DH-112 Venom Cartridge Start and Flyover

[@AirshowStuffVideos]

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[@websitesthatneedanem]

We all jumped!

[@Boeing--ko5ui]

AirshowStuffVideos did you see the c47 crash

[@kpSTI05]

I jumped too! 😂

[@talon0863]

I didn't notice the jump because I jumped too

[@everettwatrous9565]

Iou

[@JuicyFruityify]

Oh, Man, both pilot and aircraft lost one week after this video.... RIP Marty, such a sad loss.

[@robgoodsight6216]

No bloody way!!!!!

[@skunkjobb]

@@robgoodsight6216 Sadly, it is true, see airshowstuff.com/v4/2018/pilot-killed-two-others-injured-when-rare-de-havilland-venom-crashes-on-takeoff-in-wisconsin/

[@robgoodsight6216]

@@skunkjobb Thank you!

[@davecrupel2817]

Oh wtf :( What a tragedy. Condolences to his family and friends.

[@xb1t2mm3ujf2]

I wanted to write that the plane looks danger and unstable, after watching this video, and ...

[@richardarnold3812]

Fascinating that ex RAF personnel could hear a rough running jet. Stunning 1950s concept and design, one of Hatfields finest.

[@mattdamonjr]

thank you Marty.for showing me this beautiful plane. RIP brother

[@ToddHofer]

I used to work for Marty a few years back. His father, Larry, is a pilot also. Marty was an awesome guy and, a pleasure to work with. A lot of us truly miss him.

[@dustinmartin8986]

Very sorry to hear of the loss of Marty and these beautiful vintage fighter, RIP blue skies sir.

[@michaelkeller5008]

I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your pilot. I remember the time Venoms (and Vampire-Trainers, together with Mirage 3 S/RS and the occasional F5) flew over our school (below a "training-corridor") back in the 1980s; the Venom was most impressive due to its shape and engine. (followed by the Mirage 3 with their thundering sound) Miss these old birds. Thanks for this video - it brougth back some memorys! Cheers from Switzerland!

[@alpinebravo1484]

I am sorry to hear that this aircraft and pilot were lost RIP. I served with the RAF for 14 years, and I am familiar with the Venom. In this video I was listening to the aircraft engine as it was taxying , I was thinking that the engine was sounding a bit rough and uneven, I was surprised when it took off and flew when it was sounding so rough when taxying.

[@Beastriderpav]

Centrifugal engines always sounded good, we had an unexpected Vamp visit at Cottesmore incredible sound even at idle.

[@Pearmain2009]

I started to watch the video as I love the sight and sound of the Venom and was enjoying it when I saw about the loss of plane and pilot. So sad to hear of the loss. RIP Sir

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

Yes...as the late test pilot and astronaut John Young said in the late 1990s or early 2000s (regarding the aging Space Shuttle orbiters), old aircraft can have unexpected failure modes that "can bite you in the least expected ways." I doubt if any of their designers and builders ever dreamed that B-25s, P-51s, and early jet fighters would still be flying 70+ years after they were built. Those who own and fly them, including the late and to-be-lamented-and-remembered Marty Tibbitts are, however, aware of the potential risks of flying such old aircraft, and "baby" them accordingly. I must admit to having mixed feelings about seeing them continue to fly, however: Only so many of these aircraft, from those times, are still in existence, and--in addition to the occasional serious and fatal accidents involving them--with each hull loss there is one fewer around. It would be safer, and would preserve the original aircraft, if replicas were built and flown (even duplicate--down to the old-style wiring--replicas, such as the Messerschmitts and/or Focke-Wulfs that have been built and fly, are new aircraft, and thus are not subject to the failure modes of old age). A replica of the German Me-262 jet fighter (powered by modern CJ610 turbojets, housed in detailed duplicate Junkers 004 Jumo engine housings) has also been built and flown.

[@izaak1509]

Was thinking that should be more of a thing, even more so when now motorcylce companies have really started to sell new bikes but with the old school styling. Wonder what the cost is to build a replica of any of the old fighter planes.

