TIGER H1 VS JUMBO (M4A3E2) - Which Will Win? - WAR THUNDER

[@yspear_]

What made this hard for the Tiger is that almost every jumpo have an entire rainforest in front of their mg port

[@Lore_Thunder]

Some tigers had rainforrests over their coupla too

[@ireallycant4416]

you mad? hahaha

[@Hangedman11911]

​@@ireallycant4416imagine defending p2w mechanics

[@Loconevrdies]

@@Lore_Thunderkey word, some tigers.

[@BARelement]

Many jumbos had 0 bushes, many tigers also had bushes… Regardless.

[@shocknaw]

as a tiger i can confirm that shooting the jumobs weakspot was hard because you cant see anything on the tank from the entire rainforest on the front of them

[@wallachia4797]

skill issue

[@thedislikebutton9819]

A major problem for the tigers is that it's weakness is much easier to shoot vs the jumbos. Think of how much you have to expose yourself as a Tiger to shoot a much lower weakpoint, vs the jumbo only has to shoot a weak point all the way at the top of the tiger, visible 360 around it too

[@themerc123]

the tiger can pen the upper front plate right at the bottom of the plate above the transmission if the jumbo's heads up, if the jumbo is angled, you can get through the lower hull. its much more reliable than going for the mg port. you can also hide the cupola by playing defilades and angling the turret. my order of business killing jumbos is too wait until they full bore push, shoot the track, and when they go full side on too you, end them.

[@Nativeat1YT]

Don't show Gaijin this video, they will move Jumbo to 5.7 and Tiger to 5.0 lol.

[@stormy321]

Stop speaking facts 😂

[@daaavie]

Too true man, too true.

[@vivekrangan6759]

You mean 7.3 and 1.0

[@louisgeorge3113]

Tiger is just not made to fight jumbo at close range but against other he make better than jumbo especially against russian

[@maxbennett5412]

@@louisgeorge3113 Grammar? I had no understanding of what you were saying.

[@3dwrecker_4660]

As a Tiger player, my money was on the Jumbos from the start. They're just so hard to kill from the front, their only weakness is the tiny MG port or a lucky hit through the transmission. The Tigers from the front are easy pickings because of their flat armour and wide coupolas. Interesting to see the battles tho. Leo 1 vs leo 2 plz :D

[@Nooob3775]

Why though that’s not how it is in real life

[@theasiangod5860]

@@Nooob3775 pretty sure there are recorded battles irl about the tiger and Jumbo

[@phantomnarwhal164]

Shooting just below the manlet changed my life

[@3dwrecker_4660]

@@phantomnarwhal164 Thanks I'll keep that in mind!

[@user-xh9lz2hj4e]

the tiger 2 was made before the jumbo, yet its 1.4 BR higher. Same vehicle class.

[@a10warthog9]

the tigers definetly could have won if they kept their distance from urban parts of the map and made sure they didnt get flanked

[@bloodreaper8822]

and stopped lunching their smoke

[@a10warthog9]

@@bloodreaper8822 correct

[@臭小狗]

no definitely won't win at any situation, tiger can't pen jumbo front only at machines gun but most of the jumbo use bushes and its too small to aim and cannon is also smaller than tiger but tiger cupola is much easier to aim and it's gun too

[@northwoods988]

@@臭小狗tigers lost because of a team wide skill issue, the mg port is in the same place on every jumbo and is not hard to target.

[@nukesomething5518]

@@northwoods988 volmetric fucks the mg port shot no one ever aims for it

[@MantisshWT]

I loved participating In this… In the last match I was a m4a3e2 jumbo and got 3 kills and three assists. Also, it would been funny if you showed all of the jumbos just drive into the river after the last tiger was killed.

[@ryanbarone8072]

One time I was in the M4/T26 and a tiger 1 penetrated my turret with the over pressure round. I was so confused and had to go through the protection analysis. Only 1 pixel allowed the tiger to pen. That man has some luck.

