an entry level job in the aviation business. Just forget it. Ain't going to happen. I've been trying for years when there was no epidemic. Unless you got like 1000 hours behind a jet engine and 15 years of pilot experience, nobody will return your call. Bump that. My generation as a whole wants nothing to do with commercial aviation, because (1) there are way too many damn rules, and rules are a toxic work environment to us. We grew up under the thumb of slavery and rules in school for 12-16 years, we want no more of that. (2) it's way too expensive to train and get the flight hours to get in to, and aviation companies will not foot the bill for your training, they want you to pay for it yourself all up front - forget it. (3) it's not that we aren't enthusiastic about aviation, but we've move on to where all the new developments and action is happening - quadcopters are far cheaper to get in to ($800), and far more fun. you don't need a hanger to store a 20x20foot airplane in, or pass any tests, or to trailer your airplane to an airport. you can drive to where you want to go, and be up in the air in minutes. I got my own shop, with three airplane projects in it, and no, nobody gives a shit about hiring me as an aircraft mechanic, not that I would want to be one. Sorry, no past experience, no training. So I'm like fuck it, go work at the Dollar Store where they are hiring. In short, it's the rules, stupid. All your rules and certification requirements drove everybody away. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6OvZKaug8aYga8 CHOPPERGIRL choppergirl.air-war.org fpv.air-war.org

[@r4raced4doom2]

Rules are instituted for safety. 50-60 years ago aviation was a free for all. And many people died because of it. If the rules are keeping you out, good. We dont need or want you. If you have an A&P i urge you to consider surrendering it.

[@choppergirl]

@@r4raced4doom2 Rules are implemented by states to destroy your freedoms and civil liberties. When you trade freedom for safety, you end up with neither. Those that make the rules.... statists governments... are responsible for more aviation related deaths than all the commercial and private aviation combined... through their wars with other states. They even make a blanket exception... we can kill people outright from aircraft, you can not. Thats our rule. So if you want to wag your finger at the right person to get the fuck out of the sky because they are a threat to public safety.. its your own government. As for me, the skies are a commons for everyone to enjoy and use. No threats by hallway monitors can keep me out.

[@r4raced4doom2]

Nevermind. Keep to the skies. With your attitude the problem should sort it self out soon if you fly the homebuilt/part 103 ultralight on your channel. Good luck.

[@DelsquarePhotovideo]

Take this as motivation... Even in these tough time jobs are out there. Trust me, you might have to lose something but in the long run it will payback. Never give up and even when you get what you want, keep looking forward on how to get better...

[@choppergirl]

@@benweiss5539 i'll pass on the rules, because people pervert them from helpful guidelines to make life go smoother and people to get along... into absolutes. Once a rule calcufues and solidifies into an absolute like that, it becomes onerous and a strangulatuon of freedom and the self imprisonment of a species. You would not believe how many people oppose freedom and believe or insist rules should become absolute. To them, I plvnge a knlfe into them and sllt their th0at, for they are a dangerous and openly hostile threat to my freedom. Obey no stranger. Do so at your own perll.