[@davem5333]

@@izaak1509 What makes aircraft so expensive is the high number of man hours it takes to design, test, build production lines, train workers and then actually build them. Much of the construction is intricate. And the design, tooling development costs on replicas would be spread out across very few units. And then there is the liability insurance issue .

[@sow4now]

Wisdom. To add, new mapping and production tech will continue to lower soft and hard costs. This history must be intelligently preserved: 1. No production deviations less for flight safety and 2. One grounded but airworthy duplicate for each operating.

[@gangleweed]

Replicas?.........that is like sitting in your car one night with your girlfriend ........in your driveway........ and watching a video on your IPAD........such is progress from the drive in days to the electronic media days.

[@machinech183]

For many of us, including the rare few able to actually fly these, the bigger crime would be letting them sit idle and decrepit. They were never built to be simple showpieces. Revere them certainly, preserve one if you can, but don't decry those willing and able to fly them. Stick a replica on display if you will. Not a single person involved in the operation or maintenance of these aircraft are ignorant of the risks. They, like many, feel it is worth it. Best wishes to all.

[@MKelly-gt6yq]

Rest in Peace Marty Tibbetts.

[@georgeferguson7114]

My Father, twin brother and I were at Strathallan, and touched the DH balsa/ply nose of a Venon. Next to it was a DH98 Mossie recently bought by a young left handed cranker whipper snapper Yank by the the name of Kermit Weeks. The fact that the local farmer had recently ploughed the adjoining runway/field was seemingly no probs for the afore mentioned Kermit. Keep up the good work Kermit.

[@paststeve1]

It looks like a P-38 and a Voodoo had a kid. Beautiful video. Sad to hear of the loss of the pilot and hull. Prayers lifted for his family.

[@lanceortega1]

Beautiful plane. Absolutely classic.

[@BlackCatRedScarf]

0:14 - That's some Dragon Ball sound effects there lol

[@worm3165]

Or a pod racer starting up

[@oldpain7625]

This is the first time I've seen this plane after clicking around Wikipedia. It's absurdly beautiful. Cheers to the designers and engineers, and RIP to those lost. 🕊️ 🇺🇸🇬🇧 It looks like it would be a great ground attack aircraft to this day.

[@PugilistCactus]

I remember first seeing one of these next to a Vampire. Damn are these jets small.

[@fredbosch5392]

The Jewel of the Swiss Air Force, back in the days.

[@mikearneson3108]

Kind of reminds me of Jimmy Stewart starting the Phoenix with shotgun shells in the movie Flight of the Phoenix.

[@terrymercer2379]

I was on Duty Crew in the R.A.A.F. when I witnessed a Canberra cartridge start. It scared the **** out of me the first time I heard it.

[@12345fowler]

Amazing you still find those cartridges...

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

I wonder if, like JATO (Jet-Assisted Take-Off) bottles, starting cartridges--like gun cartridges--can be reloaded? Some piston-engined aircraft (such as the Fairchild C-82 Packet, featured in the 1966 movie [and one or two re-makes] "Flight of the Phoenix") have also used starting cartridges to crank the engine or engines (a shotgun shell-like cartridge without a slug or shot, in the case of the C-82).

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

Oops--I meant 1965 (for the original movie "Flight of the Phoenix," adapted from the 1964 novel by Elleston Trevor).

[@ryansta]

That plane lives up to it's name, sounds fearsome... thanks for posting

[@thomasmcmahan2014]

Looks like the A-10’s exotic cousin. Looks amazing.

[@teksimian]

P-38

[@montana1636]

Looks like a p38 without the props

[@MaelVampire99]

@@montana1636 It flies without props?!? What sorcery is this?

[@Kai-mg1rz]

Its a pretty old jet

[@Carls203]

Cousin of OV 10 Bronco.

[@SingularityMedia]

What a frightening sound. I remember this thing terrifying me as a kid at airshows.