[@randommanchild112]

Was a lot of fun to be in this video, gg! I was Whoatemyhotdog and it was cool that you used the footage where I went absolutely ham on the cap on Poland

[@cammoore0823]

Most people dont know this but the Jumbos have another major weakspot. In between the side armor and the tracks is about 50 ish mm of armor which is easily penetrated by the tigers. Its why i don't angle in the jumbo, but some players dont seem to take this in effect. It has saved me from many jumbos before

[@jalenwilliams8622]

Wouldn’t that apply to almost every tank in the game tho

[@cammoore0823]

@@jalenwilliams8622 No. Since most tanks have more armor there or make it harder to hit also the shape of an angled jumbo and the shape of an angled tiger are very different

[@shelbylover1359]

Jumbo v Tiger 1 is scary. Jumbo 76 v Tiger 1 is even scarier

[@calvin7981]

It's crazy to see how few tiger players seem to aim for barrels or tracks. I think jumbo players learn pretty early on that their gun is weak compared to an IS-2, Tiger, or Panther and thus aim to disable first before going for the kill. tigers don't often run into something their guns can't pen so players that use them don't play with that same mindset of disabling before going in for the kill.

[@VergilSparda-gz3kl]

As your average idiot German main, I can confirm that I don’t really aim for the main gun. The last time I remember aiming for the cannon is on some medium I ambushed on the point who was only showing me his barrel, and on a t-95 while I was in my Panther F, which I got an assist on. Since German guns on average have great penetration and post-pen damage, those are the only two times I remember aiming for the cannon. Ever.

[@Einheit101]

Good luck aiming for the tiny jumbo gun with the wobbly tiger while the Jumbo comes around the corner with stabilized 23kph, ready to shoot your giant muzzle brake "weakspot". Also the tiger gets constantly uptiered to 6.7 or even 7.0, so it happens quite frequently that it isn't able to do anything except wait for its death coming through the flat 100mm front.

[@aapopesonen2902]

The jumbo 76 is pretty good as a tank, but since it's at 6.3, it sucks. When I tried playing it, I always saw leopard 1 MBTs, which obviously isn't great.

[@jPlanerv2]

yep 6.3 is too high for it most US tanks at br range of 5.0/7.0 are over BRed by at least like 0.5 br , same for germans but other wat around lmao Jagpanther is lower br than jumbo 76

[@DaSteeJ07]

How is an M26 higher BR than a Tiger H,

[@Jubs1204]

​@@DaSteeJ07the m26 absolutely should be at a higher br than a tiger h that tank eats tigers for breakfast i love it

[@3dwrecker_4660]

Well the upside to that is you can pen Leo 1s anywhere in the 76, Leo 1 front plate is paper thin. But obviously the Leo 1 can also pen the 76 anywhere lol.

[@Nativeat1YT]

I think 6.3 is justified, I have been able to get a couple nukes in it and if it were to be at. 6.0 it would be downtiered to 5.0 which would make it OP.

[@mystlcgreatness]

Having played both the tiger h1 and the Sherman jumbo I’ve figured out the tiger h1 has another weakness from the front which is the sides of the frontal armor where their ammo is kept

[@tackyinbention6248]

I always shoot the front corners on the tiger to ammorack them

[@towarzyszbeagle6866]

Should do it against IS-1. The 85 for some reason just claps that MG port, the IS-1 front and sides are really trolly to the 75, and the IS-1 has that sweet reverse speed to make getting at the sides hard.

[@Hovis_Enjoyer]

Imagine if the Tiger team had put all those bushes on their cupolas

[@LogI_Bear]

could you do wheeled vehicles vs tracked?

[@EpicStickmanForever]

I agree that sounds cool

[@clown4038]

Day 2 of requesting kamikaze vs battleships pin this😢

[@aytoad]

yes

[@0._the_proto]

Good luck in this mate! I believe in you

[@nowordscanexplain3902]

One cheeky little spot to shoot a jumbo from the front is the turret neck of you can’t get the mg port the turret neck gets alot off guard

[@jarlivwilmerus8353]

Conqueror vs M103. Tortoise vs Jagdtiger or Ferdinand Tiger II vs T26E1-1. M26 vs IS-2 and IS-2 (1944) Maus vs IS-4M T-34-85 vs Panther Panther vs M4A3 76 (W) M4A3 76 (W) vs T-34-85 T95 vs IS-6 and IS-3 ARL-44 vs Panther

[@desgard]

Jumbo 76 vs Tiger 5.7, and no bushes would be more interesting

[@Einheit101]

Maybe 2 76mm Jumbo vs 10 Tigers and the Tigers maybe have a very small chance.