[@Helicopterpilot16]

How tragic. I watched this video the day it was released and thought that it would be a cool reason to go... So sorry to the museums loss of a fellow pilot and friend...

[@rocketaviationart583]

and the C-47 Bluebonnet Bell that went down a day after this one. Thankfully in that case, all 13 on board survived, some uninjured. its been a bad year

[@_____tavicado_____8416]

Not jump just some minor turbulence

[@12345fowler]

Well that's beyond sad. I was going to comment how nice it was to have kept the Swiss flag on it. Now both gone R.I.P

[@j.d.peppmeier9041]

The Venom was a cool little jet ! So sad to learn of its loss with its pilot !

[@taji4553]

May he Rest in Peace.

[@codprawn]

Very sorry to read about this loss. So tragic!

[@Duality306]

RIP good sir....

[@Scotzie69]

When I was a boy, here in Switzerland I saw all this stuff, the smaller Vampire, the Venom and finally of course the Hunter. That was used from the "Patrouille Swiss" formation.

[@gangleweed]

Yes, the good old days......as a late teenager I worked on vampires in 1957 when I was at the South African Airforce Gymnasium in Lyttleton, Pretoria as a sheet metal worker. One day a Vampire piloted by lieutenant Vestere at Zwartkops airdrome did a belly flop at take off when he lost all oil pressure and had to retract the landing gear to bring it to a quick stop......luckily he was not hurt but the plane had serious underbelly damage from skidding along on the grass runway.

[@arielcampagnola1328]

👍👍👍version siguiente del vampire???

[@bh8671]

:17 Oh damn. Didn’t did know they had a diesel plane. 😂

[@b43xoit]

Srsly there were one or two.

[@egustafson]

I mean technically all jet airplanes are diesel. My 12 valve Cummins manual says I can run Jet-A fuel through it no problem.

[@agentjwa]

@@egustafson more appropriately stated, fuel oil.

[@ToxiDJ]

You should see a starfighter fly, they look like they are rolling coal constantly😂

[@Wildstar40]

@@egustafson You can also run it on cooking oil new or filtered used. Smells like French fries.

[@nicholasroberts6954]

Notice on start-up how the cartridge gas took three squirts to fully eject . .and take-off looked underpowered and prolonged, let alone the fluffing sound from the engine whilst taxiying . . Burner can holed or fuel feed partial blockage ? . .take a look at other venom vids.

[@Cult1022]

tell me what you want, that thing still looks cool beyond reason!

[@flybyairplane3528]

At a transportation museum, in SEINSHEIM GERMANY, and there are a DH venom, & a VAMPIRE in SWISS markings, as was the one at OSHKOSH. I was there on SEPT 11 2001, yeah that day..

[@Ender3Me]

RIP MAD Marty. These old planes are full of mystery and could crash at any time, sometimes supernaturally.

[@b43xoit]

Interesting that both jets and piston engines have used cartridge starts.

[@ryanmoeller3308]

That is a very unique startup process!!! Thanks for sharing these amazing video's with us fellow aviation enthusiasts!!

[@flybyairplane3528]

ryan moeller many ENGLISH planes did start up the same way, with a cartridge, rather Smokey though. Remember the CANBERRA, ?, it was brought to USA,,and several changes were made, for use here “known as the B57 US& AUSTRALIA used them in VIETNAM. we used them as photo recon, due to its unique rotary bomb bay..

[@12345fowler]

@@flybyairplane3528 The Hunter too.

[@dazaspc]

@@flybyairplane3528 It was all about being practical no gen sets to drag around when everybody was in a hurry. Very easy to set up another field and very handy for early jets as they had a reliable method of restart in the air. Imagine all the batteries you would need to carry for 5 restarts far better using that capacity for bombs or ammo. The ME262 used a little 2 stroke engine to get started great idea however not so good inflight. Zip start just like a lawnmower. If I remember correctly even the Brits Jet Bombers had a cartridge start fitted.

[@jeffreywright4656]

The Hawker Typhoon and Tempest used Koffman cartridge starters in WW2.