[@riohervangga3204]

As a tiger player, facing a jumbo is quite challenging, but facing a jumbo with bush attached on his hull its scary

[@sillak5253]

As a Jumbo player I can say that the main weak spots of a jumbo are the machinegun port, cupola (if you have the right round), and the side around the track area.

[@kouldeureus886]

Writing that comment even before watching the video. Of course tigers will lose to jumbos because tigers only have 1 option to kill a jumbo - to shoot it's side. Yes, they also can shoot mg port, but come on on, it's only possible while jumbo is not moving and you are very close to him. While jumbo can easily shoot a commander hatch of the tiger from far away. It would be fair to try tiger E vs jumbo, they at least do not have such a big commander hatch. But still jumbos will easily broke a gun and then flank and kill a tiger.

[@yuki_kenkyo]

Well, im good with the Jumbo winning, actually i knew it, since the cupola on H1 is literally deal breaker for the Tiger.. But try it with E variant where the Jumbo has to rely only on the barrel and tracks

[@LipeBrickStudios]

I’m at 0:41 at the time that I commented. I feel like the jumbos will win but if the tiger players are actually smart, then it’s kinda 50/50

[@jlawsl]

Its a try-hard, play hard skill difference in my opinion. The American players always have to aim, compensate, improvise and think about the way that they can pen their opponents with that 75mm. It is a grind and a struggle bus, but, once you have the armor and the gun, German mains are kind of predictable. They rely on the bounce from things like the 75mm and then depend on the one-hit-kill from the 88mm at that BR. To be honest, its the difference between playing on easy difficulty with an epic weapon and high grade armor to trying to win with a basic weapon and high grade armor. The situation requires more skill and planning on the American side than park, point, shoot on the German side. Aiming skills just have to be higher because otherwise, American players could never get past the German ones. They would always lose against Russian and German heavies.

[@bismarck7232]

This event was fun including when the tiger fell into the river

[@GarryGaz24]

I wonder how this would have gone if the Tiger E was used instead because it has the “better” cupola

[@Gracefulwarrior2124]

Jumbo has apcr and will get through the turret eventually

[@GarryGaz24]

@@Gracefulwarrior2124 Probably not the front of the turret since the tiger has a weird mantlet with variable thickness and is annoying to penetrate

[@Ethan1123Ac]

t45 apcr can pen through both turret and the front hull of the tiger.@@GarryGaz24

[@amuplay2302]

I just started researching the Tiger H1. If this video would have come out like 2 days later, I could've been in it :(

[@5co756]

Well to be fair , a stabilizer and a .50 cal is fcking OP on urban maps . Shoot on the move and brake tracks with 3 hits of a heavy mg is just insane , even some small tank guns need 2 or more hits to brake tracks .

[@Gary_The_Metro]

3 hits of a .50 to break tracks? what kind of drugs are you on?

[@Meister183]

A suggestion for a future video, Land Battleships vs Land Battleships! Can only use: Neubaufahrzeug, T-35, SMK, Independent, Ro-Go, M-3 Lee/Grant

[@wastelander89]

Loved this war thunder content most fun video I ever seen on war thunder

[@dartherod5056]

maybe do a jumbo 76w and panther A/G/D both can pen each other

[@shelbylover1359]

Jumbo 76 can pen cupola and mantlet, but even the mantlet is hard to pen bc volumetric armor

[@Keep3r1438]

Panther armor is too broken

[@feuerbohne3179]

I've done a 1v1 against a panther a before because he didnt beleave me that a jumbo will annihilate anything up until 5.7... jumbo is just op. apcr can easily pen the panthers turret aswell

[@Einheit101]

Jumbo 76 is definitely better than Panther.