[@scootergrant8683]

Was this aircraft lost forever after the crash or are some of her parts salvageable? Kinda sad given now only 3 are airworthy.

[@Evelyn.Motmag]

Sad end for this pilot and this aircraft .... My most sincere condolences to friends and family ....😞😭

[@thereshopeforhealing]

Here in South Africa we still have Vampires in our Airforce Museum. Can anyone tell me what the difference between the Venom and the Vampire is? Looks awfully similar.

[@edgarkrattiger9185]

Vampires are made of wood and resin reinforced canvas..yesyes..haha..I had the opportunity to sit in one at the flight museum in Switzerland..and the Vampires are made of metal and had 2 external fuel containers at the end of the wings and a more powerfull engine of course..

[@orencio1969]

sad to hear this ..RIP to the pilot

[@101Vodoo]

This plane was lost in a fatal crash on July 20th 2018

[@RST9413]

101Vodoo and is last venom?

[@101Vodoo]

No there are a few other one's. I know of three that are under rebuild to airworthy and there is two that fly in the State's plus a couple in the UK and one Downunder

[@sly2392]

beautiful aircraft.

[@derjoh1986]

The initial startup must have startled the cameraman! Notice how the video shook upon the plane starting up turbine engine. Lol

[@teddy2738]

¿ El Sea Venom era la version NAVALIZADA del Vampire ?

[@afterburner2869]

I love how his crew chief is wearing a wife beater.

[@kurdtcocaine0]

Sharron Clark who beats his own wife with a dildo?

[@afterburner2869]

Kurdt Cocaine Bill Clinton

[@kurdtcocaine0]

AFTERBURNER fair enough

[@gergiobeglorayn4809]

The operator was frightened by the sound of the engine starting

[@molosomari]

0:13 can somebody explain please...

[@pirobot668beta]

AEROTECH, a leading model rocket engine maker, got their start making power cartridges for tooling in the oil-drilling business. Down-hole tools are powered pyrotechnically: the distances from drilling rig to bore-hole end make hydraulic or electrically powered tools impractical. The cartridges burn for about 3-5 seconds, and produce a large volume of gas to run pneumatic tools like drills and wrenches. Not saying these cartridges are AEROTECH, but the technology sure looks similar!

[@gruberjohann800]

Did not know about applications of pyrotechnic propulsions for bore-holes. I own several Venom turbo starters and have sold such cartridges. The turbine wheel turns with up 58000min-1 and is two times reduced with planet gears to 1500min-1. It is a mechanical beauty, producing 125HP and has several other features as centrifuge revolution control, overrun protection, maximum momentum friction clutch.

[@ИоанРодевич]

О-о, эта *этажерка* не только свистит, но и удачно взлетела? Это двигатель паровоза или тепловоза?

[@b-radsadventures6846]

Never even heard of these. What a beauty.

[@jebise1126]

whats with all that smoke at start?

[@tukangbobo]

does it run on diesel?

[@philb3549]

Beautiful. Love a 1950's British jet ❤

[@andiross8898]

Remember rhe cartridge start up from the canberras in the 1950s. R.i.p. marty ,thanks bud.

[@eddiemorrone870]

That plane sounds like an old version of the future. Retro cool.

[@robertzeurunkl8401]

Very cool looking AC. I like that it's small, like an A-37

[@descamm9313]

Always enjoy the older jet aircraft, why, because of the sound, its always nice to see these old warriors of the sky, sadly we will never ever see a lightning fly hear, don't know if they still fly the ones in South Africa, hope they do,!!

[@paststeve1]

This comment is for my digital buddy, Al Go-Rhythm. First time seeing your channel. Liked, subbed and commented.

[@Warbird-Aviation]

what a cool aircraft

[@peterplaneman]

Is the one that was tragically lost today

[@PilotSpOB]

petes place I’m thinking it must be, not many of these birds out there, sad.

[@nasherissantos5801]

why the plane has a 747?