[@HDOuss]

The Tiger H1 cannot fight a jumbo at long distance. Idk why people keep saying that german mains are noobs while tiger h1 has a lot of weak spots then jumbo

[@keith91z28]

Even though this was a 5.3 vs 5.3 I wish we would have seen the jumbo vs the tiger e instead with the mini cupola

[@mehniko1777]

That would be an ez win for tigers

[@Tyrannosaurusstudios]

hi thunder with muffin well you do a story line for war thunder like with blitz

[@wolfcommando8467]

Unlucky tiger player to jumbo player after getting shot in the cupola: You killed the Turret crew? Jumbo player: Not just the turret crew, but the fuel and ammunition too.

[@ShInYaKu88]

Less smoke, more kills

[@joeln6871]

I tend to usually hit the cupolas on tigers when they have bushes on it just because it’s such a big target.

[@wastelander89]

Great video this is awesome. Can we try jumbos vs a mix of tigers and tiger 2?

[@TheTISEOMan]

The Jumbos without the smoke make me cringe. Just saturating the field with smoke gets rid of the Tiger's main advantage and forces them to either advance or wait, either way would be an advantage for the jumbo. Instead, I see one or two launches of smoke and then everyone is afraid of moving up

[@rasmusjonsson1348]

I think the cupola on the Tiger is wrongly modeled (the armor too). Why do I think that? I have never heard that the cupola was a weak spot IRL, and when it comes to the armor Michael Wittmans tank took 3 direct hits from a Sherman firefly which were just a few meters away and it failed to penetrate the armor. (There are other examples of Tigers surviving numerous hits as well.) When it comes to the Jumbo I have not seen any information.

[@烏托密斯·達]

It's because of bri'ish engineering "shell shattered"

[@rdraider11]

the reason why the cupola on the tiger wasn't a weakspot irl is because tank engagements rarely happened at the ranges in this video. at longer ranges (more realistic distances), it would be almost impossible for a ww2 tank crew to hit such a specific spot on a tank and it was far more reliable just to fire center mass rather than risk missing the tank entirely

[@BasTSLA]

Can you make a video, germany 1946, in the Berlin map, please? E-100 / 10.5 king tiger / panther 2 / king tiger sla 16 / maus / flakpanzer 341 / oswind II / ho 229 / me163 / ta 152 c3 / ar243 c-3 / me 262 c-2b / panther f / m 10 germany panther / strum tiger 🐅 These are a lot of late World War II stuff

[@noserman1226]

Can we get WW2 Half tracks vs wheeled vehicles muffin?

[@Gary_The_Metro]

idk man, what I'm seeing the tigers were largely just very clueless. In several moments someone got shot right next to them but they were too tunnel visioned to even react, giving the jumbo time to kill 2 to 3 before fire was even returned.

[@milonuno361]

I play both, oddly enough i have a much better time with all variations of the tiger than i do with the jumbo. But i do agree the jumbo is good when played correctly, but thats like saying the tiger E is good if angled correclty. Both are good but it reallt depeneds on the player. Ps. The jumbo 76 should not be at 6.3, should be 6.0 at max.

[@lafrasbecker6096]

The jumbo is an excellent CQB tank. The Tiger, you should always keep a distance, and very few make use of superior tactics.

[@entspannter-Held]

These two tanks never meet in real life

[@toucanman1372]

I recon jumbo is going to win cause of the bushed up jumbos

[@reactionare]

Yup tigers just got a bigger weakness overall bigger tracks bigger barrel and bigger cupola 3 weakness vs the jumbo one

[@sometripod5630]

Nobody really angled their tigers

[@IstiKos1234]

Nice nice

[@golemtv4817]

You should try this in Sim battles, then it won't be so easy to hit the Tigers barrels

[@4y7v10]

Next King tiger vs Jumbo 76

[@L_y_s_y]

Tiger was created for long range tank battles, jumbo was better on short range it was something like infantry heavy support tank but in long range jumbo gun was useless on Tiger front armor.