[@KKKK-ij7jt]

Whay the 1st 3m?💔

[@aumarigan]

I live these cartridge startups...

[@crom2626]

Thank you for sharing this.

[@codprawn]

That venom was such an amazing sight. People always say if only the War had lasted a bit longer look what Germany would have had. Well just look at what Britain had towards/just after the end. The Vampire and Venom. The Canberra. The Centurion tank. Not forgetting nuclear weapons of course!

[@triman500]

My father used to look after the engines in Vampire, Venom and Canberra Aircraft for Rolls Royce back in the 1950's when they were sold to the Venezuelan Air Force.

[@EnterpriseXI]

Tragic loss of a rare warbird and pilot. NTSB report states that the most likely cause of the crash was the Venom’s engine suffered a compressor stall as the Venom had taken off in the disturbed airflow of another aircraft taking off before it. The Venom pilot had taken off too soon

[@rozanoff6175]

Why the engineers conceived a startup system with cartridges ?? External compressors didn’t exist at that time 😳😳 ?

[@eatcommies1375]

Got to see this aircraft at air force museum in Kraków Poland, Impressive!

[@j.b422]

Can anyone tell me why there’s Swiss insignias on the plane?

[@darienkoh5840]

The de Havilland Venom was in Swiss service for a few decades before being retired. This might be a surviving example of one that served in the Swiss Air Force still sporting its decals and flying years after its retirement from Swiss service.

[@Malakie]

Any word on what caused the crash yet?

[@supergillou6596]

Mes condoléances à la famille de ce pilote, c'est bien triste. En plus un avion qui venait de chez nous.

[@miolago]

Als Flugzeugmechaniker durfte ich in der RS, bei einer DH 112, 1979 in Payerne das Triebwerk starten. Hat wirklich Spass gemacht. Das Reinigen des Starter-Systems aber weiger.

[@colonelcactus2462]

Can’t wait to see this in a week

[@colonelcactus2462]

Repeat Offender I know. It crashed into a barn. Rip. I was really excited too

[@cristan9582]

But no navigation lights

[@SunnyDaysRFun]

I was thinking that it sure didn't look very stable and then I read that both the plane and the pilot were lost in a fatal crash, so sad.

[@blacklight0304]

was this plane ever in combat if sick lil plane

[@dennisliebig7622]

Beautiful Plane. Being more silent would be perfect.

[@lopezb]

It sounds extremely loud. That guy will definitely damage his hearing even with ear protectors.

[@mjw1955]

Why didn't DH use an electric starter or compressed air?

[@timhancock6626]

Simplicity, reliability, availability. Next question please.

[@mjw1955]

@@timhancock6626 How many starting carts did they carry? The F-4 had them, but only as a backup in case ground air was not available.

[@gruberjohann800]

@@mjw1955 The turbostarters carry 2 cartridges but can also be run with compressed air. I own several of these turbostarters, including cartridges and compressed air alternatives.

[@SR71_Blackbird]

Hopefully I'll see her at Oshkosh.

[@Mikeylikesit1968]

Nope it crashed

[@SR71_Blackbird]

Mike Baltes dang. That's awful.

[@huntermervyn3646]

Rest in honored peace, Marty Edit; Btw I live near the point where the plane went down I saw some rare pictures of the seconds before the crash, my theory is he frogot flaps under the stress of the upcoming air show

[@dllmpb06]

Wrong

[@_____tavicado_____8416]

What’s with the black smoke shot up at begining

[@j.jasonwentworth723]

The video poster's introduction text for this video mentions why. Some jet engines could/can be started using starting cartridges, whose burning high-pressure propellant gases, directed against the turbine, spin up the engine for starting. Starting cartridges permit starting at airfields--particularly forward-base, often temporary military airfields--where regular jet engine starters (high-pressure air sources, some of which use tiny gas turbines themselves) aren't available, and: Some jet airliners (and possibly also turboprop aircraft) also have provision for cartridge starting; in 2010 at Ted Stevens International Airport in Anchorage, Alaska, I once saw a Koreana Air Cargo DC-10 having its engines started using starting cartridges, which produced lots of dark brownish smoke! That airport does have regular jet engine starters, but since it was a very busy day, other planes--particularly passenger jetliners--may have had priority in using them.

[@_____tavicado_____8416]

J. Jason Wentworth oh thank you very much

[@dazaspc]

@@j.jasonwentworth723 Also good for inflight restarts when the batteries are flat.

[@tomwatson9032]

What is a cartridge start?

[@timhancock6626]

Its just like a giant shotgun cartridge that is electrically triggered and the expanding gases rotate the turbine blades to a point where you can introduce fuel and ignite the fuel. Its just an expanding gas kick starter really. The aircraft carries spares so it can operate remotely. I've witnessed a Canberra bomber do a cartridge start from about 60 ft away when I was an air cadet on a visit to RAF Cottesmore in the UK in the late 1960s. It gave us a fright too, but we knew it was coming.

[@AirshowStuffVideos]

Knowing it is coming (as I did) somehow makes it worse :)

[@rackbites]

The landing at 7:07 seemed rough ... it looked like the plane dropped the last few feet. NSTB report on the accident a week later can be found here. app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/ReportGeneratorFile.ashx?EventID=20180720X93110&AKey=1&RType=HTML&IType=FA

[@nostromo2112]

is this the one that crashed

[@nostromo2112]

ok i pulled down description ...so yes it was

[@abecoulter8550]

might want to check the back door for any surprise leavings

[@venomnut3746]

Well done to WHAM and Ultimate Aviation for returning J-1747/N747J to the air.

[@EnterpriseXI]

Sadly this Vampire was destroyed in a deadly crash. Pilot didn't make it.

[@venomnut3746]

Enterprise206 Venom, I know, very tragic. Only a couple airworthy now.

[@pontiacdriver999]

Have they figured out why it crashed? I know it crashed on take off, so I'm guessing the engine failed? That didn't happen too terrible far from me, only about an hour away.

[@jeffreywright4656]

The take off roll seemed to last an exceptionally long time

[@_____tavicado_____8416]

Gotta love the jets from the 50s and 60s

[@coliniancooke8848]

From the 40's actually

[@robgoodsight6216]

@@coliniancooke8848 hahahahah yes....from the Vampire line of crafts...

[@CharlesHuse]

What was great about that era in aviation was that everything was advancing and they experimented with everything. Does this shape fly? What if we put this engine on it instead? That's why very few designs stayed in military service more than a couple of years before something new was introduced.

[@silverfox9303]

@@CharlesHuse The reason for the design was actually quite simple, the early jet engines couldn't tolerate long intakes or tail pipes, the answer in most was two wing mounted engines as in Me 262, Gloster Meteor etc. Using a single engine would result in a short stubby aircraft, Th DH family of jets got round this with the twin boom configuration, giving length and keeping the tail plane above the jet efflux. In their day both the Venom and the Vampire were remarkable aircraft, both types used in land and naval operations, the Sea versions could take off and land on RN carriers

[@DrTWG]

RIP Mr Tibbitts. Love that head on footage at the end - fantastic - the heat haze and those rudders ! The landing looked a bit off or am I being too critical ?

[@Red-rl1xx]

Cool looking plane!

[@ПавелАнисимов-я2м]

раскрутка двигателя пороховым газогенератором?

[@ShuRugal]

cart starts are so friggen cool. i'm sure the maintenance guys hate it, though. Those things are nasty.

[@amax1229]

Is this a scale model airplane? hehe

[@jeffapplewhite5981]

Cool video thanks

[@Beemer917]

Everytime I see a cartridge start I think of Jimmy Stewart,and little Harvey Kreuger (was that his name?) screaming at him.

[@andrewdurant5452]

WOW that's some engine start up i presume.

[@gregj831]

It's a compact little jet that's for sure.

[@chrisnewman7281]

Goblin engine?

[@jeffreywright4656]

No. DH Ghost.