[@mikolajkowalski1220]

now do panther's vs jumbos ;)

[@geyrnauch]

I think it's less a tiger problem, but them German mains and their smoke...

[@Hatfieldfarms44]

Another one where I wanted to join

[@cptflyingfort7147]

If the Tiger H1 was replaced by the Tiger E, I think this match could have been slightly more balanced. I still think the Jumbos would win, but removing the cupola weakness would greatly help the Tigers, especially at close range.

[@TvPanzer]

Im in this video

[@russman3787]

The Jumbo has a very favorable matchup against the Tiger. I'm not surprised at all by the outcome. The Tiger's weak spots are much easier to hit, and much less prone to volumetric nonsense.

[@n1co2017]

what would probably be closer is Panther vs Jumbo

[@merafirewing6591]

M3 Lee and M4 Sherman and M6 Heavy Tank versus Modern Main Battle Tanks. Also why not throw in the M3 and M2 Stuart, the M26 Pershing, and also the dreaded M22 Locust.

[@teofilkompar3064]

Jumbo vs panther pls .

[@gamerboy7820]

Tiger only disadvantage is it’s amour which needs angle which only happens when u are aware of the enemy if ambush u are dead

[@gramergamer8696]

Here’s the weird thing for me at least i usually kill Jumbos pretty easily either with -3 shots, now there is the excuse im good with the Tiger and yes i am i killed 10 players by my self on the A point in the Swedish map and didn’t die once, Here’s the story if you want to ready now there was someone that followed me but died by a Tiger E, after killing 6 of them i had back up but at that time everyone was dead an we capture the A-Point, soon we continued until a bomb was drop one of us was killed, i was the farthest one (Tiger is a little slow in realistic) and didn’t get hit so i repaired my friends as they were very close and soon we continued, and found a tiger player, and he was good but died and then the other teammate died, and i took the kill, then the other teammate (A t-34-85) was killed by a Kv i think, can’t remember the replay is lost, and then i took the kill as he was reloading, and then my greedy ass thought 10/nuke = nuke so i well played as a plane, and had to J’ing to leave early as there was someone attacking me and it was another tiger but most are new players so easy kill, i not a new player i played for 1 and a half years as an American but i had an old account where i played since 2020-2021 but lost it so yeah, only recently i played as a the Germans

[@Hoang-88]

Haven’t watch the video yet but i’m 100% sure the jumpo win. I mean they don’t even have to angle or do anything at all, at long distance it’s not even a competition…

[@Gracefulwarrior2124]

Tbf the jumbo can't really angle because of the 38 mm plate where the tracks are.

[@sleepyhead758]

It sank like the Bismarck.

[@Marder_IFV]

6:18 i Believe thats me in the tiger :) Also me at 9:25 i believe and i was kinda trapped there was 2-3 jumbos where tonal was (including tonal)

[@oblivionpb7952]

For sure u were trapped. Put up a good fight tho

[@antonnilsson1705]

Panthers/Tigers vs T34/85

[@ratman3734]

Anyone like pickles?

[@Marder_IFV]

Yes

[@zirytowany9158]

the biggest problem with tigers is that almost every new player are chosing germany and they are not experienced

[@The_armed_Whale]

Char b1 vs Panzer IV When?

[@natanielnyholm8257]

Gaijin did the toger dirty

[@cerdic6867]

American mains need to stop whingeing about the jumbo and accept that it really is extremely overpowered and difficult to kill compared to any other tank at that BR.

[@mehniko1777]

Well just aim for the weakspots cupola, mgport under the mantlet and if the jumbo angles just shoot the tracks

[@joegramlich]

5.7 Jumbo really isn’t too bad if you play it like a medium. You certainly can’t play it like a heavy most of the time. But the 6.3 76 Jumbo?? Good lord that thing is pain. It’s extremely out of place at 6.3, it uses the same gun that’s on the goddamn 3.3 M10 GMC

[@sultansaba6496]

what did you expect from german mains

[@garrettknox5266]

Very fun but predictable. I wonder if bushing up the cupolas would have helped?

[@caralho5237]

Now do tigers vs m4a2 76 XD

[@StephenBaird-cp1fc]

Hitting the commanders cupola doesn't knock the tiger out it just kills the commander

[@hidhshsj123]

God I love my jumbos. You come across a German player and there brain can't comprehend they can't pen it it's funny to watch them except there fate

[@BurbankAviation]

I was a tiger player in this and I thought we all did bad

[@liamsmith6390]

A idea top tear AA VS top tear helicopters

[@liamsmith6390]

Well AA (s)

[@wyvernbravo]

Thi would have been better for the tiger If you didn't use the shit one, and used the E variant for it's smaller cupola

[@tigertuka9619]

Can u do the French AMR 35 vs the Italian l3’s

[@Renzonjay_YT]

but yea tigers are better than jumbos it’s just the player

[@reactionare]

Yes I agree but jumbos are just plain blinded op give them bushes and maxed out frontal armor the chance of penning the front is not just low it's border line impossible and a tiger is very hard to flank with it's noisy it's slower than the jumbo and has a bigger weak spot than the jumbo

[@megaaids2653]

@@reactionare how can you agree with him and then say the jumbo is OP? jumbo is the better tank

[@reconzero5699]

​@@megaaids2653he's afraid to argue with a jumbo main

[@reactionare]

@@megaaids2653 I still consider the tiger better tank for middle and long range you just have to be a better shot also I can think a tank is OP but consider one stronger than it not being OP

[@Samurai-nn4sb]

Finally someone said it

[@brayanorozco2781]

4 in a row😮 impossible

[@Progress_or_Barbarism]

Battle of machingun ports.

[@catmus-]

Tiger is way better, I have experience in Germany up to 7.7 and killing jumbos and jumbos 76 alike are way too easy even with bushes as they have 2 bulging weak spots with a terrible gun (jumbo 75) meanwhile tiger h1 has only 1 weakspot with an amazing gun for its tier while supported with 100 mm angled armor. It's clear who is better.

[@AlmiranteScorpion]

La cupula del comandante es el punto debil del tiger, algo que me puso triste cuando lo descubri

[@ireallycant4416]

do jumbo 76 vs tiger

[@paulosergioaraujocosta8987]

Video montagem em todos os sentidos

[@brandonpropterhoc]

I seem to die very easily in my jumbo... but i take a while to die in my tiger...

[@ZombieRush22579]

I think German players are just generally more clueless. They had no idea they were being flanked, or how to angle, or where to sit to take advantage of their better guns. And this is from experience, as I’m also a German player, and have played with plenty of clowns

[@rudatkatzn9171]

The Main problem, as someone who participated, was being attacked by a Tank you could only damage at one single point. In exchange, their APCR allowed them to pen you everywhere

[@ZombieRush22579]

@@rudatkatzn9171 That's what angling is for. And doesn't the Tiger H get APCR as well? Or maybe that's just the Tiger E

[@jonathonspears7736]

Tiger 2 vs T26E5

[@Green-ader]

The 75mm has 104mm of pen not 100

[@s.denhartog52]

On paper the tiger should win easily but in practice the german players aren't often the smartest. I my self was a tiger player, i wasn't a genius but if you cover up the coupola and angel right there is a small change you get killed

[@Lucasisbetter-mx6gi]

It should have been no decals

[@Leö1A5]

Jumbo 76 vs tiger 2 not p

[@themerc123]

this didnt show case jumbo vs tiger, it show cased german players and why every american tank is completely over tiered. jumbo arent hard to kill, you have to fight them the same was the jumbo fights the tiger and almost no one in this game did that, just alot of shooting in the direction of the jumbo and hoping for the best.

[@Gary_The_Metro]

Are some American tanks overtiered? Yes. Is the jumbo 75? No. While it has a weak gun, it is still a very good tank if used by someone that is mildly competent. However making people in PZ IV's and T-34's and KV-1's face a jumbo would be downright unfair. Just as unfair as making a 76 jumbo face IS-3's.

[@Leonkilsyou]

Many Wehraboo cried that day